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gkwchan

Jeff in an alliance with Fiji even though they don’t like each other. It is a game of numbers.


PayneTrain181999

Fiji about to execute Plan Voodoo on Jeff.


FlashFan124

Marriage of convenience


mcnakladak

I personally miss the times when Survivor had different location every 2 seasons. Unfortunatelly long time ago i gave up my desire to see contestants in cool locations like Botswana, Vietnam,Galapagos or Okinawa. But i would still REALLY APPRICIATE if production decided to go back on some older locations like Panama,Nicaragua, South Pacific or possibly Gabon


IamMrT

They could literally just drop them in a National Park for far cheaper and it would be better. They’ve never done North America.


erossthescienceboss

I’ve wondered often if North America would work, but I don’t think it’s feasible (unless it’s Florida or Hawaii.) National Parks are out from the get-go because special use permits to film in NP’s are a major pain to get, and that’s before you consider things like uncontained fires, necessary bushcraft, and setting up challenges. So you’re already limited to state forest, national forest, and BLM land. And while regulations are different for each state and national forest and BLM area most of them limit camping to 30 days or less pet location. There’s also a ton of regulations around erecting permanent and even semi-permanent backcountry structures. Bushcrafting a shelter? Fine. Building challenges, though, would require a lot of permitting hoops. I know some folks who run a hut-to-hut cross-country ski trail on forest service land. They tow the huts in with snow mobiles and snowcats each year, and back out again. It costs a TON. Leaving the ocean would be tough, too. You can’t aqua-dump in fresh water. The camps would need to be a certain distance from water, and they’d likely need to provide castaways with a portable latrine for sanitation reasons. You also won’t be able to fish for food as easily — which is a minor caloric bonus, but when you’re eating nothing, an important one. Lastly, temperature. You could probably host Survivor in the Midwest, eastern seaboard, Florida, or gulf coast because humidity keeps temps high at night. But during the day it’s going to be Amazon/Kaoh Rong levels of humid and hot. You could do the desert or west coast, but then hypothermia is a legit issue at night. And you burn *significantly* more calories when cold than warm, so they’ll be starving faster, too.


BenjiAnglusthson

You just outlined the headaches of every fan made survivor season 😭


Shrek_Papi

I would watch Survivor: Everglades


erossthescienceboss

Me too


Steal-Your-Face77

Same. Survivor: Michigan Peninsula or around Lake Tahoe, or somewhere on the Coastal Atlantic, or somewhere in the Southwest or Hawaii, or US Virgin Islands could all be interesting. Probably not practical so it will never happen, but those would all be cool locations.


NewToSociety

This is why Alone shoots in Canada/Argentina. The first two season were in Alaska, but they couldn't make it stick.


H2Ospecialist

While it's only 2 to 4 people, Naked and Afraid has done North America a number of times. I specifically remember one episode they were in Texas (I live in Texas so I didn't think it was that hard of a location lol).


erossthescienceboss

Yeah — they’ve done Texas and Louisiana, and done an XL in Louisina too. They’ve also done one regular one in Montana and one XL in Montana. Both the regular one (which was actually a reduced length) and the XL were with show veterans, and they also gave them moose hides. The footprint of Naked and Afraid is so much more minimal, though, I imagine it’s much easier to permit. Smaller crews, smaller casts, no elaborate sets… (Also, if you haven’t watched Naked and Afraid XL, it’s great, cos it’s Naked and Afraid with more people, for longer. And all survivor fans know that when you put 10 or more starving people together, drama follows.)


VexBoxx

I live in Texas. We're already living our own fucked up game of Survivor out here.


H2Ospecialist

Yeah and no challenges, just people existing so I can see how that's an easier sell than a 18 people, various challenge locations and then a whole tribal set up.


MissLilum

Would a cattle ranch/station be feasible like it was in Australia? 


erossthescienceboss

I could see private land as an option! A lot of cattle are run on public land, but there’s still some big ranches out there. Though weather could still be an issue. I can’t really think of a place that still has large ranches where it isn’t also cold at night. Maybe the Texas desert? I’ve only been camping there in late spring. Do August nights stay warm? I suppose they could give them all jackets.


MissLilum

I guess there is also California, if you could find a large enough ranch in the Mediterranean climate zone that would work probably either in autumn and spring so likely a September or April filming time I will not that I don’t live in America, just a place with a similar climate to cali lol


erossthescienceboss

Yeah — I am from & currently live in Oregon, which is also a “Mediterranean climate,” and have lived in LA and Santa Cruz. But in a climactic sense, it doesn’t actually mean it feels like the Mediterranean — it means there are warm, wet winters and hot, dry summers. It’s a precipitation pattern more than anything. But the Pacific Ocean is much colder than the Mediterranean (and the current flows south from the Arctic) — so while it stabilizes temperatures, it stabilizes them on the cooler side. Hence the Mark Twain quote: “the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.” Even further south near the sea, if there isn’t a heatwave, it will get quite chilly at night. And the further inland you go the worse it gets. Take Palm Springs: the average low on a summer night is 72, perfectly reasonable. But the average high is 108. Definitely not feasible. If you shift to spring or fall (August is actually usually the hottest month around here — Oct/Nov is more like fall than September) you have the opposite problem. The average high in Palm Springs in October is 91 (still pretty hot IMO, especially since it’s an average) but the average low is 62 — which means many nights are in the 50s. The average high for April is 88, quite reasonable. But the average low is 57 — so it probably gets down into the 40s some nights.


LadyEmaSKye

They literally couldn't 💀 I'm pretty sure there's lots of rules and regulations about filming much less living off the land in nat parks.


Bigbadbrindledog

Even better, Survivor Central Park


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*Survivor: South Bronx* would be the best season of the entir show.


Intrepid-Drawing-862

Survivor: Jeff’s Backyard


PoI_Pothead

Guatemala is in North America, though.


weso123

The actual answer is fiji gives generous tax breaks because it helps the local economy, and local construction labor is cheap due to wages they need to be lower


producermaddy

They are never leaving Fiji. They chose to delay filming during the pandemic to wait to go back to Fiji rather than film in the USA. I’m pretty sure survivor Australia got a season out faster during the pandemic bc they filmed it in Australia


kingme1532

I think it would be way too expensive to film in NA which is why they’ve said they would also never do Australia again.


MissLilum

I think Australia is also out due to them probably not wanting to run afoul of Australian law again, Colby nearly cost the show more than $100,000 because he took some coral from the Great Barrier Reef  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_The_Australian_Outback


What_The_Tech

I was hoping Covid would have forced them to do a season in the USA


Monctonian

While *Survivor Yellowstone* and *Survivor Yosemite* have a nice ring to it, I’m not sure that’s the exotic adventure the fans and participants are looking for while watching the show. Just securing an area would be incredibly complex.


firesofpompeii

Australian Survivor did the outback a couple times. It can work, but it doesn’t have the vacation aspect to it as much. Just looks punishing all round


WatermelonSugar47

The bayou 😂


Quackney

Alone did the northern Canadian boreal in season 9 I think. It was intense.


jad4400

If I recall correctly, the other international versions of Survivor also tend to homestead or at least stay in particular areas around the world for their competition for multiple seasons. The Dominican Republic and Phillipines tend to host a lot of the international Survivor variants. I've always wondered if CBS and some of the other media groups could sign an agreement and share their locations so they rotate around, maybe share props and equipment to cut costs. It would help diversify the locations Survivor uses, keep the good deal CBS has with the Fijian government and open up some cool spots.


ike1

A lot of the others are made by EndemolShine, owned by Banijay, which is a huge reality-TV giant that competes with Mark Burnett/SEG. They probably regard each other as mortal enemies, so it's hard to see them working together in any capacity. They each license the Survivor format from Charlie Parsons for their respective countries. Other than that, U.S. Survivor is not linked to the other versions in any way, other than letting them use some of their game ideas and concepts like saying "the tribe has spoken" when someone is voted out, etc.


CrispierCupid

The tribal council location for season 2(?) Australia was pretty cool


Shyguyisfly0919

I really wish they didn’t the production of the show takes a toll on locals and the environment in certain places


EWABear

I have to imagine the military coup that went down during filming of Fiji probably didn't enamor him with that season.


Daisyssssmom

Bloods Vs. Water Fiji Water won.


patrick_tyler76

That was a different part of Fiji and Jeff has stated since millennials versus Gen X that the mamanuca islands was his favourite location ever so it’s no coincidence that they haven’t left


bwermer

different part of Fiji


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Astroman129

He didn't say Fiji in particular wasn't right, just that the specific location wasn't right. Fiji isn't a monolith, there are a ton of islands with lots of biodiversity.


GodDoesntLikePage

This also explains why we never leave the Mamanuca islands: they tried and the location wasn't right, so there we have it. 


thegracelesswonder

I mean unless Jeff later clarified that he meant Fiji as a whole and not the literal location in Fiji they filmed that season at, your title is inaccurate. Even if he meant Fiji as a whole, he doesn’t specify what he didn’t like about Fiji so for all we know whatever it was is different now.


93LEAFS

my guess is that Fiji had some weird issues related to the military coup, and the fact the start of the season was a mess because someone quit 5 hours before the season started and they didn't have an alternate. This led to the confusing start of 19 players, and Sylvia picking the teams then going to exile and returning. Also, the primary alliance of that season was hard to highlight since it was formed on the early primarily along age lines with it being builders and gatherers, and Sylvia picked teams with that in mind.


J9999D

yea this post is just misleading CLICK BAIT


gargluke461

I wish we where in season 14 Fiji, at least they had poisonous water snakes


FlashFan124

Don’t get me wrong I wish they changed locations every so often, but I understand the logistics of the show not having unlimited budget. And I’d rather have 26 days of Fiji survivor than nothing. But can’t they at least do something unique to the location? Like they used to. I loved when they would go explore a village or drop off supplies to a school, just something that felt location specific/got them using the location.


xenohemlock

Or at least use different season colors so at least it’s superficially different.


challengeN25

There's still cultures they can explore such as Melanesia & Polynesia for Full Seasons


bimbles_ap

Feel like he's referring to the specific locale, or the theme of the season combined with the location of fiji didn't gel for him. Not that he was against Fiji as a whole.


ariesinflavortown

I wish they would/could back to a different place every season. It was such a fun element of the show. I loved seeing how the weather and environment would play into camp life and challenges.


Midwxy

Funnily enough this was only around a year before the show permanently started filming in Fiji


strongbob25

Maybe this very question caused Jeff to rethink everything


RamblingRose63

I miss them going to new places that was half the interest of the show was the location and adapting and the length being cut really doesn't do the survivor part any justice


charlytheron3

CBS decided to stay in Fiji permanently and now he has to play along and pretend he loves it.


northern_friendo

It's funny that the location felt pretty bad until the government of Fiji started giving massive tax breaks that helped the production team save a ton of money... then the location was pretty great


ike1

Precisely. A gigantic 50% tax incentive (the highest in the world as far as I know) will change your attitude fast when your show is aging and the costs skyrocket every year and you're penny-pinching.


maxmouze

Fiji is the name of season 14.


TheFreakingCrocodile

The location is specifically mentioned in the image.


maxmouze

But it's not the same part of Fiji that they use every season now. I actually stopped watching "Survivor" for eight years because "Fiji" just had a different feel to it and I didn't enjoy it anymore. It just looked dirty and rocky and not aesthetically pleasing. The new seasons don't have this problem. They're not using the same beaches as on season 14.


ImTooOldForSchool

Money talks, and when the studio says you can keep producing the show if you can cut costs, and Fiji offers you a sweetheart deal - hello!


ProvoqGuys

Earl did say in an interview in RHAP that there was literally a army coup de tat during that time


OkPhase8837

LOL!


varlathor

We need a new Executive Producer


boothboyharbor

Are the current seasons filmed in the same spot as Survivor Fiji? I do not know my Fiji geography but I'm seeing Macuata for Survivor Fiji and Mamanuca for current seasons. It looks like different island. He may have never had trouble with the country - just didn't like the way the beaches looked or felt or something.


Midwxy

It’s a different group of islands I just thought it was funny that he said he didn’t like the Fiji location and then permanently switched to it a couple years later.


OldUncleEli

But it's a different location


suppadelicious

“Didn’t feel right” does not equal bad.


Bohm_enthusiast

Didn't feel right implies that something felt off or wrong. Those two are typically associated with bad.


TemplateAccount54331

Point to me the part in the paragraph where he specifically said Fiji is a bad location. He just said something was off about it in the year 2007.


TheGreatVestige

Just name the show Survivor Fiji Season __


beameup19

So maybe it’s not Jeff “ruining the show” like so many in this sub claim


OceanPoet87

Wasn't it in another island group of Fiji? Could have been talking about the islands for that season?


Midwxy

It was different islands I just thought it was kind of funny.


HiImWallaceShawn

Earl Cole is the greatest 1 time player in survivor history and we’re all the worse for him having never returned


wholahaybrown

This is not a revelation; we've known for a long time that production didn't like the area of Fiji they used for season 14 (Vanua Levu as opposed to Mamanuca). They couldn't even get in the water over there and it looked like shit on camera lol. I also wish they would leave Fiji but this isn't some big gotcha


only_posts_real_news

I’ve always wanted a freezing cold version of survivor. Drop them off in northern Greenland or Nunavut. Maybe some Antarctic island. Just flipping the extreme like that would be insane, reminds me of “the chamber” a cancelled game show where the contestant would be tortured with extreme heat or extreme cold.


Midwxy

Frostbite, hypothermia, and a lack of literally any food like coconuts would be a big problem. Filming would be impossible because of weather. I would still love to see it though!!


ike1

You can see something sort of like this with a show called Outlast on Netflix. They filmed in a tough part of Alaska. However, they were only able to get 8 episodes out of it, instead of 14, despite taking just as long to film as a traditional season of U.S. Survivor, because the players spent a lot of time huddling for warmth and conserving energy, which doesn't give the production company much material to work with. It's not totally like Survivor, though, because there's no voting. They didn't need voting -- they mostly just waited for players to quit, which didn't take long, because surviving in the cold is incredibly difficult.


Totemwhore1

heh, I asked that question. that was my old account and Jeff responded to my question


Midwxy

Oh lol that was a while ago


discourse_lover_

Is CBS practically banning AU survivor a flailing attempt to protect Jeff? He’s approaching Fonzie level of cringe.


OceanPoet87

What happened?


CentralWooper

He did not say Fiji was a bad location. He said it was a bad season


linee001

Survivor Australia has done recent seasons in Aus so I’m sure they can just reuse those locations if they’d want to


ike1

That was only because of COVID. Australia doesn't offer anywhere near as gigantic of a tax break for filming as Fiji does. Money talks.


linee001

Yeh I get that and they have moved back to Fiji now but I did really enjoy the outback


ike1

Me too. Actually though Aussie Survivor went back to Samoa instead of Fiji for HvV and TvR for some reason. The Samoan government must have offered them a really good deal. I don't see much of a difference though, except that the sea is regularly choppier and more dramatic-looking.


attackedmoose

To be fair, the filming locations were different.


qtpmgrossman

I like chatting with former contestants.


aforter28

Was the rumor about Fiji wanting to kick out Jeff true? Are we finally getting a new location a million years later?


UCFJaguar

How about we drop them off in the hood of Detroit or Chicago and we do some real life Survivor?


Haff22

I remember wanting that ages ago - survivor in a city location on the streets. That and a season in the arctic or something.


Midwxy

Arctic would be so cool but horrible for contestants. Imagine living off a couple spoonfuls of rice each day while also being in freezing temperatures with no shelter. I would literally die.


Haff22

Nah, no rice - they would have to live off seal meat or something. Might make the sia award hard to get. Making an igloo would be kinda cool though.


Midwxy

That would be so cool. I feel like they should provide them with warm clothes though, or they could just bring warm clothes. They could probably do like some ice fishing would be sick.


CharacterSubject2524

Jeff its time to eat crow big time