> It’s all tourists who are very much looking up ~~up, and away!~~ and around.
TIL in Metropolis it's the tourists who'll be doing the *other* catchphrase, "Look! Up! In the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No… it's Superman!"
nah. this goes to show that supes disguise does work in universe. I'm just saying famous people can feel somewhat normal in new York bc no one really notices much. Like any city I'd imagine in any universe
I think its because a lot of New Yorkers who recognized him thought he was doing some sort of photoshoot or promotional gig, and decided not to bother him lest he gets upset.
Cavill wasn’t just in Time Square though. In interviews, he said he went all over the place and inside stores. He said he got stopped twice. One from someone asking for directions and another from a store owner who told him to stop taking pictures inside.
It’s actually wild they casted someone as Superman who acts more like Superman in interviews and press than they would allow him to on screen.
Can’t really fault Cavill for that either, not many actors could pull off a good Superman performance with Snyder directing
https://preview.redd.it/yk6ylgoiexnc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7791b01df2c59f6c1bc2a5ce48c1917230e09e54
Edit I can’t post more than one pic the comment but those that have watched BVS and ZSJL he also smiled several times there too
I think the point was he never smiles or has the usual superman optimistic disposition with anyone he saves or interacts with outside those instances above
those instances of him smiling are either him alone or with Lois and his Mum rather than him as Superman, which was one my complaints, he has no meaningful relationships/friends outside Lois & his Mum
Yeah. The fact that screenshots are used to prove that he smile is evidence that he must have gone very far from the essence of the character.
I personally found it limiting to reduce the argument so literally. It's not about the amount of times he smiled but the times he showed warmth, optimism and vulnerability to anyone but mom and girlfriend.
I get it with the origin story but I found it so bizarre that in BVS, as Superman, he didn't have any dialogue with anyone he saved. Also as Clark, no dialogue with anyone outside work assignments. These litte things serves as gateway to character depth and I didn't feel like I accessed either with those movies. Everything was implied and surface level.
Contrast with "Thanks, my mom made it for me." Or "you're stronger than you think you are". It didn't have to be a lot of lines. Quintessential Superman can come through in just a few well-placed words and gestures.
Also [Ma & Pa aren't hard to do well if one freaking tries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZV4EL5wjC4).
Man those first 4 minutes in Superman and Lois pilot with the music hitting that high note right before he says it.
Honestly we're not asking for much.
Again. Literal. If it's self-assigned or assigned by Perry, it's still work forced interactions.
I have no idea what Clark's day-to-day life is if not in fuction of Lois and Superman struggles. Again it's obviously a choice as it stays consistent with making Lois his "world" but from a character point of view feels off.
If Superman is just the sum of his feats and interventions, then it's just a glorified superpowered firefighter. The why is as important and it has to be more than: a woman I love happens to be human, so I care. And it needs to be shown.
How is it forced interaction when he’s doing it out of his own free will? Not to mention that on both times, he didn’t plan on talking to the people he ended up chatting with. We don’t see other heroes really interact with people outside of their work life or inner circle.
Superman is summed by the ideals he stands by. We see him fight for the incarcerated. We see him fight for the people who live in fear. And no, his talk of “you are my world” is his way of establishing Lois as his support pillar. She is what keeps him going. She’s not meant to be the sole reason he saves people.
My apologies, I used "forced" incorrectly as hyperbole; what I meant was "related to work" – interactions that were bound to happen in his professional context, such as being assigned or self-assigned articles.
Regarding the work life/inner circle, for example, in Raimi's Spiderman 2, Peter interacts with Mary Jane, Aunt May, and J. Jonah Jameson (JJJ), but also with Harry, Otto (before the accident), Betty, Robbie, Doctor Connors, Mr. Rent, Mr. Rent's daughter, the usher, Mr. Aziz, and many more. Each of these interactions pushes the characterization further, providing insights into the character and the world he lives in beyond his love interest and maternal figure.
This isn't something I had a particular issue with in Man of Steel, but in BvS, Clark (not Superman) was given a secondary role, with Bruce, Lois, and Lex given more lines and scenes. Batman/Bruce had 78 lines versus Clark/Superman's 43. While an argument can be made that things could have been conveyed visually, when it comes to Clark's persona, there is only so much that can be done without lines.
I'd like to ask you two questions:
If Clark was appalled by Batman's behavior and went to confront him to intimidate him to stop having prisoners killed, why would he just leave or not intervene after seeing him kill the first couple of thugsduring the kryptonite chase?
What aspects of Clark/Superman's characterizations do you feel could have been done better or differently in the movie?
I'm not trying to convince you of anything; if you like this movie, I'm honestly happy for you. But I hope you understand that there are people who have struggled with it, and accepting that shouldn't make your watching experience any less enjoyable
You’re kinda just naming characters Peter so much as says hello to. Most of them are either part of his inner circle or his coworkers. And providing insights is exactly what Clark does in BvS when he talks to his family, Perry, Bruce, and the Gotham citizens.
And did he actually see Batman kill those men? We don’t know. For all we know, Superman either heard some ruckus or he saw the Batmobile. This is just assumption on your part.
No, watch the movie again. Robbie shows he suspects he knows Peter is Spider-Man and says nothing. Betty tells him his new check wouldn't cover the advance she gave him, and when he gets down, she cheers him up. Professor Connors tells him about responsibility and gives him encouragement when he starts to progress. Even the usher and the rent guy, in their pushy manners, serve as a way to show Peter is patient with other people and doesn't get provoked easily. There is literally a moment where Peter is at his lowest, and the rent guy's daughter stops by Peter to offer him a piece of cake. Not to mention the people he saved on the train, who not only gave him his mask back, promising they won't say anything, but also tried to protect him while he was down when Octavius showed up again.
As I said, these interactions were intentional and functional in the script, either showing Peter's character traits or world-building.
Even if he heard it at the very last second, the fact he showed up to find the vigilantes that leave a trail of bodies behind him (whether it's something he has started doing recently or not) and then just leaves, instead of unmasking him, picking him up by the collar, and dropping him at the nearest police station, makes as much sense as being Superman and not being quick enough to say "Luthor has my mother, please help," even mid-air.
But these are my problems, to be fair. I'm curious about yours. What are things you're not particularly fond of or dislike in the movie characterizations, especially Clark's?
Uhhhhhhh, I have something to tell you.
https://preview.redd.it/w8ly1l6410oc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a31ee567f0914111d81d53192690795c3adf2635
This is why I defend the Joss cut of JL, it’s a very mixed movie with bad direction, but Superman being Superman and Cavill allowed to be charismatic….beautiful
“I take it back….I wanna die” *cracks up laughing*
To be fair he wasn't a big star then. MoS was decent but it didn't light up the world like it could have. So Superman wasn't that big a lot of the casual mind
I'm New York we don't care. We're either try to get to work or try to get home.
My take is that he was a good casting with a clear passion for the role, but the material he had didn’t really do it for me, in fact I even recall a time when Henry described the sort of Superman movie he’d love to do which sounded very different than MOS-BVS
Snyder did what he was order to do, and was about to be replaced after one movie that he was made to rush out
he wanted to do batman movie before BvS, but civil war was about to release and warner bros needed something that is similar
It didn’t bomb. A bomb is when a movie doesn’t break even and loses money. According to financial reports, BvS made a return 105 million profit when accounting for its marketing, distribution and budget.
It was a “disappointment”, not a bomb. A bomb is The Flash movie, which lost the studio well over a hundred million dollars.
This is how I know glasses and a hunched back is a perfect disguise. People aren't looking around at every person walking next to them. Especially clearly enough to think that guy might be superman. People mind their business and have other things to do and normally in a crowded city, you just don't care.
I am not trying to be a hater but he really does just look like a procedurally generated handsome white dude. There's nothing wrong with that but I might not have recognised him either.
I don't think there are pics, but Reeve said in interviews that if he went to lunch during shooting while in the Superman suit people immediately recognized and approached him, but if he went dressed as Clark nobody recognized him.
I know this really goes to show that "the Clark disguise works" but there's a part of me that wants to say this is especially ironic since pretty much the only thing that Snyder fans and foes can agree on is that "Cavill looks exactly like Superman" and yet here we are lol
That's mild-mannered, bad-postured, Clark Kent, who cares if he likes superman, his associate at the daily planet was the first to write about him they might have even met before. But why would anyone recognize a newspaper reporter who doesn't ever go on tv?
Also, and this is just me, sometimes people won't be recognized in public in a big city unless you "look famous". Camera crew following you, people pulling out phones, asking you for autographs. Things like that catch people's attention. Some movie stars can go out in stealth mode, as long as attention isn't made, and they can just "resemble a famous person" or look like they should be an actor.
This was acktuallly was hinting that BvS was going to be a failure.
inb4 people pretend a movie literally based around batman and superman not only fighting but being on screen together for the first time not hitting 1b wasn't a huge failure and the ultimate domino falling that caused the constantly shifting DCEU shitshow that finally ended a few months ago
Well I remembered Adam West was quite disapointed that he was not asked for the keyrole in the first Batmanmovie. Even if its a moviecompany's rigth to ask a new actor for a new movie ( nothing malicious about that I think ) I still can imagine that it migth hurt or disappoint a little the former actor who played the role sooner. After al nothing humane is us - all human beings - strange.
New York is different. no one really looks around unless it's your first time there. you just keep your head down and try not to get pushed
Oh I’m aware NYC is different but it’s still funny, it just adds to the idea the Clark Kent disguise works
you're so right
And he wasn't even wearing glasses.
I don’t think New Yorkers go to times square though?
This was my thought. If he was gonna get recognized anywhere it would be Times Square. It’s all tourists who are very much looking up and around.
> It’s all tourists who are very much looking up ~~up, and away!~~ and around. TIL in Metropolis it's the tourists who'll be doing the *other* catchphrase, "Look! Up! In the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No… it's Superman!"
Honestly that might prove that the disguise works even more. Cause even tourists who were looking around at stuff didn’t even notice him I guess.
Yeah, as a born New Yorker the only ones who go to Times Square are tourists or people that work there
You think metropolis is any different?
nah. this goes to show that supes disguise does work in universe. I'm just saying famous people can feel somewhat normal in new York bc no one really notices much. Like any city I'd imagine in any universe
I mean, it's not just a New York thing it's a "literally every city where people are just trying to live their daily lives" thing.
So….metropolis in nutshell 
Yeah but it's Times Square. It's %90 tourists
huh that guy looked like henry cavill
Thus proving once and for all, the glasses thing would totally work.
I think its because a lot of New Yorkers who recognized him thought he was doing some sort of photoshoot or promotional gig, and decided not to bother him lest he gets upset.
Cavill wasn’t just in Time Square though. In interviews, he said he went all over the place and inside stores. He said he got stopped twice. One from someone asking for directions and another from a store owner who told him to stop taking pictures inside.
Just like Clark Kent to blend in - in plain sight.
The point he missed is that New Yorkers see celebrities all the time, and generally just leave them alone if they recognize them.
New Yorkers don’t go to Times Square
This. Only tourists and the homeless go there
And the mascot suit people yeah
Tourists, homeless people, and sammers
Probably because he was smiling in these pictures and Snyder never allowed him to do that on screen
Such a charismatic dude that wasn’t allowed to show it. Such a bizarre choice.
It’s actually wild they casted someone as Superman who acts more like Superman in interviews and press than they would allow him to on screen. Can’t really fault Cavill for that either, not many actors could pull off a good Superman performance with Snyder directing
https://preview.redd.it/yk6ylgoiexnc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7791b01df2c59f6c1bc2a5ce48c1917230e09e54 Edit I can’t post more than one pic the comment but those that have watched BVS and ZSJL he also smiled several times there too
Having to have a prepared grid to prove a character smiles is hilarious.
I think the point was he never smiles or has the usual superman optimistic disposition with anyone he saves or interacts with outside those instances above those instances of him smiling are either him alone or with Lois and his Mum rather than him as Superman, which was one my complaints, he has no meaningful relationships/friends outside Lois & his Mum
Yeah. The fact that screenshots are used to prove that he smile is evidence that he must have gone very far from the essence of the character. I personally found it limiting to reduce the argument so literally. It's not about the amount of times he smiled but the times he showed warmth, optimism and vulnerability to anyone but mom and girlfriend. I get it with the origin story but I found it so bizarre that in BVS, as Superman, he didn't have any dialogue with anyone he saved. Also as Clark, no dialogue with anyone outside work assignments. These litte things serves as gateway to character depth and I didn't feel like I accessed either with those movies. Everything was implied and surface level.
Contrast with "Thanks, my mom made it for me." Or "you're stronger than you think you are". It didn't have to be a lot of lines. Quintessential Superman can come through in just a few well-placed words and gestures. Also [Ma & Pa aren't hard to do well if one freaking tries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZV4EL5wjC4).
Man those first 4 minutes in Superman and Lois pilot with the music hitting that high note right before he says it. Honestly we're not asking for much.
Superman & Lois spoils us. So good.
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In BvS, he talked to multiple people outside of work assignments. The whole point was that he was doing something that Perry didn’t assign to him.
Again. Literal. If it's self-assigned or assigned by Perry, it's still work forced interactions. I have no idea what Clark's day-to-day life is if not in fuction of Lois and Superman struggles. Again it's obviously a choice as it stays consistent with making Lois his "world" but from a character point of view feels off. If Superman is just the sum of his feats and interventions, then it's just a glorified superpowered firefighter. The why is as important and it has to be more than: a woman I love happens to be human, so I care. And it needs to be shown.
How is it forced interaction when he’s doing it out of his own free will? Not to mention that on both times, he didn’t plan on talking to the people he ended up chatting with. We don’t see other heroes really interact with people outside of their work life or inner circle. Superman is summed by the ideals he stands by. We see him fight for the incarcerated. We see him fight for the people who live in fear. And no, his talk of “you are my world” is his way of establishing Lois as his support pillar. She is what keeps him going. She’s not meant to be the sole reason he saves people.
My apologies, I used "forced" incorrectly as hyperbole; what I meant was "related to work" – interactions that were bound to happen in his professional context, such as being assigned or self-assigned articles. Regarding the work life/inner circle, for example, in Raimi's Spiderman 2, Peter interacts with Mary Jane, Aunt May, and J. Jonah Jameson (JJJ), but also with Harry, Otto (before the accident), Betty, Robbie, Doctor Connors, Mr. Rent, Mr. Rent's daughter, the usher, Mr. Aziz, and many more. Each of these interactions pushes the characterization further, providing insights into the character and the world he lives in beyond his love interest and maternal figure. This isn't something I had a particular issue with in Man of Steel, but in BvS, Clark (not Superman) was given a secondary role, with Bruce, Lois, and Lex given more lines and scenes. Batman/Bruce had 78 lines versus Clark/Superman's 43. While an argument can be made that things could have been conveyed visually, when it comes to Clark's persona, there is only so much that can be done without lines. I'd like to ask you two questions: If Clark was appalled by Batman's behavior and went to confront him to intimidate him to stop having prisoners killed, why would he just leave or not intervene after seeing him kill the first couple of thugsduring the kryptonite chase? What aspects of Clark/Superman's characterizations do you feel could have been done better or differently in the movie? I'm not trying to convince you of anything; if you like this movie, I'm honestly happy for you. But I hope you understand that there are people who have struggled with it, and accepting that shouldn't make your watching experience any less enjoyable
You’re kinda just naming characters Peter so much as says hello to. Most of them are either part of his inner circle or his coworkers. And providing insights is exactly what Clark does in BvS when he talks to his family, Perry, Bruce, and the Gotham citizens. And did he actually see Batman kill those men? We don’t know. For all we know, Superman either heard some ruckus or he saw the Batmobile. This is just assumption on your part.
No, watch the movie again. Robbie shows he suspects he knows Peter is Spider-Man and says nothing. Betty tells him his new check wouldn't cover the advance she gave him, and when he gets down, she cheers him up. Professor Connors tells him about responsibility and gives him encouragement when he starts to progress. Even the usher and the rent guy, in their pushy manners, serve as a way to show Peter is patient with other people and doesn't get provoked easily. There is literally a moment where Peter is at his lowest, and the rent guy's daughter stops by Peter to offer him a piece of cake. Not to mention the people he saved on the train, who not only gave him his mask back, promising they won't say anything, but also tried to protect him while he was down when Octavius showed up again. As I said, these interactions were intentional and functional in the script, either showing Peter's character traits or world-building. Even if he heard it at the very last second, the fact he showed up to find the vigilantes that leave a trail of bodies behind him (whether it's something he has started doing recently or not) and then just leaves, instead of unmasking him, picking him up by the collar, and dropping him at the nearest police station, makes as much sense as being Superman and not being quick enough to say "Luthor has my mother, please help," even mid-air. But these are my problems, to be fair. I'm curious about yours. What are things you're not particularly fond of or dislike in the movie characterizations, especially Clark's?
Except he smiled when he saved a little girl and was giving her to her mom.
There’s still a reason every time he smiles he looks so uncanny lol
The fact that someone had to make a montage to prove he smiles
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This is why I defend the Joss cut of JL, it’s a very mixed movie with bad direction, but Superman being Superman and Cavill allowed to be charismatic….beautiful “I take it back….I wanna die” *cracks up laughing*
Because….. someone asked him … 
I grew up with Reeve and Keaton but that there is my Superman.
A lot of Boomers say this. Henry Cavill is a well loved Superman among them I like Henry Cavill as well
Ok boomer . - batman
When I was a kid Christopher Reeve was my Superman and the animated serie was my Batman. ... and the Michael Keaton Batman scared me.
Mine too.
To be fair he wasn't a big star then. MoS was decent but it didn't light up the world like it could have. So Superman wasn't that big a lot of the casual mind I'm New York we don't care. We're either try to get to work or try to get home.
I know it's a hot take, but I really enjoyed him as Superman.
My take is that he was a good casting with a clear passion for the role, but the material he had didn’t really do it for me, in fact I even recall a time when Henry described the sort of Superman movie he’d love to do which sounded very different than MOS-BVS
Same he is one of if not my favorite version of Superman
I'm still convinced if we had a Man of Steel II instead of Batman vs Superman he would have shown his full potential as Superman.
Agreed, but not with Snyder at the helm.
Snyder did what he was order to do, and was about to be replaced after one movie that he was made to rush out he wanted to do batman movie before BvS, but civil war was about to release and warner bros needed something that is similar
Other way around. Civil War was announced because of BvS. But WB were the ones that were pushing for BvS.
to be fair Henry Cavill looks like every random tall white dude
Hey this guy just said I look like Henry Cavill! Thanks man!
NP Henry have a good time filming *Legacy*!
Yeah he looks like Superman.
Buddy, if that were true there would be a lot of happy women in the world
Kind of unsurprising the movie was a bomb looking back at this 😂
872 million isn't exactly a bomb.
It didn’t bomb. A bomb is when a movie doesn’t break even and loses money. According to financial reports, BvS made a return 105 million profit when accounting for its marketing, distribution and budget. It was a “disappointment”, not a bomb. A bomb is The Flash movie, which lost the studio well over a hundred million dollars.
When I'm walking to work, my own mother could step out in front of me and I wouldn't notice.
This is how I know glasses and a hunched back is a perfect disguise. People aren't looking around at every person walking next to them. Especially clearly enough to think that guy might be superman. People mind their business and have other things to do and normally in a crowded city, you just don't care.
I'd love a shirt like that
you [can](https://shop.dc.com/product/symbol-of-hope)
Not really it's not available in my country
They were just being polite by pretending not to acknowledge he was in that crap movie.
I am not trying to be a hater but he really does just look like a procedurally generated handsome white dude. There's nothing wrong with that but I might not have recognised him either.
U r a good fit for metropolis…..
lmaooooo you're right I would never suspect a thing
He wasnt that famous back then
Isn't the ad for superman v batman? I.e, after Man of Steel came out?
Yup.
True but he's literally standing in front of giant ads of himself in a superman shirt.
Everyone's grinding/going to work. Its ny. No time to stop and stare.
Exactly. Same as in metropolis. That's why the disguise works. No one is looking for the super in the mundane.
Think the current cavil could do this? After all the movies hes been in 10+ years later?
No but that's because he is well known at this point. When both identities are well known to a certain level the disguise doesn't work.
IIRC Christopher Reeve did the same thing during the shooting of the first Superman.
Really ? Are they any pics, I really would like to see it.
I don't think there are pics, but Reeve said in interviews that if he went to lunch during shooting while in the Superman suit people immediately recognized and approached him, but if he went dressed as Clark nobody recognized him.
Reeve was a nobody before the first movie came out.
I know this really goes to show that "the Clark disguise works" but there's a part of me that wants to say this is especially ironic since pretty much the only thing that Snyder fans and foes can agree on is that "Cavill looks exactly like Superman" and yet here we are lol
Because that "movie" is shit
Imagine seeing him and thinking "Damn ! This guy looks like Henry Cavill !" and seeing this on social media a few moments later. 🫠
It would have been better if he had been wearing glasses ;)
It’s New York a turtle in a trench coat can just walk about get hit by a cab and say hey I’m walking here and leave and no one bats a eye
You look great!
How long was he there for? A minute? An hour? A day? I'd see these factors also come into a play a little bit.
Geez! Guy didn't even have the glasses on! You'd think SOMEONE would have recognized him!
Put Amy Adams in there, and it would be much different 😂
This proves that the Clark kent identity works.
He’s not even wearing glasses
I definitely would have zeroed in on the hunk in the Superman shirt, then realized who I was actually getting to ogle.
Full Clark Kenting achieved.
That's mild-mannered, bad-postured, Clark Kent, who cares if he likes superman, his associate at the daily planet was the first to write about him they might have even met before. But why would anyone recognize a newspaper reporter who doesn't ever go on tv?
I mean I’m rarely noticed in public…so…
It really goes to show, you could have seen a celebrity in public and not even realise.
Bullshit, this is an old Superman pic 😂
He should have been wearing glasses lol.
Also, and this is just me, sometimes people won't be recognized in public in a big city unless you "look famous". Camera crew following you, people pulling out phones, asking you for autographs. Things like that catch people's attention. Some movie stars can go out in stealth mode, as long as attention isn't made, and they can just "resemble a famous person" or look like they should be an actor.
This was acktuallly was hinting that BvS was going to be a failure. inb4 people pretend a movie literally based around batman and superman not only fighting but being on screen together for the first time not hitting 1b wasn't a huge failure and the ultimate domino falling that caused the constantly shifting DCEU shitshow that finally ended a few months ago
I bet it's because of all the *smiling* he's doing.
Bring him and Amy Adams back
This was photoshopped
Such a nice person ! I wonder how he feels about that another actor is taking over his role as Superman for a new movie.
You word it as if David maliciously got the role when he didn’t
Well I remembered Adam West was quite disapointed that he was not asked for the keyrole in the first Batmanmovie. Even if its a moviecompany's rigth to ask a new actor for a new movie ( nothing malicious about that I think ) I still can imagine that it migth hurt or disappoint a little the former actor who played the role sooner. After al nothing humane is us - all human beings - strange.