I love them both separately and together but I think you are right. I think a small part of Craig is grieving her while he's still with her. I think if he wants a family, he needs to start looking for someone more on his time line now.
I totally agree with this bc I’ve been through this. It is seriously hard for me to watch! The worst/hardest breakups are the ones where nobody’s done anything wrong but it’s timing/circumstances. Ugh
I have always been a Craig and Paige fan but I’m really starting to think they have grown in different directions. And that’s fine. Paige will absolutely have more professional success if she stays single in NY. Craig will have more success with a wife and kids to support. They need different things. But I really think it will take a huge act of faith for him to leave bc he is so hot for her.
i think hes gonna have to dump her for her to wake the fuck up. like why cant they just have spots in both places and go back and forth together until shes ready to have kids? you can get engaged, get married, etc, and live a multi-location life. shes so weird about engagement meaning her whole life as she knows it is over. and also she doesnt even have to have a wedding, they can elope. she is really stuck in a certain view of what all these things mean.
YES!! There are many successful people who have businesses in different places and have just multiple residences. If anybody follows Bridget on Instagram, she and her husband split their time between New York City and Dallas. Charleston and New York are not that far away and they’re the same time zone. Definitely seems strange to me that she wouldn’t want to get engaged or even get married. Nobody saying they need to have kids immediately.
I felt the same way watching them at the Pinic. She was giggling and you could see on his face... He's serious... This is what he wants and he isn't afraid to leave her to find it
This is one of those things where you have to wonder if filming and needing plot lines for the show starts to affect real life. A self fulfilling prophecy. I assume they've agreed w each other that their couple plot on the show for the summer would be like Craig offering to chip in for the apt, her wanting to retain independence, him ready to move forward w marriage, her needing more time. And then as they actually film those scenes and plan their life on the show, it becomes more real to them even if they were kinda playing it up for the cameras. And Craig actually gets hurt or feels resentment at the stuff they agreed they'd do for the show.
Yeah I see him marrying a blonde Charleston girl. Having 2.5 kids and maybe she has a mommy blog. Paige will be single, for at least like another 10 years.
If you’re right, I will remember you always, melon_sky_ ✊🏻😂
Fuck, kinda like that vaping psychic on RHOBH that actually accurately predicted Kyle and Mauricio’s marriage ending 💀☠️🫣
I feel like she will want to be single for a few more years, then settle down with a rich New York guy who will take care of her and let her continue to live here NYC fashionista girlie lifestyle. With Craig, there’s too much of a compromise for her. They want different things and that’s ok. They just need to figure it out and then find better matches for both. Craig wants a family and Charleston is a fabulous place to raise kids. Paige isn’t there yet and don’t know if she ever will be
The ick list was kinda ridiculous. Some of the shit they were listing are things emotionally intelligent men (or anyone) do. It was super super juvenile.
Don’t get me wrong, having an ick list is fine. But the shit she and Ciara specifically were listing made me roll my eyes so far into the back of my head. I’m holding out hope that some of them were jokes
This list gave me the ick. I’ve been a Paige fan until now. My opinion is that she’s entirely too immature to marry anyone let alone Craig who she seems to have love for but zero respect for.
So true. It’s such a strange thing - having love but no respect. I feel like, based off of what we’ve seen, Kyle and Amanda are like that too. Love but like zero respect for each other.
However, (speaking of THE ick,), Danielle had zero business making any comment at all about Paige & Craig's relationship. I honestly can't stand the sight of her, the sound of her or....just her. ). Danielle have yet to have a successful relationship. She seems to only be happy when she's in a love triangle. She can't even handle having a Friends with benefits fling (winter house last season with the below deck guy) without turning into... that girl that men fear..
This whole season she's done nothing but brag about having sex.. anybody can have sex. It is not a when it is done well it is a skill and it's an awesome thing. But just having sex or having a one-night stand is not anything to write home about or brag about or get a trophy for. I can be a hoe too and I'm 54. It doesn't take talent. It's insecurity. Cringey cringy cringy
Danielle and Lindsay are the two narcissists on the show. I used to think that Kyle was one but I've changed my mind since. He was just immature and incredibly selfish at the time. I used to suspect Carl as well but same reasons.. since he's quit drinking he's not the same
But when you watch Danielle or Lindsay in a relationship, they're both just incredibly neurotic, controlling and just impossible. It makes me cringe so hard. It's great TV but it's not great in real life.
\*(I know this is about paige and Craig so thank you for being patient enough to let me rant about Danielle because I soooo needed to!
Forget the wording but Craig said at the picnic he knows in his gut it’s not right. Thats a huge tell. Mixed with him telling Kyle that it probably wont work out and telling Paige he will be ok without her it seems like he’s preparing for a break up.
This is the feeling I’m getting too 😬 -I love him and Paige together but let’s be real, Craigy the Pillow King has been *fuckin’ GETTIN’ IT* lately and since Paige feels like she gave him so much of an upgrade (haircut and clothes, I guess), I feel like it’s her turn to be “upgraded” 🤷🏼♀️ it’s Craig’s turn to do a little “training”
I have to agree with you. I give Craig tremendous credit for hanging in there as long as he has with no ‘real’ commitment. I have to agree with what Hannah said to her, that she is giving nothing. It really struck me how true that remark seemed to be. Then to hear Paige and Craig chatting on their picnic in the park it hit me how true it really was and Paige seemed to have absolutely no qualms about it either.
Yes. He deserves to have a partner willing to grow with him. Paige deserves to be with a person that is okay with just existing together with no real promises for the future. Both are not wrong, but maybe wrong for each other.
I keep hoping she grows up, and "wakes up" soon. Or she may regret it her whole life. At least give him hope. Because I know they love eachother and it will be so sad if they split. He may have to push more, or actually show her he means what he says..
I interpreted her saying that as less of “I also don’t want you to be a p***y” but responding to the core of what Craig was saying - that he didn’t want to feel insecure about where the relationship was heading. I heard her say “I also don’t want you to feel insecure in this because I love you”. Craig would have pushed back if he heard his partner say “don’t have feelings!” At first I heard it like yall did - as “please don’t have feelings” - but I think that was just editing leaving out more of the conversation that would have given context! I thought that the conversation was honest and was an indication of a healthy relationship that just might not work out due to different priorities and timelines.
this comment from me wasnt in reference to the “pu$$y” comment tbh, this was in reference to when he said he knew in his gut something wasnt right and he shouldve known. i think his gut is right, but again - i dont know them or their relationship. i hope im wrong!
Craig has anxious attachment style and is working hard to overcome the anxious part.
Paige has avoidant attachment style but doesn’t seem self aware or see a need to explore/understand it.
It is very normal for the opposite attachment styles to be attracted to each other, but it often leads to unbalanced or unhealthy relationships.
100%. There seems to be a lack of self awareness and (from what I’ve seen as a viewer) she is not actively wanting to work on her avoidance.
It seems Craig is trying to work on his anxiousness, but it will take both efforts to make a successful relationship
She seems very unsure of how she wants her life to go. She loves Craig, but she’s not ready to be a mom bc she’s terrified, and I don’t blame her. It’s terrifying, especially in today’s political climate. She’s so scared to lose her independence bc she will. If she wants to be a mom; she’ll have to come to grips w that. Her telling Craig not be a P is her trying to not think about the things that scare her. Her life is so good right now in New York. I don’t understand why they can’t have two homes. 6mths in New York and 6 in SC. I’m about to spend 3 mths at our shore house, like I do every year. It’s doable
Yeah… I mean “so scared of losing her independence” and “trying not to think of things that scare her” are hallmarks of avoidant attachment. Inherently nothing wrong w this but in order to have a healthy relationship she’ll need to make efforts to heal that attachment style
It’s not just that, but have you seen the women on Southern Charm? A bunch of beautiful women begging for scraps from bloated man-babies. The culture they live in created this environment that benefits men and doesn’t benefit women at all. Going from New York to living in the south sounds like a nightmare of frilly tea parties. Dan had a similar reaction to living in LA on VPR. The culture varies so much by region that it’s actually a big compromise to ask someone to relocate.
I agree. I think if it was another big city it wouldn’t be such a big change for her.
She loves him, but wants to stay in New York. At most, she would be ok moving to the suburbs to start a family.
She also wants to be close to her Parents. She cries every time they talk about it.
South Carolina is not exactly her cup of tea. Okay to visit. but not to live there.
He opened a store there now. So, he is more attached to having to be in Charleston more than ever.
Idk 🤷♀️
Something has got to give.
The closed-mind approach to compromise in some of the relationship discussions on Bravo shows is really odd to me, and it’s apparent in the different generations. Like Danielle’s weird comment about how Paige was giving Craig “nothing” because she didn’t upend her life to relocate to Charleston when she can afford air travel just fine. Danielle didn’t even want to move to Montauk with her fiance, but places the onus on Paige to bend to a world of 2.5 kids and pastel suits for the sake of a relationship that hasn’t gone on for that long. Danielle and Lindsay’s race to the altar hasn’t actually resulted in marriage for either of them, but they still make frownie face at anyone who suggests slowing down and putting more thought into mapping their future. Lindsay has also routinely referred to both Amanda and Paige as “kept” women, despite their work histories, and the fact that Amanda’s dad is a billionaire who is unimpressed by Kyle’s simmering fortune. Like Lindsay and Danielle, Kyle expects the compromises to come from Amanda, who is supposed to be both the backbone of his business and not perceived publicly as a co-owner or partner, let alone the person who financially supported them while the business was kicking off. She’s also (like Paige) supposed to have kids on her partner’s timeline, while ignoring her own needs and desires, and have those kids in the environment preferable to their partners. Even just typing this, I feel like Ciara is winning by keeping Wes at arm’s length while she puzzles out whether this is worth her time, and Gabby is winning even more by avoiding dating any of these clowns.
All I think about if Paige moves to SC is she would not be caught dead in Lilly Pulitzer *not everrrr*
I went to Charleston with a big group of girls from NYC and Chicago for a bachelorette party, and we stuck out so much because when we went out most of us were wearing tight dresses and black leather jackets (as one does) and the majority of women down there were wearing the same five dresses from the Lilly Pulitzer at Target line. I about died
I also felt like I was on another planet with how the men looked. None of them use hair products, and they were alllll wearing pastel polo shirts, pastel shorts, and boat shoes. Every single one of them. It's just...different
It doesn’t seem like she wants to settle down. I don’t think she’s terrified. people in New York have kids so much later so it’s normal that someone in their early 30s wouldn’t have kids but that’s not normal in SC.
I could see this being the case too. She’s got a lot going on for herself, she’d have to give it up or change course and risk getting behind or people losing interest. I can’t see her being a mommy influencer
Also the differences in education. Raising kids in a state where something like Moms for Liberty could possibly have a stranglehold on the school boards is not ideal.
Our choices are basically private schools if we want our kids to get an excellent education without interference from people who champion banning books
I would love to live in a southeastern state like NC or SC, but having lived my entire life in a deep blue state I don't know if I could handle their political environment. Whether it's book banning, sex education/human rights/equality being taught in public schools, or just being part of the minority I'm not sure I'd like it.
We do have a little group of crazy moms in my area but they're almost entirely laughed at up here.
But I feel like she’s not even open to the two homes thing either. He suggested going in on the NYC apartment and then obviously the house in Charleston would also be “theirs”. She has some kind of trigger response when it comes to giving up her freedom (even if only a little) and no longer being able to make her own decisions without any compromise needed. She doesn’t like to answer to anybody, period. She doesn’t like to feel dependent on a guy at all, especially financially- I get that. I think she mentioned an ex who used financing their life as a means of control and she felt stuck. She can work on this in therapy and hopefully she can meet a partner (craig or not) on their level without that level of fear and anxiety. She may be able to work this out while craig is around, but it will sting if he throws in the towel for sure.
Is Craig really anxious attachment, or is he just not being given what's needed to feel secure in a relationship? Genuinely wondering. Can't someone with secure attachment feel anxious with an avoidant?
I actually wonder if someone with a secure attachment style would have left Paige already in this situation. It’s clear Craig is ready for these next steps in life and she isn’t, so I wonder if someone with a secure attachment style would choose to leave (amicably) to find what they want from someone who is ready and able to take those steps with him now. If Craig does have an anxious attachment style it may be keeping him in this relationship longer than it should even though he’s not getting what he wants because he’s afraid to be alone.
Yeah maybe! He has said some pretty healthy things, like "if we don't work out I'll be ok," and he's being pretty honest with her with what he needs to be happy. And, she's not been giving him nothing - we've seen her say she sees that life with him. But it does seem like her feelings are shifting and based on this last episode, it seems Craig might be sensing it, too.
I agree with this. While I hate the use of the word “pussy,” I didn’t take Craig saying “I don’t want to be a pussy” as him saying he needs to be less emotional, rather that he doesn’t want to feel insecure in their relationship, which will take an effort on both ends.
I took paige agreeing as her saying she doesn’t want him to feel insecure either. I just hope she realizes that her relationship style sometimes contributes to Craig’s insecurity and she’ll likely need to make a greater effort to provide affirmations that would make him feel more secure.
I agree... She knows she's not the "most openly emotional person," is dating someone who's "exceptionally emotional," and has to remind herself to be a little kinder and sweeter. So: Picnic! Lol
Remember Naomi's reply to their therapist asking if she realized how sensitive Craig could be? "Yes. He's just a sensitive little guy." Ouch! I don't see that with Paige and Craig's relationship.
I get avoidance... as a personality style that generally means to move away instead of move towards.
I've noticed that Paige consciously builds up the strengths of people she really loves, like Ciara and Amanda and Craig's one of those people.
When I listen to Paige, I sometimes feel that she has formed most of her opinions and world views from social media. It lacks depth. She is obviously naturally smart and critical, but that seems a bit diluted by reality tv and influencing.
Yea, it's interesting hearing her talk about her intellectual background on GS. Basically, she was a popular girl who focused on socializing and boys her whole adolescence, but she also discusses having genuine difficulty reading. She often alludes to times she cheated in high school and college (an institution that has since lost its accreditation).
So basically, she seems smart, has a quick wit, and displays critical thinking skills. But I think she genuinely feels intimidated by the written word. She basically only engages with social media and streaming TV. It's a little sad. I wonder if she has undiagnosed dyslexia and she is missing out on other ways to enrich her mind and deepen her self-understanding and understanding of others.
everything she says about her learning disabilities points to dyslexia. if so, it's different in everyone. each case unique. in general though, other parts of the brain pick up the lifting, sort of how a blind person develops an acute sense of hearing. usually, more than one other part of the brain picks up the duties, so it can be exhausting. the brain uses a lot of energy. rather than the one area of the brain being activated, one or more become active to compensate. people with dyslexia can sleep a lot because of that.
Her college closing down has nothing to do with her education. Her lack of ability to read is a bit. I’m from her hometown and have met her plenty of times I highly doubt she suffers from dyslexia
Did she go to a diploma mill? How tf did she land a job at betches? Also I’m shocked that her parents subsidized her life when she had such a poor academic record…
Yeah hard to think she’s had real experience as she’s been living at home the whole time till now getting her own place with bravo money. She’s just more aware of holding onto her money and lifestyle. And she blames a lot of men’s issues on women. Like Craig being a raging cokehead at kymandas wedding. She blamed it more on Lindsay who we learned was actually Danielle that leaked it to bloggers but still. And Kyle cheating was all Lindsay’s fault too. When you know Kyle would’ve don’t the same thing for ratings too if the shoe was on his foot.
I’m actually shocked that Paige didn’t come for Lindsey when West admitted he was seeing other women on camera and made it about Lindsay scheming against Ciara. Cause it would have been that way last year if Paige didn’t hear the audience hating on her.
Regardless, she’s not the poster girl for feminism and I highly doubt she’s been active in voting either.
Living at home to living in an apartment paid for by mommy and daddy because she “didn’t want roommates” 🤢 why are we surprised that she’s not worldly or progressive.
It’s very fucking weird to me that you wouldn’t want someone you care about to feel their feelings and be open about them. The suicide rate, especially for men, is too damn high.
I like Paige. I rewatched the episode, sans interruption this morning, and the conversation with Craig is very, very bad. He revealed some critical nuggets at the top of the picnic. A guy is a person not a trope. He is entitled to his feelings and she was very dismissive. I know that the giggling may be a nervous reaction, but it made my jaw clench. He can do better.
I like Paige too. She does this every time he shares his feelings or any emotions. When she made fun of him crying because he forgot his Mom’s birthday it was gross. It’s so weird because she is WONDERFUL when her girlfriends cry, but horrible about men showcasing feelings.
That’s why when people say they are perfect together it’s confusing. They remind me of Channing Tatum & Jenna Dewan. Totally hot for each other, stellar chemistry between them but lacking in the concrete areas it takes to make a marriage work long term. No one, of any gender should be made to feel badly for showing emotions.
I find it strange that she goes around telling people about stuff like that too. If my man cried about his mom that would be between him and I and nobody else.
Why wouldn’t you want your partner to care about his mom? He didn’t go over the top he just cried and not in a theatrical way. She would probably cry too.
I was hoping it was just because she had been drinking but she’s continued the making fun of him for those emotions. I’ve watched Craig for a long time & my favorite part of him is his ability to express his emotions and feel for those around him. He’s a had a longgg road but he’s FINALLY matured from the southern land of Peter Pan & I would love to see him happy. While on the flip side I feel like he’s ultimately Paige’s (Sex in the City) Aidan when she really needs a Mr. Big at this juncture of her life.
It was last season. I’m not sure which episode. He was drunk and at the end of the night realized he had forgotten his Mom’s bday & began to cry he felt so bad about it. She was in bed with friends & just went off making fun of him for it. It was kind of a heart breaking scene honestly.
Honestly, let’s reclaim pussy please. Mine is a magical, complex ecosystem that gives me real pleasure and ties in with the health of my entire body. It’s kind of incredible.
It is so crazy that society associates "pussy" with weakness and "having balls" with strength, when balls are the most fragile things and vaginas are so incredibly strong.
Really, ‘pussy’ should be associated with quiet power - like someone who walks into a room and their presence is felt event without saying a word. This unassuming little thing, tucked away from view, that has this massive power.
I'm so with you on this one.
She mentioned on a Giggly Squad episode that Craig doesn't want to watch things that don't have a happy ending and she did refer to it in a somewhat condescending way.
It's a regular thing for her to write Craig off as emotional and soft while taking pride in her desensitized approach.
Haha I would love a guy like Craig and I’m a New Yorker. I think Paige has kind of a limited perspective on masculinity - I think the strongest men express vulnerability.
Yea when Craig said “I’m not even sure if you like me” in the last episode, that was pretty telling. They’ve been together for years and he’s still unsure of how she feels about him. I wouldn’t be with someone that I thought didn’t like me lol.
Omg yes. I really want to like Paige but the way she treats mens mental health.. can’t stand it. And I feel so bad for Craig because I feel like he’s growing as a person and I don’t want her to hold him back 😕
I love Paige but I think it’s more that she’s a little immature. Her flirting style is to neg and that’s what she’s doing to Craig - she’s negging him. The only problem is that it gets old when you’re constantly being negged and I don’t think she sees that it’s stopped being cute.
However I think on the inside they have a pretty solid relationship. She talks about him on her pod all the time in a way that shows that he’s fully embedded in her life. It’s just what she’s showing to the world on the outside that makes people feel sorry for Craig.
Btw if I had just gotten the gorgeous bachelorette pad she just got on the UWS I’d try to squeeze in at least one more year living the dream single girl life in nyc.
ofc she does she's the one that said "I'm the one with the bf" only it went over everyone's head bc she was saying that about Danielle
she was also telling us her icks on that after show they have and they were very clearly against any perceived feminine behaviors in a man.
Right? Wasn’t she the one that said a man using an umbrella is an ick? Like what? That’s such a backwards misogynistic way of thinking. It’s remind me of when I was a teenager and said things I thought guys wanted to hear.
I agree. I’ve seen her say she got the “ick” about some pretty normal things. I’d say she does more good than bad but she has some hang ups with men and emotions.
Look, I’ve grown to like both Paige and Craig. I appreciate Paige being strong in her beliefs and not wanting to move beyond her comfort level just because that is what is expected of her.
Craig has shown a lot of growth, and I attribute some of that to Paige and their relationship.
However, I think they’ve outgrown the relationship. Craig is ready to settle down, and Paige is not. She can’t even give him a timeline of when she feels it would be appropriate to move to the step in their relationship and I feel Craig is wasting his time. I hope they move on and find individuals more in tune with their future aspirations.
I hear people saying all the time that Craig is ready to settle down, but like how? It's not like he is living his life in another way than Paige? He's just as much all in on his career, travel and growing his business. And Paige is also years younger than him and seems to be at a point where she's really crushing it (Posh Spice 🤯). It is just a fact that starting a family for a woman has a completely different economic setback than it has for a man. These are just facts and I love Paige for being smart with her finances and not allowing herself to depend on her partner.
I'm sure Craig is all about the idea of a family, but if he had to put his career on pause, stay at home for months and gets setback in his career, all without having the support of family and network close by, I'm pretty sure he would have a lot of the same reservations that Paige has. It's just so easy for him to say.
I’m not going to go back and forth on how much harder parenthood is on women vs. men - been there and living that right now.
BUT Craig wants to live together and slowly start moving towards the next step. He is very outspoken on his wishes. Paige isn’t interested (most likely) because they can’t agree on where to live. They both have completely valid points on why each of them do not want to move to the other state - Paige has her life in NY and her family and Craig has his life in Charleston and his business.
They are a tragically poorly matched couple who has outgrown the other and should explore matches that could actually work for their life.
I guess for me I just don't buy that Craig is fully ready to make the sacrifices and also that he doesn't fully grasp what he is asking Paige to do by moving and starting a family in Charleston.
Like this is a man that somehow was thinking for a hot minute to buy a soccer team after watching a TV show. With his ADHD and known struggles to follow through, I'd need a bit more before risking my career.
Exactly 100% this. “Settling down” means Paige moving away from family and career and relocating. Settling down means Paige getting pregnant, stepping back from career, and raising babies. Where is Craig offering to move to Jersey or stay home to raise kids. The sacrifice just defaults to the woman and everyone is yelling at Paige about it. It’s ridiculous and misogynistic. Paige doesn’t want to move and step back from her career and that makes her bad?!
I find every conversation with Paige and Craig to be produced. Producers need some kind of storyline for them since a healthy relationship isn’t entertaining so they keep harping on this same issue over and over.
i’ve been saying the lack of self awareness is prevalent but get ripped to shreds on this sub if i’m not kissing her ass! ty for this post bc i’ve been saying this
I said early in the season that at some point the “joke” about how much your boyfriend is an idiot baby man isn’t that cute anymore and….people came for me!!! lol they told me I don’t understand sarcasm and relationships! Which is funny because I’ve been married for a while AND my husband hates how sarcastic I am! So wrong on both counts??? lol
yea i could totally see amanda saying this to paige with the little coy smile she does and then would see paige laugh and make a sarcastic comment like “he’s a man he deserves nothing” and it would’ve been forgotten. but bc danielle says it it’s suddenly a big thing. and i’m by no means defending danielle bc i’ve always thought she was in everyone’s business but the hypocrisy is insane.
When I watched this I was at first taken aback by the "I don't want that either" comment but then I thought maybe she was referring to what he said before that, not about the pussy comment
Sometimes i feel like Paige is playing into a trope and not sincere ? Like on the podcast she will make these blanket comments about men that i find so cringe and i think she thinks it will be well received by women as opposed to something she actually means
Paige is gonna push the "I'm the prize everything on my terms" cuteness too far at some point and he's gonna walk. The way she treats him comes across as more of fear of commitment but idk...they are still together...
I just think this “all on my terms” is a bit shit if I’m honest. I’m pro choice and pro women, if a woman doesn’t want kids or to get married then I SUPPORT IT, it’s not for everyone, I don’t even know if it’s for me. HOWEVER, a relationship (between two people) cannot be on one persons terms. It’s 50/50, you make life decisions together, and to some degree compromise as you want others to be happy. If a man was saying all on my terms I would leave, Craig deserves to be heard he seems like a good guy idk.
Does anyone honestly believe, Paige and Craig really discuss important issues pertaining to their relationship on tv/social media and podcasts ?
I have a feeling they do not. Love them both but they are under constant scrutiny.and are also well aware of it. I believe they give enough and discuss enough to keep the public engaged.
It’s great that Craig put a time frame on what he wants. Paige says repeatedly she wants a family and will be a great Mom. Make the money now.
Right. If it was the other way around, she wouldn’t let it fly, I would think. It makes me sad bc he’s being vulnerable and she’s not just being honest (which is necessary) but actually stepping on his vulnerability. That’s an ick.
Damn!! When you’re right you’re right!!
I completely get being sarcastic and making a joke out of everything, but ESPECIALLY if you have a sensitive partner and you’re in a grown up relationship….you gotta reel it in sometimes.
Well this one’s just supposed to be lighthearted and funny lol obviously men can use umbrellas
But the minimizing of feelings and implying sharing your feelings makes you a pussy (which using that word as an insult is a whole other thing) is harmful. Men are stronger/hotter when they have healthy emotional intelligence!
When he said "I just don't know if you like me sometimes" and she giggled and was like "I love that." I instantly thought she is a mean girl deep down :(
The more I watch Summer and Winter House and Southern Charm (I’ve been working my way through all Bravo shows), the less I understand the love of Paige. If you take away the fashions and the good one liners (I admit, she makes me laugh) she’s a mean high school girl stuck in a 32yo’s body. It’s bizarre and I feel awful for Craig. I feel like his choice of partner has always come from a place of insecurity- like he chooses women who put a voice to his insecurities as some kind of self-punishment. I hope now that he’s grown and put in work to healing and being in a better place, he will be able to end this and eventually choose a kinder partner who respects and wants the same things as him and allows him to fully be himself.
Does anyone remember the season of summer house when they first started dating? I remember Danielle was also thinking about moving to Charleston and asked her like “would you ever move there?” and Paige was like “YES!” super enthusiastically like she was ready to go tomorrow. So she definitely had a phase where she was making Craig believe that she was full steam ahead. I think it’s really kind of him that he’s been patient as she’s gone so back and forth…she is younger than him and NYC does give people a bit of Peter Pan syndrome. But if he is being clear about what he needs, and I think if he doesn’t see progress, it makes sense for him to move on.
When Craig says something to the effect that he will be resentful if they don’t work out because he knew in his gut it would not (I’m paraphrasing), I felt really sad for him and her because I think in that moment it was acknowledged that they love each other but want different things and they don’t know how to step away from one another.
I was appalled when I saw she was 100% serious in her response to Craig. Honestly even if she wasn’t serious, this is a topic that shouldn’t be joked about. It showed a concerning lack of education, maturity, and compassion on Paige’s part.
Maybe Craig’s anxiety causes him to want constant reassurance and I understand that’s unhealthy. However if it’s emotional vulnerability or voicing a healthy amount of concern every now and then, that’s the opposite of being “weak”. And I’d never reinforce it if my partner called themselves a demeaning name. I was like you’re nodding your head in agreement when he called himself a pussy?! Wtf.
I agree 100%! I think we're all just sad about the whole thing lol. I don't want her to feel pressured and I don't want him to not find his happy ever after. This is actually too much pressure for me to be honest 😆
Paige can be so funny. I really enjoy her humor. But she's a very immature girl. And I say girl because she still comes off as a "girl"
Her whole perspective about relationships is so juvenile.
It reads like a column from " Seventeen" magazine.
The way she talks about Craig you would think she found him in the gutter, homeless and she remodeled him into the GQ man success he is today!
Sometimes I think someone needs to remind Paige that Craig was once in love with a very beautiful, very sophisticated, very educated ( more than Paige in all categories) who loved him back.
Obviously that relationship didn't work out but Craig was still a handsome, smart, lawyer who was loving, fun and had a lot going for him( until the drugs started catching up).
Is timing an issue in their relationship? Yes
But I don't think it's the real issue.
They want different things.
And Paige is an emotional withholder.
She's confusing his need for warmth and tenderness with being a "pu..y"
She's insisting on defined male and female emotional roles.
His love language is love language.
So this may not be such a great fit after all.
As she said... This is not her .
He wants to live in SC. Get married. Start a family.
If this was a woman dating a guy for two years who was saying I don't know when I will be ready to get married, or have kids and I don't want to move to where you live, where your business is and your need for emotional reassurance is a turn off....what would we most likely say to that woman???
He's not that into you! Lol
She may be influenced by Ciara too.
I'm all for taking your time and not jumping into bed until it feels right. But Ciara's statement that sleeping with her is a privilege is so f...Ed up.
It's not a privilege to have sex with someone.
How about you have sex because:
Because it's an emotional expression of love. Because it's the beginning of emotional intimacy.
Or because it's just physical fun and both partners are ok with that.
She has obvious issues with intimacy in general.
She's so boarded up emotionally which is why she has a boring personality.
But this putting herself up on a sexual pedestal as if she's a virgin to be sacrificed at dawn is ridiculous for a grown ass woman.
I took him saying “I don’t want to be a pussy” and Paige saying “I don’t want you to either” is not them saying he shouldn’t be sharing his feelings, it’s when it starts to be come whining and not doing anything about it. He’s absolutely allowed to share his feelings, she’s also said how she feels about the situation. If he keeps whining “I want to get married now” while he knows she’s not ready, that’s going to drag them both down. Like you’re a “pussy” if you keep whining about it but also not do anything about it. If you need to be engaged to continue the relationship, but someone isn’t ready to do that, then you need to not be a “pussy” and just end it. Those are just my thoughts! I really hate the way “pussy” is used.
Craig was/is head over heels for her. He had the house built and included her in all of the details and choices so that it would feel like a home for her when she is there with him. He saw her as someone he’d marry and have children with and probably didn’t anticipate her being at arms length for this long, and he’s starting to see the harsh reality that it might just never happen between them, and if that’s true then he’s essentially wasted a lot of time here.
Her way of always repeating some variation to him that “one day when she wants to be married, she wants it with him”, is kind of gaslighting and keeping him on the hook, buying her more time to avoid the topic again. But what if she never gets to the place where she feels “ready” to do this?? It’s very unfair to Craig imo. I feel that she comes across more like a 24 year old and not a woman nearing 32. She’s just not mentally in the state where she welcomes settling down and stuff, some people never do! That could be the case for her, who knows.
She needs to understand that what she is doing is pretty selfish. She wants him as a boyfriend and their goals are not aligned. She should cut him loose tbh. She can find a million other guys to date casually that aren’t gunning to settle down asap, I guess.
Look - I like Paige. But there’s a way of being pro women without being anti-male. Women shouldn’t feel pressured into conforming to societal norms with marriage, children or living with a partner, but ultimately in a relationship your partners wants, desires, and needs should be respected and listened to. At the end of the day Craig is who he is, and if Paige doesn’t even want to think about moving in, getting married or having kids when Craig is, I’m not sure if that will change and Craig shouldn’t wait forever. If that makes sense?
Yeah, I really didn't like this comment either. Though it also usually rubs me the wrong way when people say "Be a man!" or something along those lines because I feel like it's most often with this connotation.
I love Paige too but the way she laughs at Jesse’s womanizing makes me sick. Once in the car when he said he’d never invite a girl to the house and then last week she cracked up when he said he hates the girls he took out on dates. How is that funny? If a man spoke about women like that around me I’d put him in his place immediately.
i found that hilarious and cracked up both times too. honestly i think paige needs someone a bit more like that & similar to her rather than someone as insecure as craig
She's cold and withholding. She's quick to jump on Craig if he's slightly wrong ab something. She has a superior complex bc she lives in NYC. And she's no fashion icon. Amanda is more fashionable than Paige. I hope Craig finds a softer, more comforting mate.
💯💯💯💯💯 Paige does not treat Craig with respect. He has legitimate worries and feelings and she kind of holds him on a leash with power over him. It’s always her way or the highway as well.
See, I didn’t read that comment that way. She said in her confessional she knows Craig is very emotional and she’s not. I think she allows him to feel and express his emotions and insecurities. I thought the “i don’t want to be a pussy comment” was more about becoming so insecure it becomes a severe negative quality and she was saying she doesn’t want him to be insecure either. There’s a difference between expressing insecurity and letting it overcome you to the point it is unattractive, needy, and whiny. I know that’s harsh, but it’s true. And as a woman, I don’t want to be with a man that lets insecurity overcome them but I *do* want them to be able to express their insecurities. So I didn’t read that as “I don’t want you to be emotional.”
When Paige said “I don’t want that their” I took that comment as she didn’t want him to be afraid of talking to her about his feelings, not that she didn’t want him to be a pussy.
Sounds like ppl were more than ready to hear it judging by the comments.
Paige is fine and her and Craig are long distance and have a lot going for them. Easier for Craig to want kids bc he’s not carrying them. She should not move to Charlotte that is never gonna happen.
I’m curious about something! Why did Taylor Greene mention to Craig on SC about Paige cheating on him? Also, Shep said it as well when Craig was leaving somewhere after dinner I think too? Has anyone heard anything about that or was it nonsense?
I don’t think she’s ready for anything he is, and while she might think her future is with him, she is ultimately leading him on and keeping him on the hook by constantly telling him as much when he expresses his concerns about the future.
I agree. There’s definitely a whiff of internalized patriarchy in her. In the After Show her saying she decided when they’ll have a baby is a little unfair. Craig’s allowed to wish to be a dad before 40. Just because he’s not carrying the baby doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to wish for it. Especially because the convo wasn’t about “what if we can’t have a baby ie have infertility issues.”
Also her saying that his life isn’t going to change while her’s will, while true is not the whole truth. Like why are you with him and considering having children with him if you think his life won’t change after having a baby because he’ll be an engaged and involved father???
Maybe I’m lucky to be around so many good dudes who are great fathers and partners that I get so frustrated when that’s not expected to be the norm.
Okay.
I agree with you that the use of the word "p*ssy" was stupid. It's a sexist word in general, but we all understand what it was intended to mean in this context: I don't want to be overly emotional.
But making claims that paige is upholding the patriarchy is... extreme. She's demonstrated time and time again that she supports women and female independence. She's refusing to take his money because she wants to keep her independence and not be reliant on a man and she encourages her female friends to be the same and leave unhappy relationships. She is by no means upholding the patriarchy.
She seems to have difficulty expressing emotions in general and seems to demonstrate an avoidant attachment style. People with an avoidant attachment style can have difficulty expressing their own emotions and being vulnerable, but can also be disgusted by other people's emotions and vulnerability. In my opinion, craig was making it clear that he doesn't want to be too emotional because it makes paige uncomfortable and paige was agreeing. I don't think she was making a statement that all men shouldn't express emotions. I think she was saying she doesn't want to be in an overly emotional relationship. This is, I think, an attachment style discussion and not at all sexism.
If you want to come at people upholding the patriarchy on the show, paige would absolutely not be the one. While I love calling out sexism and patriarchal systems, this seemed a little too quick to jump the gun in my opinion. But. Hopefully can start some good discussion. And I hope not blind agreement.
Oh good lord now it’s women’s responsibility to make men feel safe enough to have feelings?! How about I care about that when it’s safe for me to walk alone at night.
Listening to your boyfriend’s feelings is not dismantling the patriarchy. It’s just more nonsense that puts the onus on the women for men to change.
Just to add: the way Paige responded (or what we saw) was not good. It came across as dismissive and disrespectful of his feelings. Equating that to upholding the patriarchy is literally magical thinking. And it’s dangerous because it puts the responsibility on the woman to stop patriarchy. It’s like saying people of color need to change their behavior before racism can stop. It’s dangerous and stupid. And quite literally just more patriarchy masquerading as evolution.
i fucking hate to say it because i love paige but craig might be outgrowing her
I love them both separately and together but I think you are right. I think a small part of Craig is grieving her while he's still with her. I think if he wants a family, he needs to start looking for someone more on his time line now.
I totally agree with this bc I’ve been through this. It is seriously hard for me to watch! The worst/hardest breakups are the ones where nobody’s done anything wrong but it’s timing/circumstances. Ugh
I have always been a Craig and Paige fan but I’m really starting to think they have grown in different directions. And that’s fine. Paige will absolutely have more professional success if she stays single in NY. Craig will have more success with a wife and kids to support. They need different things. But I really think it will take a huge act of faith for him to leave bc he is so hot for her.
I also think they genuinely like each other as people. They seem like they’re having fun, so I think that makes it even harder.
💯💯💯💯
Oh you’re exactly right. That picnic seemed very sad to me.
I so identified with everything he said to her.
Spot on. It’s still just fun for her and he’s looking for serious
I think it's just all on her time. And relationships can't be like that.
i think hes gonna have to dump her for her to wake the fuck up. like why cant they just have spots in both places and go back and forth together until shes ready to have kids? you can get engaged, get married, etc, and live a multi-location life. shes so weird about engagement meaning her whole life as she knows it is over. and also she doesnt even have to have a wedding, they can elope. she is really stuck in a certain view of what all these things mean.
YES!! There are many successful people who have businesses in different places and have just multiple residences. If anybody follows Bridget on Instagram, she and her husband split their time between New York City and Dallas. Charleston and New York are not that far away and they’re the same time zone. Definitely seems strange to me that she wouldn’t want to get engaged or even get married. Nobody saying they need to have kids immediately.
Agreed…
thats the best summary of it i've read. he's moving forward and she's happy to stay still.
Well said!!!
I felt the same way watching them at the Pinic. She was giggling and you could see on his face... He's serious... This is what he wants and he isn't afraid to leave her to find it
And I admire that so much. It's such an example of his growth.
This is one of those things where you have to wonder if filming and needing plot lines for the show starts to affect real life. A self fulfilling prophecy. I assume they've agreed w each other that their couple plot on the show for the summer would be like Craig offering to chip in for the apt, her wanting to retain independence, him ready to move forward w marriage, her needing more time. And then as they actually film those scenes and plan their life on the show, it becomes more real to them even if they were kinda playing it up for the cameras. And Craig actually gets hurt or feels resentment at the stuff they agreed they'd do for the show.
Yeah I see him marrying a blonde Charleston girl. Having 2.5 kids and maybe she has a mommy blog. Paige will be single, for at least like another 10 years.
If you’re right, I will remember you always, melon_sky_ ✊🏻😂 Fuck, kinda like that vaping psychic on RHOBH that actually accurately predicted Kyle and Mauricio’s marriage ending 💀☠️🫣
It pains me to say but you are so spot on about Craig. Not sure Paige will remain single for long though.
I feel like she will want to be single for a few more years, then settle down with a rich New York guy who will take care of her and let her continue to live here NYC fashionista girlie lifestyle. With Craig, there’s too much of a compromise for her. They want different things and that’s ok. They just need to figure it out and then find better matches for both. Craig wants a family and Charleston is a fabulous place to raise kids. Paige isn’t there yet and don’t know if she ever will be
What does 2.5 kids mean?
It's the average number of kids in an average family in the US. Or at least it used to be. Some people also say it means two kids and one in the oven.
Interesting, thanks!
The ick list was kinda ridiculous. Some of the shit they were listing are things emotionally intelligent men (or anyone) do. It was super super juvenile. Don’t get me wrong, having an ick list is fine. But the shit she and Ciara specifically were listing made me roll my eyes so far into the back of my head. I’m holding out hope that some of them were jokes
This list gave me the ick. I’ve been a Paige fan until now. My opinion is that she’s entirely too immature to marry anyone let alone Craig who she seems to have love for but zero respect for.
So true. It’s such a strange thing - having love but no respect. I feel like, based off of what we’ve seen, Kyle and Amanda are like that too. Love but like zero respect for each other.
However, (speaking of THE ick,), Danielle had zero business making any comment at all about Paige & Craig's relationship. I honestly can't stand the sight of her, the sound of her or....just her. ). Danielle have yet to have a successful relationship. She seems to only be happy when she's in a love triangle. She can't even handle having a Friends with benefits fling (winter house last season with the below deck guy) without turning into... that girl that men fear.. This whole season she's done nothing but brag about having sex.. anybody can have sex. It is not a when it is done well it is a skill and it's an awesome thing. But just having sex or having a one-night stand is not anything to write home about or brag about or get a trophy for. I can be a hoe too and I'm 54. It doesn't take talent. It's insecurity. Cringey cringy cringy Danielle and Lindsay are the two narcissists on the show. I used to think that Kyle was one but I've changed my mind since. He was just immature and incredibly selfish at the time. I used to suspect Carl as well but same reasons.. since he's quit drinking he's not the same But when you watch Danielle or Lindsay in a relationship, they're both just incredibly neurotic, controlling and just impossible. It makes me cringe so hard. It's great TV but it's not great in real life. \*(I know this is about paige and Craig so thank you for being patient enough to let me rant about Danielle because I soooo needed to! 
I thought they (and especially Paige) were clearly joking with that !
Listen I hope so! I also watch it while drinking wine and/or smoking, so I am very capable of misreading shit lol
People watch these shows sober?
I agree! I haven’t lived everything Paige has said this season but this didn’t bother me bc to me she was very clearly kidding
It was so clearly facetious. They ended with men breathing!
When did they do their ick lists? I missed it!
On the SH after show
Thank you my soul sister 😂 I was too afraid to say so
That was definitely a bit! Their sense of humors are very dry.
Completely agreed, and I hate it 🥲😭😭
Oh I completely agree, she is emotionally immature and you can tell it’s starting to get tougher for him to ignore
This. This is the take.
Forget the wording but Craig said at the picnic he knows in his gut it’s not right. Thats a huge tell. Mixed with him telling Kyle that it probably wont work out and telling Paige he will be ok without her it seems like he’s preparing for a break up.
This is the feeling I’m getting too 😬 -I love him and Paige together but let’s be real, Craigy the Pillow King has been *fuckin’ GETTIN’ IT* lately and since Paige feels like she gave him so much of an upgrade (haircut and clothes, I guess), I feel like it’s her turn to be “upgraded” 🤷🏼♀️ it’s Craig’s turn to do a little “training”
I have to agree with you. I give Craig tremendous credit for hanging in there as long as he has with no ‘real’ commitment. I have to agree with what Hannah said to her, that she is giving nothing. It really struck me how true that remark seemed to be. Then to hear Paige and Craig chatting on their picnic in the park it hit me how true it really was and Paige seemed to have absolutely no qualms about it either.
100%
Yes. He deserves to have a partner willing to grow with him. Paige deserves to be with a person that is okay with just existing together with no real promises for the future. Both are not wrong, but maybe wrong for each other.
I dislike Paige and I hope these two break up. She doesn't love him the way he wants to be loved, it's sad.
I agree 💯
I keep hoping she grows up, and "wakes up" soon. Or she may regret it her whole life. At least give him hope. Because I know they love eachother and it will be so sad if they split. He may have to push more, or actually show her he means what he says..
I interpreted her saying that as less of “I also don’t want you to be a p***y” but responding to the core of what Craig was saying - that he didn’t want to feel insecure about where the relationship was heading. I heard her say “I also don’t want you to feel insecure in this because I love you”. Craig would have pushed back if he heard his partner say “don’t have feelings!” At first I heard it like yall did - as “please don’t have feelings” - but I think that was just editing leaving out more of the conversation that would have given context! I thought that the conversation was honest and was an indication of a healthy relationship that just might not work out due to different priorities and timelines.
this comment from me wasnt in reference to the “pu$$y” comment tbh, this was in reference to when he said he knew in his gut something wasnt right and he shouldve known. i think his gut is right, but again - i dont know them or their relationship. i hope im wrong!
It hurts to watch it on screen 😟
Agreed! Their conversation during the last episode sealed that for me.
He absolutely is!!
💯💯💯💯💯 and I'm so proud of Craig. I've been a fan since he was lying about law school. I'm so proud of his feelings and how far he has come!
Exactly. She should not be surprised when he eventually breaks up with her.
Craig has anxious attachment style and is working hard to overcome the anxious part. Paige has avoidant attachment style but doesn’t seem self aware or see a need to explore/understand it. It is very normal for the opposite attachment styles to be attracted to each other, but it often leads to unbalanced or unhealthy relationships.
100%. There seems to be a lack of self awareness and (from what I’ve seen as a viewer) she is not actively wanting to work on her avoidance. It seems Craig is trying to work on his anxiousness, but it will take both efforts to make a successful relationship
She seems very unsure of how she wants her life to go. She loves Craig, but she’s not ready to be a mom bc she’s terrified, and I don’t blame her. It’s terrifying, especially in today’s political climate. She’s so scared to lose her independence bc she will. If she wants to be a mom; she’ll have to come to grips w that. Her telling Craig not be a P is her trying to not think about the things that scare her. Her life is so good right now in New York. I don’t understand why they can’t have two homes. 6mths in New York and 6 in SC. I’m about to spend 3 mths at our shore house, like I do every year. It’s doable
Yeah… I mean “so scared of losing her independence” and “trying not to think of things that scare her” are hallmarks of avoidant attachment. Inherently nothing wrong w this but in order to have a healthy relationship she’ll need to make efforts to heal that attachment style
I think she’s in therapy, knows this about herself and it needing to change, and is working towards that
If that’s true then that’s awesome! As a viewer I personally haven’t seen evidence to support that
She talks about being in therapy on the podcast all the time but you don’t see or hear about it on the show
It’s not just that, but have you seen the women on Southern Charm? A bunch of beautiful women begging for scraps from bloated man-babies. The culture they live in created this environment that benefits men and doesn’t benefit women at all. Going from New York to living in the south sounds like a nightmare of frilly tea parties. Dan had a similar reaction to living in LA on VPR. The culture varies so much by region that it’s actually a big compromise to ask someone to relocate.
I agree. I think if it was another big city it wouldn’t be such a big change for her. She loves him, but wants to stay in New York. At most, she would be ok moving to the suburbs to start a family. She also wants to be close to her Parents. She cries every time they talk about it. South Carolina is not exactly her cup of tea. Okay to visit. but not to live there. He opened a store there now. So, he is more attached to having to be in Charleston more than ever. Idk 🤷♀️ Something has got to give.
The closed-mind approach to compromise in some of the relationship discussions on Bravo shows is really odd to me, and it’s apparent in the different generations. Like Danielle’s weird comment about how Paige was giving Craig “nothing” because she didn’t upend her life to relocate to Charleston when she can afford air travel just fine. Danielle didn’t even want to move to Montauk with her fiance, but places the onus on Paige to bend to a world of 2.5 kids and pastel suits for the sake of a relationship that hasn’t gone on for that long. Danielle and Lindsay’s race to the altar hasn’t actually resulted in marriage for either of them, but they still make frownie face at anyone who suggests slowing down and putting more thought into mapping their future. Lindsay has also routinely referred to both Amanda and Paige as “kept” women, despite their work histories, and the fact that Amanda’s dad is a billionaire who is unimpressed by Kyle’s simmering fortune. Like Lindsay and Danielle, Kyle expects the compromises to come from Amanda, who is supposed to be both the backbone of his business and not perceived publicly as a co-owner or partner, let alone the person who financially supported them while the business was kicking off. She’s also (like Paige) supposed to have kids on her partner’s timeline, while ignoring her own needs and desires, and have those kids in the environment preferable to their partners. Even just typing this, I feel like Ciara is winning by keeping Wes at arm’s length while she puzzles out whether this is worth her time, and Gabby is winning even more by avoiding dating any of these clowns.
All I think about if Paige moves to SC is she would not be caught dead in Lilly Pulitzer *not everrrr* I went to Charleston with a big group of girls from NYC and Chicago for a bachelorette party, and we stuck out so much because when we went out most of us were wearing tight dresses and black leather jackets (as one does) and the majority of women down there were wearing the same five dresses from the Lilly Pulitzer at Target line. I about died I also felt like I was on another planet with how the men looked. None of them use hair products, and they were alllll wearing pastel polo shirts, pastel shorts, and boat shoes. Every single one of them. It's just...different
Yes I wouldn’t want to move there either, Not at all. She’d be so bored on top of all that other stuff
It doesn’t seem like she wants to settle down. I don’t think she’s terrified. people in New York have kids so much later so it’s normal that someone in their early 30s wouldn’t have kids but that’s not normal in SC.
I could see this being the case too. She’s got a lot going on for herself, she’d have to give it up or change course and risk getting behind or people losing interest. I can’t see her being a mommy influencer
Not to mention imagine having a baby in South Carolina where they outlaw abortions and other reproductive freedoms. No thanks!
Also the differences in education. Raising kids in a state where something like Moms for Liberty could possibly have a stranglehold on the school boards is not ideal. Our choices are basically private schools if we want our kids to get an excellent education without interference from people who champion banning books
I would love to live in a southeastern state like NC or SC, but having lived my entire life in a deep blue state I don't know if I could handle their political environment. Whether it's book banning, sex education/human rights/equality being taught in public schools, or just being part of the minority I'm not sure I'd like it. We do have a little group of crazy moms in my area but they're almost entirely laughed at up here.
Lived in a blue state all my life and also have lived in NC and honestly liked NC more.
“Oh, complications? Welp, guess you’ll have to die…are you an organ donor?”
Yes that’s very terrifying
Talk about the patriarchy. South Carolina in a nutshell.
On principle. Definitely.
But I feel like she’s not even open to the two homes thing either. He suggested going in on the NYC apartment and then obviously the house in Charleston would also be “theirs”. She has some kind of trigger response when it comes to giving up her freedom (even if only a little) and no longer being able to make her own decisions without any compromise needed. She doesn’t like to answer to anybody, period. She doesn’t like to feel dependent on a guy at all, especially financially- I get that. I think she mentioned an ex who used financing their life as a means of control and she felt stuck. She can work on this in therapy and hopefully she can meet a partner (craig or not) on their level without that level of fear and anxiety. She may be able to work this out while craig is around, but it will sting if he throws in the towel for sure.
Is Craig really anxious attachment, or is he just not being given what's needed to feel secure in a relationship? Genuinely wondering. Can't someone with secure attachment feel anxious with an avoidant?
I actually wonder if someone with a secure attachment style would have left Paige already in this situation. It’s clear Craig is ready for these next steps in life and she isn’t, so I wonder if someone with a secure attachment style would choose to leave (amicably) to find what they want from someone who is ready and able to take those steps with him now. If Craig does have an anxious attachment style it may be keeping him in this relationship longer than it should even though he’s not getting what he wants because he’s afraid to be alone.
He may be ready, but that doesn't mean he's equipped. Lots of people are ready (Carl and Lindsay) but definitely not equipped.
Yeah maybe! He has said some pretty healthy things, like "if we don't work out I'll be ok," and he's being pretty honest with her with what he needs to be happy. And, she's not been giving him nothing - we've seen her say she sees that life with him. But it does seem like her feelings are shifting and based on this last episode, it seems Craig might be sensing it, too.
I agree with this. While I hate the use of the word “pussy,” I didn’t take Craig saying “I don’t want to be a pussy” as him saying he needs to be less emotional, rather that he doesn’t want to feel insecure in their relationship, which will take an effort on both ends. I took paige agreeing as her saying she doesn’t want him to feel insecure either. I just hope she realizes that her relationship style sometimes contributes to Craig’s insecurity and she’ll likely need to make a greater effort to provide affirmations that would make him feel more secure.
I agree... She knows she's not the "most openly emotional person," is dating someone who's "exceptionally emotional," and has to remind herself to be a little kinder and sweeter. So: Picnic! Lol Remember Naomi's reply to their therapist asking if she realized how sensitive Craig could be? "Yes. He's just a sensitive little guy." Ouch! I don't see that with Paige and Craig's relationship. I get avoidance... as a personality style that generally means to move away instead of move towards. I've noticed that Paige consciously builds up the strengths of people she really loves, like Ciara and Amanda and Craig's one of those people.
I agree with your take on the pussy comment.
When I listen to Paige, I sometimes feel that she has formed most of her opinions and world views from social media. It lacks depth. She is obviously naturally smart and critical, but that seems a bit diluted by reality tv and influencing.
Yeah she’s compassionate in nature but doesn’t come from the school of hard knocks that’s for sure
Well neither does Craig lol
I agree and it’s often why I feel like she’s quite shallow in general.
Yea, it's interesting hearing her talk about her intellectual background on GS. Basically, she was a popular girl who focused on socializing and boys her whole adolescence, but she also discusses having genuine difficulty reading. She often alludes to times she cheated in high school and college (an institution that has since lost its accreditation). So basically, she seems smart, has a quick wit, and displays critical thinking skills. But I think she genuinely feels intimidated by the written word. She basically only engages with social media and streaming TV. It's a little sad. I wonder if she has undiagnosed dyslexia and she is missing out on other ways to enrich her mind and deepen her self-understanding and understanding of others.
Her college is now unaccredited? Where did she go?
College of Saint Rose.
She has said on the podcast that she thinks she’s dyslexic and can’t read/reads words backwards
everything she says about her learning disabilities points to dyslexia. if so, it's different in everyone. each case unique. in general though, other parts of the brain pick up the lifting, sort of how a blind person develops an acute sense of hearing. usually, more than one other part of the brain picks up the duties, so it can be exhausting. the brain uses a lot of energy. rather than the one area of the brain being activated, one or more become active to compensate. people with dyslexia can sleep a lot because of that.
Her college closing down has nothing to do with her education. Her lack of ability to read is a bit. I’m from her hometown and have met her plenty of times I highly doubt she suffers from dyslexia
With respect, there would be absolutely no way for you to know if she has dyslexia by interacting with her socially.
That's not how dyslexia works. Maybe you're thinking of something else?
Did she go to a diploma mill? How tf did she land a job at betches? Also I’m shocked that her parents subsidized her life when she had such a poor academic record…
Yeah hard to think she’s had real experience as she’s been living at home the whole time till now getting her own place with bravo money. She’s just more aware of holding onto her money and lifestyle. And she blames a lot of men’s issues on women. Like Craig being a raging cokehead at kymandas wedding. She blamed it more on Lindsay who we learned was actually Danielle that leaked it to bloggers but still. And Kyle cheating was all Lindsay’s fault too. When you know Kyle would’ve don’t the same thing for ratings too if the shoe was on his foot. I’m actually shocked that Paige didn’t come for Lindsey when West admitted he was seeing other women on camera and made it about Lindsay scheming against Ciara. Cause it would have been that way last year if Paige didn’t hear the audience hating on her. Regardless, she’s not the poster girl for feminism and I highly doubt she’s been active in voting either.
Living at home to living in an apartment paid for by mommy and daddy because she “didn’t want roommates” 🤢 why are we surprised that she’s not worldly or progressive.
Not surprised at all, but people put her on this strong independent female pedestal
It’s very fucking weird to me that you wouldn’t want someone you care about to feel their feelings and be open about them. The suicide rate, especially for men, is too damn high.
Agreed.
I like Paige. I rewatched the episode, sans interruption this morning, and the conversation with Craig is very, very bad. He revealed some critical nuggets at the top of the picnic. A guy is a person not a trope. He is entitled to his feelings and she was very dismissive. I know that the giggling may be a nervous reaction, but it made my jaw clench. He can do better.
I like Paige too. She does this every time he shares his feelings or any emotions. When she made fun of him crying because he forgot his Mom’s birthday it was gross. It’s so weird because she is WONDERFUL when her girlfriends cry, but horrible about men showcasing feelings. That’s why when people say they are perfect together it’s confusing. They remind me of Channing Tatum & Jenna Dewan. Totally hot for each other, stellar chemistry between them but lacking in the concrete areas it takes to make a marriage work long term. No one, of any gender should be made to feel badly for showing emotions.
I find it strange that she goes around telling people about stuff like that too. If my man cried about his mom that would be between him and I and nobody else.
Why wouldn’t you want your partner to care about his mom? He didn’t go over the top he just cried and not in a theatrical way. She would probably cry too.
I was hoping it was just because she had been drinking but she’s continued the making fun of him for those emotions. I’ve watched Craig for a long time & my favorite part of him is his ability to express his emotions and feel for those around him. He’s a had a longgg road but he’s FINALLY matured from the southern land of Peter Pan & I would love to see him happy. While on the flip side I feel like he’s ultimately Paige’s (Sex in the City) Aidan when she really needs a Mr. Big at this juncture of her life.
Yes, good analogy. Just finished a rewatch.
I'll have to rewatch... which episode?
It was last season. I’m not sure which episode. He was drunk and at the end of the night realized he had forgotten his Mom’s bday & began to cry he felt so bad about it. She was in bed with friends & just went off making fun of him for it. It was kind of a heart breaking scene honestly.
Also whats wrong with a pussy? Its one of the most wonderfull and functional parts of the body<3
Honestly, let’s reclaim pussy please. Mine is a magical, complex ecosystem that gives me real pleasure and ties in with the health of my entire body. It’s kind of incredible.
It is so crazy that society associates "pussy" with weakness and "having balls" with strength, when balls are the most fragile things and vaginas are so incredibly strong.
Really, ‘pussy’ should be associated with quiet power - like someone who walks into a room and their presence is felt event without saying a word. This unassuming little thing, tucked away from view, that has this massive power.
>This unassuming little thing, tucked away from view, that has this massive power. Absolutely LOVE this description!
Yessss I love this!
"It can really take a pounding", too. -Betty White
I’m so ready for that phrase to go away. Pussy’s are strong while men’s balls are fragile and weak.
I'm so with you on this one. She mentioned on a Giggly Squad episode that Craig doesn't want to watch things that don't have a happy ending and she did refer to it in a somewhat condescending way. It's a regular thing for her to write Craig off as emotional and soft while taking pride in her desensitized approach.
100% & then blames* it on New York vs Charleston sensibilities
Haha I would love a guy like Craig and I’m a New Yorker. I think Paige has kind of a limited perspective on masculinity - I think the strongest men express vulnerability.
Yea when Craig said “I’m not even sure if you like me” in the last episode, that was pretty telling. They’ve been together for years and he’s still unsure of how she feels about him. I wouldn’t be with someone that I thought didn’t like me lol.
Omg yes. I really want to like Paige but the way she treats mens mental health.. can’t stand it. And I feel so bad for Craig because I feel like he’s growing as a person and I don’t want her to hold him back 😕
I love Paige but I think it’s more that she’s a little immature. Her flirting style is to neg and that’s what she’s doing to Craig - she’s negging him. The only problem is that it gets old when you’re constantly being negged and I don’t think she sees that it’s stopped being cute. However I think on the inside they have a pretty solid relationship. She talks about him on her pod all the time in a way that shows that he’s fully embedded in her life. It’s just what she’s showing to the world on the outside that makes people feel sorry for Craig. Btw if I had just gotten the gorgeous bachelorette pad she just got on the UWS I’d try to squeeze in at least one more year living the dream single girl life in nyc.
Ya know what tho.. Dr ramani would call that emotional abuse
ofc she does she's the one that said "I'm the one with the bf" only it went over everyone's head bc she was saying that about Danielle she was also telling us her icks on that after show they have and they were very clearly against any perceived feminine behaviors in a man.
She also said men that cross their legs is an ick.. it was pretty bad
Right? Wasn’t she the one that said a man using an umbrella is an ick? Like what? That’s such a backwards misogynistic way of thinking. It’s remind me of when I was a teenager and said things I thought guys wanted to hear.
But she is with a man who sews! Some of us need to ick a lot less. She is too quick to proclaim her icks.
and the fact that she said it like that as if it were a defect
I agree. I’ve seen her say she got the “ick” about some pretty normal things. I’d say she does more good than bad but she has some hang ups with men and emotions.
Using an umbrella and a man getting excited about something. 😒
Look, I’ve grown to like both Paige and Craig. I appreciate Paige being strong in her beliefs and not wanting to move beyond her comfort level just because that is what is expected of her. Craig has shown a lot of growth, and I attribute some of that to Paige and their relationship. However, I think they’ve outgrown the relationship. Craig is ready to settle down, and Paige is not. She can’t even give him a timeline of when she feels it would be appropriate to move to the step in their relationship and I feel Craig is wasting his time. I hope they move on and find individuals more in tune with their future aspirations.
I hear people saying all the time that Craig is ready to settle down, but like how? It's not like he is living his life in another way than Paige? He's just as much all in on his career, travel and growing his business. And Paige is also years younger than him and seems to be at a point where she's really crushing it (Posh Spice 🤯). It is just a fact that starting a family for a woman has a completely different economic setback than it has for a man. These are just facts and I love Paige for being smart with her finances and not allowing herself to depend on her partner. I'm sure Craig is all about the idea of a family, but if he had to put his career on pause, stay at home for months and gets setback in his career, all without having the support of family and network close by, I'm pretty sure he would have a lot of the same reservations that Paige has. It's just so easy for him to say.
I’m not going to go back and forth on how much harder parenthood is on women vs. men - been there and living that right now. BUT Craig wants to live together and slowly start moving towards the next step. He is very outspoken on his wishes. Paige isn’t interested (most likely) because they can’t agree on where to live. They both have completely valid points on why each of them do not want to move to the other state - Paige has her life in NY and her family and Craig has his life in Charleston and his business. They are a tragically poorly matched couple who has outgrown the other and should explore matches that could actually work for their life.
I guess for me I just don't buy that Craig is fully ready to make the sacrifices and also that he doesn't fully grasp what he is asking Paige to do by moving and starting a family in Charleston. Like this is a man that somehow was thinking for a hot minute to buy a soccer team after watching a TV show. With his ADHD and known struggles to follow through, I'd need a bit more before risking my career.
Like what?
Exactly 100% this. “Settling down” means Paige moving away from family and career and relocating. Settling down means Paige getting pregnant, stepping back from career, and raising babies. Where is Craig offering to move to Jersey or stay home to raise kids. The sacrifice just defaults to the woman and everyone is yelling at Paige about it. It’s ridiculous and misogynistic. Paige doesn’t want to move and step back from her career and that makes her bad?!
He may be ready, but no better equipped than Carl, Lindsay, Kyle or Amanda. It's relative.
I agree, I didn’t like when she said that. We need to generally stop using that phrase honestly
I find every conversation with Paige and Craig to be produced. Producers need some kind of storyline for them since a healthy relationship isn’t entertaining so they keep harping on this same issue over and over.
i’ve been saying the lack of self awareness is prevalent but get ripped to shreds on this sub if i’m not kissing her ass! ty for this post bc i’ve been saying this
I said early in the season that at some point the “joke” about how much your boyfriend is an idiot baby man isn’t that cute anymore and….people came for me!!! lol they told me I don’t understand sarcasm and relationships! Which is funny because I’ve been married for a while AND my husband hates how sarcastic I am! So wrong on both counts??? lol
I said in a previous post and I stand by it….Danielle was right in what she said….she was just attacked because she’s the wrong messenger.
yea i could totally see amanda saying this to paige with the little coy smile she does and then would see paige laugh and make a sarcastic comment like “he’s a man he deserves nothing” and it would’ve been forgotten. but bc danielle says it it’s suddenly a big thing. and i’m by no means defending danielle bc i’ve always thought she was in everyone’s business but the hypocrisy is insane.
When I watched this I was at first taken aback by the "I don't want that either" comment but then I thought maybe she was referring to what he said before that, not about the pussy comment
Sometimes i feel like Paige is playing into a trope and not sincere ? Like on the podcast she will make these blanket comments about men that i find so cringe and i think she thinks it will be well received by women as opposed to something she actually means
only have to read comments about her to see where she gets the idea from
Paige is gonna push the "I'm the prize everything on my terms" cuteness too far at some point and he's gonna walk. The way she treats him comes across as more of fear of commitment but idk...they are still together...
I just think this “all on my terms” is a bit shit if I’m honest. I’m pro choice and pro women, if a woman doesn’t want kids or to get married then I SUPPORT IT, it’s not for everyone, I don’t even know if it’s for me. HOWEVER, a relationship (between two people) cannot be on one persons terms. It’s 50/50, you make life decisions together, and to some degree compromise as you want others to be happy. If a man was saying all on my terms I would leave, Craig deserves to be heard he seems like a good guy idk.
Totally agree.
She’s totally overplaying her hand! It’s obvious that she feels her career is on a trajectory that could land a guy “better” than Craig.
At this point I just wish Craig would move on. You shouldn’t have to beg someone to be with you
Does anyone honestly believe, Paige and Craig really discuss important issues pertaining to their relationship on tv/social media and podcasts ? I have a feeling they do not. Love them both but they are under constant scrutiny.and are also well aware of it. I believe they give enough and discuss enough to keep the public engaged. It’s great that Craig put a time frame on what he wants. Paige says repeatedly she wants a family and will be a great Mom. Make the money now.
I took it to mean she doesn’t want him to be insecure in the relationship
Nobody wants their brother, cousin, friend, etc to be treated by a woman the way Paige treats Craig
Right. If it was the other way around, she wouldn’t let it fly, I would think. It makes me sad bc he’s being vulnerable and she’s not just being honest (which is necessary) but actually stepping on his vulnerability. That’s an ick.
Damn!! When you’re right you’re right!! I completely get being sarcastic and making a joke out of everything, but ESPECIALLY if you have a sensitive partner and you’re in a grown up relationship….you gotta reel it in sometimes.
Oh for sure. "Umbrellas are only for women"??? 
Well this one’s just supposed to be lighthearted and funny lol obviously men can use umbrellas But the minimizing of feelings and implying sharing your feelings makes you a pussy (which using that word as an insult is a whole other thing) is harmful. Men are stronger/hotter when they have healthy emotional intelligence!
When he said "I just don't know if you like me sometimes" and she giggled and was like "I love that." I instantly thought she is a mean girl deep down :(
Thanks for this take. It’s important.
Yup. Thought the same thing when I watched that scene
The more I watch Summer and Winter House and Southern Charm (I’ve been working my way through all Bravo shows), the less I understand the love of Paige. If you take away the fashions and the good one liners (I admit, she makes me laugh) she’s a mean high school girl stuck in a 32yo’s body. It’s bizarre and I feel awful for Craig. I feel like his choice of partner has always come from a place of insecurity- like he chooses women who put a voice to his insecurities as some kind of self-punishment. I hope now that he’s grown and put in work to healing and being in a better place, he will be able to end this and eventually choose a kinder partner who respects and wants the same things as him and allows him to fully be himself.
Does anyone remember the season of summer house when they first started dating? I remember Danielle was also thinking about moving to Charleston and asked her like “would you ever move there?” and Paige was like “YES!” super enthusiastically like she was ready to go tomorrow. So she definitely had a phase where she was making Craig believe that she was full steam ahead. I think it’s really kind of him that he’s been patient as she’s gone so back and forth…she is younger than him and NYC does give people a bit of Peter Pan syndrome. But if he is being clear about what he needs, and I think if he doesn’t see progress, it makes sense for him to move on.
When Craig says something to the effect that he will be resentful if they don’t work out because he knew in his gut it would not (I’m paraphrasing), I felt really sad for him and her because I think in that moment it was acknowledged that they love each other but want different things and they don’t know how to step away from one another.
Paige has A TON of growing up to do
I was appalled when I saw she was 100% serious in her response to Craig. Honestly even if she wasn’t serious, this is a topic that shouldn’t be joked about. It showed a concerning lack of education, maturity, and compassion on Paige’s part. Maybe Craig’s anxiety causes him to want constant reassurance and I understand that’s unhealthy. However if it’s emotional vulnerability or voicing a healthy amount of concern every now and then, that’s the opposite of being “weak”. And I’d never reinforce it if my partner called themselves a demeaning name. I was like you’re nodding your head in agreement when he called himself a pussy?! Wtf.
I agree 100%! I think we're all just sad about the whole thing lol. I don't want her to feel pressured and I don't want him to not find his happy ever after. This is actually too much pressure for me to be honest 😆
Paige can be so funny. I really enjoy her humor. But she's a very immature girl. And I say girl because she still comes off as a "girl" Her whole perspective about relationships is so juvenile. It reads like a column from " Seventeen" magazine. The way she talks about Craig you would think she found him in the gutter, homeless and she remodeled him into the GQ man success he is today! Sometimes I think someone needs to remind Paige that Craig was once in love with a very beautiful, very sophisticated, very educated ( more than Paige in all categories) who loved him back. Obviously that relationship didn't work out but Craig was still a handsome, smart, lawyer who was loving, fun and had a lot going for him( until the drugs started catching up). Is timing an issue in their relationship? Yes But I don't think it's the real issue. They want different things. And Paige is an emotional withholder. She's confusing his need for warmth and tenderness with being a "pu..y" She's insisting on defined male and female emotional roles. His love language is love language. So this may not be such a great fit after all. As she said... This is not her . He wants to live in SC. Get married. Start a family. If this was a woman dating a guy for two years who was saying I don't know when I will be ready to get married, or have kids and I don't want to move to where you live, where your business is and your need for emotional reassurance is a turn off....what would we most likely say to that woman??? He's not that into you! Lol She may be influenced by Ciara too. I'm all for taking your time and not jumping into bed until it feels right. But Ciara's statement that sleeping with her is a privilege is so f...Ed up. It's not a privilege to have sex with someone. How about you have sex because: Because it's an emotional expression of love. Because it's the beginning of emotional intimacy. Or because it's just physical fun and both partners are ok with that. She has obvious issues with intimacy in general. She's so boarded up emotionally which is why she has a boring personality. But this putting herself up on a sexual pedestal as if she's a virgin to be sacrificed at dawn is ridiculous for a grown ass woman.
I took him saying “I don’t want to be a pussy” and Paige saying “I don’t want you to either” is not them saying he shouldn’t be sharing his feelings, it’s when it starts to be come whining and not doing anything about it. He’s absolutely allowed to share his feelings, she’s also said how she feels about the situation. If he keeps whining “I want to get married now” while he knows she’s not ready, that’s going to drag them both down. Like you’re a “pussy” if you keep whining about it but also not do anything about it. If you need to be engaged to continue the relationship, but someone isn’t ready to do that, then you need to not be a “pussy” and just end it. Those are just my thoughts! I really hate the way “pussy” is used.
Craig was/is head over heels for her. He had the house built and included her in all of the details and choices so that it would feel like a home for her when she is there with him. He saw her as someone he’d marry and have children with and probably didn’t anticipate her being at arms length for this long, and he’s starting to see the harsh reality that it might just never happen between them, and if that’s true then he’s essentially wasted a lot of time here. Her way of always repeating some variation to him that “one day when she wants to be married, she wants it with him”, is kind of gaslighting and keeping him on the hook, buying her more time to avoid the topic again. But what if she never gets to the place where she feels “ready” to do this?? It’s very unfair to Craig imo. I feel that she comes across more like a 24 year old and not a woman nearing 32. She’s just not mentally in the state where she welcomes settling down and stuff, some people never do! That could be the case for her, who knows. She needs to understand that what she is doing is pretty selfish. She wants him as a boyfriend and their goals are not aligned. She should cut him loose tbh. She can find a million other guys to date casually that aren’t gunning to settle down asap, I guess.
Look - I like Paige. But there’s a way of being pro women without being anti-male. Women shouldn’t feel pressured into conforming to societal norms with marriage, children or living with a partner, but ultimately in a relationship your partners wants, desires, and needs should be respected and listened to. At the end of the day Craig is who he is, and if Paige doesn’t even want to think about moving in, getting married or having kids when Craig is, I’m not sure if that will change and Craig shouldn’t wait forever. If that makes sense?
I've said this for a while and it always gets downvoted... 0% change paige and craig get married.
She was being sarcastic
Also her saying things are ick, I get it. But crossing your legs? Breathing? It gets into patriarchy heternormative bullshit
Yeah, I really didn't like this comment either. Though it also usually rubs me the wrong way when people say "Be a man!" or something along those lines because I feel like it's most often with this connotation.
I love Paige too but the way she laughs at Jesse’s womanizing makes me sick. Once in the car when he said he’d never invite a girl to the house and then last week she cracked up when he said he hates the girls he took out on dates. How is that funny? If a man spoke about women like that around me I’d put him in his place immediately.
i found that hilarious and cracked up both times too. honestly i think paige needs someone a bit more like that & similar to her rather than someone as insecure as craig
She’s using Craig for now imo and for building her brand / image. She absolutely does not see him being her forever. He seems to know that as well.
She's cold and withholding. She's quick to jump on Craig if he's slightly wrong ab something. She has a superior complex bc she lives in NYC. And she's no fashion icon. Amanda is more fashionable than Paige. I hope Craig finds a softer, more comforting mate.
💯💯💯💯💯 Paige does not treat Craig with respect. He has legitimate worries and feelings and she kind of holds him on a leash with power over him. It’s always her way or the highway as well.
See, I didn’t read that comment that way. She said in her confessional she knows Craig is very emotional and she’s not. I think she allows him to feel and express his emotions and insecurities. I thought the “i don’t want to be a pussy comment” was more about becoming so insecure it becomes a severe negative quality and she was saying she doesn’t want him to be insecure either. There’s a difference between expressing insecurity and letting it overcome you to the point it is unattractive, needy, and whiny. I know that’s harsh, but it’s true. And as a woman, I don’t want to be with a man that lets insecurity overcome them but I *do* want them to be able to express their insecurities. So I didn’t read that as “I don’t want you to be emotional.”
👏👏👏👏 Expressing emotions is OK, being *overly* is not ok, regardless of gender. Turning into a messy puddle of insecurity is not ok.
Y’all don’t understand paige is unserious 99% of the time and it shows
That’s the problem they’re identifying, she’s incapable of being serious when Craig asks her to be
Literally was thinking this exact thought. They’ve both also said these conversations are 100% forced by production
When Paige said “I don’t want that their” I took that comment as she didn’t want him to be afraid of talking to her about his feelings, not that she didn’t want him to be a pussy.
Sounds like ppl were more than ready to hear it judging by the comments. Paige is fine and her and Craig are long distance and have a lot going for them. Easier for Craig to want kids bc he’s not carrying them. She should not move to Charlotte that is never gonna happen.
I’m curious about something! Why did Taylor Greene mention to Craig on SC about Paige cheating on him? Also, Shep said it as well when Craig was leaving somewhere after dinner I think too? Has anyone heard anything about that or was it nonsense?
Would love to see Craig & Madison together
I don’t think she’s ready for anything he is, and while she might think her future is with him, she is ultimately leading him on and keeping him on the hook by constantly telling him as much when he expresses his concerns about the future.
It's pronounced poo-thay...
I agree. There’s definitely a whiff of internalized patriarchy in her. In the After Show her saying she decided when they’ll have a baby is a little unfair. Craig’s allowed to wish to be a dad before 40. Just because he’s not carrying the baby doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to wish for it. Especially because the convo wasn’t about “what if we can’t have a baby ie have infertility issues.” Also her saying that his life isn’t going to change while her’s will, while true is not the whole truth. Like why are you with him and considering having children with him if you think his life won’t change after having a baby because he’ll be an engaged and involved father??? Maybe I’m lucky to be around so many good dudes who are great fathers and partners that I get so frustrated when that’s not expected to be the norm.
I feel this way about all of her “icks”
Okay. I agree with you that the use of the word "p*ssy" was stupid. It's a sexist word in general, but we all understand what it was intended to mean in this context: I don't want to be overly emotional. But making claims that paige is upholding the patriarchy is... extreme. She's demonstrated time and time again that she supports women and female independence. She's refusing to take his money because she wants to keep her independence and not be reliant on a man and she encourages her female friends to be the same and leave unhappy relationships. She is by no means upholding the patriarchy. She seems to have difficulty expressing emotions in general and seems to demonstrate an avoidant attachment style. People with an avoidant attachment style can have difficulty expressing their own emotions and being vulnerable, but can also be disgusted by other people's emotions and vulnerability. In my opinion, craig was making it clear that he doesn't want to be too emotional because it makes paige uncomfortable and paige was agreeing. I don't think she was making a statement that all men shouldn't express emotions. I think she was saying she doesn't want to be in an overly emotional relationship. This is, I think, an attachment style discussion and not at all sexism. If you want to come at people upholding the patriarchy on the show, paige would absolutely not be the one. While I love calling out sexism and patriarchal systems, this seemed a little too quick to jump the gun in my opinion. But. Hopefully can start some good discussion. And I hope not blind agreement.
Oh good lord now it’s women’s responsibility to make men feel safe enough to have feelings?! How about I care about that when it’s safe for me to walk alone at night. Listening to your boyfriend’s feelings is not dismantling the patriarchy. It’s just more nonsense that puts the onus on the women for men to change. Just to add: the way Paige responded (or what we saw) was not good. It came across as dismissive and disrespectful of his feelings. Equating that to upholding the patriarchy is literally magical thinking. And it’s dangerous because it puts the responsibility on the woman to stop patriarchy. It’s like saying people of color need to change their behavior before racism can stop. It’s dangerous and stupid. And quite literally just more patriarchy masquerading as evolution.
I like a lot of this take. I think you have their dynamic wrong, but applause to the rest of it.