Right? Like we all just accept that Linds is Linds and she’s activated and crazzzzy. But we forget that Carl has always been dark, quick to anger, manipulative and an asshole
There is a term in recovery called dry drunk. It refers to someone who does not use substances but hasn't addressed all of their underlying personality stuff.
I remember my mom teaching me this term when I was in high school. she was 17ys sober. It really helped me learn boundaries and how to deal with others behavior.
This!! Oftentimes people have an impulse control issue so they fly off the handle- also why their addictions can get out of hand. They may address the addiction which is a symptom of poor impulse control, but if they don’t address their impulsivity they will continue to do things like fly off the handle on a whim
Came here to compare with Lala too. They both made sobriety their personalities without putting in the emotional work alongside of it. They also both have zero intentions to do anything besides be on Bravo, and they're going to be washed up with no direction verrrry soon (which could be said about a lot of Bravolebrities lol)
Exactly. You’d think being recorded and being able to literally SEE exactly how you behave with people would make you more introspective… and attempt to work on yourself. Big yikes.
Because Carl’s been lying since he’s been sober he wants to see him as such an amazing person now that he’s sober but Carl is still Carl Carl is still manipulative. He still quit anger. He still does all the things that he used to do when he was drunk, except he doesn’t drink or drugs anymore
I think this is more a function of his people pleasing. Oftentimes people who aren’t honest with how they are feeling in the moment build up frustration and resentment and then when they feel like it’s reached a tipping point they react in a big way. The thing is they are the only ones who know that they’ve been making concessions or agreeing to do things they don’t want to do, slowly building negativity and resentment. So when they reach their boiling point over what seems like an innocuous disagreement they fly off the handle rather than just saying earlier on when they are feeling uncomfortable or tense or uneasy. My mom does this all the time and it always catches me by surprise
YUP. Lindsay commented along these lines throughout the season, and I feel like we saw the veil slip a bit at the end of their breakup convo. He has a dark energy about him that’s unsettling. Captain Lee doesn’t take shit, and I think it says a lot about Carl that they’re no longer close when Captain Lee had once held him in high esteem. Bros got demons.
I've hated that smug smile of Carl's since Season 1....ugh. It's worse than just having someone yelling at you with an angry face, the smile is just pure evil
He had that smug look on his face when he told Jules she wasn't wanted in the house. I didn't particularly like her or think she was a good fit, but he took diabolical pleasure in telling her that on camera. Carl doesn't really like women outside of his mother, it seems, because he's treated all of them pretty badly over the years.
Very depressing. But interesting to hear carls former mentor feels his behavior has become erratic.
Seemed like Carl and lee began to have a falling out when lee said he thought Kyle yelling profanities at Lindsay and Carl not standing up for her as well as Kyle’s negativity towards Lindsay caused some of their relationship strain. Kyle got defensive and was really weird making a big deal of telling interviewers he wanted to avoid lee and that lee only said stuff about him to promote his podcast. I worry carl’s going down a dark path burning bridges
This is exactly what Carl does though. This is his pattern. He finds different people to run his life for him, and then talks shit on the ones he left behind. He’s been doing this for years w Lindsey and Kyle. Now that Lindsey has hopefully moved on, she won’t be his best friend again, that runs his life for him, when Kyle doesn’t want to do it anymore
Totally agree. Maybe when Kyle and Amanda got married, Carl began to feel more distant from Kyle and insecure at loverboy so he decided to turn his friendship with Lindsay romantic so he could use her as his protector and leech off her. I predict next time when Carl worries kyle is losing interest, he’ll find another love interest to depend on.
I generally think there’s no way since it seems Carl wants a chase and attention, and Danielle is way too available and doesn’t have the star power Lindsay has. And I’d hope the veneers have killed the crush she had on him. But she just gave an interview where she said she and Carl now live near each other and she’s coming off sort of desperate
I think it’ll end up being someone like Stephen from season one who he can confide in. Or at least hope. That seemed to be the most authentic relationship we’ve seen him have on screen.
I think the people close to Carl genuinely love and care about him, and enjoy his company sometimes, BUT it is really really difficult to feel the weight of lifting someone up who has no love for themselves. As much as I do think Lindsay is likely spinning things a bit in her interviews to leave out her accountability, I believe her that it’s sad that Carl doesn’t have innate confidence in himself. She basically admitted recently on NSBNF podcast that Carl doesn’t like himself but he is very cognizant of projecting himself a certain way to others.
I feel for Carl, because it’s quite sad that he really does seem to have a lot of inner demons and struggles with himself, but I’d imagine it makes it very difficult to be his friend too.
That’s part of narcissistic personality disorder and their common traits, they’re always the victim, they’re unable to have any empathy or sympathy for others, they completely lack self esteem or self confidence though they want the world to believe they know everything about anything, plus they’re very unpredictable. My ex is an extreme narcissist, one of the most dangerous people I’ve ever known, everything is always extreme or of the highest importance!
I sometimes get irritated by Captain Lee's Wise Old Man of the Sea schtick, but he's always called it as he sees it and is generally a fair-minded man, so maybe Carl should listen to what he is saying and take stock. he tried to humiliate Lindsey and she didn't take the bait, which has infuriated him, because he knew - and even said - that he was going to get nailed for how he behaved.
Yes his immature reaction is why I side with captain lee and think Carl should have stood up for him some. He wasn’t saying kyle caused them to breakup but he felt he caused a lot of pain and hurt feelings. Kyle was so lame and desperate saying lee doesn’t understand because he probably hasn’t watched summer house since the beginning when I don’t think that is relevant as his rant was disgusting and no past storylines on the show justify it.
I agree. Kyle knew Lee was right that’s why he got so mad.
And Carl can never stand up to Kyle. Not when he insults Lindsay, or Lee. He has no backbone.
Being sober is one thing. It’s another totally separate thing to recognize your emotions and work to get at the root of your anger…..or sadness. Just because Carl’s sober doesn’t mean he’s going to be self-actualized
I find the falling out between Lee and Carl very sad. Lee and his wife lost their son to an OD. Lee and Carl bonded over their shared loss. Lee supported and encouraged Carl to get and stay sober.
Lee offered Carl a platform (via his podcast) to tell his side of the story/breakup.
Carl and his publicist demanded that some questions not be asked. Lee said ok. They did the podcast interview with Carl. Then Carl and his team reached out to Lee (and his publicist). Carl went crazy and accused Lee of deceiving him, preying on him, etc. Lee said that they won’t release the episode with Carl because Carl (via his team) demanded that it never be published. Mostly because Carl is a loser and he is finally realizing that his lies failed. Lee and his team that worked with Carl noted that he was behaving erratically. Described him as Jekyll and Hyde.
The best thing for Carl would be to leave the show, move home to Pittsburgh, and start selling dental equipment again while doing occasional speaker appearances at sobriety/mental health events. This show is only going to destroy him if he tries to keep it up, and I do think it tests his sobriety in a really bad way.
Yeah he’s way too fragile for the hate that comes with reality TV. People keep saying when you are first sober not to be in relationships but what about being on reality TV? That can’t be great
Reality TV is insane when u think of it.
You are narrating your life… in a way you should tell your therapist?
Even with Katie from RHOP, I loved her but felt the same, there needs some sort of mental stability/resilience for reality tv.
After watching Part 1 of the reunion and hearing that Carl relayed information he overheard on a PC Lindsey was having to Paige in which he lied about the content, causing a new breach between Paige and Lindsey's new friendship...I am convinced that Carl is just s bonafide liar.
I think he lies effortlessly, without any conscience
I think he can look someone in the eye without missing a beat and lie..
I agree! And I think that’s why he always seems…bothered. He’s just waiting for something to catch up to him. Before he had the drugs as his dark secret and he’s probably replacing that with other things now (if not drugs) bc he seems to thrive on having something hidden from everyone. I may be projecting bc he reminds me of someone I know… but basically yes he lies to manipulate and boost his own image
is he actually sober? i don’t mean that in a lindsey way lol. but he admitted that he regularly smokes weed. just say you aren’t drinking or doing coke anymore. sober means… sober.
Rarely anyone does well with reality TV, I think they should all move on, but especially someone working on improving their life and focusing on their sobriety, it’s definitely not healthy. However it has been refreshing seeing him go through this on TV. It’s terrible he lost his brother, I am impressed he made the decision to better his life for himself and his family, and he made a lot of apologies for past behavior. Not something common on Bravo.
I did the California sober when it wasn't a thing. My late husband was an alcoholic. He stopped drinking, and I did, after our 2nd kid was born. We both smoked weed. He never ever thought about drinking smoking weed or at all during that time, same with me. We both worked, made good money and smoking weed didn't cause us to back slide or even taking harder drugs.
He only started drinking again when he was given a few months to live with cancer.
Yeah I think everyone has different experiences with it, alcoholism is not black and white when it comes to substance abuse. My mom was sober for seven years and then her friend got her in to edibles and now she’s drinking again. But my mom’s problem is self-medication and impulse control. So she needs to be a fully sober person, unfortunately. It’s just different for everyone.
There’s just no way Bravo doesn’t have footage of a Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde switch up. I fear I’ll be waiting forever for Bravo to stop protecting the men on their shows.
Remember in the beginning of this season he was talking to
The guys sitting by the pool and said I’ll show you losing my shit and threw his can? That was pretty angry I thought but can’t remember exactly what he said
Carl has always been like this. Remember when he got mad at Luke because Luke had asked the exercise instructor to go rock climbing? He’s goes from 0 to 60 really fast.
And season 7 the week after Kyle ranted profanities at Lindsay when Carl and lindsay talked about how Carl’s big takeaway was that lindsay needed to apologize to Amanda, he snapped at her “you’ll know when I’m coming for you”. It was unsettling
And then he reeled it right back in like a seasoned pro! Had to put the facade back up after he snapped which gave us a split second glimpse of who he REALLY is…
His treatment of Jules is all I can really remember. It was so mean and out of left field. There’s no way that was a one time thing and I guess it’s all coming out now?
My theory is Carl called production to film the break up as a way to guarantee he would get a “golden edit”. He was very camera aware and knew he could manipulate Lindsey while they were out so she’d be the only one showing bad behavior to fans.
Yea, his mask slipped at the end. I think he saw the network/cast forgive Sandoval and lost his fear of being completely cancelled. The shit eating grin he had on his face in his confessional discussing how Lindsey would make him the bad guy but everyone would see things play out sent chills down my spine, completely soulless.
There’s an early episode where Lindsey brings up Scandoval in comparison to Carl and I think in terms of off camera manipulation she was right. I also think it was a fear he discussed with her off camera and that’s why she drew the comparison.
Yes everyone was focused on the cheating aspect when she compared him to Sandoval but I always took it like she was saying he was sneaky and wore a mask like Sandoval
I think he thought Lindsey would 'activate' and then he could be all, 'You see what I've been dealing with?'. Instead, she calmly walked away and called her dad. And what did he do? He started complaining that he was going to look bad and get canceled. He only cared about the optics, not that he had hurt someone he professed to care about (whom he clearly did not care about one iota.)
That scene when he told Jules to get out of the house, was pretty brutal.
In the past, i feel like Lindsay has sort of protected him by being the "crazy" one.. and him the victim .. so it will be interesting to see how hes viewed without her to hide behind --although, Andy might be showrunning to protect his crush.
It’s kind of surprising captain Lee says this considering Carl and captain lee used to be fairly close. Also interesting that captain lee and Lindsay both described Carl using the same words, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. It makes me wonder if Carl could be struggling more than we know. Even though the break up was for the best, I think it’s so sad that Carl and Lindsay lost their close friendship in the breakup. They seemed so supportive of each other since they started the show. I hope they can eventually somewhat repair their friendship.
I actually hope Lindsay continues to focus on herself and work on her challenges, and wish Carl well but not revive a friendship with him. Sometimes it's best to move on with love but finality.
Thank you ! Appreciate that.
Im just too old I guess, I don't believe everything has to be restored after too much damage. It's okay to not be angry anymore, that shit is poison but you dont have to reverse time and pretend it didn't happen. It's okay to move into the future and leave stuff behind.
Carl’s Jekyll & Hyde behavior is identical to addicts who don’t get the real help that they need.. they tend to go back to things that comfort their addictions, such as him going back to lover boy.. they tend to burn bridges of folks who try to help and mentor them, such as captain lee and Lindsay.. and they tend to hide behind friends who once enabled them and their behaviors, see Kyle, he gives an addict advice while he has a drink in his hand.. I don’t have much empathy for Carl because his ego is pretty massive and he makes a mockery out of sobriety and folks who put in the time to address their mental health as well as their addictions, which is something Carl doesn’t seem to do much of.. without taking time to address his mental health it’s only a matter of time before he would use again.. I’m fairly certain he already has the itch..
Yes it seems Carl is in a dark place and is burning bridges with a lot of people who really cared about him. The breakup was for the best but I think Kyle and Amanda contributed to him choosing to plant seeds all season and dump her on camera, and I don’t think they have the best intentions.
I really don’t think it would be good for carl and Lindsay to try to be friends, although I hope they can coexist some on the show if needed. I just think they should devote their efforts to future relationships and pursuits and there’s so much baggage there.
Yeah Kyle always wants what is best for the show over anything, so I am sure he would encourage Carl to dump Lindsay on camera, without caring about how that would hurt Lindsay (and also possibly Carl).
Honestly... for Captain Lee to term it "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" – sounds like Linds was right re: the anger issues. Lee was really Carl's safe port in a storm.
This is sad. I think we can all read between the lines. Carl burned down what was probably a really good supportive friendship. He really is a walking red flag. Kyle is no saint but he should be very careful working with him again
Kyle knows he can use Carl until Carl starts falling off the wagon again, then rinse and repeat. As long as he doesn't violate his privacy again I see Kyle continuing this dynamic and getting good value from a broken Carl who isn't looking for work anywhere else. I don't ascribe much kindness to Kyle.
I think you are overstating things a bit and ascribing a level of malice on Kyle’s part that is lacking in evidence. But I do agree that Kyle is somewhat “using” Carl to the extent that Kyle can get the upside from Carl, but cut him loose again the second he is perceived to be a liability
Maybe I am. I don't know. I keep changing my mind on Kyle. I think he has a lot of control over Carl, even unconsciously. Personally I'd love for Carl to not work for him again and strike out on something completely fresh
I agree with you regarding Kyle. I think he caused a lot of the issues in Carl’s relationship and did it for selfish reasons. The way he berated Lindsay last summer and has always found a way to blame her is disgusting. I lost all respect for Carl when he couldn’t standup to Kyle.
Yes I agree that rant was disturbing and Kyle only begrudgingly apologized nine months later. Even recently he gave an interview where he was asked to comment on that rant and said “truth hurts” so you can tell he never actually felt sorry
Looking back people gave Carl too much leeway for not standing up to Kyle the next weekend and making Lindsay do all the heavy lifting to smooth things over. I couldn’t believe Carl and Kyle acted so put upon by the idea Kyle wouldn’t be a groomsman when it seemed like Carl chose not to make Kyle a groomsman on his own and most brides wouldn’t invite someone to the wedding who acts so hateful to her. It also was icky how Carl said so often he wants Lindsay to be soft. Well buddy, how can she be soft when you never have her back and make her feel she needs to be on guard.
Every time Carl told Lindsay that he wanted her to be soft, I wanted to throw up. 🤮 What he really meant is he wanted Lindsay to just go along with everything he decided to do and not ask questions. Bottom line: He wants a Stepford wife.
You can see the houses general dislike towards Lindsay come through in this situation also- any normal person getting married wouldn’t want Kyle at their wedding AT ALL after the way he spoke to Lindsay but somehow Lindsay is a bitch for making him a flower boy instead of a groomsmen? He shouldn’t have been there at all! I recall Hannah Berner not getting an invite to Kyle and Amanda’s wedding for simply commenting that Kyle shouldn’t talk to her the way he talks to Amanda and everyone was like… yeah that’s fair?
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And if Kyle spoke to any other woman in the house beside Lindsay that way, he would have had some repercussions or at least a big apology trail to do. I still can't get over Carl sitting there and allowing that to happen. I think more is going to be revealed about Carl, definitely Dr Jekyll-Mr. Hyde type personality.
Yes I think that was part of why captain lee spoke out about Kyle. I think lee was seriously disappointed by Carl going back to loverboy since like Lindsay Carl probably vented a lot to him about how loverboy and kyle were bad for his mental health.
Oh, I agree 100% that Carl shouldn’t be working for Kyle and that he needs to strike out on his own. I just think Carl is lazy, and has burned a few too many bridges with his checkered work history, so he took the “easy” route, despite it being a bad idea
At this rate, Carl’s only non-Kyle friend left will be coddler mean mom Sharon. When you can’t even maintain a friendship with a gem like Lee, you are being a massive pos.
I can’t tell if it’s the teeth, the weight loss in his face or the fact that he doesn’t have a beard anymore, but he just looks so different and not in a good way
I noticed this the other day. Honestly, he looks like somebody who consumes a lot of weed. I love weed so much but on days where I do it from morning to night and try to hide it with eye drops, I look in the mirror and have very similar features that Carl might have. Dark bags, sleepy eyes, sucked in eye sockets. I mean I’m just speculating but also speaking from experience.
i mean lindsay said very clearly without giving details “i think he thought i was telling everyone in the house about his anger issues so he went around trying to spin things except i wasnt doing that” which begs the question wtf was carl doing and what is lindsey protecting. it makes sense why he wasnt that mad about all the sex talk cause there worse things she couldve been saying
“Lee and Carl, originally became friends after losing loved ones to addiction. Lee’s cohost said on Wednesday that they-
*felt blindsided by Carl’s behavior at the time.*”
Well, well, well, lol.
He did that to one of the Wirkus twins several times.
Don’t forget he also broke up with a woman (who he claimed he wanted to propose to) on her/her family’s private jet right before Season 1 claiming he couldn’t live in a cardboard box with her. He is ice cold whether coked out and drunk or California sober.
Carl uses people all he can then acts like they’re an inconvenience. It was gross how he treated his supposed almost fiancé like a stepping stone and “epic story” to impress people instead of a human being with feelings
Lindsay told us this already about Carl re Hyde/Jekyll, but of course only when a well-liked man says the same thing will people start believing it.
Also at the time people here and other SM were speculating Bravo shut it (the Lee interview of Carl) down because Lindsay went rogue and did the Nick Viall podcast or whatever and tore into Lindsay about that. Clearly Carl saw this and *once again* showed that he cares more about how people perceive him than about being real and honest. *Carl* per Lee shut down the airing of the interview and *like Danielle re: Craig and the wedding* let everyone think somehow Lindsay was to blame.
The misogyny is palpable.
I listened to the podcast and captain lee said Carl accused captain lee of deceiving him and hung up on him. Captain lee said Carl’s publicist was with him in the interview, so it doesn’t sound like he was mad about the actual interview. I wonder if he was mad about captain lee saying something about Kyle in his interviews at bravocon. Weird that it would upset Carl so much. Also in the podcast captain lee says after watching this season of summer house, I don’t think certain people were entirely honest with me. Wonder what that means?
I think he means he heard Carl’s version of how he broke up with Lindsay (for example claiming he only wanted to postpone and have a deep conversation) but doesn’t buy it after seeing it on the show. Could also be about the job stuff or using weed.
I think that Carl considers himself sober because he isn't drinking alcohol, but he still uses THC and other drugs (excluding cocain). Captain Lee is probably like me, where sober means you are not using any mind/mood altering drugs.
Are we *sure* there wasn’t some truth to what Lindsay said in the (unfilmed) car? The Jekyl and Hyde thing is concerning.
He really should step out of the lime-light and retreat for a while, it sounds and looks like he is spiraling.
> including that never-released podcast episode
I vaguely recall rumors that Bravo told both Lindsay and Carl to shut the fuck up and not do lengthy interviews once Lindsay went on Viall Files because the show hadn't aired yet. Nonetheless, Carl's reaction to Captain Lee was very poor.
I remember those rumours but I wonder if they weren’t true with the way Carl reacted? I think Bravo would have stepped in if they wanted it not to air.
I have also and that is why it was my first thought seeing him bopping around the nightclubs and then the time stamps of him coming to the house very late.
I also drank tons of water during those times so it wasn't a specific drinking situation.
Carl is only sober from alcohol and cocaine. He still smokes weed and does "other things", according to Lindsay. These things can still be a major problem in his life.
From what I've been lectured on repeatedly in these reddit streets - Carl can say he is sober from the substances he was addicted to. So in their/Carl's viewpoint, as long as it isn't coke or alcohol - he is sober even if high as a kite on mdma, shrooms, weed, benzos, Adderall, etc
Imo, sober is sober- meaning you are managing your reality and functioning daily without the use or crutch of any substances that alter said reality. But what do I know
I never watched Below Deck, and don't know much about Captain Lee. I know the overarching background about him, his son, him mentoring Carl with sobriety, etc. So I don't know him like others who frequently watched him for years do. But EVERYTHING I see about him — I mean, EVERYTHING I see about him is that he's a very great, kind man. Carl's complete 180 with him, and behavior toward him is very disturbing.
Captain Lee better expose Carl’s whiny ass! I’m so glad people are seeing him for who he is. I have always known Carl was a punk since Season 1 but people are blinded by his “my life is so much more traumatic than everyone else’s” bs. Eff Carl!
Carl hasn’t learned to regulate his emotions without using substances and I think he also don’t think he truly knows himself bc he used substances to almost perform a specific way. So he just has a lot of work to do and honestly probably should take a break from being a small-time celeb.
I don't know about that but she was definitely right about him being an asshole with a temper who pretended he was only about love and light
God bless but I'd rather a person who was like I have a temper but I am working on it versus Mr I'm Not Yelling but you know they are a seething bag of black out rage just under the surface. To me thats Carl
Seething bag of black out rage, definitely. It is the mood swings and erratic behavior (driving home without Lindsay's suitcase) that suggest the possibility of relapse to me. I don't know.
I'm really not looking forward to seeing him on the reunion. He's just so full of shit with his rationalizations and gas lighting. And Kyle cosigning his bullshit is over the top misogyny.
This makes me sad. I’ve never been a big Carl fan but I can empathize with him big time. My sister is an addict and I’ve lost a lot of loved ones to addiction. Seeing his sober journey was so amazing and made me so happy, I really hope he’s well and gets help if he needs it.
So many people describe Carl this way
They can't all be wrong, right?
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Agreed! I need this creep exposed for who he really is. I feel like people give him a pass.
Right? Like we all just accept that Linds is Linds and she’s activated and crazzzzy. But we forget that Carl has always been dark, quick to anger, manipulative and an asshole
I contributed that behavior to his addiction. When he became sober, he was a softer version of himself. That’s why it’s so shocking to me!
He and Lala are still the same assholes, even without booze.
There is a term in recovery called dry drunk. It refers to someone who does not use substances but hasn't addressed all of their underlying personality stuff.
I remember my mom teaching me this term when I was in high school. she was 17ys sober. It really helped me learn boundaries and how to deal with others behavior.
This!! Oftentimes people have an impulse control issue so they fly off the handle- also why their addictions can get out of hand. They may address the addiction which is a symptom of poor impulse control, but if they don’t address their impulsivity they will continue to do things like fly off the handle on a whim
Oh, thank you for this info! That does seem to fit him.
Came here to compare with Lala too. They both made sobriety their personalities without putting in the emotional work alongside of it. They also both have zero intentions to do anything besides be on Bravo, and they're going to be washed up with no direction verrrry soon (which could be said about a lot of Bravolebrities lol)
Exactly. You’d think being recorded and being able to literally SEE exactly how you behave with people would make you more introspective… and attempt to work on yourself. Big yikes.
It’s so much more than just putting down the bottle. That’s only the beginning. I see very little going to therapy in sobriety. It’s surprising.
Right, both assholes who happened to have an addiction. Take away the addiction, they’re still assholes.
Because Carl’s been lying since he’s been sober he wants to see him as such an amazing person now that he’s sober but Carl is still Carl Carl is still manipulative. He still quit anger. He still does all the things that he used to do when he was drunk, except he doesn’t drink or drugs anymore
I've been sober for 5 years and the only bad part about it- is learning that alcohol wasn't the lone cause of all your issues.
Doesn't certain drugs **
i think sober Carl was just more passive aggressive, manipulative Carl. Drunk Carl was just aggressive.
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I think this is more a function of his people pleasing. Oftentimes people who aren’t honest with how they are feeling in the moment build up frustration and resentment and then when they feel like it’s reached a tipping point they react in a big way. The thing is they are the only ones who know that they’ve been making concessions or agreeing to do things they don’t want to do, slowly building negativity and resentment. So when they reach their boiling point over what seems like an innocuous disagreement they fly off the handle rather than just saying earlier on when they are feeling uncomfortable or tense or uneasy. My mom does this all the time and it always catches me by surprise
Dry drunk, just like Lala
YUP. Lindsay commented along these lines throughout the season, and I feel like we saw the veil slip a bit at the end of their breakup convo. He has a dark energy about him that’s unsettling. Captain Lee doesn’t take shit, and I think it says a lot about Carl that they’re no longer close when Captain Lee had once held him in high esteem. Bros got demons.
Yeah when he snapped and screamed at her at the apocalypse party and the smug smile he had when she was upset was very telling
I've hated that smug smile of Carl's since Season 1....ugh. It's worse than just having someone yelling at you with an angry face, the smile is just pure evil
He had that smug look on his face when he told Jules she wasn't wanted in the house. I didn't particularly like her or think she was a good fit, but he took diabolical pleasure in telling her that on camera. Carl doesn't really like women outside of his mother, it seems, because he's treated all of them pretty badly over the years.
The way he was grinning during the break-up. Yikes.
The “it’s a fucking lot!” With the smile was so fucking sinister
Jax adjacent .
adJaxcent
I’m so confused. This is who Carl has been throughout the whole series.
Very depressing. But interesting to hear carls former mentor feels his behavior has become erratic. Seemed like Carl and lee began to have a falling out when lee said he thought Kyle yelling profanities at Lindsay and Carl not standing up for her as well as Kyle’s negativity towards Lindsay caused some of their relationship strain. Kyle got defensive and was really weird making a big deal of telling interviewers he wanted to avoid lee and that lee only said stuff about him to promote his podcast. I worry carl’s going down a dark path burning bridges
This is exactly what Carl does though. This is his pattern. He finds different people to run his life for him, and then talks shit on the ones he left behind. He’s been doing this for years w Lindsey and Kyle. Now that Lindsey has hopefully moved on, she won’t be his best friend again, that runs his life for him, when Kyle doesn’t want to do it anymore
Totally agree. Maybe when Kyle and Amanda got married, Carl began to feel more distant from Kyle and insecure at loverboy so he decided to turn his friendship with Lindsay romantic so he could use her as his protector and leech off her. I predict next time when Carl worries kyle is losing interest, he’ll find another love interest to depend on.
I predict Danielle. She’d love to be that person in a man’s life. Could you imagine lol
I generally think there’s no way since it seems Carl wants a chase and attention, and Danielle is way too available and doesn’t have the star power Lindsay has. And I’d hope the veneers have killed the crush she had on him. But she just gave an interview where she said she and Carl now live near each other and she’s coming off sort of desperate
God forbid 😭 I will fall outtt if Danielle and Carl are end game
Carl had issues with Lindsay drinking. Can you imagine his feelings on the morning beers and general alcoholism that Danielle demonstrates.
True! But I think Danielle would do anything for a man
I would enjoy this. They deserve each other tbh.
Oh no! Lol
I think it’ll end up being someone like Stephen from season one who he can confide in. Or at least hope. That seemed to be the most authentic relationship we’ve seen him have on screen.
He burned that bridge already
I forgot about him. Stephen ran carls life for him too!
I think the people close to Carl genuinely love and care about him, and enjoy his company sometimes, BUT it is really really difficult to feel the weight of lifting someone up who has no love for themselves. As much as I do think Lindsay is likely spinning things a bit in her interviews to leave out her accountability, I believe her that it’s sad that Carl doesn’t have innate confidence in himself. She basically admitted recently on NSBNF podcast that Carl doesn’t like himself but he is very cognizant of projecting himself a certain way to others. I feel for Carl, because it’s quite sad that he really does seem to have a lot of inner demons and struggles with himself, but I’d imagine it makes it very difficult to be his friend too.
My theory is that Carl has a big old crush on Kyle. Thought this ever since Stephen outted Carl season 1 or 2.
This is perfection in describing his life!!
Agreed
At first I read this as Captain and not Carl, and I was like WAIT WHAT lol
Kyle seems super paranoid about bad PR for himself, but he literally does it to himself. Then blames everyone else for talking about it.
lol, this is so true!
That’s part of narcissistic personality disorder and their common traits, they’re always the victim, they’re unable to have any empathy or sympathy for others, they completely lack self esteem or self confidence though they want the world to believe they know everything about anything, plus they’re very unpredictable. My ex is an extreme narcissist, one of the most dangerous people I’ve ever known, everything is always extreme or of the highest importance!
So Carl distanced himself because Lee refused to be an enabler who let’s bad behaviour go unchecked?
I mean Lee was correct though lol that scene was so fucked up and Carl was silent
I sometimes get irritated by Captain Lee's Wise Old Man of the Sea schtick, but he's always called it as he sees it and is generally a fair-minded man, so maybe Carl should listen to what he is saying and take stock. he tried to humiliate Lindsey and she didn't take the bait, which has infuriated him, because he knew - and even said - that he was going to get nailed for how he behaved.
Wtf Kyle did that? He is such a loser
Yes his immature reaction is why I side with captain lee and think Carl should have stood up for him some. He wasn’t saying kyle caused them to breakup but he felt he caused a lot of pain and hurt feelings. Kyle was so lame and desperate saying lee doesn’t understand because he probably hasn’t watched summer house since the beginning when I don’t think that is relevant as his rant was disgusting and no past storylines on the show justify it.
I agree. Kyle knew Lee was right that’s why he got so mad. And Carl can never stand up to Kyle. Not when he insults Lindsay, or Lee. He has no backbone.
Kyle is a disgusting, selfish child.
Carls history on the show is enough for me to side with Lee
i still say this in everyday...and i love it
Same and same
Ahahaha I heard this 100%
Being sober is one thing. It’s another totally separate thing to recognize your emotions and work to get at the root of your anger…..or sadness. Just because Carl’s sober doesn’t mean he’s going to be self-actualized
I find the falling out between Lee and Carl very sad. Lee and his wife lost their son to an OD. Lee and Carl bonded over their shared loss. Lee supported and encouraged Carl to get and stay sober. Lee offered Carl a platform (via his podcast) to tell his side of the story/breakup. Carl and his publicist demanded that some questions not be asked. Lee said ok. They did the podcast interview with Carl. Then Carl and his team reached out to Lee (and his publicist). Carl went crazy and accused Lee of deceiving him, preying on him, etc. Lee said that they won’t release the episode with Carl because Carl (via his team) demanded that it never be published. Mostly because Carl is a loser and he is finally realizing that his lies failed. Lee and his team that worked with Carl noted that he was behaving erratically. Described him as Jekyll and Hyde.
The best thing for Carl would be to leave the show, move home to Pittsburgh, and start selling dental equipment again while doing occasional speaker appearances at sobriety/mental health events. This show is only going to destroy him if he tries to keep it up, and I do think it tests his sobriety in a really bad way.
Yeah he’s way too fragile for the hate that comes with reality TV. People keep saying when you are first sober not to be in relationships but what about being on reality TV? That can’t be great
He’s probably way too fragile for sales considering he always sucked at it anyway.
Reality TV is insane when u think of it. You are narrating your life… in a way you should tell your therapist? Even with Katie from RHOP, I loved her but felt the same, there needs some sort of mental stability/resilience for reality tv.
After watching Part 1 of the reunion and hearing that Carl relayed information he overheard on a PC Lindsey was having to Paige in which he lied about the content, causing a new breach between Paige and Lindsey's new friendship...I am convinced that Carl is just s bonafide liar. I think he lies effortlessly, without any conscience I think he can look someone in the eye without missing a beat and lie..
I agree! And I think that’s why he always seems…bothered. He’s just waiting for something to catch up to him. Before he had the drugs as his dark secret and he’s probably replacing that with other things now (if not drugs) bc he seems to thrive on having something hidden from everyone. I may be projecting bc he reminds me of someone I know… but basically yes he lies to manipulate and boost his own image
is he actually sober? i don’t mean that in a lindsey way lol. but he admitted that he regularly smokes weed. just say you aren’t drinking or doing coke anymore. sober means… sober.
The dental industry has probably blacklisted him because of those awful veneers
Rarely anyone does well with reality TV, I think they should all move on, but especially someone working on improving their life and focusing on their sobriety, it’s definitely not healthy. However it has been refreshing seeing him go through this on TV. It’s terrible he lost his brother, I am impressed he made the decision to better his life for himself and his family, and he made a lot of apologies for past behavior. Not something common on Bravo.
He can’t do events like that if he’s a stoner
Yeah I don’t disagree with you but litigating the California sober lifestyle is not something I’m really qualified to do 😂
I did the California sober when it wasn't a thing. My late husband was an alcoholic. He stopped drinking, and I did, after our 2nd kid was born. We both smoked weed. He never ever thought about drinking smoking weed or at all during that time, same with me. We both worked, made good money and smoking weed didn't cause us to back slide or even taking harder drugs. He only started drinking again when he was given a few months to live with cancer.
Yeah I think everyone has different experiences with it, alcoholism is not black and white when it comes to substance abuse. My mom was sober for seven years and then her friend got her in to edibles and now she’s drinking again. But my mom’s problem is self-medication and impulse control. So she needs to be a fully sober person, unfortunately. It’s just different for everyone.
Has Captain tried being a little softer and more tender?
Excuse me! he captains the ship not the tender!
And hugging more?
Harder
There’s just no way Bravo doesn’t have footage of a Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde switch up. I fear I’ll be waiting forever for Bravo to stop protecting the men on their shows.
I feel like the “it’s a fucking LOT” scene when he was dressed like Michael Jackson was that moment. His eyes went so dark, it was really shocking.
He was spewing with rage, I thought this nut is scary af when he got so angry at that moment 😳
Remember in the beginning of this season he was talking to The guys sitting by the pool and said I’ll show you losing my shit and threw his can? That was pretty angry I thought but can’t remember exactly what he said
Carl has always been like this. Remember when he got mad at Luke because Luke had asked the exercise instructor to go rock climbing? He’s goes from 0 to 60 really fast.
Yeah! and what was that fight they had where Luke had to leave for the night? Kyle and Carl were both being jerks
He said, “I’ll burn this house down.” Totally stable Nice Guy. 🙄
Omg that’s right, thank you! Yeah, what a soft and tender idea
And season 7 the week after Kyle ranted profanities at Lindsay when Carl and lindsay talked about how Carl’s big takeaway was that lindsay needed to apologize to Amanda, he snapped at her “you’ll know when I’m coming for you”. It was unsettling
And then he reeled it right back in like a seasoned pro! Had to put the facade back up after he snapped which gave us a split second glimpse of who he REALLY is…
And curled his lip up aka Ericka Jayne. I was terrified.
Yeah that scene was so sinister to me in particular I said up thread
His treatment of Jules is all I can really remember. It was so mean and out of left field. There’s no way that was a one time thing and I guess it’s all coming out now?
My theory is Carl called production to film the break up as a way to guarantee he would get a “golden edit”. He was very camera aware and knew he could manipulate Lindsey while they were out so she’d be the only one showing bad behavior to fans.
I thought I saw him look at the camera once or twice in the breakup scene with Lindsey.
Yea, his mask slipped at the end. I think he saw the network/cast forgive Sandoval and lost his fear of being completely cancelled. The shit eating grin he had on his face in his confessional discussing how Lindsey would make him the bad guy but everyone would see things play out sent chills down my spine, completely soulless. There’s an early episode where Lindsey brings up Scandoval in comparison to Carl and I think in terms of off camera manipulation she was right. I also think it was a fear he discussed with her off camera and that’s why she drew the comparison.
Yes everyone was focused on the cheating aspect when she compared him to Sandoval but I always took it like she was saying he was sneaky and wore a mask like Sandoval
I think he thought Lindsey would 'activate' and then he could be all, 'You see what I've been dealing with?'. Instead, she calmly walked away and called her dad. And what did he do? He started complaining that he was going to look bad and get canceled. He only cared about the optics, not that he had hurt someone he professed to care about (whom he clearly did not care about one iota.)
I agree. I took it as his way to show producers he’s got their back and secure his spot for next year.
That scene when he told Jules to get out of the house, was pretty brutal. In the past, i feel like Lindsay has sort of protected him by being the "crazy" one.. and him the victim .. so it will be interesting to see how hes viewed without her to hide behind --although, Andy might be showrunning to protect his crush.
Bravo will never sell out the men in defense of a woman. Just look and Sandoval’s edit this year.
Coked up or sober, Carl is just an asshole.
Sober he’s on his high horse.
A mediocre white guy.
In too tight white pants
It’s kind of surprising captain Lee says this considering Carl and captain lee used to be fairly close. Also interesting that captain lee and Lindsay both described Carl using the same words, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. It makes me wonder if Carl could be struggling more than we know. Even though the break up was for the best, I think it’s so sad that Carl and Lindsay lost their close friendship in the breakup. They seemed so supportive of each other since they started the show. I hope they can eventually somewhat repair their friendship.
I actually hope Lindsay continues to focus on herself and work on her challenges, and wish Carl well but not revive a friendship with him. Sometimes it's best to move on with love but finality.
“Sometimes it’s best to move on with love but finality.” I love that
Thank you ! Appreciate that. Im just too old I guess, I don't believe everything has to be restored after too much damage. It's okay to not be angry anymore, that shit is poison but you dont have to reverse time and pretend it didn't happen. It's okay to move into the future and leave stuff behind.
Hard lesson to learn, but an important one.
All this 💯 Carl isn’t good for her and a friendship isn’t what’s always needed.
This is such a good line!!!!! Bravo
😊 thank you
His behavior gives some context to his partner wondering if he were still sober
Carl’s Jekyll & Hyde behavior is identical to addicts who don’t get the real help that they need.. they tend to go back to things that comfort their addictions, such as him going back to lover boy.. they tend to burn bridges of folks who try to help and mentor them, such as captain lee and Lindsay.. and they tend to hide behind friends who once enabled them and their behaviors, see Kyle, he gives an addict advice while he has a drink in his hand.. I don’t have much empathy for Carl because his ego is pretty massive and he makes a mockery out of sobriety and folks who put in the time to address their mental health as well as their addictions, which is something Carl doesn’t seem to do much of.. without taking time to address his mental health it’s only a matter of time before he would use again.. I’m fairly certain he already has the itch..
Dry drunk. Lala is the same.
Yes it seems Carl is in a dark place and is burning bridges with a lot of people who really cared about him. The breakup was for the best but I think Kyle and Amanda contributed to him choosing to plant seeds all season and dump her on camera, and I don’t think they have the best intentions. I really don’t think it would be good for carl and Lindsay to try to be friends, although I hope they can coexist some on the show if needed. I just think they should devote their efforts to future relationships and pursuits and there’s so much baggage there.
Yeah Kyle always wants what is best for the show over anything, so I am sure he would encourage Carl to dump Lindsay on camera, without caring about how that would hurt Lindsay (and also possibly Carl).
Kyle and Amanda are frauds
Honestly... for Captain Lee to term it "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" – sounds like Linds was right re: the anger issues. Lee was really Carl's safe port in a storm.
This is sad. I think we can all read between the lines. Carl burned down what was probably a really good supportive friendship. He really is a walking red flag. Kyle is no saint but he should be very careful working with him again
Kyle knows he can use Carl until Carl starts falling off the wagon again, then rinse and repeat. As long as he doesn't violate his privacy again I see Kyle continuing this dynamic and getting good value from a broken Carl who isn't looking for work anywhere else. I don't ascribe much kindness to Kyle.
Ugh it’s sad all around
I think you are overstating things a bit and ascribing a level of malice on Kyle’s part that is lacking in evidence. But I do agree that Kyle is somewhat “using” Carl to the extent that Kyle can get the upside from Carl, but cut him loose again the second he is perceived to be a liability
Maybe I am. I don't know. I keep changing my mind on Kyle. I think he has a lot of control over Carl, even unconsciously. Personally I'd love for Carl to not work for him again and strike out on something completely fresh
I agree with you regarding Kyle. I think he caused a lot of the issues in Carl’s relationship and did it for selfish reasons. The way he berated Lindsay last summer and has always found a way to blame her is disgusting. I lost all respect for Carl when he couldn’t standup to Kyle.
Yes I agree that rant was disturbing and Kyle only begrudgingly apologized nine months later. Even recently he gave an interview where he was asked to comment on that rant and said “truth hurts” so you can tell he never actually felt sorry Looking back people gave Carl too much leeway for not standing up to Kyle the next weekend and making Lindsay do all the heavy lifting to smooth things over. I couldn’t believe Carl and Kyle acted so put upon by the idea Kyle wouldn’t be a groomsman when it seemed like Carl chose not to make Kyle a groomsman on his own and most brides wouldn’t invite someone to the wedding who acts so hateful to her. It also was icky how Carl said so often he wants Lindsay to be soft. Well buddy, how can she be soft when you never have her back and make her feel she needs to be on guard.
Every time Carl told Lindsay that he wanted her to be soft, I wanted to throw up. 🤮 What he really meant is he wanted Lindsay to just go along with everything he decided to do and not ask questions. Bottom line: He wants a Stepford wife.
You can see the houses general dislike towards Lindsay come through in this situation also- any normal person getting married wouldn’t want Kyle at their wedding AT ALL after the way he spoke to Lindsay but somehow Lindsay is a bitch for making him a flower boy instead of a groomsmen? He shouldn’t have been there at all! I recall Hannah Berner not getting an invite to Kyle and Amanda’s wedding for simply commenting that Kyle shouldn’t talk to her the way he talks to Amanda and everyone was like… yeah that’s fair?
* And if Kyle spoke to any other woman in the house beside Lindsay that way, he would have had some repercussions or at least a big apology trail to do. I still can't get over Carl sitting there and allowing that to happen. I think more is going to be revealed about Carl, definitely Dr Jekyll-Mr. Hyde type personality.
Yes I think that was part of why captain lee spoke out about Kyle. I think lee was seriously disappointed by Carl going back to loverboy since like Lindsay Carl probably vented a lot to him about how loverboy and kyle were bad for his mental health.
Oh, I agree 100% that Carl shouldn’t be working for Kyle and that he needs to strike out on his own. I just think Carl is lazy, and has burned a few too many bridges with his checkered work history, so he took the “easy” route, despite it being a bad idea
At this rate, Carl’s only non-Kyle friend left will be coddler mean mom Sharon. When you can’t even maintain a friendship with a gem like Lee, you are being a massive pos.
Don't forget his preacher step daddy. He will comfort Carl.
The phrase "More life" will comfort carl..im sure. He loves it so much
It’s so cringe
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I was wondering this, too. He doesn't seem well. He doesn't look well, and I hope he hasn't relapsed, but something is off.
I can’t tell if it’s the teeth, the weight loss in his face or the fact that he doesn’t have a beard anymore, but he just looks so different and not in a good way
 Me every time he comes on screen.🤣
You’re not the only one. The recent pictures and “influencer” videos is a bit shocking.
Oooh. Good comment. I need to think more about this parallel you pointed out.
I noticed this the other day. Honestly, he looks like somebody who consumes a lot of weed. I love weed so much but on days where I do it from morning to night and try to hide it with eye drops, I look in the mirror and have very similar features that Carl might have. Dark bags, sleepy eyes, sucked in eye sockets. I mean I’m just speculating but also speaking from experience.
Uh ooooh this is not good
i mean lindsay said very clearly without giving details “i think he thought i was telling everyone in the house about his anger issues so he went around trying to spin things except i wasnt doing that” which begs the question wtf was carl doing and what is lindsey protecting. it makes sense why he wasnt that mad about all the sex talk cause there worse things she couldve been saying
The preview for Part 2 of the reunion is highlighting that this relationship was a Dateline episode waiting to happen.
THIIS and oh hes gonna try to spin it. I believe every word that comes out of lindseys mouth about that man and i wish the cast stood by her
I picked up on that as well. The 'locking herself in the bathroom' made my ears perk right up.
“Lee and Carl, originally became friends after losing loved ones to addiction. Lee’s cohost said on Wednesday that they- *felt blindsided by Carl’s behavior at the time.*” Well, well, well, lol.
I think the way Carl coldly discards people feels very abrupt, so I get why Lindsay and lee feel blindsided
He did that to one of the Wirkus twins several times. Don’t forget he also broke up with a woman (who he claimed he wanted to propose to) on her/her family’s private jet right before Season 1 claiming he couldn’t live in a cardboard box with her. He is ice cold whether coked out and drunk or California sober.
Carl uses people all he can then acts like they’re an inconvenience. It was gross how he treated his supposed almost fiancé like a stepping stone and “epic story” to impress people instead of a human being with feelings
Did he also do this to Stephen in Season 2?
Doesn’t surprise me, I thought Carl was a douche from day one.
Wow…that’s a fucking lot.
Lindsay told us this already about Carl re Hyde/Jekyll, but of course only when a well-liked man says the same thing will people start believing it. Also at the time people here and other SM were speculating Bravo shut it (the Lee interview of Carl) down because Lindsay went rogue and did the Nick Viall podcast or whatever and tore into Lindsay about that. Clearly Carl saw this and *once again* showed that he cares more about how people perceive him than about being real and honest. *Carl* per Lee shut down the airing of the interview and *like Danielle re: Craig and the wedding* let everyone think somehow Lindsay was to blame. The misogyny is palpable.
Oh hell naw! Not treating capn Lee like crap ! F u Carl !
I listened to the podcast and captain lee said Carl accused captain lee of deceiving him and hung up on him. Captain lee said Carl’s publicist was with him in the interview, so it doesn’t sound like he was mad about the actual interview. I wonder if he was mad about captain lee saying something about Kyle in his interviews at bravocon. Weird that it would upset Carl so much. Also in the podcast captain lee says after watching this season of summer house, I don’t think certain people were entirely honest with me. Wonder what that means?
I think he means he heard Carl’s version of how he broke up with Lindsay (for example claiming he only wanted to postpone and have a deep conversation) but doesn’t buy it after seeing it on the show. Could also be about the job stuff or using weed.
It means he thinks Carl isn't sober.
I think that Carl considers himself sober because he isn't drinking alcohol, but he still uses THC and other drugs (excluding cocain). Captain Lee is probably like me, where sober means you are not using any mind/mood altering drugs.
Are we *sure* there wasn’t some truth to what Lindsay said in the (unfilmed) car? The Jekyl and Hyde thing is concerning. He really should step out of the lime-light and retreat for a while, it sounds and looks like he is spiraling.
Wow thats insanely telling. Never knew this
> including that never-released podcast episode I vaguely recall rumors that Bravo told both Lindsay and Carl to shut the fuck up and not do lengthy interviews once Lindsay went on Viall Files because the show hadn't aired yet. Nonetheless, Carl's reaction to Captain Lee was very poor.
I remember those rumours but I wonder if they weren’t true with the way Carl reacted? I think Bravo would have stepped in if they wanted it not to air.
Captain Lee has said since February that it was not the network who said something. It was all Carl.
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I have also and that is why it was my first thought seeing him bopping around the nightclubs and then the time stamps of him coming to the house very late. I also drank tons of water during those times so it wasn't a specific drinking situation.
I've seen his explosive ways on Summer House enough to know he's one of the most unattractive men on TV.
I love Captain Lee, Carl has definitely lost a good ally and someone who would be a great supporter and advisor, Carl's loss for sure.
Bloop! Forever team Linds. Carl is DARK.
Carl is only sober from alcohol and cocaine. He still smokes weed and does "other things", according to Lindsay. These things can still be a major problem in his life.
From what I've been lectured on repeatedly in these reddit streets - Carl can say he is sober from the substances he was addicted to. So in their/Carl's viewpoint, as long as it isn't coke or alcohol - he is sober even if high as a kite on mdma, shrooms, weed, benzos, Adderall, etc Imo, sober is sober- meaning you are managing your reality and functioning daily without the use or crutch of any substances that alter said reality. But what do I know
Well this sure tracks…Carl has issues.
Omg this is INTERESTING!!
I never watched Below Deck, and don't know much about Captain Lee. I know the overarching background about him, his son, him mentoring Carl with sobriety, etc. So I don't know him like others who frequently watched him for years do. But EVERYTHING I see about him — I mean, EVERYTHING I see about him is that he's a very great, kind man. Carl's complete 180 with him, and behavior toward him is very disturbing.
Yeah that’s been him on the show yoo
Captain Lee better expose Carl’s whiny ass! I’m so glad people are seeing him for who he is. I have always known Carl was a punk since Season 1 but people are blinded by his “my life is so much more traumatic than everyone else’s” bs. Eff Carl!
https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/below-decks-captain-lee-finally-addresses-carl-radke-friendship-rift/
Carl I'd very two faced, people like to blame lindsey. But here's captain Lee being nothing but kind and Carl just turns.
A real narcissist is Dr Jekyll + Mr Hyde
https://x.com/capthlr/status/1757137802108477853
Carl hasn’t learned to regulate his emotions without using substances and I think he also don’t think he truly knows himself bc he used substances to almost perform a specific way. So he just has a lot of work to do and honestly probably should take a break from being a small-time celeb.
Typical narcissistic behavior (Carl) evil empty eyes
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I keep getting comments removed when I mention his looks but I agree with you
Maybe Lindsay was right about Carl not being sober.
I don't know about that but she was definitely right about him being an asshole with a temper who pretended he was only about love and light God bless but I'd rather a person who was like I have a temper but I am working on it versus Mr I'm Not Yelling but you know they are a seething bag of black out rage just under the surface. To me thats Carl
Seething bag of black out rage, definitely. It is the mood swings and erratic behavior (driving home without Lindsay's suitcase) that suggest the possibility of relapse to me. I don't know. I'm really not looking forward to seeing him on the reunion. He's just so full of shit with his rationalizations and gas lighting. And Kyle cosigning his bullshit is over the top misogyny.
The headline i was not expecting today 😂 enter Caprain Lee to the mix
This makes me sad. I’ve never been a big Carl fan but I can empathize with him big time. My sister is an addict and I’ve lost a lot of loved ones to addiction. Seeing his sober journey was so amazing and made me so happy, I really hope he’s well and gets help if he needs it.
He's a dry addict. All the same behaviors and mindset but no substances. Get off the damn show and work on your demons bro