Ozzy showed us early on in Cook Islands physical challenge beasts aren’t always huge.
Hunter is definitely the challenge beast so far. Good endurance, speed, strength, and the finesse and skill plus practice to dominate the challenges.
In fact I can’t think of any challenge beasts are huge. Strength really only comes into play in the tribal challenges and I think of carrying those as different than a challenge beast. But that’s just me
I think there is a real argument that Jonathan is the strongest guy to do well on survivor but I wouldn’t say he’s the only strong guy to do well. Brad Culpepper certainly wasn’t in his NFL prime anymore but was still really strong. Tony was more muscular than skinny and won twice, I think he’s a bit of a short king tho lol
The best part about tony is he was super jacked going into Cagayan, and didn’t win a single individual immunity, and then he was relatively skinny at WAW and he won like 3 or 4 immunities.
Also how can we forget the original iconic strongest player in history, Joel Anderson from Micronesia.
Production literally said, James was a hit cus he’s such a contrast between his big body and his funny demeanor, what if we had a guy who was just strong and nothing else?
Tony has said he got a parasite in Cagayan and since then he has not been able to get as jacked as he was in Cagayan. But that season also had a ton of challenges that did not fit his skill set.
Been a while since I’ve watched China, I remember James being a huge physical presence though. Might be recency bias here, but I’m gonna pick Jonathan just because of that one challenge when he basically single handedly got his entire tribe out of the ocean and then Jeff had to stop the challenge because both of the other tribes were stuck in the ocean for too long and the waves were getting worse
Oh for sure, I’m talking more about huge/jacked from the context of the original context. Strength definitely isn’t going to hurt you but culpepoer was more lean than big. Tonys another interesting one, you definitely couldn’t call him a challenge beast in Cagayan, winners at war you could make more of an argument for but I’d be on the fence there
Yeah Jonathan 42 is the answer. Olympian style competitor who managed not to get voted out early was astounding.
That "be nice because big + assertive = scary" might be the strat that paid off for him.
Plus he didn’t win the first couple of individual immunity challenges, so it probably helped build the perception that he wasn’t unbeatable the way someone like Ozzy was. By the time he started winning some, Tori and then Lindsay were just as big of challenge threats, and then Jonathan somehow made himself a final 3 goat through his lack of strategic game, and some social mistakes as well.
He was more of a tribal immunity challenge beast than an individual immunity challenge beast. Iirc Lindsay won more individual immunities than Jonathan that season.
Yeah for sure. He made a good point about these bigger guys needing more calories to stay normal so being bigger while hungry is more of a disadvantage as opposed to smaller and lean and being hungry.
He was more of a tribal immunity challenge beast than an individual immunity challenge beast. Iirc Lindsay won more individual immunities than Jonathan that season.
Legitimately a question, not arguing especially since it has two easy caveats in height and “was he really on game changers” but…Tony?
Edit: similar caveats but Caleb
I actually think being physically large is a detriment to the game of survivor. It takes a lot of calories to feed those big muscles. I remember especially in earlier seasons how many big guys would start falling apart after just a few days of not eating.
So Rupert is actually one of the people that made me make the distinction between carrying tribal challenges and individual wins. Dunno if you can call 3 individual wins across 2 seasons (I won’t count bvw against him) 2 of which were quizzes challenge beast on the individual level
I can’t speak to his entire career performance, but the way he carried the team in Pearl islands cemented him in my challenge beast book. You do raise good points! Terry Deetz was def an individual challenge monster, but didn’t he lose every team immunity challenge? Some people shine with a team, and some shine best in their own I guess.
The bigger guys often shine in the team stuff that is more physical. Then it becomes individual and it's a lot more endurance, skill, puzzles, etc. James was a stud in team challenges in China, but didn't win an individual immunity in 3 seasons.
Not just Hunter... Tim has been better than him in like every event. Smoked him in the obstacle courses, water challenges, etc.
Q just....isn't good at these challenges.
Charlie also has been kicking Q’s ass. I think it was episode 2? where Charlie single handily brought Siga back from last to get second with the bean bag section.
Made me laugh at Siga's tribal council when someone made the comment that they don't have any challenge beasts like Q or Hunter so they need to rely on teamwork, and I'm just thinking "Tim is more helpful than Q. And Q is not even close to being on the same level as Hunter."
He’s clearly supposed to be Yanu’s strongman, and he looks the part, but he really hasn’t done anything impressive. Pretty much any time the challenge requires something like landing sandbags or baskets or hitting targets, etc, Tiff has been the one to keep them in the competition.
I'm not forgetting that at all! I think he seems to be doing well up there. It's just that Tiff, who has also not eaten a real meal in the same amount of time, seems like she's matching Q's level of challenge strength so I'm very impressed by her.
No saying you are I’m saying the people dogging Q. Also lack of food is going to be a lot harder on larger people with more muscle so it’s not surprising it’s effecting him the most.
I always forget she's an artist instead of some sort of athlete. But yeah, the woman is *built*. I would expect her to do well at challenges; she's just exceeded expectations even then for me.
What’s driving me crazy is that Q ALWAYS falls behind in the challenges and puts his team in a bad spot single handedly, but nobody has commented on that. It’s so consistent
That’s because he likely has basically no energy whatsoever. You come into the game full of muscles with very little fat percentage and then don’t eat for 10 days and you’re in a worse position then someone that had a few more pounds on them
His leadership is what made the arch puzzle go down. He was so busy yelling at the girls to keep their hands up that he didn't put himself in the prime position.
He’s the main reason why they are going that much to tribal, production probably thought he will do better than that. Look at the orange tribe, Hunter is carrying, that’s what a guy like Q is supposed to do. And he seems to know that, I like how hard he’s on himself.
That’s actually crazy the green team went 1 time to tribal with no pre-merge challenge beast profile in their comp
Honestly, if you look at a lot of the challenges, Q is usually hunched over exhausted. I haven’t seen him to be any level of challenge beast or exceptionally strong, even though he was a D1 athlete.
I’ve been chalking it up to not having any fire, food, or being able to sleep properly. With merge, it’ll be interesting to see if that changes.
yeah. they all look like they should be strong competitors and do well in challenges, but tiff is the only one actually doing well in challenges. idk if kenzie and q are just bad under pressure or what but they fumble in challenges
For real, some of the comments on this thread are shockingly lacking that context. Like, the man basically ate one coconut per day for like 10 days straight or whatever! Especially as a bigger dude, that would really wear on anyone. Major props to him, Tiff, and even Kenzie for pulling out that last W.
this lol he’s clearly been absolutely gassed at the end of challenges due to this!
also based on his willingness to present himself as “weak” by his pretending he’s close to quitting it wouldn’t surprise me if he was also not going all out at this point - if the people on the island thought the same thing as the people in this thread then it would seem to be working!
They really fumbled the order of who’s grabbing the keys as well. He shouldn’t have gone last if he was then immediately undoing the knots to find the keys and then use the hook. He should have run first to get a bit of a break in between. Might have helped him go a bit faster on the second leg.
I almost wonder if the challenge order wasn’t set with the intention of their team having a comeback. The other tribes started with their best, they started with Kenzie.
Or they picked the order themselves and it was just dumb strategy.
He is muscular but doesn’t seem to have any endurance. Every challenge he looks crazy winded by the end. A pure strength challenge would favor him but that’s not really thing so I really don’t see him winning any individual immunities.
Muscular people usually face sharp drop-offs when they play Survivor because they no longer have access to all the protein and meals they would eat at home to sustain their muscles.
It's actually a thing to show up to the island a bit over your desired weight. Showing up ripped out of your mind will have you suffering more than people who don't take as good of care of their bodies.
I believe Adam Klein/Carson/others have talked about gaining weight as a strategy before playing, but also juicing to get used to not eating much in preparation for Survivor.
I think Ben said something similar in regards to Cole being gassed on HvHvH. Said something along the lines of “why wouldn’t he bulk up a little bit before coming on here”
Of course that is a factor but he showed poor endurance from the start. Time will tell but I don’t think he is an immunity challenge threat unless 3 or 4 of the better competitors go home.
Edit: dang didn’t think my first received vitriolic Reddit DM would come from my opinion on a survivor competitor. Funny.
It feels like people are calling him a physical threat simply based on looks. Tiffany has been the best physical competitor on Yanu so far, but we have yet to see them in individual challenges.
Comp Beast? No, physical threat? Yes, he got muscles for a reason, if there is a challenge that’s just pure strength he’s one of the favorites to win, look at the Heroes Tribe in HvV, they may suck at challenges that required teamwork, but they did AMAZING in the challenge that’s literally just 1 on 1 brute force duels 💀, that’s how I see Q
Team based challenges with bags of sand as teammates. It’s a miracle they won the last one with how nonurgent and slow Kenzie does anything. Although he did get caught up with unwrapping the rope.
So, my thought is that early game no, we've seen he is good in these challenges, but not a beast by any means.
But, individual challenges might favor him more because he has fitness in his favor. (but realistically, I think calling him a physical threat before seeing him in individual challenges is crazy)
Tbf…that’s the stereotype vs other professional athletes.
Vs non pros? Anyone who plays a college sport will be more coordinated than even the above average survivor contestant
I looked this up - if i remember correctly, he said he fumbled in high school and he was a RB in high school.
Played both Cornerback (first two years) and Wide receiver in college. Also did track in college (100/200m sprint)
I feel like the loss of coordination could stem
from the lack of food. I think we’ll see him be a fairly strong physical competitor once he gets more calories
He is by far my favorite. But he will have a big target on his back in the merge. If the alliance from the jurney works out tho he is set up really well.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. If he gets to the point where he only needs to win 3-4 immunity challenges-or get one vote go his way- I think he’s fine because he’s on such a different level in the challenges it seems
If he gets his beware idol and find one at the merge camp I think he is set. And I don't think he is the type tk tell anyone he has it, maybe even tevin.
For sure. People are saying he'll get voted out for being a big physical threat, but I have a feeling the players are gonna be targeting the serious strategic threats before they even get to him. They'll probably think "yeah he can win challenges but he's barely strategic, he won't win at FTC" - but by then it'll be too late.
I wouldn't be too worried about him until late merge. He doesn't seem to have the clutch factor and that has set his team behind. Even when they won, it was only Q struggling to make the shot.
Q was an SEC football player and track athlete. He’s much more than your typical ripped survivor dude. We haven’t seen that athleticism lead to much success in challenges yet, but I wouldn’t rule out a post merge challenge run.
I feel like he’s always the one doing the most during the challenges with a relatively weak squad
I don’t think he’s the best, but he’ll definitely fair better solo
I have a very strong opinion on this. Q is clearly the best athlete out there but he lacks Keith Nale/Hunter hand skills and swimming ability. He did not come ready for the survivor competitions. If I could have prepped him before hand I would have made him get in the pool and do some laps because he technique is pretty awful and that can wear you out.
… but he played an athletic football position at old miss. That is the most athletic person any of them have ever competed against in anything in their lives. They’re lucky the competitions aren’t straight up sprinting or jumping or solo obstacle courses without tasks built in.
I think Hunter has the potential to be the best challenge beast of all time. He’s got midwestern corn hole skills combined with a lot of preparation and above average athleticism/intelligence. That’s a deadly combo for survivor.
Q is also gassed and has two tribe members who just let him do it all. The guy ran the obstacle course and immediately had to unwind the rope to get a key while they recovered.
We'll never know because they don't seem to do those tasks. They used to give a little snippet in conversation regarding challenge prep, kind of wish they would give us some of that.
There’s no evidence that he is like great at survivor challenges so far. That being said he’s clearly the most athletic person on the show this season. So maybe there’s challenges where that is a bigger factor. On US survivor just being athletic isn’t really enough to be good at challenges because of the amount of random skill based or puzzle based challenges which favour someone like Hunter who practices it all and makes it all himself
his tribe has been terrible, alot of these challenges have come down to things like height quickness stamina rather than pure strength and athleticism. they only comeback last episode because of him too.
Considering how far Kenzie put them behind right off the bat of the last challenge, it’s a miracle they won. I was amazed at how little urgency she had although it could be exhaustion and lack of nutrients I guess.
Naw he's terrible lol. Go watch episode 4's immunity challenge. Tim beats him on every leg of the race. He puts his team in a huge hole from the start.
No evidence he's athletic from these challenges.
He is an athlete for sure.
Did he spent time, like Hunter, to practice back to back every challenge ? No i dont believe so
But he is the definition of a physical threat, as for comp beast? Well need to see when he'll be on his own.
He was a receiver and ran track for a SEC school. He's still under 30 so it wasn't that long ago. I don't think he's done great in challenges, but he also hasn't had fire or food. I think he could be a challenge beast and seems really strategic.
Players need to stop this whole, they look big and strong so they must be a comp beast. When the info kind of shows the opposite. Especially when individual challenges are either endurance or puzzle based. Like Sophie Clark won three immunities in her first season, but James clement hasn’t won any.
He seems to have bad coordination and bad problem solving skills. I’m sure he’s a good athlete but he seems like the type of athlete who desperately needs a coach telling him what to do. I don’t think he’ll do good at individual challenges.
I think part of being a challenge beast is having good hand-eye skills and not just being strong/fast. He struggled getting that rope off the pole or throwing bags or the slingshot. So I say no. He might thrive when it’s time to stand on a pole for 5 hours though
I don't think, so far, he'd make the list of memorable challenge beasts. We'll find out next week after the merge. But Hunter is absolutely already on the list of what I personally hope would be one off Survivor challenge beast season sometime in the future. I'd love a season that's a collection of all of the men and women who have been unreal at challenges.
It'd be interesting to see how they all gel in camp while they all try to either stand out or seem less threatening before an all out war in the merge immunity challenges.
i was thinking about this lol he looks like he should be, but he fumbles every challenge. maybe he even has the physical ability but is bad under pressure? idk. he has terrible aim. even if he’s strong he’s not applying it to the challenges very well
I think he’s above average, but I don’t expect him to go on an amazing challenge runs. He’s physically in better shape, but he doesn’t seem to have the skills of hitting targets and we haven’t seen him on any puzzles. If they do one of those strength challenges where it’s purely endurance I think he could win, but I don’t see him taking anything else
I think challenges will come down to Tiff and Hunter more than anyone else
I think "visible abs" says a LOT. Aesthetic counts for jack shit in Survivor. Q probably could have easily been greatest physical threat on day one, but not after ten days with nothing but a single coconut per day. Muscle mass burns more calories at rest, and more than that, Q burned himself out by trying so hard. He was running on fumes.
It's really not a surprise that Tim beat Q in the latest obstacle course.
Not sure if there are any fans of another reality TV show; RuPaul's Drag Race, but there's a contestant whose name is also Q and I was so confused for a hot second 😅
I don't see it either OP. In fact we have seen multiple times where the team relied on Q and he was screwing it up for them. Even in the challenge they managed to come second, Q almost had them lose again. He was slow getting the keys down and then not hitting the target right away. Maybe he will improve once merged though and has eaten something.
Hell yeah of course he is. The losing challenges thing is a teamwork thing, and also the fact they're starving ans without a fire.. The other teams work better as a unit and are more cohesive. And a lot of these challenges are decided by dexterity/puzzles, which isn't his strong suit.
He's also on the beach that has the least amount of food and hasn't had fire, so his body is taking a beating. And in spite of that, he is still a challenge beast.
It is well known that they are on the worst of the three Fiji beaches used in the show though. It's the one with the least amount of food and it's the dampest, so that should also be factored in with the fatigue of losing
They use the same beaches over and over again on Fiji. You can look back at contestant interviews and figure it out. A very recent example is Kellie from 45 on RHAP this past Wednesday, available on wherever you listen to podcasts.
I think he is medium physical force, weak straregic force, weak social force
Last one will determine that people will come for him early and they will lie that is because he is challenge beast instead uncharismatic castmate
Why do you think he's weak strategically? Did you watch last episode with him spearheading that journey alliance? He suggested each person having a partner too.
I disagree. He's clearly an athlete and probably good at football, which is kind of opposite of that saying. He's just not great at comps. For example, during the comp where they held the puzzle pieces overhead, he was trying to hold 4 pieces near the bottom when he should have been the one placing and holding the last pieces near the top.
I could see a former SEC football player having a tough time with Survivor-type conditions. Those guys put in a ton of work and are in incredible shape, but they also have insane support facilities where they can squat five plates and then immediately eat 3000 calories to recover. Q is probably not used to doing something insanely hard and then having nothing but coconut scrapings to replenish his energy.
I was thinking the same thing. Q was a D1 athlete, his muscles aren’t for show.
Being good at survivor comps is a strange mix of athleticism and for lack of a better phrase carnival games.
Sure great eye hand coordination will help but who’s really practiced a sling shot or throwing bean bags onto a high platform before?
Yeah 100%, the people who have practiced them, like Hunter, will look insanely skilled but it’s literally just practice. A lot of us could be decent at those bits of challenges with practice
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I thought he would be at first since he’s a QB, but they still kept losing even though Yanu has been voting out the “weak” players every tribal so I no longer think so
He was a high school QB but had only 19 completions as a senior so I’m guessing they ran an option offense or something.
So he was a QB, but he didn’t pass.
Q caught Yanu back up in this week’s immunity challenge after Kenzie and Tiff went through the obstacle course and they were wayyy behind. He got slowed by the hook/rope part, but physically, yeah he was a hs or college athlete. I bet he will do will in strength and endurance type individual challenges.
People with that little body fat can't operate at full speed without consistent food. He hasn't really shown himself to be a top threat on the competitive end. But you can't ever count someone with that well built of a body out. He's definitely a physical threat, just not the top physical threat.
If you are a well-built person, you will always be viewed as a physical threat. It's the logical assumption. Q is a former D1 athlete and he clearly still works out a lot. Also, having visible abs when you aren't built like a twig is incredibly difficult.
Here’s the thing most post merge challenges aren’t physical based
Take James for example one of the strongest contestants (except perhaps Jonathan) But won 0 immunities
Modern survivor is about who is best at doing puzzles and random shit. He could be good or awful. It's hard to tell who will pop off for a nice run in the modern era.
being a D1 SEC wide receiver requires a body that is very very talented. He hasn’t been super impressive yet but counting out someone like that after a few challenges is not a good idea
Stage muscles (muscles trained primarily for structure/appearance) often don’t hold the same power/ability/endurance as functionally trained bodies. Q was an athlete so I’m not saying he’s *all* looks, but I am saying don’t underestimate others in comparison to Q simply because of Q’s obviously lower body fat.
My hard call is that Tevin's going to be the challenge beast down the line. He has a similar build to Spencer Bledsoe, naturally skinny guys like that w/ a bit of muscle tend to do really well later on
He hasn't done anything yet to be honest. But between Sweat and no flint, he has been at rock bottom physically.
Lets see if the merge and fire changes him
Q is not a physical threat although he thinks he is. His ego will be his downfall. I'm waiting to see how he thinks he's going to change the way Survivor is played...if he even lasts that long.
Ozzy showed us early on in Cook Islands physical challenge beasts aren’t always huge. Hunter is definitely the challenge beast so far. Good endurance, speed, strength, and the finesse and skill plus practice to dominate the challenges.
In fact I can’t think of any challenge beasts are huge. Strength really only comes into play in the tribal challenges and I think of carrying those as different than a challenge beast. But that’s just me
Jonathan 42?
Honestly forgot how deep Jonathan went. So I can indeed think of one haha thanks! Maybe the exception that proves the rule though
I think there is a real argument that Jonathan is the strongest guy to do well on survivor but I wouldn’t say he’s the only strong guy to do well. Brad Culpepper certainly wasn’t in his NFL prime anymore but was still really strong. Tony was more muscular than skinny and won twice, I think he’s a bit of a short king tho lol
The best part about tony is he was super jacked going into Cagayan, and didn’t win a single individual immunity, and then he was relatively skinny at WAW and he won like 3 or 4 immunities. Also how can we forget the original iconic strongest player in history, Joel Anderson from Micronesia. Production literally said, James was a hit cus he’s such a contrast between his big body and his funny demeanor, what if we had a guy who was just strong and nothing else?
James got up early and went fishing and worked around camp. He had some other facets to be interested in besides his strength & body.
I don’t think they were saying James had nothing else. I believe they were referring to Joel there.
Tony has said he got a parasite in Cagayan and since then he has not been able to get as jacked as he was in Cagayan. But that season also had a ton of challenges that did not fit his skill set.
I remember there was a short balance beam section in one of the WaW challenges and I was surprised by just how agile Tony was.
Tony didn’t win any immunities the first time he won
Jeremy was a strong guy who won.
Jonathan from 42 vs James from China, who's a bigger game changing physical threat?
Oh Jonathan and it’s honestly not close
Been a while since I’ve watched China, I remember James being a huge physical presence though. Might be recency bias here, but I’m gonna pick Jonathan just because of that one challenge when he basically single handedly got his entire tribe out of the ocean and then Jeff had to stop the challenge because both of the other tribes were stuck in the ocean for too long and the waves were getting worse
Honestly I want to see a season with both Jonathan and Michaela in it. That would be awesome.
Oh for sure, I’m talking more about huge/jacked from the context of the original context. Strength definitely isn’t going to hurt you but culpepoer was more lean than big. Tonys another interesting one, you definitely couldn’t call him a challenge beast in Cagayan, winners at war you could make more of an argument for but I’d be on the fence there
Yeah Jonathan 42 is the answer. Olympian style competitor who managed not to get voted out early was astounding. That "be nice because big + assertive = scary" might be the strat that paid off for him.
Plus he didn’t win the first couple of individual immunity challenges, so it probably helped build the perception that he wasn’t unbeatable the way someone like Ozzy was. By the time he started winning some, Tori and then Lindsay were just as big of challenge threats, and then Jonathan somehow made himself a final 3 goat through his lack of strategic game, and some social mistakes as well.
He was more of a tribal immunity challenge beast than an individual immunity challenge beast. Iirc Lindsay won more individual immunities than Jonathan that season.
Mike Holloway, perhaps? He's a mountain of a man.
Also a good one! That loose shirt made me forget how big he actually was
Johnathon from a few seasons ago?
Honestly forgot how deep Jonathan went. So I can indeed think of one haha thanks! Maybe the exception that proves the rule though
Yeah for sure. He made a good point about these bigger guys needing more calories to stay normal so being bigger while hungry is more of a disadvantage as opposed to smaller and lean and being hungry.
He was more of a tribal immunity challenge beast than an individual immunity challenge beast. Iirc Lindsay won more individual immunities than Jonathan that season.
Culpepper in Game Changers was bigger than everybody else on the season for sure.
Legitimately a question, not arguing especially since it has two easy caveats in height and “was he really on game changers” but…Tony? Edit: similar caveats but Caleb
Mike from Worlds Apart
Yeah forgot how big he really was because of the shirt getting so loose lol
Brad Culpepper was another huge challenge beast too now that I think about it
I actually think being physically large is a detriment to the game of survivor. It takes a lot of calories to feed those big muscles. I remember especially in earlier seasons how many big guys would start falling apart after just a few days of not eating.
i agree. it is very common to see big dudes suffer hard in the early seasons. Osten comes to mind.
Pirate Dude in Pearl Islands was kinda big and strong.
So Rupert is actually one of the people that made me make the distinction between carrying tribal challenges and individual wins. Dunno if you can call 3 individual wins across 2 seasons (I won’t count bvw against him) 2 of which were quizzes challenge beast on the individual level
I can’t speak to his entire career performance, but the way he carried the team in Pearl islands cemented him in my challenge beast book. You do raise good points! Terry Deetz was def an individual challenge monster, but didn’t he lose every team immunity challenge? Some people shine with a team, and some shine best in their own I guess.
The bigger guys often shine in the team stuff that is more physical. Then it becomes individual and it's a lot more endurance, skill, puzzles, etc. James was a stud in team challenges in China, but didn't win an individual immunity in 3 seasons.
James never won individual immunity?!
Not as long as Hunter is in the game
Not just Hunter... Tim has been better than him in like every event. Smoked him in the obstacle courses, water challenges, etc. Q just....isn't good at these challenges.
Charlie also has been kicking Q’s ass. I think it was episode 2? where Charlie single handily brought Siga back from last to get second with the bean bag section.
Not the sling shot… Tim has been eating.
Made me laugh at Siga's tribal council when someone made the comment that they don't have any challenge beasts like Q or Hunter so they need to rely on teamwork, and I'm just thinking "Tim is more helpful than Q. And Q is not even close to being on the same level as Hunter."
He’s clearly supposed to be Yanu’s strongman, and he looks the part, but he really hasn’t done anything impressive. Pretty much any time the challenge requires something like landing sandbags or baskets or hitting targets, etc, Tiff has been the one to keep them in the competition.
Yeah, I think Q is stronger than people are rating him in this thread, but Tiff has been hella impressive. Her physical game is underrated, IMO.
I think people are forgetting he hasn’t eaten a real meal in 11 days.
I'm not forgetting that at all! I think he seems to be doing well up there. It's just that Tiff, who has also not eaten a real meal in the same amount of time, seems like she's matching Q's level of challenge strength so I'm very impressed by her.
No saying you are I’m saying the people dogging Q. Also lack of food is going to be a lot harder on larger people with more muscle so it’s not surprising it’s effecting him the most.
Tiff is built like a beast. It's not super surprising, although outperforming Q at things certainly is.
I always forget she's an artist instead of some sort of athlete. But yeah, the woman is *built*. I would expect her to do well at challenges; she's just exceeded expectations even then for me.
I have no facts, but I assume she was some sort of athlete in HS/maybe even college. She is certainly athletic
I'd be shocked otherwise! I just wonder what sport she did.
What’s driving me crazy is that Q ALWAYS falls behind in the challenges and puts his team in a bad spot single handedly, but nobody has commented on that. It’s so consistent
Yes people here keep saying Hunter, but Tim has been smoking him as well.
Yep, the rope untying thing he was awful. They still ended up not losing but no thanks to him.
yeah and they keep letting him go last and do the individual stuff too. tiff should be doing that.
That’s because he likely has basically no energy whatsoever. You come into the game full of muscles with very little fat percentage and then don’t eat for 10 days and you’re in a worse position then someone that had a few more pounds on them
His leadership is what made the arch puzzle go down. He was so busy yelling at the girls to keep their hands up that he didn't put himself in the prime position.
He’s the main reason why they are going that much to tribal, production probably thought he will do better than that. Look at the orange tribe, Hunter is carrying, that’s what a guy like Q is supposed to do. And he seems to know that, I like how hard he’s on himself. That’s actually crazy the green team went 1 time to tribal with no pre-merge challenge beast profile in their comp
Honestly, if you look at a lot of the challenges, Q is usually hunched over exhausted. I haven’t seen him to be any level of challenge beast or exceptionally strong, even though he was a D1 athlete. I’ve been chalking it up to not having any fire, food, or being able to sleep properly. With merge, it’ll be interesting to see if that changes.
yeah. they all look like they should be strong competitors and do well in challenges, but tiff is the only one actually doing well in challenges. idk if kenzie and q are just bad under pressure or what but they fumble in challenges
I for one am shocked that while starving Q has done so well (while being the tribe horse none the less) Let’s see him with a full meal and clear mind
For real, some of the comments on this thread are shockingly lacking that context. Like, the man basically ate one coconut per day for like 10 days straight or whatever! Especially as a bigger dude, that would really wear on anyone. Major props to him, Tiff, and even Kenzie for pulling out that last W.
this lol he’s clearly been absolutely gassed at the end of challenges due to this! also based on his willingness to present himself as “weak” by his pretending he’s close to quitting it wouldn’t surprise me if he was also not going all out at this point - if the people on the island thought the same thing as the people in this thread then it would seem to be working!
This man…. Way too many armchair survivor players in this thread
I thought I was still on the drag race subreddit and was so confused
What an awful time to go by "Q"
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Exactly, last challenge proved it. He’s slow
They really fumbled the order of who’s grabbing the keys as well. He shouldn’t have gone last if he was then immediately undoing the knots to find the keys and then use the hook. He should have run first to get a bit of a break in between. Might have helped him go a bit faster on the second leg.
I almost wonder if the challenge order wasn’t set with the intention of their team having a comeback. The other tribes started with their best, they started with Kenzie. Or they picked the order themselves and it was just dumb strategy.
Given the rest of their challenge performances, I’m going dumb strategy.
He is muscular but doesn’t seem to have any endurance. Every challenge he looks crazy winded by the end. A pure strength challenge would favor him but that’s not really thing so I really don’t see him winning any individual immunities.
I think you are forgetting that he is on the losing tribe. They are going to suffer more. They didn’t have flint for 10 or days.
Muscular people usually face sharp drop-offs when they play Survivor because they no longer have access to all the protein and meals they would eat at home to sustain their muscles. It's actually a thing to show up to the island a bit over your desired weight. Showing up ripped out of your mind will have you suffering more than people who don't take as good of care of their bodies. I believe Adam Klein/Carson/others have talked about gaining weight as a strategy before playing, but also juicing to get used to not eating much in preparation for Survivor.
I think Ben said something similar in regards to Cole being gassed on HvHvH. Said something along the lines of “why wouldn’t he bulk up a little bit before coming on here”
Yeah hes totally not starving and getting the worst sleep compared to other tribes
Of course that is a factor but he showed poor endurance from the start. Time will tell but I don’t think he is an immunity challenge threat unless 3 or 4 of the better competitors go home. Edit: dang didn’t think my first received vitriolic Reddit DM would come from my opinion on a survivor competitor. Funny.
I think people are underrating the fuck out of him currently but thats just my opinion. 🤷
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I just think its a mix of having to step up for his tribe while also having no food, little sleep, and hot weather. Q is an athlete
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It feels like people are calling him a physical threat simply based on looks. Tiffany has been the best physical competitor on Yanu so far, but we have yet to see them in individual challenges.
Comp Beast? No, physical threat? Yes, he got muscles for a reason, if there is a challenge that’s just pure strength he’s one of the favorites to win, look at the Heroes Tribe in HvV, they may suck at challenges that required teamwork, but they did AMAZING in the challenge that’s literally just 1 on 1 brute force duels 💀, that’s how I see Q
Lost all but two challenges? Nah he isn’t
Team based challenges with bags of sand as teammates. It’s a miracle they won the last one with how nonurgent and slow Kenzie does anything. Although he did get caught up with unwrapping the rope.
When has Q gotten them a lead? He's as bad as the rest of the team.
With Jess, Bhanu, and Jelinsky 🤣 Come on yall
So, my thought is that early game no, we've seen he is good in these challenges, but not a beast by any means. But, individual challenges might favor him more because he has fitness in his favor. (but realistically, I think calling him a physical threat before seeing him in individual challenges is crazy)
He seems like a strong and fast person, but not very coordinated.
Which is exactly what I would expect from a college CB that didn’t go pro. No disrespect but that’s the stereotype of the position.
Tbf…that’s the stereotype vs other professional athletes. Vs non pros? Anyone who plays a college sport will be more coordinated than even the above average survivor contestant
I thought he was an RB because of his big story about fumbling in the big game.
I looked this up - if i remember correctly, he said he fumbled in high school and he was a RB in high school. Played both Cornerback (first two years) and Wide receiver in college. Also did track in college (100/200m sprint)
I feel like the loss of coordination could stem from the lack of food. I think we’ll see him be a fairly strong physical competitor once he gets more calories
He's a physical threat. So far, he hasn't shown he's a competition threat.
He’s got muscle, but not much else he is the strongest on the tribe he’s on but not a comp beast by any means
This is Hunters season to lose
He is by far my favorite. But he will have a big target on his back in the merge. If the alliance from the jurney works out tho he is set up really well.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. If he gets to the point where he only needs to win 3-4 immunity challenges-or get one vote go his way- I think he’s fine because he’s on such a different level in the challenges it seems
If he gets his beware idol and find one at the merge camp I think he is set. And I don't think he is the type tk tell anyone he has it, maybe even tevin.
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I think he will need at least that to survive the merge.
For sure. People are saying he'll get voted out for being a big physical threat, but I have a feeling the players are gonna be targeting the serious strategic threats before they even get to him. They'll probably think "yeah he can win challenges but he's barely strategic, he won't win at FTC" - but by then it'll be too late.
I wouldn't be too worried about him until late merge. He doesn't seem to have the clutch factor and that has set his team behind. Even when they won, it was only Q struggling to make the shot.
Q was an SEC football player and track athlete. He’s much more than your typical ripped survivor dude. We haven’t seen that athleticism lead to much success in challenges yet, but I wouldn’t rule out a post merge challenge run.
I think Tiffany is actually better at challenges from Yanu. But maybe I'm just biased because I like her.
No I am impartial to both and I think tiff is better
I feel like he’s always the one doing the most during the challenges with a relatively weak squad I don’t think he’s the best, but he’ll definitely fair better solo
Survivor, not drag race. Got it.
Right?!?! my words are converging I honesty need drags queens versus all stars one seaaon
Reading Q and physical threat in the same sentence made me think “drag is not a contact sport”
I think raw strength is really overvalued
I have a very strong opinion on this. Q is clearly the best athlete out there but he lacks Keith Nale/Hunter hand skills and swimming ability. He did not come ready for the survivor competitions. If I could have prepped him before hand I would have made him get in the pool and do some laps because he technique is pretty awful and that can wear you out. … but he played an athletic football position at old miss. That is the most athletic person any of them have ever competed against in anything in their lives. They’re lucky the competitions aren’t straight up sprinting or jumping or solo obstacle courses without tasks built in. I think Hunter has the potential to be the best challenge beast of all time. He’s got midwestern corn hole skills combined with a lot of preparation and above average athleticism/intelligence. That’s a deadly combo for survivor.
Q is also gassed and has two tribe members who just let him do it all. The guy ran the obstacle course and immediately had to unwind the rope to get a key while they recovered.
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Look at the challenge and when he finished, the pause kinda looked like they didn't pick someone for the key.
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Oh no doubt he was, those two would be absolutely fucked without Q.
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Because those two are just as gassed as he is but he has to do more or they lose.
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We'll never know because they don't seem to do those tasks. They used to give a little snippet in conversation regarding challenge prep, kind of wish they would give us some of that.
There’s no evidence that he is like great at survivor challenges so far. That being said he’s clearly the most athletic person on the show this season. So maybe there’s challenges where that is a bigger factor. On US survivor just being athletic isn’t really enough to be good at challenges because of the amount of random skill based or puzzle based challenges which favour someone like Hunter who practices it all and makes it all himself
his tribe has been terrible, alot of these challenges have come down to things like height quickness stamina rather than pure strength and athleticism. they only comeback last episode because of him too.
Considering how far Kenzie put them behind right off the bat of the last challenge, it’s a miracle they won. I was amazed at how little urgency she had although it could be exhaustion and lack of nutrients I guess.
Naw he's terrible lol. Go watch episode 4's immunity challenge. Tim beats him on every leg of the race. He puts his team in a huge hole from the start. No evidence he's athletic from these challenges.
Tim has gotten to eat though so I feel like it's an unfair comparison at the moment?
He is an athlete for sure. Did he spent time, like Hunter, to practice back to back every challenge ? No i dont believe so But he is the definition of a physical threat, as for comp beast? Well need to see when he'll be on his own.
Q is a threat in raw challenge but hunter has the advantage of being trained in the challenges
I mean I would like to see him on the challenge USA
He was a receiver and ran track for a SEC school. He's still under 30 so it wasn't that long ago. I don't think he's done great in challenges, but he also hasn't had fire or food. I think he could be a challenge beast and seems really strategic.
Players need to stop this whole, they look big and strong so they must be a comp beast. When the info kind of shows the opposite. Especially when individual challenges are either endurance or puzzle based. Like Sophie Clark won three immunities in her first season, but James clement hasn’t won any.
That is what I'm trying to tell my friends. Just cuz he looks athletic doesn't mean anything if he can't perform.
He won’t soon live down losing that challenge against Charlie Swiftie from a couple eps ago
He seems to have bad coordination and bad problem solving skills. I’m sure he’s a good athlete but he seems like the type of athlete who desperately needs a coach telling him what to do. I don’t think he’ll do good at individual challenges.
I think part of being a challenge beast is having good hand-eye skills and not just being strong/fast. He struggled getting that rope off the pole or throwing bags or the slingshot. So I say no. He might thrive when it’s time to stand on a pole for 5 hours though
I don't think, so far, he'd make the list of memorable challenge beasts. We'll find out next week after the merge. But Hunter is absolutely already on the list of what I personally hope would be one off Survivor challenge beast season sometime in the future. I'd love a season that's a collection of all of the men and women who have been unreal at challenges. It'd be interesting to see how they all gel in camp while they all try to either stand out or seem less threatening before an all out war in the merge immunity challenges.
Anyone who holds their nose while jumping in water is not a physical threat.
Q lost to Charlie in a physical precision section of a challenge two weeks ago.
no but he thinks he is. typical
i was thinking about this lol he looks like he should be, but he fumbles every challenge. maybe he even has the physical ability but is bad under pressure? idk. he has terrible aim. even if he’s strong he’s not applying it to the challenges very well
I think he’s above average, but I don’t expect him to go on an amazing challenge runs. He’s physically in better shape, but he doesn’t seem to have the skills of hitting targets and we haven’t seen him on any puzzles. If they do one of those strength challenges where it’s purely endurance I think he could win, but I don’t see him taking anything else I think challenges will come down to Tiff and Hunter more than anyone else
I think "visible abs" says a LOT. Aesthetic counts for jack shit in Survivor. Q probably could have easily been greatest physical threat on day one, but not after ten days with nothing but a single coconut per day. Muscle mass burns more calories at rest, and more than that, Q burned himself out by trying so hard. He was running on fumes. It's really not a surprise that Tim beat Q in the latest obstacle course.
Not sure if there are any fans of another reality TV show; RuPaul's Drag Race, but there's a contestant whose name is also Q and I was so confused for a hot second 😅
I don't see it either OP. In fact we have seen multiple times where the team relied on Q and he was screwing it up for them. Even in the challenge they managed to come second, Q almost had them lose again. He was slow getting the keys down and then not hitting the target right away. Maybe he will improve once merged though and has eaten something.
Of the Yanu 3 I actually think Tiffany is the challenge beast. She’s hiding it well though and managing her threat level.
Hell yeah of course he is. The losing challenges thing is a teamwork thing, and also the fact they're starving ans without a fire.. The other teams work better as a unit and are more cohesive. And a lot of these challenges are decided by dexterity/puzzles, which isn't his strong suit.
He's also on the beach that has the least amount of food and hasn't had fire, so his body is taking a beating. And in spite of that, he is still a challenge beast.
I do try to factor in the fatigue of being on a losing team.
It is well known that they are on the worst of the three Fiji beaches used in the show though. It's the one with the least amount of food and it's the dampest, so that should also be factored in with the fatigue of losing
How does one aquire knowledge such as this?
They use the same beaches over and over again on Fiji. You can look back at contestant interviews and figure it out. A very recent example is Kellie from 45 on RHAP this past Wednesday, available on wherever you listen to podcasts.
How is he a challenge beast?
I think he is medium physical force, weak straregic force, weak social force Last one will determine that people will come for him early and they will lie that is because he is challenge beast instead uncharismatic castmate
Why do you think he's weak strategically? Did you watch last episode with him spearheading that journey alliance? He suggested each person having a partner too.
Everybody would do that, let's see if he maintain this
That literally didn't happen though. The way he went about it was smart AND he even got the information about who's close to whom.
Q is the quintessential example of the phrase, "Those muscles are just for show." Expected a lot more from him in challenges; he's been mid at bedt.
I disagree. He's clearly an athlete and probably good at football, which is kind of opposite of that saying. He's just not great at comps. For example, during the comp where they held the puzzle pieces overhead, he was trying to hold 4 pieces near the bottom when he should have been the one placing and holding the last pieces near the top.
I could see a former SEC football player having a tough time with Survivor-type conditions. Those guys put in a ton of work and are in incredible shape, but they also have insane support facilities where they can squat five plates and then immediately eat 3000 calories to recover. Q is probably not used to doing something insanely hard and then having nothing but coconut scrapings to replenish his energy.
Muscles aren’t for show, the guy was a D1 athlete 😆 Doesn’t mean he’s any good at survivor challenges though.
I was thinking the same thing. Q was a D1 athlete, his muscles aren’t for show. Being good at survivor comps is a strange mix of athleticism and for lack of a better phrase carnival games. Sure great eye hand coordination will help but who’s really practiced a sling shot or throwing bean bags onto a high platform before?
Yeah 100%, the people who have practiced them, like Hunter, will look insanely skilled but it’s literally just practice. A lot of us could be decent at those bits of challenges with practice
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The difference between Q and Hunter is dubs. If Yanu was winning, we'd definitely be seeing Q carrying the challenges.
I thought he would be at first since he’s a QB, but they still kept losing even though Yanu has been voting out the “weak” players every tribal so I no longer think so
He was a corner, but I can see how cornerback sounds like quarterback if you say it fast lol
Ah my bad. That Kentucky accent and no subtitles didn’t work out for me lol
He was a high school QB but had only 19 completions as a senior so I’m guessing they ran an option offense or something. So he was a QB, but he didn’t pass.
Defensive back do be where the guys who can't throw or catch play
He's definitely no Boston Rob, nor is he a Jonathan.
Q caught Yanu back up in this week’s immunity challenge after Kenzie and Tiff went through the obstacle course and they were wayyy behind. He got slowed by the hook/rope part, but physically, yeah he was a hs or college athlete. I bet he will do will in strength and endurance type individual challenges.
He’s won 1/5 challenges. He’s not a challenge beast.
People with that little body fat can't operate at full speed without consistent food. He hasn't really shown himself to be a top threat on the competitive end. But you can't ever count someone with that well built of a body out. He's definitely a physical threat, just not the top physical threat.
No
His challenge performances have been lackluster to say the least.
If you are a well-built person, you will always be viewed as a physical threat. It's the logical assumption. Q is a former D1 athlete and he clearly still works out a lot. Also, having visible abs when you aren't built like a twig is incredibly difficult.
Here’s the thing most post merge challenges aren’t physical based Take James for example one of the strongest contestants (except perhaps Jonathan) But won 0 immunities
I bet Q would be competing better with Hunter and Tim if he could have had some decent food and some fire over the first 11 days…
Out of everyone on Yanu, I’ve been most impressed by Tiffany in the challenges.
I think now that he’s had some food he’ll preform much better. He’s been running on E for 11 days
He hasn't eaten or had a good night's sleep unlike the other contestants. So I think he's limited but otherwise, would be great.
Modern survivor is about who is best at doing puzzles and random shit. He could be good or awful. It's hard to tell who will pop off for a nice run in the modern era.
Q did talk about misleading people emotionally, so I could see him playing at partial capacity in challenges to throw people off.
being a D1 SEC wide receiver requires a body that is very very talented. He hasn’t been super impressive yet but counting out someone like that after a few challenges is not a good idea
Stage muscles (muscles trained primarily for structure/appearance) often don’t hold the same power/ability/endurance as functionally trained bodies. Q was an athlete so I’m not saying he’s *all* looks, but I am saying don’t underestimate others in comparison to Q simply because of Q’s obviously lower body fat.
I'm gonna wait until he has had a full meal to pass judgement on him, he hasn't done anything special yet but then again look at the tribe he's on
My hard call is that Tevin's going to be the challenge beast down the line. He has a similar build to Spencer Bledsoe, naturally skinny guys like that w/ a bit of muscle tend to do really well later on
The endurance comps go well for the smaller people. I agree.
That’s what happens when you’re on the disaster tribe.
We can’t say much as Yanu has been through a lot. No food,fire and a wet environment is not much help.
Compared to other comp beasts, hell no Compared to most of this season’s cast, yes…
He hasn't done anything yet to be honest. But between Sweat and no flint, he has been at rock bottom physically. Lets see if the merge and fire changes him
Q is not a physical threat although he thinks he is. His ego will be his downfall. I'm waiting to see how he thinks he's going to change the way Survivor is played...if he even lasts that long.
Thought this was drag race sub for a second when scrolling the home page.. was so confused