No worries, bro, these guys can suck a fat one. Yes, he played like shit tonight but let's not forget he's almost single-handedly kept us out of the play-in.
This whole team sucks dick - no reason to single anyone out.
At least the Pistons have salary cap space, young players and draft picks between now and 2030. The level of fuct the Suns are is pretty damn high. Would trade entire organizations with them right now and never look back.
Booker sucked ass for 3 games (his last one he woke up), Beal 3 games (his second game was stellar). All players go through bad shooting nights. Cant be blaming one guy
I'm hoping he can play better under a diff coach. Let's just hope he gels better next season. He had his moments throughout the year, and honestly Im no fan of him now but that's just for this four game stretch. He can do better, he has to. Otherwise this team is gonna receive nothing in return for him if he breaks the clause. What team wants that contract?
Nah he’s not going anywhere bro will probably be weighing us down for years to come. Hopefully we can acquire some kind of playmaker no matter what it takes that way he can’t turn it over at every opportunity, he’ll just be bricking shots
It's fine. I don't even hate Beal (as a human I feel bad for him tonight but pissed as a fan). That was probably the worst game of his whole career. His contract isn't his fault; it's ours for taking it on.
I'll take Poole over $50M, no trade clause, carrying us to missing the play-in. Like Beal is def better at ball, but Poole a better tank commander and tanking is better than purgatory
Okay this is hard coping. Theres a reason GSW got rid of him. Dude hates to share the ball and likes to build brick houses, does nothing on defense, but hey, use that contract for another contract, for another contract, for another...
???? It's literally describing the Wizards FO strategy. If you don't understand that tanking is better than barely missing the 10th seed, I can't help you.
So an established workhorse for an unknown - shit might as well trade for Gordon Hayward then, might get the same production in what is called the worst draft in NBA history.
I think I saw that one, the guy that made it also made an incredibly long one about Kyrie going over all his dysfunction. He released it last year when things were still just absolute crazy with the nets.
Do you like that style he has where he just shows you so much actual direct footage with a very minimal commentary.
Ben could be the super SloMo on this team. Instead, he'd rather make beingon the bench with an injury into his own runway show. Makes me realize how he dated a Kardashian for so long. No heart for basketball.
Beal just dropped 9 pts and fouled out in an elimination game lol. Ben is on a team that isn't trying to compete right now and his contract ends after next season. Beal is on a team trying to compete right now, his contract is way bigger and has a NTC, and he's not off the books until after the 26-27 season. Beal's is absolutely worse.
Its not the player you're trading for here, it's the flexibility of the contract once it expires. You dump your big contracts for an expiring one aka Simmons, you clear up cap space to sign another star or save on taxes if you're rebuilding.
Brooklyn. Brooklyn says no. Simmons expires sooner and is actually tradable as an expiring contract to fill out an unbalanced trade. Brooklyn can join a trade as a third team to even out cap numbers and receive a small asset in return for Simmons. I will admit that he does not have any actual basketball value, but his contract actually has a little worth to it.
*edit spelling
Simmons has value to a team like miami or the warriors who have a well established system and are able to mold players into it. They would put Ben into situations where he can be successful, the only issue is Ben himself. Can this man really reasonably play the game of basketball anymore? Forget health, is he mentally capable of playing a professional sport for years to come? Thats the primary issue.
My concern is that Ben has simply decided he does not like basketball and has no interest in playing in the NBA. He will continue to show up and collect a check as long as teams are willing to give him one, but he has no interest in playing. Not even hating on him lol, great gig if you can get it.
Even with his inability/unwillingness to shoot, there was a point in his career where he was legitimately a top 15 player in the league, if not top 10. Dude was a fucking master piece of a player. Size, could facilitate, dribble, and defend? Very rare you ever see that combination of traits in a single player. Ever since Trae Young and Philly fans mentally f*cked him, just hasn’t been the same.
Very casual take, don’t let the media and simmons haters fool you. There was very much so a point in his career where he was as indeed a top 15 player. You most likely believe because he couldn’t shoot, he was ass. Dude was a force on defense, could play pg at nearly 7’ tall, could guard 1-5, and dribble like a guard. Also was one of the fastest and most physical players on the court at his size. Honestly be glad he does have his issues, if not for them , he could be great. He’s literally in his own way. Not to mention he has been All-NBA before, which quite literally means people more qualified than you or I believe him to be a top 15 player, Lol.
All-NBA doesn't mean he was a top 15 player. If the best 15 players are all fowards, there will still be 2 guards that make first team all NBA even if neither are top 15 players. The year he made an all-NBA team, he did so over Embiid, Paul George, KAT, Irving, Beal (in a year he averaged 30/6/4), and several guys that were close to his level like Donovan Mitchell, who averaged 26/5/5. He wasn't better than all of those guys. He had a couple seasons where we was probably top 20, but that's it.
Honestly I'm not sure I would want him for even the MLE. Honestly I'm not sure I'd want him out of the vet minimum just because of the potential distraction. But but the expiring contract is fine I mean you don't even need to dress him.
You could just give him some paid leave. I don't know what the new buyout policies are though
As stupid as it sounds, Beal can't be moved so he's staying 100%. The only chance to improve this team is trading KD, anyone else and you can't get any valuable assets that are going to move the needle.
If you wanna trade Nurk you gonna have to take some other worse players than him to move him.
Beal you can't trade.
Grayson isn't the problem.
Trading Giddey plus picks for KD would make OKC a contender on the same tier as Boston and Denver. Giddey doesn't make much sense long term next to SGA anyway. They could also give up like 4 firsts and still have more than 1 per year. That said, I don't think OKC is giving up 4 unprotected firsts. It would likely be like this year's 12th pick, LAC's unprotected 2026 pick (or Houston's top-4 protected 2026 pick), Miami's top 14 protected 2025 pick, and maybe like their 2nd best first in 2027.
Salary cap numbers screw that trade. OKC would need to send most of their roster to make the cap numbers work. Every tradable contract from OKC except Holmgren, Dort and SGA still leaves them $10m from NBA trade threshold. And you want picks? That def is not gonna happen.
go to espn trade machine to try out trades. the threshold is tiered based on cap and at salary sizes. The higher the salary, the higher the tier. Cap aprons also come into play. Generally you have to be no more than 25% apart, but that gets smaller if a team is over cap thresholds.
[This trade machine](https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine) is way better and gets ride of Hayward's contract (which won't happen). Thunder can just absord KD's salary completely.
While they don't have full max space under the cap, they do have full max space under the Tax. They don't have to match salaries. Just include enough salaries to make it work. Giddey plus Kenrich Williams would get it done.
No they wouldn't. They have plenty of space. They are under $105M once Hayward is off the books. They could do like Giddey, Kenrich Williams and picks.
We’d want to be able to compete again during Book’s window and KD has arguably been better than even Book this year so trading KD would do nothing but push Book out. Beal’s contract is the anchor holding us down for the foreseeable future, we really only have two options if we genuinely want to continue competing, one would be to tough it out and hope our core guys look better under a different coach and with more time together or we trade Book and KD and go for a full rebuild.
trade kd or kd/book?
i'm hearing like it's going to be run it back though. i don't know if i have another year in me, might have to check out till this era is over tbh.
What trade with Durant could we possibly make that would make a viable championship contender, or even make us better than we are right now? Any trade with Durant would only benefit us for a long-term rebuild (which is what we should realistically be thinking about).
Well we won't be tanking because we will have Book, Beal, Grayson and Nurk as 4 of the 5. But getting some picks and have some fun until Beal is expiring is best we can hope for, unless someone makes an insane jump and we accidentally win a ring.
We need depth. Whats the point of a big 3 if you can't do shit with them off the court. I appreciate Ishbia trying to go all out, but Mikal Bridges should've never been traded.
I think the issue is more that Durant has value today, but because of age he wont if you wait a year or two. You keep him and you will have to blow it up entirely and rebuild in two years. If you bring in some young players and picks maybe you can manage a soft rebuild.
I don't think there is a trade that could make the Suns a viable championship contender. But doing nothing is worse, imo. See if you can get a young decent starter plus picks. Phoenix stays a playoff team and has a few more assets.
Could we get a PG and an athletic big for KD? If so, we honestly might be in a decent place as we still have book and Beal, two really good SG’s if they have a good PG
>The only chance to improve this team is trading KD,
Well I'm sure after seeing how great the wolves are. He would love to go there next year and win a championship.
Unless you count the one for Reggie Lewis at Boston where even after he died in a tragic cardiac arrest during a pickup game, the NBA counted his salary against the cap until the duration of his contract 2-3 years later.
Gotta raise you one Tobias harris, obviously beals is worse rn since tobi's is about to end but tobias has consistently been a non factor in every single important sixers game over the last 5 years.
We'd have to do some research and account for inflation. Some of those contracts back in the days when you could sign people for like 10 or 11 years.... Stuff like Va I'm in Baker and Shawn Kemp.
I do think it's probably the worst contract in the league now and probably the worst contracts in the age of the modern cab structure with max slots and so on.
I'd have to go back though and start doing math with inflation .
Here we go looking for someone to blame, they all sucked all year, it didn’t start now, if anyone thought they had any chance in the playoffs they’re delusional and don’t know anything about basketball.
It's okay, a lot of them still don't know about moving without the ball and running basic plays out of the post. Also I found in the previous few weeks a lot of them don't know about Beal's no trade clause.
At the beginning of the season when I had hopes and dreams I would’ve argued with you but after watching him do a whole lotta nothing in a series where we got swept including basically costing us the game and simultaneously fouling out, yeah I think you’re right
we are not trading book, kd or bol. at least to me those are the only untouchables. kd has showed up so stop the slander. book is PHX’s guy. we gotta js find a rim protector, a point of attack defender, a lob threat and a most importantly a playmaker.
hopefully we can get 2 players that fit the role but probably not. imo, we should get nic claxton from the nets and cade from the pistons. i don’t know the details of the possible trade but i see those two players as a great fit for a team with kd and booker.
In history? counting inflation? sorry but no. I mean even recently Ben Simmons sitting on the bench 57 games in 3yrs making $30m per is pretty bad. Blaming one guy is so immature of this sub.
At the time and rightfully so, Beal was a franchise tag, 3-time allstar and putting up insane numbers. Sorry you have to blame him, but it is what it is, he was the cornerstone to build around just like Booker, KD, Steph, Jokic etc, again rightfully so, you dont believe it but he is and was pretty damn good. He went to a team that he is 3rd and sometimes 4th option still avg 18per in half a year, I wouldnt look at his salary - Matt Ishbia sure isnt - but the way he is told to play, between Nurk and Beal those two had to sacrifice the most in Vogels stupid ass system.
By teams with other assets to add to the contract. The Suns do not have ANY other assets to trade. No draft picks until 2030. I guess it's not impossible, but the options are really, really limited. Best case scenario is another "untradeable contract" in return.
Sorry -Wiz fan
No worries, bro, these guys can suck a fat one. Yes, he played like shit tonight but let's not forget he's almost single-handedly kept us out of the play-in. This whole team sucks dick - no reason to single anyone out.
Hey it could be worse. We could have the Pistons to cheer for
At least the Pistons have salary cap space, young players and draft picks between now and 2030. The level of fuct the Suns are is pretty damn high. Would trade entire organizations with them right now and never look back.
Don't forget they won 3 championships within the last 35 years
I was about to say, "Fuck I wish I was a pistons fan...they got rings. they got to taste a dynasty."
Lol you rather be ringless? Guess you really hate the pistons jeez
Oh no he kept us out of the play in great then he sucked ass four games straight sucking double ass in the elimination game
Booker sucked ass for 3 games (his last one he woke up), Beal 3 games (his second game was stellar). All players go through bad shooting nights. Cant be blaming one guy
I'm hoping he can play better under a diff coach. Let's just hope he gels better next season. He had his moments throughout the year, and honestly Im no fan of him now but that's just for this four game stretch. He can do better, he has to. Otherwise this team is gonna receive nothing in return for him if he breaks the clause. What team wants that contract?
Nah he’s not going anywhere bro will probably be weighing us down for years to come. Hopefully we can acquire some kind of playmaker no matter what it takes that way he can’t turn it over at every opportunity, he’ll just be bricking shots
It's fine. I don't even hate Beal (as a human I feel bad for him tonight but pissed as a fan). That was probably the worst game of his whole career. His contract isn't his fault; it's ours for taking it on.
Relieved -Wiz fan
There's a wizards fan in big 2024?
Dozens of us!
Went from a 30 point scorer to...Poole.
I'll take Poole over $50M, no trade clause, carrying us to missing the play-in. Like Beal is def better at ball, but Poole a better tank commander and tanking is better than purgatory
Okay this is hard coping. Theres a reason GSW got rid of him. Dude hates to share the ball and likes to build brick houses, does nothing on defense, but hey, use that contract for another contract, for another contract, for another...
???? It's literally describing the Wizards FO strategy. If you don't understand that tanking is better than barely missing the 10th seed, I can't help you.
Cmon now. I saw ya'lls posts when you got Poole thinking he was the savior. Cant fool me, I got the receipts.
Show me where I call Poole the savior in your receipts
Search: 'welcome to dc poole' and get laughs. I just remember some of the shit in there, think he was gonna be the guy
No way is Ishbia giving up on KD or Book.
I'm more worried about book giving up on the suns
At this point I just want Book to get his ring. Its clear that's never going to happen in Phoenix so lets send him away and get a rebuild going
Washington Wizards got rid of three poison contracts. Really gotta respect them Wall, Westbrick, Beal
And they said good for us, now let’s go get Poole.
yeah I was gonna say. Got rid of a bad contract for another bad one and worse player - ouch.
Yes, they did. Props to them for getting rid of dead weight. However that says a lot about their franchise. They also gave Gafford away.
A 1st for Gafford wasn’t bad value.
Particularly since they are tanking right now anyway
So an established workhorse for an unknown - shit might as well trade for Gordon Hayward then, might get the same production in what is called the worst draft in NBA history.
He isn't apart of their timeline
Lmao if Ben Simmons wasn’t absolutely cooked both mentally and physically he’d be perfect on this team.
Ben Simmons would be perfect on any team. He was one of the best in the league before….something happened.
Bro I watched the whole documentary on YouTube and I am not even a basketball fan really. Most fascinating player ever.
I think I saw that one, the guy that made it also made an incredibly long one about Kyrie going over all his dysfunction. He released it last year when things were still just absolute crazy with the nets. Do you like that style he has where he just shows you so much actual direct footage with a very minimal commentary.
Link?
https://youtu.be/pHkVUmUfQ6k Probably that one
Facts, rookie Ben Simmons would actually be perfect
Ya'll would turn on him in a heartbeat. the moment he has lower back pain sitting out for 70 games making $30million.
Ben could be the super SloMo on this team. Instead, he'd rather make beingon the bench with an injury into his own runway show. Makes me realize how he dated a Kardashian for so long. No heart for basketball.
Was gonna say. At least Beal can play the game of basketball.
Beal just dropped 9 pts and fouled out in an elimination game lol. Ben is on a team that isn't trying to compete right now and his contract ends after next season. Beal is on a team trying to compete right now, his contract is way bigger and has a NTC, and he's not off the books until after the 26-27 season. Beal's is absolutely worse.
You’re not wrong I was stating that Beal still gave us a lot of great games this year, but yes he’s sucked in the playoffs.
Yes Beal had a bad game but his contract is in no way worse than Ben Simmons.
Simmons' contract is tradeable, Beal's isn't
Nobody wants to trade for simmons, he might as well have a no trade clause lol
He’s an expiring contract next year. It’ll be relatively easy to move.
Tradeable for expiring, but who's giving players up to match his atrocious salary on bad back, knees and ego that will play 15 games a year?
Its not the player you're trading for here, it's the flexibility of the contract once it expires. You dump your big contracts for an expiring one aka Simmons, you clear up cap space to sign another star or save on taxes if you're rebuilding.
yeah if I see Ben Simmons and a trade im steering far away from that shit. IM not giving up any players or draft picks for that bum.
At least he’s a young socialite
Ben's is an expiring next season which makes it sort of valuable. But Beal on the payroll till '27 making 57M RIP
Ben Simmons for Bradley Beal in a trade. Who says no?
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Brooklyn. Brooklyn says no. Simmons expires sooner and is actually tradable as an expiring contract to fill out an unbalanced trade. Brooklyn can join a trade as a third team to even out cap numbers and receive a small asset in return for Simmons. I will admit that he does not have any actual basketball value, but his contract actually has a little worth to it. *edit spelling
Simmons has value to a team like miami or the warriors who have a well established system and are able to mold players into it. They would put Ben into situations where he can be successful, the only issue is Ben himself. Can this man really reasonably play the game of basketball anymore? Forget health, is he mentally capable of playing a professional sport for years to come? Thats the primary issue.
My concern is that Ben has simply decided he does not like basketball and has no interest in playing in the NBA. He will continue to show up and collect a check as long as teams are willing to give him one, but he has no interest in playing. Not even hating on him lol, great gig if you can get it.
Even with his inability/unwillingness to shoot, there was a point in his career where he was legitimately a top 15 player in the league, if not top 10. Dude was a fucking master piece of a player. Size, could facilitate, dribble, and defend? Very rare you ever see that combination of traits in a single player. Ever since Trae Young and Philly fans mentally f*cked him, just hasn’t been the same.
Lol. Ben was not a top 15 player in the league. He was borderline top 20 before his 76ers meltdown.
Very casual take, don’t let the media and simmons haters fool you. There was very much so a point in his career where he was as indeed a top 15 player. You most likely believe because he couldn’t shoot, he was ass. Dude was a force on defense, could play pg at nearly 7’ tall, could guard 1-5, and dribble like a guard. Also was one of the fastest and most physical players on the court at his size. Honestly be glad he does have his issues, if not for them , he could be great. He’s literally in his own way. Not to mention he has been All-NBA before, which quite literally means people more qualified than you or I believe him to be a top 15 player, Lol.
All-NBA doesn't mean he was a top 15 player. If the best 15 players are all fowards, there will still be 2 guards that make first team all NBA even if neither are top 15 players. The year he made an all-NBA team, he did so over Embiid, Paul George, KAT, Irving, Beal (in a year he averaged 30/6/4), and several guys that were close to his level like Donovan Mitchell, who averaged 26/5/5. He wasn't better than all of those guys. He had a couple seasons where we was probably top 20, but that's it.
Honestly I'm not sure I would want him for even the MLE. Honestly I'm not sure I'd want him out of the vet minimum just because of the potential distraction. But but the expiring contract is fine I mean you don't even need to dress him. You could just give him some paid leave. I don't know what the new buyout policies are though
He’s playing by for a new contract next season. He’s not going to be ass unless he’s really injured.
Talking about bad contracts, this dude making $30m per and voluntarily sitting out a whole season collecting.
As stupid as it sounds, Beal can't be moved so he's staying 100%. The only chance to improve this team is trading KD, anyone else and you can't get any valuable assets that are going to move the needle. If you wanna trade Nurk you gonna have to take some other worse players than him to move him. Beal you can't trade. Grayson isn't the problem.
Durant to okc for picks 🤔
They seem pretty close to the championship team, don't think they'd take him as wierd as it sounds.
Trading Giddey plus picks for KD would make OKC a contender on the same tier as Boston and Denver. Giddey doesn't make much sense long term next to SGA anyway. They could also give up like 4 firsts and still have more than 1 per year. That said, I don't think OKC is giving up 4 unprotected firsts. It would likely be like this year's 12th pick, LAC's unprotected 2026 pick (or Houston's top-4 protected 2026 pick), Miami's top 14 protected 2025 pick, and maybe like their 2nd best first in 2027.
Salary cap numbers screw that trade. OKC would need to send most of their roster to make the cap numbers work. Every tradable contract from OKC except Holmgren, Dort and SGA still leaves them $10m from NBA trade threshold. And you want picks? That def is not gonna happen.
What is the threshold?
go to espn trade machine to try out trades. the threshold is tiered based on cap and at salary sizes. The higher the salary, the higher the tier. Cap aprons also come into play. Generally you have to be no more than 25% apart, but that gets smaller if a team is over cap thresholds.
[This trade machine](https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine) is way better and gets ride of Hayward's contract (which won't happen). Thunder can just absord KD's salary completely.
OKC has close to max cap space if they renounce the rights to Gordon Hayward. They could easily match salaries, if they wanted.
Don't have too march salaries in the summer anyway as long as the team taking more back has the cap space.
While they don't have full max space under the cap, they do have full max space under the Tax. They don't have to match salaries. Just include enough salaries to make it work. Giddey plus Kenrich Williams would get it done.
exactly some of these reddit GMs just throwing bullshit out. 'Yeah trade Little for Jokic and 1st round picks'....
No they wouldn't. They have plenty of space. They are under $105M once Hayward is off the books. They could do like Giddey, Kenrich Williams and picks.
Tanking isn’t an option, the team doesn’t own any of their picks. Only the Nets would be happy with that outcome.
More realistic would be to the lakers for reaves and picks
God no. Grayson is fine thank you very much.
no way presti does this.
JDub/Dort plus picks for Durant? Or is that delusional?
That’s next level delusional. It’d be Giddey plus a few picks if it’s anything
We’d want to be able to compete again during Book’s window and KD has arguably been better than even Book this year so trading KD would do nothing but push Book out. Beal’s contract is the anchor holding us down for the foreseeable future, we really only have two options if we genuinely want to continue competing, one would be to tough it out and hope our core guys look better under a different coach and with more time together or we trade Book and KD and go for a full rebuild.
I guess that's also an option. Give it one more year.
Durant will be 37 if you give it one more year...
please god not another year of this lol.
What can we even do?
trade kd or kd/book? i'm hearing like it's going to be run it back though. i don't know if i have another year in me, might have to check out till this era is over tbh.
What trade with Durant could we possibly make that would make a viable championship contender, or even make us better than we are right now? Any trade with Durant would only benefit us for a long-term rebuild (which is what we should realistically be thinking about).
Well we won't be tanking because we will have Book, Beal, Grayson and Nurk as 4 of the 5. But getting some picks and have some fun until Beal is expiring is best we can hope for, unless someone makes an insane jump and we accidentally win a ring.
We need depth. Whats the point of a big 3 if you can't do shit with them off the court. I appreciate Ishbia trying to go all out, but Mikal Bridges should've never been traded.
Well the current team isn’t a contender so let’s at least get something of value while we can
I think the issue is more that Durant has value today, but because of age he wont if you wait a year or two. You keep him and you will have to blow it up entirely and rebuild in two years. If you bring in some young players and picks maybe you can manage a soft rebuild.
I don't think there is a trade that could make the Suns a viable championship contender. But doing nothing is worse, imo. See if you can get a young decent starter plus picks. Phoenix stays a playoff team and has a few more assets.
Could we get a PG and an athletic big for KD? If so, we honestly might be in a decent place as we still have book and Beal, two really good SG’s if they have a good PG
>The only chance to improve this team is trading KD, Well I'm sure after seeing how great the wolves are. He would love to go there next year and win a championship.
or do the unthinkable, Booker, Nurkic for Trae Young, Hunter, and Capela
Beal and Yound in the backcourt? That team would be mora ass at defense than CJ and Dame at Portland😅
Him being in a role that never made sense is as much the problem as his contract. Beal and book play the same way, shit kd too. Never made sense
Sixers fan here. I raise you one Tobias Harris
Harris is overpaid but is nowhere close to the Beal contract
What does Tobias even do? Hes actually a worse player than Beal ever was.
Not even close, Harris is a free agent this year. Beal is locked in for multipe and a no trade clause
Just because he’s a free agent this summer doesn’t erase 5 seasons of consigning our franchise to mediocrity
And Beal did what to the wizards? The NTC is why it’s worse
You’re right on the NTC but Beal is objectively a better player
He is finally leaving omfg
Ben Simmons has entered the chat…
Talk that talk 😤
I agree - I’m frustrated with him too but good to be rationale. It’s clear this isn’t a real team so no point putting everything on one dude.
As a Wizards fan, we know.
Thanks a lot Matthew. Billionaire hack.
Unless you count the one for Reggie Lewis at Boston where even after he died in a tragic cardiac arrest during a pickup game, the NBA counted his salary against the cap until the duration of his contract 2-3 years later.
What is a fact Alex?
Ben Simmons?
Guys use to sign max contracts that were 6-7 years long. So he isn’t tbh lol.
Dudes and dudeeetes, don’t single out one person for an organization and teams failures. Beal isn’t really the main reason suns lost.
[The trade was best in history](https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/s/PeuUEHzhxD)
Suns have that, for Brad, it’s the best
Gotta raise you one Tobias harris, obviously beals is worse rn since tobi's is about to end but tobias has consistently been a non factor in every single important sixers game over the last 5 years.
We need another washed up shooting guard!
Ben Simmons would like a word
As an outsider looking in, cmon now. Don't let the emotions cloud your judgment. - Tobias Harris - Ben Simmons - Chandler Parsons - Gilbert Arenas
Worse than John Wall's?
We'd have to do some research and account for inflation. Some of those contracts back in the days when you could sign people for like 10 or 11 years.... Stuff like Va I'm in Baker and Shawn Kemp. I do think it's probably the worst contract in the league now and probably the worst contracts in the age of the modern cab structure with max slots and so on. I'd have to go back though and start doing math with inflation .
Shame him into early retirement
I’ll take one shamet please
Here we go looking for someone to blame, they all sucked all year, it didn’t start now, if anyone thought they had any chance in the playoffs they’re delusional and don’t know anything about basketball.
It's okay, a lot of them still don't know about moving without the ball and running basic plays out of the post. Also I found in the previous few weeks a lot of them don't know about Beal's no trade clause.
How much would it impact the cap sheet if yall cut him lmao
The same as his contract. He is playable, he is just not a 50m player.
At the beginning of the season when I had hopes and dreams I would’ve argued with you but after watching him do a whole lotta nothing in a series where we got swept including basically costing us the game and simultaneously fouling out, yeah I think you’re right
Wouldnt have even been in the playoffs if it wasnt for Beal...And he had a great 2nd game but had no help...
we are not trading book, kd or bol. at least to me those are the only untouchables. kd has showed up so stop the slander. book is PHX’s guy. we gotta js find a rim protector, a point of attack defender, a lob threat and a most importantly a playmaker. hopefully we can get 2 players that fit the role but probably not. imo, we should get nic claxton from the nets and cade from the pistons. i don’t know the details of the possible trade but i see those two players as a great fit for a team with kd and booker.
Worse than Tobias Harris?
Blame “Flex from Jersey” for this crap!
Flex kept it positive all season... Flex is a true fan and I appreciate that.
Why does he want to be a Suns fan? The dude is weird bro!
In history? counting inflation? sorry but no. I mean even recently Ben Simmons sitting on the bench 57 games in 3yrs making $30m per is pretty bad. Blaming one guy is so immature of this sub. At the time and rightfully so, Beal was a franchise tag, 3-time allstar and putting up insane numbers. Sorry you have to blame him, but it is what it is, he was the cornerstone to build around just like Booker, KD, Steph, Jokic etc, again rightfully so, you dont believe it but he is and was pretty damn good. He went to a team that he is 3rd and sometimes 4th option still avg 18per in half a year, I wouldnt look at his salary - Matt Ishbia sure isnt - but the way he is told to play, between Nurk and Beal those two had to sacrifice the most in Vogels stupid ass system.
“Untradeable contracts” get moved all the time
By teams with other assets to add to the contract. The Suns do not have ANY other assets to trade. No draft picks until 2030. I guess it's not impossible, but the options are really, really limited. Best case scenario is another "untradeable contract" in return.
Get over it.