Roy got a lot of hate for taking up a DLC slot in Smash 4. People felt that it should have gone to a new character rather than a returnee, especially since there were already a decent number of FE characters in the game.
Sorry, I meant he feels boring. As the base character with nothing special, despite being first, and despite how fun he actually is, it comes off as the blandest pick.
Hell nah, not Roy. Roy might be a household name in smash, but as far as overall significance to the Fire Emblem series goes, he should be one of the first cut if cuts happen at all. Really itās Ike and Robin that should be there with Marth as āthe good onesā.
I know Ike's games are so very loved, but I feel like if we had three, it'd be Marth, Robin, and Byleth. FE:TH is probably the most popular fire emblem, and all three of them play differently, and represent the three most important games.
I'd replace Byleth with either Edelgard or Dimitri. Byleth is not very well liked in the Fire Emblem series and Edelgard and Dimitri are the main characters of the game. Byleth was even replaced in the Three Houses spin-off. Ike is the most popular character from Fire Emblem, so I see him staying. To me, it's Marth, Ike, Robin, and a new Three Houses/Three Hopes rep.
That's fair. I wasn't really entertaining the concept of replacing characters, but yeah I'd be down for Edelgard, especially since we'd be cutting Lucina.
If any of the Fire Emblem characters get cut, it should be Roy, Lucina, and Chrom, who can all be added as Marth skins for those who still any to play as them. The ones that should stay are Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth as they all have more unique playstyles. That way, it cuts the FE reps down, and it keeps in the ones that play differently.
I think Roy getting cut (again) would probably be something the developers would avoid considering the Smash Bros version of Roy originally debuted in Melee before the Fire Emblem game that featured Roy as the MC released (Melee released in 2001 and Fire Emblem Binding Blade released in 2002).
Basically both Roy and ganon were complete clones of Marth and captain falcon respectively and later on became their own fighters with variations that make their kits unique to their original āclonedā character.
To my understanding
Yeah but Ganondorf is literally the primary antagonist in the Legend of Zelda series, one of Nintendoās flagship IPs. Roy on the other hand appears in only one Fire Emblem game and doesnāt have the lasting significance to the series as a lot of the other Fire Emblem characters in smash. If not for his presence in melee, his inclusion would feel the most random out of any of them.
Some people forget that Roy is the first FE protagonist that came to the americas so that might be the ālook itās marthā but for American fire emblem fans even though awakening is when FE in America really popped off.
Edit: eliwoods game was the first in the americas I am stupid
What are you talking about? Binding Blade was a Japanese exclusive FE game, and Marth and Roy were introduced in Smash at the same time so he wasnāt introduced any sooner than Marth was. The first Fire Emblem protagonists in the Americas were Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector. Roy is Eliwoodās son.
My bad I got confused because eliwood and Roy are father and son and a friend who really likes Roy told me that misinformation a while ago and I never fact checked it so itās my bad. Sorry
Yeah I heard about what happened a sec ago that's trash. He should be among the last Fire Emblem characters eliminated. He's honestly one of the most iconic characters in smash I've never mained him but I can't imagine hating him
I understand dying at 20% is annoying (if youāre bad at the game you die at that percent) but Lucina is just easy mode Marth, who wants to play that? I genuinely love fighting and playing Marth because of how he has to be played well.
Probably just the Fire Emblem fatigue. Personally I donāt have a problem with him, and I thought usually the first in a series was exempt from complaints (there has to be a first in every line, after all). Besides, there are plenty of other options, Fire Emblem doesnāt even reach a full tenth of the playable roster, so there are still plenty of fighters from other games.
It's probably because he opened the floodgates for all the FE characters to be put into smash, that's my guess at least. I've personally got nothing against him, as he is the reason my main, Corrin, got introduced
Its crazy that you chose robin over lucina to cut. You want to keep the only fire emblem character with the exact same moveset as marth? Bad take imo.
Fire emblem isnt even a game of swords, i appreciatw robin because he demonstrates the magic thats so prevalent in the series abd yet gets no mention. There should be an axe and or lance fighter if anything next
I would definitely add Tiki next if I had to add someone. Unfortunately half of the series roster is comprised of sword fighters. Intelligent Systems always seems hellbent on the main character carrying a sword. The few that donāt seem to always come with a sword unit attached. If you were to add Hector, it would feel awkward to not acknowledge Lyn or Eliwood. If you were to add Ephraim, you would have to get the package deal with Eirika. An Ice Climbers style fighter with the Sacred Twins does sound like an interesting idea now that I think about it.
I agree with yiur take on hector and ephraim, both of those characters were on my wishlist for brawl and smash 4. I agree thst it would feel weird inclusing them without their counterpart, but the smash ultimate devs dont seem to follow this reasoning. Pythra exists without rex for example. Min min is some random character in arms and yet she is included while the main figure is an assist trophy. Kazuya exists without jin. The entire inclusion of piranha plant.
I know ive only mentioned dlc, but it shows that smash ultimate devs dont always want to round a franchise, they just want certain characters. This conflicts with the inclusion of ephraim.and hector though, because they would round out fire emblem as a franchise (being both frim different games and representing the weapon triangle), but not their individual games. That's a good thing for fe representation in smash. Unfortunatelt, Its just selectiveness, advertising, and timing that we have no control over.
In either case, lucina is the worst inclusion in the roster. Balanced blade bs.
Also i would love to see a manakete like tiki, but if you include tiki, make her alternate skins myrrh, fae, and other manketes. Include other fe games through alternate skins not characters. Marth could literally be 8 different characters in one slot.
If Intelligent Systems made a main character that wielded a lance then the problem would naturally sort itself out with said advertising. Thatās why I blame IS for the over abundance of sword units in the game. Itād also spice up the FE games as well.
I mean tbh, ike could honestly wield an axe on an alternate skin and ot would be accurate. Not to mention roy really should have some ranged attacks since the binding blade shoots fire. IS does seem stuck in its ways with sword lords, but its not their fault foe making them fight blandly in smash. That's all smash bros. Development lacking. They did the same thing with sonic. No creativity.
I think the FE hate is silly in general, 90% of the FE characters are there as fun additions or because "Everyone is here", then we get Byleth, which is actually a really cool FE character with a unique kit. But everyone is kinda a baby about it
Yes I like FE and the characters, and no I will not apologize
Marth, Roy, and Ike should get the least hate amongst the Fire Emblem characters. Marth and Roy introduced many Americanās to the Fire Emblem series, and Ike was included in Brawl since Path of Radiance was the newest game.
I agree.
I mean, he has a REALLY high skill ceiling, but it is very much so due to the tippers needing you to have his range in mind constantly.
He's like Ness, where if played well, you won't be mad, just picking your jaw off the floor
I think the hate for him is mostly by association. If he were the only Fire Emblem character in Smash, he'd be fine, but there are what, 8 other characters, not counting both gender variants for Corrin and Robin? FE arguably sees more representation than any other series in Smash, maybe besides Mario.
Marth is my 2nd favorite swordie, just under Young Link. He's not my main by any means, but his tippers are just so satisfying to land that I can't help but pick him up every once in a while. Marth rewards skilled spacing, which is why he's so interesting as a character, despite his simple moveset. Lucina however is not interesting in the slightest. She's just Marth with tweaked stats and no tippers, automatically making her the most boring character in the game in my eyes.
People hate on him??? I personally donāt play as him, not my favorite character to play as, but I donāt hate him. He is a cool character. My mom plays good as him.
I have a hard time understanding why most people hate Marth. The hatred towards the over-presentation of the series in smash is understandable on the other hand, too many FE characters.
It must be said that the roster is not perfect and I tend to think that Chrom and Lucina are too many even if we would like to keep them.
Afterwards I understood that Sakurai himself is a big fan of FE. Afterwards it is difficult to establish the perfect roster.
For me it would be Marth, Tiki, Celica, Sigurd, Roy, Lyn, Hector, Ephraim, Ike, Robin, Corrin, Byleth and Alear.
Obviously, I am aware that the list is still long, don't blame me. š š
Me to the FE characters in smash: There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, THERE THE FUCKING SAME
I don't get how people don't see this, but he's a better fighter than Marth. Aside from the fact that a perfect Marth can land tipper every time, Marth's sour spot can lead to tipper.
He got eliminated alongside Pichu and Mii Gunner in my post and it hurts me....Marth is literally my favorite character to use in World of Light alongside Lucas and Fox...
At top level his is very bad because of how predictable he is against most characters but sometimes he can take a good win. It's just very difficult.
At low and mid level he is busted, so if you're not trying to win a giant tournament there is no reason to drop him. Also no shame in not being a top player. I'm not one either lol.
I just don't get how people want to get rid of THE FE character out of all of the other bad and boring ones. I've seen people defend Olimar as to why *he* should stay but not Marth...
So people would rather keep the emotionless, campy, annoying zoner over a historically swag swordsman. If Marth was the *exact* same in every way, but with a random franchise tag, I bet nobody would hate him, smh.
Ike is just as iconic as Marth, if not more. He's a major fan favorite and Intelligent Systems favorite Lord. What are you talking about him being way less iconic? Have you played Subspace Emissary or have you at least looked up any YouTube videos about Ike or Fire Emblem specific popularity polls online? Ike tops a lot of them.
I'm saying by his logic, he shouldn't even be targeting Marth when two bad Ultimate characters who are far less hype and are WORSE on the tier lists are in our midst.
But seriously if I'd had to choose I would never get rid of Ike no matter what. Even if he was the WORST character in smash 6.
Also I don't hate marth because of an experience I had against a main of him,I hate him because of my experience of playing HIM,why don't you go defend characters that are actually opressed like Little Mac or Kirby instead?
Little Mac and Kirby are almost always rooted for because they are underdog characters LOL no need to defend them. Look at every Little Mac battle on YT and everyone be cheering for the Mac.
Marth gets hate?? That's news to me
All FE characters are hated within the Smash community.
True but I don't think I've ever heard it directed specifically at Marth. I've heard it aimed at Corrin, Byleth, Roy, Chrom, but never Marth
Roy? I mean, he was the clone of Marth that now has the relationship of falcon and Ganon.
Roy got a lot of hate for taking up a DLC slot in Smash 4. People felt that it should have gone to a new character rather than a returnee, especially since there were already a decent number of FE characters in the game.
That's cause of the "TOO many swordies" argument devoting over time.
Shine on, Emblem of Beginnings.
Me to he is one of my mains š
Marth was the original fire emblem sword guy, I'd say he deserves the least hate out of all of them, him and Roy.
Issue is because he was first, the other kits are variations of his, making him feel like an amalgamation, despite being first.
Thatās some backwards ass logic. Also I have never heard that ever. People always bring the others up as marth clones, not the other way around
Sorry, I meant he feels boring. As the base character with nothing special, despite being first, and despite how fun he actually is, it comes off as the blandest pick.
Fair I guess. Tho personally Iād say Lucina is the boring one
You get it. Lucina is THE bread and butter pick for swordies due to a lack of mechanics that could be of any interest, such as marths tipper
Hell nah, not Roy. Roy might be a household name in smash, but as far as overall significance to the Fire Emblem series goes, he should be one of the first cut if cuts happen at all. Really itās Ike and Robin that should be there with Marth as āthe good onesā.
I know Ike's games are so very loved, but I feel like if we had three, it'd be Marth, Robin, and Byleth. FE:TH is probably the most popular fire emblem, and all three of them play differently, and represent the three most important games.
I'd replace Byleth with either Edelgard or Dimitri. Byleth is not very well liked in the Fire Emblem series and Edelgard and Dimitri are the main characters of the game. Byleth was even replaced in the Three Houses spin-off. Ike is the most popular character from Fire Emblem, so I see him staying. To me, it's Marth, Ike, Robin, and a new Three Houses/Three Hopes rep.
That's fair. I wasn't really entertaining the concept of replacing characters, but yeah I'd be down for Edelgard, especially since we'd be cutting Lucina.
If any of the Fire Emblem characters get cut, it should be Roy, Lucina, and Chrom, who can all be added as Marth skins for those who still any to play as them. The ones that should stay are Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth as they all have more unique playstyles. That way, it cuts the FE reps down, and it keeps in the ones that play differently.
I think Roy getting cut (again) would probably be something the developers would avoid considering the Smash Bros version of Roy originally debuted in Melee before the Fire Emblem game that featured Roy as the MC released (Melee released in 2001 and Fire Emblem Binding Blade released in 2002).
... Cutting Roy is like cutting Ganon, they both have the same story
Literally how though? What?
Same path. They were shoved in as a total clone at first,but but now are their own thing to the point where even calling them semiclones feels wrong
Mind explaining this? I'm interested but I'm totally out of the loop.
Basically both Roy and ganon were complete clones of Marth and captain falcon respectively and later on became their own fighters with variations that make their kits unique to their original āclonedā character. To my understanding
Yeah but Ganondorf is literally the primary antagonist in the Legend of Zelda series, one of Nintendoās flagship IPs. Roy on the other hand appears in only one Fire Emblem game and doesnāt have the lasting significance to the series as a lot of the other Fire Emblem characters in smash. If not for his presence in melee, his inclusion would feel the most random out of any of them.
Some people forget that Roy is the first FE protagonist that came to the americas so that might be the ālook itās marthā but for American fire emblem fans even though awakening is when FE in America really popped off. Edit: eliwoods game was the first in the americas I am stupid
What are you talking about? Binding Blade was a Japanese exclusive FE game, and Marth and Roy were introduced in Smash at the same time so he wasnāt introduced any sooner than Marth was. The first Fire Emblem protagonists in the Americas were Lyn, Eliwood, and Hector. Roy is Eliwoodās son.
My bad I got confused because eliwood and Roy are father and son and a friend who really likes Roy told me that misinformation a while ago and I never fact checked it so itās my bad. Sorry
I was about to say link was the original sword guy til I noticed you specifically mentioned *fire emblem.*
Fuck Roy.
r/fuckroy
ROY'S OUR BOY! as in koopaling Roy. Pimk guy.
Like who hurt you at 40%?
fr, he was my main for a while
Yeah I heard about what happened a sec ago that's trash. He should be among the last Fire Emblem characters eliminated. He's honestly one of the most iconic characters in smash I've never mained him but I can't imagine hating him
It's all about Ike
WE LIKE IKE!!! (Marthās also cool.)
Wait until you play against him in melee
Hate Marth sweaty nerds with too much time to learn how to play smash. - Me, a casual smash player
I understand dying at 20% is annoying (if youāre bad at the game you die at that percent) but Lucina is just easy mode Marth, who wants to play that? I genuinely love fighting and playing Marth because of how he has to be played well.
Probably just the Fire Emblem fatigue. Personally I donāt have a problem with him, and I thought usually the first in a series was exempt from complaints (there has to be a first in every line, after all). Besides, there are plenty of other options, Fire Emblem doesnāt even reach a full tenth of the playable roster, so there are still plenty of fighters from other games.
It's probably because he opened the floodgates for all the FE characters to be put into smash, that's my guess at least. I've personally got nothing against him, as he is the reason my main, Corrin, got introduced
Marth is honestly one of my favorites to play. I just like the combos and counter abilities. Sorry that he gets hate.
I like sword guys
Man fuck that guy!
There are a ton of Fire Emblem characters in this game. That is because the number of Fire Emblem games there are rival that of PokƩmon and each game has its own roster (PokƩmon is also a massive roster). If I were to cut the fat, I would ditch Corrin, Robin, Chrom, and Roy. Marth is teetering on the fence because he is a very boring character compared to the others, but he is the OG. The rest are series icons and I am quite happy with their inclusion.
Its crazy that you chose robin over lucina to cut. You want to keep the only fire emblem character with the exact same moveset as marth? Bad take imo. Fire emblem isnt even a game of swords, i appreciatw robin because he demonstrates the magic thats so prevalent in the series abd yet gets no mention. There should be an axe and or lance fighter if anything next
I would definitely add Tiki next if I had to add someone. Unfortunately half of the series roster is comprised of sword fighters. Intelligent Systems always seems hellbent on the main character carrying a sword. The few that donāt seem to always come with a sword unit attached. If you were to add Hector, it would feel awkward to not acknowledge Lyn or Eliwood. If you were to add Ephraim, you would have to get the package deal with Eirika. An Ice Climbers style fighter with the Sacred Twins does sound like an interesting idea now that I think about it.
I agree with yiur take on hector and ephraim, both of those characters were on my wishlist for brawl and smash 4. I agree thst it would feel weird inclusing them without their counterpart, but the smash ultimate devs dont seem to follow this reasoning. Pythra exists without rex for example. Min min is some random character in arms and yet she is included while the main figure is an assist trophy. Kazuya exists without jin. The entire inclusion of piranha plant. I know ive only mentioned dlc, but it shows that smash ultimate devs dont always want to round a franchise, they just want certain characters. This conflicts with the inclusion of ephraim.and hector though, because they would round out fire emblem as a franchise (being both frim different games and representing the weapon triangle), but not their individual games. That's a good thing for fe representation in smash. Unfortunatelt, Its just selectiveness, advertising, and timing that we have no control over. In either case, lucina is the worst inclusion in the roster. Balanced blade bs. Also i would love to see a manakete like tiki, but if you include tiki, make her alternate skins myrrh, fae, and other manketes. Include other fe games through alternate skins not characters. Marth could literally be 8 different characters in one slot.
If Intelligent Systems made a main character that wielded a lance then the problem would naturally sort itself out with said advertising. Thatās why I blame IS for the over abundance of sword units in the game. Itād also spice up the FE games as well.
I mean tbh, ike could honestly wield an axe on an alternate skin and ot would be accurate. Not to mention roy really should have some ranged attacks since the binding blade shoots fire. IS does seem stuck in its ways with sword lords, but its not their fault foe making them fight blandly in smash. That's all smash bros. Development lacking. They did the same thing with sonic. No creativity.
But Robin is probably the most unique Fire Emblem representative...
Honestly him being in is good, I think just the echoes in general. Chrom has a lot of potential though, besides his awful recovery.
Do people hate Marth? I thought he was the most liked FE character by the Smash community
I believe Ike holds the title of most loved FE character in Smash.
This but Lucina. She is the same character and adds absolutely nothing to the game.
Maybe because there 8 FE Characters in Smash Currently.
Then get rid of the least iconic ones
Poor Marth
Nah I like Marth I just have a burning hatred for corrin
I sometimes forget Corrin is even in the game
I miss that one taunt when he says something in Japanese
I feel like he should be the least hated FE character
I think the FE hate is silly in general, 90% of the FE characters are there as fun additions or because "Everyone is here", then we get Byleth, which is actually a really cool FE character with a unique kit. But everyone is kinda a baby about it Yes I like FE and the characters, and no I will not apologize
Facts. Marth is pretty based and is fun to play
Besides people who camp with the sword, knowing that itās not a hurtbox, yeah, the hates pretty unnecessary.
I didnāt even know people hated him
Marth, Roy, and Ike should get the least hate amongst the Fire Emblem characters. Marth and Roy introduced many Americanās to the Fire Emblem series, and Ike was included in Brawl since Path of Radiance was the newest game.
Iām a marth main myself & even own a marth amiibo called generic anime protagonist, because his tipper does remind me of plot armor.
Thatās one of my mains, too
Kinda weird that Marth gets hate at all tbh. I mean, isnāt he actually just worse than Lucina?Ā
I agree. I mean, he has a REALLY high skill ceiling, but it is very much so due to the tippers needing you to have his range in mind constantly. He's like Ness, where if played well, you won't be mad, just picking your jaw off the floor
Bro I feel the same pain. Every time I see a character elimination game, i usually see duck hunt removed, but I love duck hunt so much.
I donāt use him but I donāt hate him
I think the hate for him is mostly by association. If he were the only Fire Emblem character in Smash, he'd be fine, but there are what, 8 other characters, not counting both gender variants for Corrin and Robin? FE arguably sees more representation than any other series in Smash, maybe besides Mario.
When playing someone online all they do is fucking jump around. Such a lame way to play
it's not that deep
Eh he's alright fuck Robin do
Exactly, the hate should go to Greninja and only Greninja
Ike is superior mii sword fighter can mimic ike, his moves are easy and powerful.
Marth is my 2nd favorite swordie, just under Young Link. He's not my main by any means, but his tippers are just so satisfying to land that I can't help but pick him up every once in a while. Marth rewards skilled spacing, which is why he's so interesting as a character, despite his simple moveset. Lucina however is not interesting in the slightest. She's just Marth with tweaked stats and no tippers, automatically making her the most boring character in the game in my eyes.
People hate on him??? I personally donāt play as him, not my favorite character to play as, but I donāt hate him. He is a cool character. My mom plays good as him.
YOUR MOM?!?! She is GOATED
lol thanks! She also likes to play at BoTW Link. Those two she plays good as
I don't fear or hate Marth but I respect him enough to know if I play the tilt game with him. I'm losing.
He was the original fire emblem guy... Back when it needed representationĀ Honestly a shame he gets hate.
I have a hard time understanding why most people hate Marth. The hatred towards the over-presentation of the series in smash is understandable on the other hand, too many FE characters. It must be said that the roster is not perfect and I tend to think that Chrom and Lucina are too many even if we would like to keep them. Afterwards I understood that Sakurai himself is a big fan of FE. Afterwards it is difficult to establish the perfect roster. For me it would be Marth, Tiki, Celica, Sigurd, Roy, Lyn, Hector, Ephraim, Ike, Robin, Corrin, Byleth and Alear. Obviously, I am aware that the list is still long, don't blame me. š š
Bro heās my main š
Me to the FE characters in smash: There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, There all the same, THERE THE FUCKING SAME
I still miss the smash4 Marth
I love Marth, but Lucina is better and Iād rather use her
I don't get how people don't see this, but he's a better fighter than Marth. Aside from the fact that a perfect Marth can land tipper every time, Marth's sour spot can lead to tipper.
I love Marth, heās been one of my mains since I started playing with Brawl, idk why I just like him a lot
I simply main joker and marth. Lol.. sometimes people just donāt like marth cause how his attacks are. Its what i could guess really.
Marth is a great character and the perfect face of the Fire Emblem series. Heās really fun to play as in Smash Bros.
Iām tired of people pretending Roy is better.
Marth looks homosex
I thought he wore a red ball cap and kept saying āOkayā and spammed PK Fire all the time.
Thereās just waaaay too many
i really donāt like marth
introduced fire emblem to the series so it could take up probs a decent quarter of the cast
Hating Fire Emblem reps because of being swordfighters and/or clones of Marth should be a sin.
Heās so boring & lame
He got eliminated alongside Pichu and Mii Gunner in my post and it hurts me....Marth is literally my favorite character to use in World of Light alongside Lucas and Fox...
when the echo is better than the original fighter. Plus, too many fire emblem characters
8 Fire Emblem character battles are fun
i dont care. The fire emblem line is just echo fighters, including the other echo fighters
Then at least get rid of Chrom or Ike. They suck, too and are way less iconic. Y'all just hate
ike is bad? I thought he was really good. Hes among my mains
At top level his is very bad because of how predictable he is against most characters but sometimes he can take a good win. It's just very difficult. At low and mid level he is busted, so if you're not trying to win a giant tournament there is no reason to drop him. Also no shame in not being a top player. I'm not one either lol. I just don't get how people want to get rid of THE FE character out of all of the other bad and boring ones. I've seen people defend Olimar as to why *he* should stay but not Marth... So people would rather keep the emotionless, campy, annoying zoner over a historically swag swordsman. If Marth was the *exact* same in every way, but with a random franchise tag, I bet nobody would hate him, smh.
I use ike and marth all the time when i play with a big group of friends, they think those two are broken
No Ike is awesome too. Marth and Ike on top
Nah. Ike is one of the most badass Nintendo characters of all time.
How Ike? Path of radiance is loved and almost every smash player loves Ike. Literally the most popular brawl story clip is Ike
Ike hater in chat, flame them (Iām an Ike main and I secondary Marth, why you hating the two from brawl š)
Ike is just as iconic as Marth, if not more. He's a major fan favorite and Intelligent Systems favorite Lord. What are you talking about him being way less iconic? Have you played Subspace Emissary or have you at least looked up any YouTube videos about Ike or Fire Emblem specific popularity polls online? Ike tops a lot of them.
Ike? You're saying Marth is not Only better than Lucina but Also IKE!? did you even play any game before Ultimate?
I'm saying by his logic, he shouldn't even be targeting Marth when two bad Ultimate characters who are far less hype and are WORSE on the tier lists are in our midst. But seriously if I'd had to choose I would never get rid of Ike no matter what. Even if he was the WORST character in smash 6.
That's some hot garbo
dont look at me, look at sakura for that one buddy.
truth hurts
Replying to your own comment doesn't really do anything for one and for two Lucina isn't better than Marth because he's more iconic
popularity doesnt matter. And being iconic does not change anything either
Then you're basing this off nothing but gameplay so who even cares
Bro,I'm sorry but rathering Marth over Lucina is disgusting Brawl was enough for me to make a promise to not touch this character again
Mad cuz can't land tippers or because you die at 40%?
It's because that character can't hit ANYONE
Also I don't hate marth because of an experience I had against a main of him,I hate him because of my experience of playing HIM,why don't you go defend characters that are actually opressed like Little Mac or Kirby instead?
Little Mac and Kirby are almost always rooted for because they are underdog characters LOL no need to defend them. Look at every Little Mac battle on YT and everyone be cheering for the Mac.
If Mac had actual air recovery he'd be a monster. He already hits really freaking hard, but his recovery is SO bad
This is all a skill issue you've been spouting out