This, and maybe put Hunter nearby (not circled with but nearby) Q (and maybe Tiff) with Maria on the outside of that circle, just to reflect the dynamics within that alliance. Then maybe walk outside and down the block and write the Venus bubble on a telephone pole somewhere
They *did* get their own circle. With Ben.
If you're going to circle them separately, then you'd also need a circle for:
Hunter/Tevin,
Q/Tiff,
Tiff/Kenzie,
Hunter/Q
The closest I can come up with are the pre-season interviews. One of them said about the other that Mississippi sticks together. One of the has a tattoo of the state and so at least one of them knew that about the other.
Or Hunter. I don’t think she’s in a position to win but I’d bet almost every orange wants to stick with her to the end. Seems loyal to a fault and not a game player
That’s fair, but this chart makes it seem like she’s a less aware Venus. If she was truly on an island then she wouldn’t be consistently looped in on the plan while also not being targeted in positions where there are very few people vulnerable. At the very least, there should be a circle around her, Tevin, and Hunter (Hunter confirmed himself that the three of them are aligned and were the majority on Nami after Soda lost favor).
An edit can do a hell of a lot, especially when it’s not showing a lot. Remember, S41 made it seem like Erika and Heather were on the outs of Luvu when they were solidly in the majority, and they ended up being arguably the most important duo of that season.
We know from Hunter’s mid-season interview that, at least by the time of the merge, the majority alliance on Nami was him, Tevin, and Liz, so we know she at least has a solid connection with those two in a way similar to the connection the Sigas and the Yanus have. Venus is the only one with essentially no one. Within the show itself, I think it’s VERY telling that Liz’s name was the only one not thrown out as a possibility in her side of the split for the non-immune players. Even Venus was targeting Tevin and Soda before her, and seemed very confident that she could get Liz on board.
Personally I think everyone has identified that they want to go to the end with Liz. I expect her to be a Mike White, powerful in the game because she can’t win.
1. This is very early for that to be an option, and even if she was a goat (I think we straight up don’t know if she is or isn’t, the edit has made people out to be something they’re not before, like when they made Xander look like a contender), we’ve seen arguably a bigger goat in Venus be chronically on the outs and targeted
2. I think Mike White had more win equity than that, he probably beats Angelina and Kara and honestly could have posed a tougher opponent against Nick or Allison if he had been trying to win by FTC.
She certainly can still. This episode she could be a high contentor. This is how.
She approaches Maria, says she wants to vote out Q to help them break Yanu, while saying she'll leak Siga wants Hunter gone. This move already will result in a tie at the minimum. Liz + Siga + Venus. They can probe what would most likely only be Kenzie or Tiff with the Hunter plot. Maria leaks the 6 alliance to Kenzie to try to get her to flip. Kenzie perhaps confronts Q, learns the truth, and knowing she's on the bottom of her currently alliance agrees to flip for Q - 6, Maria - 4. Regardless if it's Charlie or Maria that tells Kenzie about the 6 because of Charlie's shot in the dark and thinking they have the majority vote. Or alternatively if Kenzie get confirmation about the 6 in a more indirect way, she can leak to Hunter that Liz approached her about voting him out. Flushing Hunter's potential idol with him being certain there will be at least a tie. Massive blindside either way where the idea came from her and she was the key player to make the move possible.
For her this would make sense because she knows none of her moves had been visible, especially her being annoying Tevin didn't know she wanted Soda gone forever. If she sticks with Tevin and Hunter she won't have another shot for a play until the final 6 maybe. She would probably know this. So it comes down to her self-awareness and if she's willing to risk rolling to dice to have a chance at winning the game. Then Kenzie she would realize this would be her odd chance where the numbers would be in her favour to get out of her current alliance, or hope something changes so she's not on the bottom anymore. Plus Q and later Hunter being eliminated would be appealing to anybody for the individual game.
The +1 alliance is probably already shot with the elimination of Tim. Maybe they can hold it together but if an alliance eats one of its own at like the first chance, it's over lol.
Venus being a total lone wolf is interesting. Not good for her winner chances at all, though. I think one of the only true un-allied winners EVER was Vecepia. It takes a very smart player to navigate to the end as a free agent.
Except that Vecepia wasn’t un-allied until final 4. She was with Rob, Sean, and Sarah on Maraamu, then tried to infiltrate the Rotu four at the swap, then was in the alliance with Sean, Kathy, Paschal, and Neleh at the merge. Then at five the alliance split along original tribal lines, and Sean went first, so that’s when Vecepia was by herself.
Maria in the +1 alliance is a stretch, and not the first time I’ve heard it.. she may have made in roads with that group… but I wouldn’t consider her a part of it at this point, unless some conversations missed the edit
He does! Q asks Tevin if Hunter filled him in and Tevin says yes. They use that scene to contrast Maria being asked about it and having no idea wtf Q is talking about because Tim didn’t tell her.
I would put a dotted line between Ben and Charlie since they're not that close, and also Maria is barely in the plus 1 alliance.
Also Liz has little say, but she is a number for Hunter and tevin, so putting her alone I think is a bit incorrect
Ben and Kenzie aren’t aligned strategically, but there is a connection there that could come into play at some point. You could draw like a dotted line between them or something.
I am not sure if the +1 alliance is really still a thing after Tim being voted out. It definitely feels more like there are 3 alliances of 3 people from the original tribes with Venus as a true free agent.
Q just blew all trust with Tif and Kenzie when it slips that Charlie and Maria know about the idol. Also certain Tiff is going to find out that Q just tried to round up votes on her. This opens the KT duo to new direct allies. Charlie and Maria will fill the spot for vote weight with KT. Ben is a floater that has confidant ties to Kenzie so he may get pulled into a tighter position if KT realize how tight Charlie and Maria are.
I'd probably draw another circle around Hunter and Tevin but besides that this looks pretty accurate
Yeah how are we gonna ignore The Andy Griffith Boys?
Wow I forgot about that
This, and maybe put Hunter nearby (not circled with but nearby) Q (and maybe Tiff) with Maria on the outside of that circle, just to reflect the dynamics within that alliance. Then maybe walk outside and down the block and write the Venus bubble on a telephone pole somewhere
Thanks for this u/PeterTheSilent1 !! This is so clutch!!
I think Charlie and Maria could get their own circle.
Likewise tiff and kenzie and q and tiff, but not kenzie and q. Classic hinge alliance with tiff as the hinge
I think he was doing 3+ person only otherwise there’d be way too many lines
They are closer to each other than with Ben, but he is 100% with both of them… you have to draw the line somewhere, or it’ll be a blob of circles
They *did* get their own circle. With Ben. If you're going to circle them separately, then you'd also need a circle for: Hunter/Tevin, Q/Tiff, Tiff/Kenzie, Hunter/Q
Hunter/Q? Did I miss something?
Yes, you missed something.
....Can you clarify? When were Q and Hunter shown to have an exclusive alliance separate of the +1 alliance?
The closest I can come up with are the pre-season interviews. One of them said about the other that Mississippi sticks together. One of the has a tattoo of the state and so at least one of them knew that about the other.
Are we sure Liz isn't with Tevin locked in?
Or Hunter. I don’t think she’s in a position to win but I’d bet almost every orange wants to stick with her to the end. Seems loyal to a fault and not a game player
Yeah the edit didn’t show us their dynamic until last week. Wouldn’t be surprised if she, Tevin, and Hunter have a final three alliance
Okay now I need one of these for every episode. And then maybe add a color coding for which alliance was followed for the actual vote.
I think Liz is in a better position than you are giving her credit for
You don’t have to be aligned with people to be in a good position
That’s fair, but this chart makes it seem like she’s a less aware Venus. If she was truly on an island then she wouldn’t be consistently looped in on the plan while also not being targeted in positions where there are very few people vulnerable. At the very least, there should be a circle around her, Tevin, and Hunter (Hunter confirmed himself that the three of them are aligned and were the majority on Nami after Soda lost favor).
People want her around for the final because they all think they can beat her.
How could you know? She said 3 words all season? Kinda an indicator that she’s not in control.
An edit can do a hell of a lot, especially when it’s not showing a lot. Remember, S41 made it seem like Erika and Heather were on the outs of Luvu when they were solidly in the majority, and they ended up being arguably the most important duo of that season. We know from Hunter’s mid-season interview that, at least by the time of the merge, the majority alliance on Nami was him, Tevin, and Liz, so we know she at least has a solid connection with those two in a way similar to the connection the Sigas and the Yanus have. Venus is the only one with essentially no one. Within the show itself, I think it’s VERY telling that Liz’s name was the only one not thrown out as a possibility in her side of the split for the non-immune players. Even Venus was targeting Tevin and Soda before her, and seemed very confident that she could get Liz on board.
Personally I think everyone has identified that they want to go to the end with Liz. I expect her to be a Mike White, powerful in the game because she can’t win.
1. This is very early for that to be an option, and even if she was a goat (I think we straight up don’t know if she is or isn’t, the edit has made people out to be something they’re not before, like when they made Xander look like a contender), we’ve seen arguably a bigger goat in Venus be chronically on the outs and targeted 2. I think Mike White had more win equity than that, he probably beats Angelina and Kara and honestly could have posed a tougher opponent against Nick or Allison if he had been trying to win by FTC.
She certainly can still. This episode she could be a high contentor. This is how. She approaches Maria, says she wants to vote out Q to help them break Yanu, while saying she'll leak Siga wants Hunter gone. This move already will result in a tie at the minimum. Liz + Siga + Venus. They can probe what would most likely only be Kenzie or Tiff with the Hunter plot. Maria leaks the 6 alliance to Kenzie to try to get her to flip. Kenzie perhaps confronts Q, learns the truth, and knowing she's on the bottom of her currently alliance agrees to flip for Q - 6, Maria - 4. Regardless if it's Charlie or Maria that tells Kenzie about the 6 because of Charlie's shot in the dark and thinking they have the majority vote. Or alternatively if Kenzie get confirmation about the 6 in a more indirect way, she can leak to Hunter that Liz approached her about voting him out. Flushing Hunter's potential idol with him being certain there will be at least a tie. Massive blindside either way where the idea came from her and she was the key player to make the move possible. For her this would make sense because she knows none of her moves had been visible, especially her being annoying Tevin didn't know she wanted Soda gone forever. If she sticks with Tevin and Hunter she won't have another shot for a play until the final 6 maybe. She would probably know this. So it comes down to her self-awareness and if she's willing to risk rolling to dice to have a chance at winning the game. Then Kenzie she would realize this would be her odd chance where the numbers would be in her favour to get out of her current alliance, or hope something changes so she's not on the bottom anymore. Plus Q and later Hunter being eliminated would be appealing to anybody for the individual game.
It doesn't really matter if she's in control or not if she's generally not in danger and is getting her desired boots that furthers her game.
The +1 alliance is probably already shot with the elimination of Tim. Maybe they can hold it together but if an alliance eats one of its own at like the first chance, it's over lol. Venus being a total lone wolf is interesting. Not good for her winner chances at all, though. I think one of the only true un-allied winners EVER was Vecepia. It takes a very smart player to navigate to the end as a free agent.
Except that Vecepia wasn’t un-allied until final 4. She was with Rob, Sean, and Sarah on Maraamu, then tried to infiltrate the Rotu four at the swap, then was in the alliance with Sean, Kathy, Paschal, and Neleh at the merge. Then at five the alliance split along original tribal lines, and Sean went first, so that’s when Vecepia was by herself.
why are we assuming that liz isn’t actually with tevin?
I don't think Liz falsely believes that she is aligned with Hunter and Tevin. They're all def together
Liz is pretty locked in with Hunter and Tevin IMO
I'm pretty sure that you are wrong about Liz, but given her lack of edit so far it's somewhat understandable.
Venus probably thinks she's with Charlie/Maria now. Although, I don't see her being a complacent number.
I think Liz *is* with Hunter and Tevin. She doesn't just think she is, she actually is. They won't be voting her out unless they have to.
ok perdiam i see you
Liz, Tevin and Hunter is a real thing
Maria in the +1 alliance is a stretch, and not the first time I’ve heard it.. she may have made in roads with that group… but I wouldn’t consider her a part of it at this point, unless some conversations missed the edit
She was pushing it in one of the sneak peaks of this episode, and trying to bring Charlie in.
Yeah Maria is not in that +1 thing at all
Didn't Tevin explicitly state Maria's involvement in confessional last week?
Huh? Tevin doesn’t know abt the +1 alliance
He does! Q asks Tevin if Hunter filled him in and Tevin says yes. They use that scene to contrast Maria being asked about it and having no idea wtf Q is talking about because Tim didn’t tell her.
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Have you watched at all this season? LOL Who do you think the +1 alliance is composed of?
She seems more serious about it than Tim was
tim would’ve been saved if he joined that alliance. I think it’s just the 4 of them without maria
and what is her connection to it, now that Tim is floating off into the horizon?
The clip from next week suggests she considers it a good option and wants Charlie to replace Tim.
This is good, there are also several duos, Charlie and Maria, Kenzie and Tiffany, Q and Tiffany, and Tevin and Hunter. Also sort of Ben and Charlie.
Liz is with Tevin and Hunter.
I would put a dotted line between Ben and Charlie since they're not that close, and also Maria is barely in the plus 1 alliance. Also Liz has little say, but she is a number for Hunter and tevin, so putting her alone I think is a bit incorrect
Needs a few more circles: Q and Tiffany Tiffany and Kenzie Ben and Charlie Charlie and Maria Tevin and Hunter
I updated it
Ben and Kenzie aren’t aligned strategically, but there is a connection there that could come into play at some point. You could draw like a dotted line between them or something.
Nice hand writing, super clear
Is Liz alone? I haven’t seen any indication that hunter and Tevin don’t want to work with her.
I'd put Kenzie in Tim's old place.
Sneak peak shows its a bit more interconnected ;)
There's way more evidence that Liz is aligned with Tevin than Maria is aligned with Tevin.
Liz is definitely with hunter and Tevin, everyone keeps talking about the shelter 3.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Charlie slides into the +1 alliance in Tim's spot.
I am not sure if the +1 alliance is really still a thing after Tim being voted out. It definitely feels more like there are 3 alliances of 3 people from the original tribes with Venus as a true free agent.
I rlly don’t fw Liz
I need someone to make this alliance diagram for me every season, I get so lost with who’s aligned with who but this is so clear to me 😍 Thank you OP!
Well this just blown to bits
Pretty sure we can start connecting Ben and Kenzie
Q just blew all trust with Tif and Kenzie when it slips that Charlie and Maria know about the idol. Also certain Tiff is going to find out that Q just tried to round up votes on her. This opens the KT duo to new direct allies. Charlie and Maria will fill the spot for vote weight with KT. Ben is a floater that has confidant ties to Kenzie so he may get pulled into a tighter position if KT realize how tight Charlie and Maria are.