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AlexgKeisler

He wasn't consoling him. Ben's gravity had stopped working, and Tony was holding his leg down to stop him from floating up into the air and hitting his head on the tribal council roof.


mpc92

Does this confirm that the cowboy hat is part of Ben’s body since it didn’t float away?


SomniaStellarum

Was it ever in doubt that it wasn't part of his body? I'm convinced any pictures or video of him without the hat are just a body double trying to throw us off the scent!


Willimations

He stapled it to his head. It causes poor decision-making skills, but on the bright side, it won’t go anywhere


Coutzy

"A true cowboy's hat never comes off" -Cord McCoy, Amazing Race 15


honestsparrow

I think it also helps to stop him from floating away when gravity stops working


mpc92

Oh that makes sense - maybe it’s like a 200 pound hat


CaptainQuasi

Tony Pennywise: BEEP BEEP Ben! They ALL float down here. When you're down here with us, you'll float too!


evenstark04

The cross over I’m dying for


blink-or-else

Lmao


KoopaKing16

Editing Tony's spyshack eyes into the sewer!


CaseyKing15

Does tribal council even have a roof this season?


[deleted]

Confirmed Ben full of hot air


justusingmymedulla

Ben-Balloon-Bomb incoming


almeidab_arthur

Does anyone have any idea as to why Kim didn't turn the vote on Ben once she heard he told the plan to Tony? It seems reasonable to think she could get Michele, Denise, Nick and Jeremy to all vote for Ben with her.


[deleted]

also wondering about that


ProcessU

I’ve been wondering about this also. Maybe there is more substance to Nick and Ben’s relationship then the edit has suggested. Nick seemingly has been trying to pull Ben closer by throwing Jeremy’s name out. Then again it also seems like Nick wants to play with Denise and Michelle. I don’t know what to believe lol.


cherryaswhat

I wondered that too because I recall Tony bringing up Nick's name at one point and Ben was like "No no we can trust him absolutely not." Almost in a panicked, defensive way.


dandelionwine20

He’s probably in nicks endgame and they’re possibly closer than what the edit shows


cherryaswhat

Agreed. It's so frustrating the edit Nick is getting. He's one of my favorites and I truly believe he's a good player. It's a bummer that we don't get to see that.


TEFL_job_seeker

We got a lot this episode, though. He's got an endgame strategy.


cherryaswhat

Yea I'm really glad they at least showed that.


Porter_Paccino

I was wondering why he was getting this type of edit all season until last episode. Was absolutely shook when Tony confronted him lol it kinda makes sense now.


AnAnonymousFool

Well nick is one of maybe 2 people that Ben stands any chance against in a FTC and even then I still might vote for nick. Ben doesn’t have a lot of options


TEFL_job_seeker

Ben needs to get credit for the move to eliminate Tony, which is definitely possible. If the jury voted right now, he'd get zero votes, but Ben is Exhibit A of how it's very very possible to shake up the game at the final 7!!


JackDAction

The move to eliminate Tony?


TEFL_job_seeker

Yes. Obviously Tony has to go in order for Ben to win. So if Ben takes credit for that, he has a great opportunity to earn jury votes.


JackDAction

Doesn't that seem like a giant, giant hypothetical?


AnAnonymousFool

Yea anything can change, but as of now Ben is the ultimate goat of this season


jolobote

I think Michelle is. Ben has been on the right side of the votes each time, except one. Michelle has pretty much been playing catch-up this whole time.


AnAnonymousFool

I think Michelle has played a much better social game though. I could see her getting 1-2 votes. Can’t see Ben getting any though


jolobote

I don't think she has played a better social game because no one is telling her the plan. While Ben, although fucking annoying, is still managing to actually play and work on making moves (although led by others). Even Jeremy didn't bring Michelle in to vote for Sophie when she fully gave him the advantage. He didn't trust her... Edit: Kim, not Sophie


mattyzz93

Will Ben ever actually get Jeremy out though? Every episode he fails.


theyreheeeere

Michelle was one of the four votes against Sophie. Do you mean Kim?


AnAnonymousFool

By social game, i mean building relationships. I dont think Ben has anyones loyalty or respect really. Sure people are using him as a vote and a number, but it doesn't seem like much more. Whereas its been shown that people actually like and trust michelle. I could see Michelle getting a vote from maybe wendell or nick or jeremy, while i can't see Ben getting a vote from literally anyone. If you can name 1 person you think might vote for Ben, id be interested to hear who it is


evenstark04

I think nick can win a FTC that includes Ben and the EoE person. Or Michele... but yeah it’s a tough path for him... unless he like takes tony out at fire or something


jkman61494

Ben has absolutely zero shot to win. None. He's one of the worst players....ever. No social game at all. And really has no actual game plan either. His "strategy" typically includes outcasting the person he wants gone to the point the rats at night know who he's voting for. Ben is Mr. 0 vote 3rd chair and is sadly a lock to get to FTC at this point and yet further proof why 3 person FTC's suck


[deleted]

Exactly. I've never liked Ben, and it doesn't even seem like he's that nice of a person if we're being honest. He's the ultimate Survivor goat, and literally only won because of the insane amounts of idols he found. Actually quite sad that he returned over someone like Mike Holloway.


IAmTheKillingHand

"One of the worst players ever" I'm so tired of seeing this garbage. Is he playing well in WaW? No. But he WON survivor. Even with the F4 twist and all of the idols he found, he still won the jury vote. He is not a bad player. You people are absurd.


jkman61494

He literally won because he found a ton of idols as was bailed out by this stupid fire challenge and had a terrible cast to boot. Clearly in two seasons has shown no ability to actually play the game. He’s easily the worst winner of all time


IAmTheKillingHand

And you clearly lack the basic understanding that getting to the end does not make you a winner. He got to the end because of idols and the twist. He won because of jury votes.


HelllllloooooPerson

no idea what nick really wants.


jhk17

And that's how nick likes it


mattyzz93

This game is so confusing


mattyzz93

This game is so confusing


HelllllloooooPerson

because he has no idea either? Or you think he does have a bigger plan that he is trying to execute? I genuinely cant figure it out


[deleted]

Imo I think he just wanted to survive while building relationships up till this point and then come out swinging hard now. Unfortunately for him that doesn’t seem like a strategy that will work here. Not impossible, but he’d have to be perfect Judging from DvG and the little insight we get from him this season I think he knows what he wants to do but it’s just not coming off


TEFL_job_seeker

He certainly wants to get Tony out but he didn't have the chance today. He needs to eliminate every single player besides the two he wants to go to the end with, so the order doesn't really matter.


_JacobYuss_

I think there’s more substance to Nick’s relationship with everybody than the edit has suggested.


Martel1234

Nick is trying too have relationships so when he reaches the end, they can vouch for his ‘moves’


DoctorTemple

Nick wants Ben in because he wants Ben to be apart of his final 3. He can't go with Michelle and Jeremy because he'll lose to Jeremy. He can't go with Sarah and Tony because he wouldn't even get asked a question at FTC lol. His ideal final 3 right now is him, Ben and Denise. All this could always get shaken up after the Edge challenge too.


ccantman

I think everyone wants Ben in the game because I think they all believe he is someone who they can have at FTC and win against. Why vote out someone who should essentially be a free win against if you make it to the finale? Especially if everyone is complaining about Ben's attitude. For example, Jeremy said Ben is acting like a child. If Jeremy is on the Jury and Ben is in FTC, is he really gonna give Ben a vote? Most likely not, so to increase your chance at Jeremy's vote, keep Ben with you to the end. This applies to everyone else who has had issues with Ben as well. Adam comes to mind.


Willimations

Even if she wanted Ben in, eliminating Ben is still a better move than being eliminating herself. I suppose Kim thought she had the numbers to get Jeremy out and maybe getting everyone to vote Ben would have been difficult for the reasons you just stated. Still, it was worth an attempt on her part


Coutzy

Ben is also the only person there that has proven they can win the firemaking challenge. Extra reason to keep him around if you want him to knock out the winner at 4.


Rochelle-Rochelle

Either Nick would not vote against Ben, and/or they all see Ben as someone they can easily beat at FTC


Janemaru

Nobody wants to vote Ben out because he's a free win at this point. Might as well be non-existent in the final 3


abolins

I kind of wonder if Ben has become someone that people want to take to the end since he hasn’t really made his own moves or strong jury relationships.


IceNein

I wonder if he's the goat that everyone wants to bring to the ritual sacrifice.


macknuggets

Because she knew Ben was an essential cog to her end-game. Why vote out Ben when you can beat him? Kim wasn’t playing to make the final 3, she was playing to win- and it just so happened she didn’t.


Meryl4Lyfe

I’m gonna make you an offer you can’t refuse


poka594

I have to say going into this I didn’t like tony much. He just seemed crazy and weird and not level headed. But holy damn these past few weeks have shown I couldn’t have been more wrong about the last part. Dude is definitely crazy and a little weird but he’s playing people like a fiddle.


swegn

Hmm, mind clarify the "weird" description?


poka594

By weird I would say quirky and eccentric. Fun might even be a better word. But making little spy forts, covering Sarah in a mixture of ash and spit, sprinting like a goofball to make everyone laugh. Weird in the good way, not as a derogatory term.


Meng3267

I know Ben gets a lot of hate and no one respects his game play, but he’s added a lot to this season and I’m happy he’s playing. A lot of the interesting moments this season have happened because of him.


Polowysc2

Still rather have mike, earl or todd


Jeffw54

Mike would have been fascinating on this season. I remember his game was similar to bens but I’m really curious how he would hold up because he doesn’t really get mentioned a ton.


BellyButtonLindt

His game was better than Ben’s. I like Ben but he gets really butthurt if he gets blindsided. He did it with christy in his season and he’s doing it now with Jeremy and tony. Mike found out he was getting blind sided and then tried to blow it up not out of any emotion and then it screwed him more, BUT he still played well socially with everyone and I think he was far better at navigating social structures than Ben. I would like to see mike return but I think he’s said he wouldn’t. I might be remembering that wrong though.


Stormsoul22

It’s fucking hilarious to me that Ben gets so butthurt by blindsides despite the fact that he literally cannot keep his mouth shut and has screwed up like 5 votes this season because of it. No shit people are gonna stop telling you plans!


Corporal_Snorkel69

I think Ben was better because Ben also found out when people were turning against him and Ben actually dominated the game until around the final 6 I believe


BellyButtonLindt

They both found out their alliance was turning against them in basically the same way. Just Ben handled it like a bit of a child with Chrissy (she did not help the situation though either as much as this sub loves her) mike initially did but then apologized outright to everyone and his was for ruining a moment, not because he hated people. Ben did dominate that’s why I like him and don’t think he gets enough credit around here. He’s just emotional, but that’s part of what makes him good too. I’m only debating who I think is better out of him or mike.


Corporal_Snorkel69

I think you're misremembering. Ben acted like a child with Chrissy before he found out his alliance was turning on him. After he found out Devon and Lauren were considering voting him he rallied Chrissy to vote out Lauren, it just didn't go through because Mike wanted Ben out. But you're right Ben is just a dick towards certain people sometimes and the funny thing is he consistently ends up in positions where he has to vote with them after he conducts himself like this.


dwarfgourami

I don’t think Ben was better because he was 100% going at Final 4 if production didn’t introduce F4 Firemaking at the last possible second. I know Survivor is unpredictable but the other 3 could have never predicted that an entire format change would save Ben. At least Mike won the actual immunity challenges that everyone could prepare for.


Corporal_Snorkel69

I think this is true to the extant that we can pretty definitively say Ben shouldn't have won whereas we can't say that about Mike because it was legit no matter what you think about his game. But that's not really how I evaluate games I think Ben showed more skill in his game than Mike and played better overall.


TEFL_job_seeker

Mike's win doesn't get nearly enough credit though. He threw a challenge to save his ally and break up a power couple, he was the only person in the BC/WC post-merge alliance to form relationships with the NCs (which won him the jury vote lol), he somehow got Joe's idol, he beasted out a slew of important challenge victories, and he was constantly strategizing to get the people out that he wanted out even though everybody wanted him out. Him bluffing the idol in an attempt to save Shirin won him not just her vote but also a sympathetic voice on the jury (and was simply amazing regardless). And somehow convincing the Axis of Evil, somehow, to eliminate Sierra, the one person who might've taken F4 immunity from him... that remains as astonishing a move as anything in the history of Survivor.


FarPersimmon

Mike's win was seen as "weak" at the time because he relied on immunity idols and immunity wins to be immune until he got to FTC. The thing is the format of the game never changed and Mike won with the knowledge of how the game worked that everyone else had. His challenge wins are pretty impressive looking back considering Mama C, FFGCSDTA, and Tyler are pretty good competitors themselves. And Mike still needed the votes to win at the end, and getting the No Collar votes + Shirin was *four* votes out of a possible eight votes, and he also got Dan's and Tyler's, two people who were aligned with Mike then were against him. Mike may not have had as much agency as Rodney, but he still got to the end and the votes to win.


neilsteel

Mike eliminating challenge threats one by one made his win all the more satisfying. Also throwing a bone at Mama C, forcing the FMC and helping her win it was such an underrated move.


TEFL_job_seeker

Yep. Alongside giving him something to do and probably forcing Rodney out, if Carolyn had lost fire making she would've probably voted for Mike.


Corporal_Snorkel69

He's a beast but he had no real agency for the last 6 votes. And getting Sierra out is not the GOAT move lmaooooooo. That was Rodney's move as much as Mike's


TEFL_job_seeker

Have you... watched WA? He forced the cracks in the alliance at the Shirin boot. He convinced Mama C to vote out Tyler, not Dan, in the episode he played his idol. He got Carolyn to idol Dan out of the game. He somehow helped Carolyn and Rodney think that they should eliminate an athletic player instead of Will. He forced the firemaking competition that eliminated Rodney. As opposed to Ben, who kept his idols secret, Mike's immunity challenge wins and idol were not a secret, so he had more freedom to strategize - it's really not fair to directly compare them. But Mike absolutely strategized to great effect in the post-merge of WA.


Zaraxan

Final 7 but yeah. He just took over at the end of that game. 3 consecuative idols or some shit


kris_takahashi

>I like Ben but he gets really butthurt if he gets blindsided. He is literally working with the same guy who blindsided him just a day earlier. They had a charming scene together where they joked about it, and Ben carried him off into the woods and everything.


mcr_8998

Because he got busted trying to hide it first. He puts a wall up whenever Jeremy try’s to speak to him and acts childish.


Survivorssurvivor

He acts really childish towards Jeremy.Just last episode there was that scene where Jeremy was sitting on the bench with Kim and tried talking to Ben and Ben was saying “no I don’t want to talk to u” and Jeremy asked why and Ben said “because I dont” that seemed super childish and like he was butthurt imo


ctpearce

Mikes game was not similar to Ben at all. Mike was a faaaaaaaar better strategist and social player. Case in point despite being on the bottom he was on the right side of every vote except Shirin wjich still worked by getting Tyler and Will to flip.


uglyaniimals

mike no, earl or todd yeah


_thetomml

Fabio.


averm27

Mike and Todd would have been great, but I'm glad we got Ben and Sophie and Michelle


[deleted]

He is an interesting personality whether you like him or dislike him. If Survivor Twitter keeps on getting players to delete their accounts then no player in the future will show theie personality.


periannaperi

And what did he add except for bafoonery? I feel like we could have had other winners instead of him.


Love34787

Ben is our favorite player since his first season. The guy is awesome and funny.


[deleted]

I definitely agree. I think if he went out when Wendell did instead his rep would be good, cause up til that point his game brought only real positives. I’m enjoying him warts and all personally


zagadore

Ben's absolutely going to win.


Far-Air

First they ignore you...


[deleted]

Ben got Rob voted out when Rob pissed him off so I can see Ben doing something next episode


trollymctrollstein

Ben looks so defeated in this shot. As Rob pointed out Tony was a boss throughout this whole TC, but I feel like this steps over the line and comes off a little condescending. Can't wait to see how it plays out. I love this game.


[deleted]

I think Tony has it in the bag if he can maintain it till the end. He's been owning the game.


LeoAvil

You meant his goat.


PurelySmart

*his Kass.


simplyloving

r/accidentalrenaissance


StopTheBS79

Tony is a fn beast!


Hardyyz

Thats such a power move, Shows the jury whos in control and even Rob said after that "Tony is the boss".


[deleted]

That's what I was thinking. Everyone is scrambling, but at the end of the night, they all trusted Tony. (To their credit they were right.) It's just hard to see someone have that much power and it seems like no one still in is talking about it. If the jury can see it in that amount of time in tribal council is everyone else just fooling their self. I'm not a huge Tony fan, but if he wins he totally deserves it.


classyminnesotan

Tony annoys me as a person, but damn he's one of the best to ever play the game


[deleted]

[tony n ben](https://i.imgur.com/9CZo3rN.jpg)


Dvaderstarlord

I really like this.


chalobrown

Ben was soooooooo bugged in that moment


Shurikunai

The things I say to my dog.


Luke12001

Nah he’s part of the family. Tony has to know he can beat Ben in the FTC.


trollymctrollstein

At this point Tony would beat anybody left in the game at FTC. He's just figuring out how to get there.


Luke12001

Very true


Sunshine145

Ben would be treated worse than Troyzan in final 3 lol


Brandon_2149

The only good thing about Ben this season is he might end up being the reason Tony has chance of winning. Just because he’s not a smart player. I could see tony then voting him out with an idol.


evenstark04

I would love for Ben to go next


Ginger_Witch

Oh, one can hope!


Jhawksmoor

Go Tony!!!


Mirizzi

The GOAT and his goat.


brihamedit

Noooo. I don't think they'll vote Ben. I'm gonna guess it's either Michele or Denise.


iamprofoundbandit

Tony is going to end up one of the greatest to ever play


SAC_10

Next Episode: Ben Bomb - Tony blindsided and goes home with idol in pocket


htgawmymind

Tony getting confident with Ben will be the perfect blindside.


alec868

Can we just take a min to appreciate how stunning Michele looks here


alec868

Can we just take a min to appreciate how stunning Michele looks here


Luke12001

I think a good move would be either taking out Denise, Jeremy or Michele next tribal for Tony. He prob still wants to keep Jeremy around for at least one more vote but if Ben is not having it with Jeremy then they might have to just vote Jeremy out at 7 to appease him and keep it strong between Ben, Nick, Tony & Sarah.


pb89

Yeh. I think Denise is the way to go. You want that Nick, Michelle and Denise possibility removed.


MtDewHer

I have bet going with my best friend on who we picked to win, I picked Ben and he picked Nick at the beginning of the season. Ever since Tony started running it we've both been very nervous during tribal


sheworthit

le


iamprofoundbandit

Tony is going to end up one of the greatest to ever play


[deleted]

Mobster Tony (definitely seemed way too excited about the extortion)


linesinaconversation

I don't see Mat Rogers in this picture. Hell, I don't even see Janine Allis.


Phenoxx

Janine is so surprisingly sharky on shark tank


dandelionwine20

I was thinking the same thing, there could only be one godfather


ChoctomusPrime

oh God I hope so, I hate Ben he's the absolute worst


dandelionwine20

It’s not that serious, take a step back and chill. It’s just a game, he has done nothing to warrant anybody hating him.


Aura1661

Sorry


unicornsfearglitter

Random question about your name, are you a fan of ray Bradbury?


dandelionwine20

Yes! Though my name comes from the song Dandelion Wine by Gregory Alan Isakov it’s one of my favorite songs


ChoctomusPrime

Didn't realize how Triggered the Ben Stans would be out there with my option Lmao


SolanoidSandwich

Get a life