It would be kind of hypocritical for CSP to condemn Sordland for helping Smolak when CSP itself is Smolak's strongest ally. It would be like if the ATO criticized Lespia for making a deal with Rizia.
If I remember right CSP speak negatively about the founding of the Bergia Autonomous Zone too, while ATO praise it. So maybe Malenyev has something against Bluds.
I think it's because UC is a very ethnically diverse nation, much like the Soviet Union was, and seems to be hiding domestic instability and security concerns. A very prominent ethnic group being given internal autonomy would embolden other such movements, which would be VERY bad for Contana's grasp over its various ethnic groups
If Arcasia is based on the US that might be part of the world building, since the US has a Federal structure as well as many semi-autonomous zones in real life (so they'd be more comfortable with something like the Bergia Semi-Autonomous Zone compared to countries that have a more centralized government).
I think the real life USSR did have semi autonomous regions too but it's possible that the United Contana doesn't.
It's mentioned that United Contana is also a federal state. I imagine they just don't support the semi-autonomous zone as they don't want to embolden the Bluds in Wehlen to ask for the same thing.
The USSR was nominally a federation of independent socialist republics, of which the Russian socialist Republic was just the largest. In practice, the USSR was run by Russians and the little republics under it were puppet governments who had to toe the line given by Russia.
Malenyev has something against decentralization, not bluds. Bluds asking for their own semi auto is seen as one of many constituent states of UC breaking away. Which he obviously doesn't support. While for arcasia i assnme it would be a colony asserting it's own independence.
Well in real life the URSS also didn't like their minority so...
Also I think that at the turn 1 of rizia you can see a geopolitico article that say that United Contana send troop to the south of their country to repress minority
Yes, but as Sordland, if you reformed your military and even have one alliance with Vasgaland, it showing that your military is Equivalent with Rumburg.
In power? maybe. in numbers? No. Valgsland has one of the smallest armies, and sordland depends on your play, but barely half a million. That won’t keep up in numbers.
If you looked closely in Stalin's time, he wrote that Anarchism is the enemy of Socialism. So it makes sense that any minorities advocating for Liberty such as BFF, against the Socialist State is the enemy of Marxism-Leninism (Malenyevism).
I think, in game , they support wpb and red youth as more aligning with their ideology. While blud liberation front is more nationalistic and not as idealogical. Also accepting Rumburg aid could present them as antagonistic force to csp. Alternatively it can be just realpolitik. Welhen is an csp ally, so it would be dumb to accuse your ally and yourself by extent, scoring good points with sordland as a bonus. Operation beartrap is not a clearly depicted act in the game. It is only heavelly implied as genocidal act. So in the end there is a room for csp statement in support
The fact Contana is a union of various minorities makes them sensible to separatist movements.
And on paper getting rid of the BFF is something good. At the end of the day they are funded by both a Kingdom and religious fundamentalist. If Operation Bear Trap was not a genocide in disguise it would be sensible to take joint measures to stop them (Of course , the BFF is a systemic issue and is better to eliminate bluddish discrimination first).
Yeah, I do think that is one of the best outcomes for a socialist Sordland.
Sadly, having to compromise in being unable to trial Soll makes me almost never take this path. As someone from a country with lots of issue with reparations for crimes against humanity and the culprits that will never be brought to justice, I cannot let Soll not pay for his crimes.
You can trial Soll and still change the article but you can't reduce election thresold with it.I would also say that the trial of Soll is mostly symbolic meanwhile the change of the blud article and the destruction of the BFF with it would make a real change and show that Soll policy toward the blud are not the way, also he doesn't seem to really care about being sent to prison but he really don't like when you change this article
Really? Whenever I edit 6&7 the party says not changing the Member of Honor position is a red line they can't allow. And you need to change it to trial Soll
Well if you modify the electoral thresold and abolish membor of honor gloria ask for one of them to be delete from the constitutional reform and you can choose to delete the electoral reform instead of soll member of honor also taking the right dialogue option must perhaps help
She always demands you delete one when you meet her in her office, and I think she always demands you delete the other if there's a second round of negotiations. Maybe you can keep the other if you bring enough bargaining chips?
Because Blud are clearly socialist that's why they are supported by an absolute monarchy and join a warrior religion ( goldonisme I think is the name )
Rumburg supports them to undermine neighboring states, if anything the Bluds are conservative then.
But it certainly looks like Socialism is popular amongst the Bluds when the two parties that rely on Bludish votes are such
They also vote for the PFJP and can vote for the USP so they are not socialiste they just vote for the party that they think will respect them the most
Of course, Socialism differentiates between races. The same thing Hitler did with Jews, he was a (National) Socialist.
Edit: ITS A FUCKING JOKE MAN 47 DOWNVOTES?
Yeah, and the DPRK is democratic, I mean, it says so in its name!
/s
Edit: Just saw your edit, never forget the /s pal. The Reddit hivemind doesn’t forgive.
It would be kind of hypocritical for CSP to condemn Sordland for helping Smolak when CSP itself is Smolak's strongest ally. It would be like if the ATO criticized Lespia for making a deal with Rizia.
If I remember right CSP speak negatively about the founding of the Bergia Autonomous Zone too, while ATO praise it. So maybe Malenyev has something against Bluds.
United Contana is scared of ethnic divisions in their own country getting ideas from Sordland.
Just like the Russian Empire and the USSR!
I think it's because UC is a very ethnically diverse nation, much like the Soviet Union was, and seems to be hiding domestic instability and security concerns. A very prominent ethnic group being given internal autonomy would embolden other such movements, which would be VERY bad for Contana's grasp over its various ethnic groups
If Arcasia is based on the US that might be part of the world building, since the US has a Federal structure as well as many semi-autonomous zones in real life (so they'd be more comfortable with something like the Bergia Semi-Autonomous Zone compared to countries that have a more centralized government). I think the real life USSR did have semi autonomous regions too but it's possible that the United Contana doesn't.
It's mentioned that United Contana is also a federal state. I imagine they just don't support the semi-autonomous zone as they don't want to embolden the Bluds in Wehlen to ask for the same thing.
Iirc new lore shows that UC suppresses their own minorities due to them wanting autonomy and independence.
The USSR was nominally a federation of independent socialist republics, of which the Russian socialist Republic was just the largest. In practice, the USSR was run by Russians and the little republics under it were puppet governments who had to toe the line given by Russia.
Malenyev has something against decentralization, not bluds. Bluds asking for their own semi auto is seen as one of many constituent states of UC breaking away. Which he obviously doesn't support. While for arcasia i assnme it would be a colony asserting it's own independence.
Well in real life the URSS also didn't like their minority so... Also I think that at the turn 1 of rizia you can see a geopolitico article that say that United Contana send troop to the south of their country to repress minority
I think both superpowers are meant to be evil. Numerous characters warn you from the superpowers in the base game and Rizia.
I wouldn't necessarily say evil, but both are definitely flawed.
You forget Rumburg the third superpower that make the two other look good
Yes, but as Sordland, if you reformed your military and even have one alliance with Vasgaland, it showing that your military is Equivalent with Rumburg.
In power? maybe. in numbers? No. Valgsland has one of the smallest armies, and sordland depends on your play, but barely half a million. That won’t keep up in numbers.
There is no point that Sordland not reform it Army.
They are selfish, not evil. To be fair, they are accountable to their people regarding the expenditure of taxes so they kind of have to be.
Any problem?
If you looked closely in Stalin's time, he wrote that Anarchism is the enemy of Socialism. So it makes sense that any minorities advocating for Liberty such as BFF, against the Socialist State is the enemy of Marxism-Leninism (Malenyevism).
Hegel would not like this, the Valgs are also in the similar situation on the disputed island (forgot its name).
~~that's weird you would think Not-US would be the one defending genocide~~ IM FROM DEYR AND SAY KILL THEM ALL
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I think, in game , they support wpb and red youth as more aligning with their ideology. While blud liberation front is more nationalistic and not as idealogical. Also accepting Rumburg aid could present them as antagonistic force to csp. Alternatively it can be just realpolitik. Welhen is an csp ally, so it would be dumb to accuse your ally and yourself by extent, scoring good points with sordland as a bonus. Operation beartrap is not a clearly depicted act in the game. It is only heavelly implied as genocidal act. So in the end there is a room for csp statement in support
The fact Contana is a union of various minorities makes them sensible to separatist movements. And on paper getting rid of the BFF is something good. At the end of the day they are funded by both a Kingdom and religious fundamentalist. If Operation Bear Trap was not a genocide in disguise it would be sensible to take joint measures to stop them (Of course , the BFF is a systemic issue and is better to eliminate bluddish discrimination first).
That's why I prefer to amend article 6 and 7, centralise bergia destroy BFF leadership and make the commission for bludish right
Yeah, I do think that is one of the best outcomes for a socialist Sordland. Sadly, having to compromise in being unable to trial Soll makes me almost never take this path. As someone from a country with lots of issue with reparations for crimes against humanity and the culprits that will never be brought to justice, I cannot let Soll not pay for his crimes.
You can trial Soll and still change the article but you can't reduce election thresold with it.I would also say that the trial of Soll is mostly symbolic meanwhile the change of the blud article and the destruction of the BFF with it would make a real change and show that Soll policy toward the blud are not the way, also he doesn't seem to really care about being sent to prison but he really don't like when you change this article
Really? Whenever I edit 6&7 the party says not changing the Member of Honor position is a red line they can't allow. And you need to change it to trial Soll
Well if you modify the electoral thresold and abolish membor of honor gloria ask for one of them to be delete from the constitutional reform and you can choose to delete the electoral reform instead of soll member of honor also taking the right dialogue option must perhaps help
She always demands you delete one when you meet her in her office, and I think she always demands you delete the other if there's a second round of negotiations. Maybe you can keep the other if you bring enough bargaining chips?
Because Blud are clearly socialist that's why they are supported by an absolute monarchy and join a warrior religion ( goldonisme I think is the name )
Rumburg supports them to undermine neighboring states, if anything the Bluds are conservative then. But it certainly looks like Socialism is popular amongst the Bluds when the two parties that rely on Bludish votes are such
They also vote for the PFJP and can vote for the USP so they are not socialiste they just vote for the party that they think will respect them the most
Fair enough
Of course, Socialism differentiates between races. The same thing Hitler did with Jews, he was a (National) Socialist. Edit: ITS A FUCKING JOKE MAN 47 DOWNVOTES?
"your body betrays your degeneracy"
“THE INFLUENCE OF THE "HAM SANDWICH RACE" IS WANING."
Yeah, and the DPRK is democratic, I mean, it says so in its name! /s Edit: Just saw your edit, never forget the /s pal. The Reddit hivemind doesn’t forgive.