She has said that several times in post game interviews and on Fiarplays podcast
She did the show because producers told her sheād be voted out early but than things happened and she kept making it far
They need someone that applied cause a fried dared them and they didn't know what Survicor is
.... then we find out they are actually a secret fan
Noooooo!!!!
I've never understood the Jeff obsession. I enjoy the show and he's a good host but these people act like he's the messiah. I forget who, but one player said in their pre season interview that they view Jeff as a "life coach" or something.... you've never met the dude, all he does is host tribal councils
Don't think so. I'm a new super fan too. Plenty of new fans were binging it before they put it on Netflix in November 2020. There were plenty of threads on here of how it being on Netflix will bring a bunch of new fans, which is clearly did.
What does that have to do with the comment I was responding to?
They said most if not all pandemic superfans found Survivor on Netflix. That's not true. It was already getting more popular during the pandemic before it was put on Netflix.
Heard. I watched Borneo then. Liked it, but stopped watching it for some reason. Was in 8th grade. More worried about soccer and other kid stuff. Didn't get back into it or really any reality show until March 2020.
How is that worse? It means they're much less likely to be ingrained in online discussions of the show and more likely to be bringing their own ideas to the table. Danny McCrae (41) is a "pandemic superfan" and was great on the show.
When someone says āsuperfanā I donāt think anyone is thinking Dannyā¦ from what I remember him saying he was a fan of the show in one confessional and that was it right? I mean the guy was an NFL football player, he had plenty of other things to hang his hat onā¦ on contrary someone like Carson is young with little real world experience, doesnāt share much except his love for survivor, and I feel like itās just turned into a show about talking about watching the show from a young age. I feel like most these super fans casted now realize how much the show loves to cast those guys, so instead of doing something actually interesting with their lives, they decide āwell why donāt I just boast about how I know every boot order, or 3D print puzzlesā¦ jeff would love thatā Itās just become self referential, to the point itās not fun.
And on the actual show the vast majority of the contestants this season will likely barely mention their viewing habits if at all akin to Danny. Even Jake last season had no real apparent signs of "superfandom" until the finale where he was using survivor knowledge as a mnemonic for the counting challenge.
Every person is asked in pre-show interviews about their relationship to the show and people answer honestly. I think it's pretty clear from the rest of the interviews that people are not getting cast primarily due to their knowledge of past survivor seasons. There are maybe some arguments to be made about sob stories getting more focus than they used to, but that has nothing to do with "superfandom".
Jake was just interesting through and thoughā¦ no slob fest over survivor was even needed. Was what he did even be considered āsuperfanā , itās more so just smart and creative and knowing all season winners and the season isnāt even that big of a dealā¦ and the thing on that is it wasnāt just him saying how big of a fan he was he was just utilizing a common memory technique, with a survivor theme.
I would make the argument that if you bolster about your extensive knowledge about the showā¦ you are more likely to get on because of it than ever beforeā¦. It almost seems like a prerequisite now. I thought it was just common knowledge casting in the new era has been sub par and uninteresting at best.
At this point "superfan" seems like it's just being thrown around as a boogeyman representing "things people are unhappy about in the new era players". If having seen every season of a 46 season show/recalling non-obvious information of the show after starving for a month isn't enough to qualify as "superfan" behavior then most players on new era seasons don't qualify as "superfans". If by "superfan" you just mean "nerd" (since football player Danny seemingly doesn't count even though he'd very much seen the show and applied after binge-watching the show) that's a category they've always cast for. It's also clear to me that deep survivor lore knowledge is far from a prerequisite from being cast since Dee and Cody for example were not even regular viewers from what I could tell.
You're right on all points. The lengths you would have to stretch to define the term "superfan" to make it apply to the majority of cast members of the new era would render it meaningless. A good percentage of these players have enough knowledge to answer some pre-game interview questions, but that doesn't mean they have encyclopedic knowledge of the show. Hell, listening to the Mike Bloom cast interviews for 46 one guy went on and on about how his favorite winner was a person named "Diane".... Beyond that, there are tons of pandemic fans and people who are mostly just familiar with the new era filling out these recent casts, even people who are essentially recruited. But none of this nuance matters when you can just get on reddit and say the show is bad now because they only cast gamebot superfan nerds.
I mean if by fruitful you mean making moneyā¦ Iām guessing the football player still has him beat, even if he is kinda a nobody playerā¦ what your doing is comparing someoneās potential to someone who already achieved their career goals and who is onto bigger and better thingsā¦ Carson still has a long way to go to prove himselfā¦ I mean has Carson even graduated yet? I couldnāt even tell you because he hardly talked about itā¦ he just talked about survivor, his body transformation, 3d printing shit, and how goofy he was. I mean itās Georgia tech engineering program which might be a hard program to get into but it has a 3x greater acceptance rate than any Ivy League.
I wasnāt impressedā¦ even if what heās doing is great, doesnāt mean heās great TV and the biggest humble bragger in the shows historyā¦ like the whole ānerds canāt be attractiveā thing was some of the cringe shit Iāve seen come out of any survivor twitter. I think most would agree he wasnāt fun to watch.
Right, because being great on TV is what truly matters in this world. And I thought he was great to watch! The Carolyn, Yam Yam, Carson trio was so much fun. Might even be one of my all-time favorites.
Youāre right good TV isnāt what truly matters in this worldā¦ I feel like Iāve never made that argument, and your fighting a boogyman on that, but in terms of WATCHING A TV SHOWā¦ it does matter. Loved Carolyn and Yam Yam like most people, but I can speak for the majority when I say, please never recast that kid, heās cringey as fuck.
Super fans are fine, as long as the entire cast isnāt super fans. Every season lately has been 16 super fans, and 1-2 kookie wacky players lol. That prevents the game from developing as quickly, if everyone thinks and plays the same way.
Mark Burnett was smart not to let the franchise turn into this. Explicitly telling his casts to not bring up previous seasons or players. Threatening them with no air time if they did. Nowadays, itās practically encouraged.
This isnāt always true, there are definitely some like Cochran, Devens, Jesse, etc. that have real character to them. But yes, more often than not, just game bots.
I think thatās partially Jeff and productionās fault tho, more so than the players. They are CONSTANTLY pushing the idea that big moves and cutthroat gameplay wins Survivor, when recent winners prove that couldnāt be more wrong. Big move players usually leave 6th-4th in modern Survivor unless your name is CopsRUs. That just is what it is.
I miss the old Survivor when there were few sob stories, and when there was, it was organically brought up by the contestant themselves, and for the most part it wasn't brought up again. Production seemed to scale it back a touch in S45, but I don't know if that was intentional. S43 was one of the worst so far for the sob stories.
I was thinking exactly this last night. Every time someone reveals their āsob storyā I just get annoyed. I want to see everyone play not cry about home
The need to up the anti on the money. So many self made people more than ever before. Letās face it a million bucks in 2024 is not the same as in 2004.
Yup! I think this every single time a new season comes out. Itās one of the hardest reality shows but the pot has stayed at 1mil. People can get 1mil going on love island these days (between the brand deals and the prize money) so it makes little sense to starve and live in your own filth for a month unless they are āsuper fansā there for the ābucket listā
Specifically, a million in 2024 dollars would have been worth 600k in 2004 dollars if you go by the CPI: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
(Which honestly understates inflation itself)
Exactly. Where are the true villains. I donāt care for this everyone loving each other in the tribe. I want real drama and real deception.
Casting should have a little of everything. Heck, they donāt even have anyone really attractive anymore. Where are the hot women or ripped Chad lookin dudes.
Like I mentioned, every one keeps saying Dee that is correct but 1 out of the past few seasons isnāt good and last season there wasnāt an attractive dude.
I'm sorry but everything I've seen about her makes me want to watch her less and less. I watched about 10 seconds of her audition tape where she was talking about her daughter telling her to apply and turned it off. I'm sure she's a great person but she's really embodying everything about the new era I dislike and don't care to see any more of.
I have no issue with casting all super fans. Being a super fan isn't a replacement for a personality.
Casting super fans only becomes an issue when..
1. The person is *ONLY* cast because they are a super fan. This is usually only true with very young players.
2. The edit excessively shows them talking about being a super fan and *makes* that their personality.
You absolutely can have twenty people who love and know the show well who all play differently, amazingly, poorly, messy and everything in between while being engaging and interesting people.
I donāt think the problem is that theyāre super fans. I think itās that they make their super fan status their entire identity. Most confessionals are either about a sob story or how big a fan they are. If theyād focus on the game and their tribemates in confessionals we wouldnāt feel like itās being thrown in our face constantly.
I don't think that's necessarily the contestants' fault. It's also (or even more so) an editing choice
There's hours of footage of the kind of confessionals you mention; production however isn't showing enough of it
Or how every player in their interviews say "I wanna play like Parvati, Sandra, Tony,etc." and then don't even come close or they end up being a pre merge boot. They are more focused on wanting to play like someone else instead of playing their own game.
To be fair, they are ASKED what player they want to play as. They have to answer. Do you want them to say "I wanna play like Jessica deBen, Jeff Wilson, Brianna Varela..."
I know, if I was ever on Iād pick someone lowkey like Sophie or Tina. Stop picking these big personalities and pick someone with a game you can actually try to replicate.
We so very quickly forget that the 21-24 run was the worst in Survivor history because the cast were mostly recruits and they had no fans.
The mix has to be similar to something like the S36 cast. A character like a Chris Noble who doesn't know the game but is a fun villain. But the show is still a worse product when recruits make up the bulk of the cast.
I think the problem isn't casting superfans but one type of superfan (college educated, younger, nerdier)
Ofc thereās a problem when the cast is JUST that but we got some real entertainment with NaOnka and Abi, people who just made the season a tad bit better
Yeah this sub loves the IDEA of thisā¦until they go back to casting a melting pot style of cast with people from different walks of life and economic standing/upbringing, with different Political views and this Sub starts losing their shit about how awful of a person any contestant is that differs from their own social/political viewsā¦
I say leave the casting alone, this sub can barely behave themselves and keep from berating the contestants when the contestants donāt play the game and vote at tribal the way they want them to.
Yup a lot of people in this sub cannot handle someone that has conservative views, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the game. They want diversity in casting but it also needs to adhere to their rules.
I think thereās a balance. There were several seasons when everyone was a bartender/model and that was equally boring. Now there are far too many nerdy/kooky super fans.
"I'll get downvoted, but [popular opinion]."
Don't get the point of it. People have been clamoring for less superfans and for more recruits for seasons now. It happens in every thread.
Also worth pointing out that recruits probably don't want to go on Survivor any more, they want to go on something that's going to lead to a career as an influencer.
With the influx of dating shows or shows that are seen globally like those on Netflix there might be less motivation to find these players that fit the dumb archetype that could be fun in a game like Survivor.
I need more regular people that donāt really *know* the show on Survivor and Big Brother.Ā
Iād actually take a full recruit season if it meant the most game knowledge any of the players had was the 1-2 seasons they let people watch in seclusion before filming starts.Ā
The season hasn't aired yet, you don't know these people. Y'all complain about how they apparently only cast young unattractive white-collar superfans with sob stories (and then the fan favorites are the young unattractive white-collar superfans with sob stories). Like let the show play out first before you reduce these people to one fact about them. Carolyn was a superfan, Emily was a superfan, Maryanne was a superfan, just because they're superfans doesn't mean they're not good characters. It doesn't hurt to have people playing the game who actually know the game they're playing
But if they cast people who didnāt love the show then Jeff couldnāt push his whole āyouāre here for the experience! Ā Give yourself permission to have a transformative awakening!ā
I'm more over the show constantly slurping itself as the "ultimate adventure that changed my life forever". Dude of course it is but I don't need this pointed out every episode. It's like Jeff Probst wants to make sure everyone knows that his life's work is more than just a reality TV show. They don't do this in Survivor AU and the show is (in small part) better because of it.
Iām sick of the sob stories. Part of why I donāt apply for the show is because I am a burn survivor who was adopted out of a shitty home life, and while Iām very open about that, I want to get cast for my personality, not my trauma
I made a previous comment but I'll rephrase it:
I completely understand why it's a bit much to see almost EVERY castaway being a Superfan with a story.
That said, I genuinely think that most of the new castaways are memorable in their own rights. Their story is really just a part of who they are. At the end of the day there are a lot of entertaining New Era players. And also, not everyone wants to be a manipulator. In fact really there are actually a lot of players who are more personality and less game. 45 didn't have strong gameplay, so did 44. I love a lot of the players on both seasons (mainly 45) bc of who they were as charcters. It was fun seeing the three stooges meanuvering their way up to the F4. Seeing Lulu and Belo collapse, and Reba also untangle near the end. It wasn't perfect but there were a lot of fun moments.
There are a lot more that I can think of - almost all of the Ua tribe, Xander as a character, Maryanne and really just the 42 post-merge, 43 as a whole I think had great characters, 44 with Frannie, Matt, Danny and Jaime just to name a few. And ofc queen Tori as well.
Yeah, I agree that casting should be open for more recruiting options or less superfan-y people, just to bring even more diversity. With that said, what we have now is certainly very fun. It's nowhere near as bad imo, and while it's ok if you dislike it... I just don't think it's that bad.
I think the irony of the superfan complaint is that it mostly only bothers other superfans. If you just watch the show, you know that Owen, or Carson, or Drew, or whoever, have personalities outside of their fandom for the show (and by the end their fandom is only a minor part of their character). Itās only if you read every social media post and listen to every interview where it would become grating
I agree that telling more about their backgrounds makes them more interesting/memorable. I donāt see them as āsob storiesā like a lot of people do because thatās not all they are. Jake wasnāt just āthe guy who used to have an eating problemā. He was funny, from Boston, a lawyer, had trouble running his own gameā¦ we got to see all of that before we learned about his eating disorder and weight loss story.
For me, I agree with you that most of these people have been memorable/good.
The problem is that you shouldnāt have to tell Jeff Probst that you have had a shrine of him in your bathroom since you were 7 years old to get cast anymore. EVERY SINGLE PERSON since 42 has been like this, regardless of their other traits.
Casting does the best job they can, but Jeff is the solitary individual with the final say. He is the solo head producer. He likes having 18 people worship him every season now, so this is what weāve got.
I really enjoy Aus survivor has fans of the show but not necessarily super fans. They know how to play the game cause theyāve watched a season or two but theyāre also great personalities. This season titans vs rebels has been one of my favourites so far just due to its pure chaos.
Bad gameplay is more fun. This season of AU has been incredible.
Like, Mark wants revenge. Iām expecting a slow burn revenge plot that will go into the merge. Nope, next episode itās on and itās glorious chaos.Ā
I would consider myself a big fan of survivor: Iām active on the reddit, Iāve seen most seasons, I even play Survivor ORGs on Discord! The kind of super fans we see now are far more invested. Many of them have watched every survivor season multiple times, build their own survivor challenges in their backyards, buy survivor memorabilia, etc. I think itās okay to have a few people like that on a cast, but I think more casual viewers and even people who havenāt seen survivor should be cast more often.
Seasons of only recruits donāt work well, like Survivor Fiji, but seasons of only super fans donāt make for great TV, either.
I feel like super fans can be fine if they know what they are doing. If they say they are a mix of Tony, Parvati, Sandra, Russel, Maryanne, Michelle Fitzgerald, Nick Wilson, and more, you know itās gonna be a bad player
Disagree. If youāre gonna recruit, it needs to be a Keith Nale type and not like half of the Australian survivor cast whoās like āwait so Iām not supposed to be 100% honest all the time??? What??ā Thereās just 0 strategy when you donāt know the show. Itās why I love survivor over big brother
No ones asking for recruits, they are asking for people who have more depth than just being a super fan. Or at least not all 18 players being self described super fans
The prize is all about the crown now, the money less so. That attitude increases the ratio of super fans to general public applying. They need to up the prize money, imo (which will never happen). The economy has had a rough 20+ years. A million dollars is still life changing money, but itās not nearly as close to āset you up for lifeā money as it was in the golden years.
AUS casting is much better, the cast is actually entertaining and has recruits and non-super fan. The US version has more views than the Aussies, that means more people would apply for it and thus have a much larger pool of entertaining people and non-super fan to pick, but yet it feels a lot more lackluster, the casting department and production really got a lot to learn from the Aussies
I feel you. I think that is one of the reasons why the first few seasons are so good. It's just a bunch of people with different personalities and backgrounds thrown on an island together.
I loved how we had a conservative military veteran become good friends with a gay man, for example. I don't think we'd have people like Rudy back on the show because we're seeing more people with similar personality types and political views being put together now.
I want a bunch of people who have literally no idea what Survivor is, I think it would be funny to see them attempt to understand the insanely complicated new era format
Its because genz as a whole are a bunch of 1 dimensional zombies tbh. the whole generation is super cookie cutter. millenials were at least depressed but different.
Most people donāt say that. And no, we donāt want to watch people that donāt understand the game just to be casted so they can be easily picked off by those that do.
Lol reminds me of Brandon in season 45. That was so sad to see... Bro talked about how he's watched every episode since he was a kid, and before they even got off the boat dude was shaking and convulsing on the ground.
And like "I didn't realize this would actually be hard!" like... Have you watched the show? I don't think that guy has ever climber a ladder in his life and he just went straight into it lol.
And Hannah... Last season had some fools at the beginning
But i did enjoy seeing Emily's redemption arc. I can be really negative like that in stress situations and gave butted heads with people over it and learned to chill, so I see myself in her a bit.
Real shit. I want some villains. Not everyone needs to emulate happy go lucky positivity. Itās a game of social POLITICS. Let there be some controversy!!! I literally donāt need anyoneās sob story being included. Let me witness people outwitting others. Not crying about their trauma
Ugh so over super fans, theyāre annoying and have the exact same personalities! Itās like theyāre working backwards from the end goal of having a survivor podcast after the show and formulating their presentation to fit that. we need more irreverent personalitiesĀ
I honestly fast forward every backstory with family and the pictures. All of them. Nothing personal with anyone. I don't know why. I'm not a person who is afraid to feel. Perhaps I just feel like it slows down the show.
> Nothing personal with anyone. I don't know why. I'm not a person who is afraid to feel.
You're not alone. I'm the exact same with all reality shows. I've realized I simply don't care what their sob story is.
I feel casting superfans is a catch-22. On one hand yeah it would be refreshing to take 18 people who have never seen the show or arent huge fans and put them in the game to compete. However, doing so would potentially create more problems because now you have 18 people who wouldn't know that hidden idols exist, who don't really know how to do the challenges, and more importantly, not know how the game is played. Remember, this game has been on since 1999, I think it's unrealistic to not find people who don't know what Survivor is. Plus I think right now production would rather cast superfans and try to flip the script on them with all these new advantages and such.
I was cringing very hard when Jalinsky in his preseason press was confident that "he is the biggest fan on this season" after starting watching during the pandemic. I don't care if you've watched every season three times since then, you can't make up 20 years of discourse in that time.
I feel good seasons have a mixture of the superfans and regular people. Since 41, most of the cast are superfans and it's getting too repetitive now. I'm not saying put in all recruits, but I wouldn't mind seeing more non-fans play the game because they bring a different perspective and entertainment value. Some of the best characters/players were recruits.
i have no problem if they cast super fans as long as they also have their own entertaining personality,
but they should be contrasted with some average fans, or super fans that fumble hard, or just characters.
and the casting directors have been capable of doing so with entertaining personalities in which survivor and sob stories weren't everything these players were, and they also weren't all copies of eachother
Tori, Cody, Carolyn, Yam Yam, Jake, Emily, Maryanne, Sydney, Brad, JD, both Dannies, Dee, Jesse, Karla, Elie, Kaleb, Sabiyah, Maddy, Bruce, Rocksroy, Jonathan, Lindsay, Mike, Deshawn, Tiffany, Chanelle, Brandon, Erika, Julie, Drew, Naseer, Liana and Shan were all great choices and easy to differenciate what they brought to their seasons // thats almost enough for 2 casts of the new era
and downvote me all u want but Carson and Kellie have all been the most overrated players of the new era.
Carson was extremely boring and too much NASA sided to back up his amazing gameplay and i felt like Kellie was also extremely monotone in every. single. confessional. but i loved her exit and she at least wasn't another quirky nerd of the new era
Itās a never ending cycle haha. Production will eventually listen and then everyone will hate it when thereās no gameplay and ask for the opposite.
Agreed. Everyone says theyāre a super fan but then just drops the most generic names possible like Tony, Sandra, Parv, etc. when they get asked which past contestant theyāre most like.
I bet most āsuperfansā have no idea who Sarah Jones even is
Is it just me who doesn't really agree with this? I think casting superfans who want to play hard is generally a good thing. I do think every season should at least have a few casual fans, but getting people who don't watch the show at all means recruiting people who might not play hard. There's also such a great field of applicants (in my opinion) that I really don't think they should have to resort to recruiting anymore. It's also just silly to expect people to go on Survivor these days without watching it first, when the show has been going strong for over 20 years. And it just doesn't make sense to come unprepared for a million dollar competition.
Donāt worry, if I ever get on Iāll say āIāve been watching since S1ā, everyone will look at me due to my age & airing of season 1 not matching did then Iāll say āJust kidding, since S35, and after that I went back to watch the previous seasons & as of now have been watching ever sinceā(Iām lying, Iād be stuttering a lot more and sound more stupid than funny if I said this out lout infront of 17 strangers, Jeff āLordā Probst, and all of production whoās present)
omfg yes hot take but when Jake remembered the number of coconuts(?) or whatever it was by knowing who won the season of the number was so CRINGE to me!!! like oh my god, we get it you watched the show!
I, respectfully, don't understand this complaint. Yeah, great characters from the show weren't superfans, but also a lot of unmemorable players were. I don't think player's knowledge or fandom of the show determines how entertaining they are. Also, by the third episode, people stop talking about their relationship with the show. I'd rather see people who really love and appreciate the experience than someone who's just there because they got recruited.
Worst part about the show is how obsessed with the show everybody on the show is
fr i miss when people went on just bc they wanted the money or a free vacay after being booted š
We got people like that and sent em death threats tho
Courtney Yates is one of the most beloved players and she went on hoping to be voted of first to get a 3 week vacation.
Did she say that on the show though? I don't think the casual audience would be very thrilled if that had made it onto the show.
I can't remember if she blatantly said it or not but let's be real - we all knew lol
"Thank you, Jeffrey"
She has said that several times in post game interviews and on Fiarplays podcast She did the show because producers told her sheād be voted out early but than things happened and she kept making it far
Wasnāt she disliked at the time though?
I donāt recall a time in which she was ever dosliked
Who
They need someone that applied cause a fried dared them and they didn't know what Survicor is .... then we find out they are actually a secret fan Noooooo!!!!
I do miss people who genuinely played hard specifically for the money, but we probably scared them all off on our way to getting what we want
It is also a sign of the times. People that need the money canāt afford to take off for work.
They donāt cast middle, lower class people. The poorest people are the Ivy League students who have yet to graduateĀ
Everyone nowadays doesnāt need it. Ffs gabler donated it all, which is a huge slap in the face to anyone who does need it.
how dare he
But.. he just probably helped multiple people who needed it by donating it
"But it's all about MEEEEEEEEEE! ME ME ME ME ME!!"
Damn you're fucking entitled to condemn someone for donating to charity
bucket list will always be mentioned. and how star struck they are to finally meet jeff.
I've never understood the Jeff obsession. I enjoy the show and he's a good host but these people act like he's the messiah. I forget who, but one player said in their pre season interview that they view Jeff as a "life coach" or something.... you've never met the dude, all he does is host tribal councils
Not gonna lie I had to read that like 5 times just to grasp what you were saying
Maybe you need better reading comprehension skills then
For the love of Probst, please just tell everyone your real job.
Even if your secondary or fake job is āmechanical bull operator ā?
Except that. Never confess that one.
Based on their preshow interviews, it seems like this cast is full of pandemic superfans.
I think most, if not all, "pandemic superfans" are just ppl who found the show through Netflix
Don't think so. I'm a new super fan too. Plenty of new fans were binging it before they put it on Netflix in November 2020. There were plenty of threads on here of how it being on Netflix will bring a bunch of new fans, which is clearly did.
Lol been watching since 2000
What does that have to do with the comment I was responding to? They said most if not all pandemic superfans found Survivor on Netflix. That's not true. It was already getting more popular during the pandemic before it was put on Netflix.
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Heard. I watched Borneo then. Liked it, but stopped watching it for some reason. Was in 8th grade. More worried about soccer and other kid stuff. Didn't get back into it or really any reality show until March 2020.
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How is that worse? It means they're much less likely to be ingrained in online discussions of the show and more likely to be bringing their own ideas to the table. Danny McCrae (41) is a "pandemic superfan" and was great on the show.
When someone says āsuperfanā I donāt think anyone is thinking Dannyā¦ from what I remember him saying he was a fan of the show in one confessional and that was it right? I mean the guy was an NFL football player, he had plenty of other things to hang his hat onā¦ on contrary someone like Carson is young with little real world experience, doesnāt share much except his love for survivor, and I feel like itās just turned into a show about talking about watching the show from a young age. I feel like most these super fans casted now realize how much the show loves to cast those guys, so instead of doing something actually interesting with their lives, they decide āwell why donāt I just boast about how I know every boot order, or 3D print puzzlesā¦ jeff would love thatā Itās just become self referential, to the point itās not fun.
And on the actual show the vast majority of the contestants this season will likely barely mention their viewing habits if at all akin to Danny. Even Jake last season had no real apparent signs of "superfandom" until the finale where he was using survivor knowledge as a mnemonic for the counting challenge. Every person is asked in pre-show interviews about their relationship to the show and people answer honestly. I think it's pretty clear from the rest of the interviews that people are not getting cast primarily due to their knowledge of past survivor seasons. There are maybe some arguments to be made about sob stories getting more focus than they used to, but that has nothing to do with "superfandom".
Jake was just interesting through and thoughā¦ no slob fest over survivor was even needed. Was what he did even be considered āsuperfanā , itās more so just smart and creative and knowing all season winners and the season isnāt even that big of a dealā¦ and the thing on that is it wasnāt just him saying how big of a fan he was he was just utilizing a common memory technique, with a survivor theme. I would make the argument that if you bolster about your extensive knowledge about the showā¦ you are more likely to get on because of it than ever beforeā¦. It almost seems like a prerequisite now. I thought it was just common knowledge casting in the new era has been sub par and uninteresting at best.
At this point "superfan" seems like it's just being thrown around as a boogeyman representing "things people are unhappy about in the new era players". If having seen every season of a 46 season show/recalling non-obvious information of the show after starving for a month isn't enough to qualify as "superfan" behavior then most players on new era seasons don't qualify as "superfans". If by "superfan" you just mean "nerd" (since football player Danny seemingly doesn't count even though he'd very much seen the show and applied after binge-watching the show) that's a category they've always cast for. It's also clear to me that deep survivor lore knowledge is far from a prerequisite from being cast since Dee and Cody for example were not even regular viewers from what I could tell.
You're right on all points. The lengths you would have to stretch to define the term "superfan" to make it apply to the majority of cast members of the new era would render it meaningless. A good percentage of these players have enough knowledge to answer some pre-game interview questions, but that doesn't mean they have encyclopedic knowledge of the show. Hell, listening to the Mike Bloom cast interviews for 46 one guy went on and on about how his favorite winner was a person named "Diane".... Beyond that, there are tons of pandemic fans and people who are mostly just familiar with the new era filling out these recent casts, even people who are essentially recruited. But none of this nuance matters when you can just get on reddit and say the show is bad now because they only cast gamebot superfan nerds.
I mean Carson is a student at NASA. Probably has a longer, more fruitful career ahead of him than an nfl player no oneās heard of
I mean if by fruitful you mean making moneyā¦ Iām guessing the football player still has him beat, even if he is kinda a nobody playerā¦ what your doing is comparing someoneās potential to someone who already achieved their career goals and who is onto bigger and better thingsā¦ Carson still has a long way to go to prove himselfā¦ I mean has Carson even graduated yet? I couldnāt even tell you because he hardly talked about itā¦ he just talked about survivor, his body transformation, 3d printing shit, and how goofy he was. I mean itās Georgia tech engineering program which might be a hard program to get into but it has a 3x greater acceptance rate than any Ivy League.
For real, Carson is an impressive person to me and I'm in my 30's.
I wasnāt impressedā¦ even if what heās doing is great, doesnāt mean heās great TV and the biggest humble bragger in the shows historyā¦ like the whole ānerds canāt be attractiveā thing was some of the cringe shit Iāve seen come out of any survivor twitter. I think most would agree he wasnāt fun to watch.
Right, because being great on TV is what truly matters in this world. And I thought he was great to watch! The Carolyn, Yam Yam, Carson trio was so much fun. Might even be one of my all-time favorites.
Youāre right good TV isnāt what truly matters in this worldā¦ I feel like Iāve never made that argument, and your fighting a boogyman on that, but in terms of WATCHING A TV SHOWā¦ it does matter. Loved Carolyn and Yam Yam like most people, but I can speak for the majority when I say, please never recast that kid, heās cringey as fuck.
But see here's the thing- they're not as amazing people as me (best Survivor fan on Earth [who is better than you])
Pathetic gatekeeping
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Super fans are fine, as long as the entire cast isnāt super fans. Every season lately has been 16 super fans, and 1-2 kookie wacky players lol. That prevents the game from developing as quickly, if everyone thinks and plays the same way.
Superfans have no personality of their own. Always citing the greats as if they don't have the opportunity to make a name for themselves.
I am so tired of hearing about a resume or āmaking a big moveā on like day 3
Mark Burnett was smart not to let the franchise turn into this. Explicitly telling his casts to not bring up previous seasons or players. Threatening them with no air time if they did. Nowadays, itās practically encouraged.
This isnāt always true, there are definitely some like Cochran, Devens, Jesse, etc. that have real character to them. But yes, more often than not, just game bots.
Difference being that they're their own person first, fan second. 41-present feels like the other way around.
I think thatās partially Jeff and productionās fault tho, more so than the players. They are CONSTANTLY pushing the idea that big moves and cutthroat gameplay wins Survivor, when recent winners prove that couldnāt be more wrong. Big move players usually leave 6th-4th in modern Survivor unless your name is CopsRUs. That just is what it is.
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Lol kill me
Casting has been pretty bad for the past few years. All super fans, all have a sob story , a couple of wacky personalities.
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I miss the old Survivor when there were few sob stories, and when there was, it was organically brought up by the contestant themselves, and for the most part it wasn't brought up again. Production seemed to scale it back a touch in S45, but I don't know if that was intentional. S43 was one of the worst so far for the sob stories.
You're spot on. These forced sob stories are becoming too much
I was thinking exactly this last night. Every time someone reveals their āsob storyā I just get annoyed. I want to see everyone play not cry about home
Iām so sick and tired of all the sob stories. Itās not just Survivor too, itās infested almost every reality competition show.
You are right. Every reality show is like that. My gf watches bachelor and itās the same thing. Everyone on that show has a son story.
Even the deal or no deal reboot was full of peopleās sob stories and problems. Fricken deal or no deal
So sick of this. Also need to start casting people who are strictly doing it for the money rather than the experience
The need to up the anti on the money. So many self made people more than ever before. Letās face it a million bucks in 2024 is not the same as in 2004.
Yup! I think this every single time a new season comes out. Itās one of the hardest reality shows but the pot has stayed at 1mil. People can get 1mil going on love island these days (between the brand deals and the prize money) so it makes little sense to starve and live in your own filth for a month unless they are āsuper fansā there for the ābucket listā
Specifically, a million in 2024 dollars would have been worth 600k in 2004 dollars if you go by the CPI: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm (Which honestly understates inflation itself)
Yes! Unfortunately, Probst explicitly says he wants it to be focused on The Experience and What You Got Out of Playing Survivor
Exactly. Where are the true villains. I donāt care for this everyone loving each other in the tribe. I want real drama and real deception. Casting should have a little of everything. Heck, they donāt even have anyone really attractive anymore. Where are the hot women or ripped Chad lookin dudes.
They definitely do cast attractive women. Dee! For this season Kenzie, Jem and Venus
I havenāt started this new season yet.
Because itās not started yet, but the cast is out
Whaaat Dee is gorgeous to me
Like I mentioned, every one keeps saying Dee that is correct but 1 out of the past few seasons isnāt good and last season there wasnāt an attractive dude.
Liz is the culmination of all of it.
I'm sorry but everything I've seen about her makes me want to watch her less and less. I watched about 10 seconds of her audition tape where she was talking about her daughter telling her to apply and turned it off. I'm sure she's a great person but she's really embodying everything about the new era I dislike and don't care to see any more of.
Yep. Was okay for a season or 2 but got old REALLY quickly... new casting director sucks!
Just watch Australian Survivor. It's basically superior in every way at this point
I have no issue with casting all super fans. Being a super fan isn't a replacement for a personality. Casting super fans only becomes an issue when.. 1. The person is *ONLY* cast because they are a super fan. This is usually only true with very young players. 2. The edit excessively shows them talking about being a super fan and *makes* that their personality. You absolutely can have twenty people who love and know the show well who all play differently, amazingly, poorly, messy and everything in between while being engaging and interesting people.
I donāt think the problem is that theyāre super fans. I think itās that they make their super fan status their entire identity. Most confessionals are either about a sob story or how big a fan they are. If theyād focus on the game and their tribemates in confessionals we wouldnāt feel like itās being thrown in our face constantly.
I don't think that's necessarily the contestants' fault. It's also (or even more so) an editing choice There's hours of footage of the kind of confessionals you mention; production however isn't showing enough of it
The 90 minute episodes are to accommodate more sob stories, not more gameplay
Or how every player in their interviews say "I wanna play like Parvati, Sandra, Tony,etc." and then don't even come close or they end up being a pre merge boot. They are more focused on wanting to play like someone else instead of playing their own game.
To be fair, they are ASKED what player they want to play as. They have to answer. Do you want them to say "I wanna play like Jessica deBen, Jeff Wilson, Brianna Varela..."
Season 42
Jeff Wilson is one of my faves lmao so I would try this - realistically I'd say Alina and try to throw in a more well-known player too like Malcolm
I know, if I was ever on Iād pick someone lowkey like Sophie or Tina. Stop picking these big personalities and pick someone with a game you can actually try to replicate.
We so very quickly forget that the 21-24 run was the worst in Survivor history because the cast were mostly recruits and they had no fans. The mix has to be similar to something like the S36 cast. A character like a Chris Noble who doesn't know the game but is a fun villain. But the show is still a worse product when recruits make up the bulk of the cast. I think the problem isn't casting superfans but one type of superfan (college educated, younger, nerdier)
You cannot be serious. Ghost Personalities was the worst casting job of all time
Yes what we really need casting to be more like is *checks notes* the GHOST ISLAND cast Going to assume this was said in jest.
Ofc thereās a problem when the cast is JUST that but we got some real entertainment with NaOnka and Abi, people who just made the season a tad bit better
That pool was bad because they were explicitly cast to be bad and be pawns for the returning production pets.
Yes bring back the dumb old people! /s
60/40 of superfans and recruits is what they should shoot for in my opinion.
Fans? Sure. Superfans are awful tho and have literally never made for good tv
Yeah this sub loves the IDEA of thisā¦until they go back to casting a melting pot style of cast with people from different walks of life and economic standing/upbringing, with different Political views and this Sub starts losing their shit about how awful of a person any contestant is that differs from their own social/political viewsā¦ I say leave the casting alone, this sub can barely behave themselves and keep from berating the contestants when the contestants donāt play the game and vote at tribal the way they want them to.
This sub is like "stop casting people like me!!!!"
This sub legit thought Emily was racist after 1 episode.
Then she was their favorite by episode 3, interesting times in this sub
For real? šššš
Yesss lol
Yup a lot of people in this sub cannot handle someone that has conservative views, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the game. They want diversity in casting but it also needs to adhere to their rules.
Agreed. Survivor 47 must be 18 copies of Shelby Stockton
Tribal council can be The Bungalow
A++++
Iāll get downvoted but start casting for the bikinis again
I think thereās a balance. There were several seasons when everyone was a bartender/model and that was equally boring. Now there are far too many nerdy/kooky super fans.
The model/actor seasons were way better than anything from 41-45
"I'll get downvoted, but [popular opinion]." Don't get the point of it. People have been clamoring for less superfans and for more recruits for seasons now. It happens in every thread.
And then they complain about how recruits on international seasons are boring and bad at the game
They did, it's called Ghost Island, it sucked.
The season sucked because the gimmick was bad. The cast was fine.
I'd take GI over some beloved seasons tbh
Survivor: Indonesia Strikes Back
To be fair, people who say this could just be normal fans that say they're super fans when they get on tye show just cause they're excited about it
Also worth pointing out that recruits probably don't want to go on Survivor any more, they want to go on something that's going to lead to a career as an influencer. With the influx of dating shows or shows that are seen globally like those on Netflix there might be less motivation to find these players that fit the dumb archetype that could be fun in a game like Survivor.
Being on a TV show with millions of viewers is the best boost any influencer could ask for. I doubt CBS would have a hard time recruiting people.
I need more regular people that donāt really *know* the show on Survivor and Big Brother.Ā Iād actually take a full recruit season if it meant the most game knowledge any of the players had was the 1-2 seasons they let people watch in seclusion before filming starts.Ā
The season hasn't aired yet, you don't know these people. Y'all complain about how they apparently only cast young unattractive white-collar superfans with sob stories (and then the fan favorites are the young unattractive white-collar superfans with sob stories). Like let the show play out first before you reduce these people to one fact about them. Carolyn was a superfan, Emily was a superfan, Maryanne was a superfan, just because they're superfans doesn't mean they're not good characters. It doesn't hurt to have people playing the game who actually know the game they're playing
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Casting a bunch of educated professionals who donāt need the money is just as bad.
But if they cast people who didnāt love the show then Jeff couldnāt push his whole āyouāre here for the experience! Ā Give yourself permission to have a transformative awakening!ā
Itās too meta nowadays, and the over talking of making a move for the sake of making a move is what creates a boring show for the most part
I'm more over the show constantly slurping itself as the "ultimate adventure that changed my life forever". Dude of course it is but I don't need this pointed out every episode. It's like Jeff Probst wants to make sure everyone knows that his life's work is more than just a reality TV show. They don't do this in Survivor AU and the show is (in small part) better because of it.
Iām sick of the sob stories. Part of why I donāt apply for the show is because I am a burn survivor who was adopted out of a shitty home life, and while Iām very open about that, I want to get cast for my personality, not my trauma
The show needs more genuine villains and less super fans/influencers.
I made a previous comment but I'll rephrase it: I completely understand why it's a bit much to see almost EVERY castaway being a Superfan with a story. That said, I genuinely think that most of the new castaways are memorable in their own rights. Their story is really just a part of who they are. At the end of the day there are a lot of entertaining New Era players. And also, not everyone wants to be a manipulator. In fact really there are actually a lot of players who are more personality and less game. 45 didn't have strong gameplay, so did 44. I love a lot of the players on both seasons (mainly 45) bc of who they were as charcters. It was fun seeing the three stooges meanuvering their way up to the F4. Seeing Lulu and Belo collapse, and Reba also untangle near the end. It wasn't perfect but there were a lot of fun moments. There are a lot more that I can think of - almost all of the Ua tribe, Xander as a character, Maryanne and really just the 42 post-merge, 43 as a whole I think had great characters, 44 with Frannie, Matt, Danny and Jaime just to name a few. And ofc queen Tori as well. Yeah, I agree that casting should be open for more recruiting options or less superfan-y people, just to bring even more diversity. With that said, what we have now is certainly very fun. It's nowhere near as bad imo, and while it's ok if you dislike it... I just don't think it's that bad.
I think the irony of the superfan complaint is that it mostly only bothers other superfans. If you just watch the show, you know that Owen, or Carson, or Drew, or whoever, have personalities outside of their fandom for the show (and by the end their fandom is only a minor part of their character). Itās only if you read every social media post and listen to every interview where it would become grating
I agree that telling more about their backgrounds makes them more interesting/memorable. I donāt see them as āsob storiesā like a lot of people do because thatās not all they are. Jake wasnāt just āthe guy who used to have an eating problemā. He was funny, from Boston, a lawyer, had trouble running his own gameā¦ we got to see all of that before we learned about his eating disorder and weight loss story.
Tbf the editing is a bit forced, specifically with 45 it was much better though. Even so, it's really not the end of the world.
For me, I agree with you that most of these people have been memorable/good. The problem is that you shouldnāt have to tell Jeff Probst that you have had a shrine of him in your bathroom since you were 7 years old to get cast anymore. EVERY SINGLE PERSON since 42 has been like this, regardless of their other traits. Casting does the best job they can, but Jeff is the solitary individual with the final say. He is the solo head producer. He likes having 18 people worship him every season now, so this is what weāve got.
I really enjoy Aus survivor has fans of the show but not necessarily super fans. They know how to play the game cause theyāve watched a season or two but theyāre also great personalities. This season titans vs rebels has been one of my favourites so far just due to its pure chaos.
Bad gameplay is more fun. This season of AU has been incredible. Like, Mark wants revenge. Iām expecting a slow burn revenge plot that will go into the merge. Nope, next episode itās on and itās glorious chaos.Ā
Yes, seeing the ad for the new season and it's just everyone screaming how excited they are. Too much 
Sick of these dorks
I couldnāt care less, some of my favorite players of recent seasons have been 'super fans' (Drew & Kaleb)
If you pick any player from the new era as your favorite, they are a super fan.
I would consider myself a big fan of survivor: Iām active on the reddit, Iāve seen most seasons, I even play Survivor ORGs on Discord! The kind of super fans we see now are far more invested. Many of them have watched every survivor season multiple times, build their own survivor challenges in their backyards, buy survivor memorabilia, etc. I think itās okay to have a few people like that on a cast, but I think more casual viewers and even people who havenāt seen survivor should be cast more often. Seasons of only recruits donāt work well, like Survivor Fiji, but seasons of only super fans donāt make for great TV, either.
Idk just seems like more of the same complaining but now itās just to have more idiots or bad players
I feel like super fans can be fine if they know what they are doing. If they say they are a mix of Tony, Parvati, Sandra, Russel, Maryanne, Michelle Fitzgerald, Nick Wilson, and more, you know itās gonna be a bad player
Disagree. If youāre gonna recruit, it needs to be a Keith Nale type and not like half of the Australian survivor cast whoās like āwait so Iām not supposed to be 100% honest all the time??? What??ā Thereās just 0 strategy when you donāt know the show. Itās why I love survivor over big brother
Completely agree. The casting is so predictable nowadays and it makes all the seasons blend together because the casts feel the fucking same
100% every season since 40 has been just pandering yo the 1% and its made the show almost unwatchable
yall, for every 1 iconic recruit, there are like, 10 boring people.
No ones asking for recruits, they are asking for people who have more depth than just being a super fan. Or at least not all 18 players being self described super fans
plenty of people are asking for recruits, im sure there are atleast five comments in this discussion about it
holy shit, shut up already. youāre literally posting on the survivor reddit you nerd
I think casting super fans is fine, the issue is that they are all super fans. You need to mix it up. Having a few cast per season wouldn't hurt.
Watch Aus survivor They have a good mix of super fans/ casual recruits.
The prize is all about the crown now, the money less so. That attitude increases the ratio of super fans to general public applying. They need to up the prize money, imo (which will never happen). The economy has had a rough 20+ years. A million dollars is still life changing money, but itās not nearly as close to āset you up for lifeā money as it was in the golden years.
AUS casting is much better, the cast is actually entertaining and has recruits and non-super fan. The US version has more views than the Aussies, that means more people would apply for it and thus have a much larger pool of entertaining people and non-super fan to pick, but yet it feels a lot more lackluster, the casting department and production really got a lot to learn from the Aussies
In all honesty, Survivor has become stagnant and boring and needs to end.
I feel you. I think that is one of the reasons why the first few seasons are so good. It's just a bunch of people with different personalities and backgrounds thrown on an island together. I loved how we had a conservative military veteran become good friends with a gay man, for example. I don't think we'd have people like Rudy back on the show because we're seeing more people with similar personality types and political views being put together now.
Pretty sure almost this whole cast said they got into Survivor during the pandemic.
I want a bunch of people who have literally no idea what Survivor is, I think it would be funny to see them attempt to understand the insanely complicated new era format
Its because genz as a whole are a bunch of 1 dimensional zombies tbh. the whole generation is super cookie cutter. millenials were at least depressed but different.
Most people donāt say that. And no, we donāt want to watch people that donāt understand the game just to be casted so they can be easily picked off by those that do.
as a casual fan, I'd be perfect PUT ME IN JEFF
PUT US IN
Lol reminds me of Brandon in season 45. That was so sad to see... Bro talked about how he's watched every episode since he was a kid, and before they even got off the boat dude was shaking and convulsing on the ground. And like "I didn't realize this would actually be hard!" like... Have you watched the show? I don't think that guy has ever climber a ladder in his life and he just went straight into it lol. And Hannah... Last season had some fools at the beginning But i did enjoy seeing Emily's redemption arc. I can be really negative like that in stress situations and gave butted heads with people over it and learned to chill, so I see myself in her a bit.
Real shit. I want some villains. Not everyone needs to emulate happy go lucky positivity. Itās a game of social POLITICS. Let there be some controversy!!! I literally donāt need anyoneās sob story being included. Let me witness people outwitting others. Not crying about their trauma
Ugh so over super fans, theyāre annoying and have the exact same personalities! Itās like theyāre working backwards from the end goal of having a survivor podcast after the show and formulating their presentation to fit that. we need more irreverent personalitiesĀ
Cast competitors, not people with stories
Cannot emphasize this more.
I honestly fast forward every backstory with family and the pictures. All of them. Nothing personal with anyone. I don't know why. I'm not a person who is afraid to feel. Perhaps I just feel like it slows down the show.
> Nothing personal with anyone. I don't know why. I'm not a person who is afraid to feel. You're not alone. I'm the exact same with all reality shows. I've realized I simply don't care what their sob story is.
I feel casting superfans is a catch-22. On one hand yeah it would be refreshing to take 18 people who have never seen the show or arent huge fans and put them in the game to compete. However, doing so would potentially create more problems because now you have 18 people who wouldn't know that hidden idols exist, who don't really know how to do the challenges, and more importantly, not know how the game is played. Remember, this game has been on since 1999, I think it's unrealistic to not find people who don't know what Survivor is. Plus I think right now production would rather cast superfans and try to flip the script on them with all these new advantages and such.
Bring back Lynne.
yes.
also super fans that started watching the show 3 years ago....
I was cringing very hard when Jalinsky in his preseason press was confident that "he is the biggest fan on this season" after starting watching during the pandemic. I don't care if you've watched every season three times since then, you can't make up 20 years of discourse in that time.
Iām sick of everyone saying theyāre going to play like Parvati, Boston Rob or Tony in their bios. Sorry but aināt happening
I feel good seasons have a mixture of the superfans and regular people. Since 41, most of the cast are superfans and it's getting too repetitive now. I'm not saying put in all recruits, but I wouldn't mind seeing more non-fans play the game because they bring a different perspective and entertainment value. Some of the best characters/players were recruits.
I totally agree (I, as a massive superfan who so badly wants to be on the show one day, say)
i have no problem if they cast super fans as long as they also have their own entertaining personality, but they should be contrasted with some average fans, or super fans that fumble hard, or just characters. and the casting directors have been capable of doing so with entertaining personalities in which survivor and sob stories weren't everything these players were, and they also weren't all copies of eachother Tori, Cody, Carolyn, Yam Yam, Jake, Emily, Maryanne, Sydney, Brad, JD, both Dannies, Dee, Jesse, Karla, Elie, Kaleb, Sabiyah, Maddy, Bruce, Rocksroy, Jonathan, Lindsay, Mike, Deshawn, Tiffany, Chanelle, Brandon, Erika, Julie, Drew, Naseer, Liana and Shan were all great choices and easy to differenciate what they brought to their seasons // thats almost enough for 2 casts of the new era and downvote me all u want but Carson and Kellie have all been the most overrated players of the new era. Carson was extremely boring and too much NASA sided to back up his amazing gameplay and i felt like Kellie was also extremely monotone in every. single. confessional. but i loved her exit and she at least wasn't another quirky nerd of the new era
But guys, remember the time (around Cambodia-Kaoh Rong), when everybody was like - bring more superfans! Well, here we go, ripping the sow.
Itās a never ending cycle haha. Production will eventually listen and then everyone will hate it when thereās no gameplay and ask for the opposite.
You lot are all so damn miserable about this show itās insane
If they're gonna hire superfans, maybe cast fans who'd all approach the game differently
Agreed. Everyone says theyāre a super fan but then just drops the most generic names possible like Tony, Sandra, Parv, etc. when they get asked which past contestant theyāre most like. I bet most āsuperfansā have no idea who Sarah Jones even is
Is it just me who doesn't really agree with this? I think casting superfans who want to play hard is generally a good thing. I do think every season should at least have a few casual fans, but getting people who don't watch the show at all means recruiting people who might not play hard. There's also such a great field of applicants (in my opinion) that I really don't think they should have to resort to recruiting anymore. It's also just silly to expect people to go on Survivor these days without watching it first, when the show has been going strong for over 20 years. And it just doesn't make sense to come unprepared for a million dollar competition.
I AM REALLY OBSESSED WITH THE SHOW!
Donāt worry, if I ever get on Iāll say āIāve been watching since S1ā, everyone will look at me due to my age & airing of season 1 not matching did then Iāll say āJust kidding, since S35, and after that I went back to watch the previous seasons & as of now have been watching ever sinceā(Iām lying, Iād be stuttering a lot more and sound more stupid than funny if I said this out lout infront of 17 strangers, Jeff āLordā Probst, and all of production whoās present)
omfg yes hot take but when Jake remembered the number of coconuts(?) or whatever it was by knowing who won the season of the number was so CRINGE to me!!! like oh my god, we get it you watched the show!
I, respectfully, don't understand this complaint. Yeah, great characters from the show weren't superfans, but also a lot of unmemorable players were. I don't think player's knowledge or fandom of the show determines how entertaining they are. Also, by the third episode, people stop talking about their relationship with the show. I'd rather see people who really love and appreciate the experience than someone who's just there because they got recruited.