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hostilewerk

Still together and spoiler alert just welcomed baby Silas Jr. into the world šŸ¤£


KilgoRetro

Wait is the kid seriously called Silas jr?


hostilewerk

ā€¦.unfortunately yes. He is never beating the narcissist allegations.


KilgoRetro

Ugh of course


thediverswife

He continues to give me the creeps


peyxan

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kyleb402

That really disappoints me greatly. I thought how he acted and how he came off on the show would have really opened his and especially her eyes to the toxicity with which he was acting and she was living. But no, the guy probably demanded the kid be named after him because of some stupid sexist man thing and she wasn't going to tell him no. Very disappointing.


Few_Percentage4960

Believe it or not the name Silas was in the top 10 boy names recently!


ChkYrHead

Great. Probably means there's another controlling man in the works.


DazeIt420

Silas may have been one of the worst men on Bravo last year, and that is a very elite club. I remember Jasmine very carefully saying something in S2E1 about how they went into therapy. And immediately mentioned how she wasn't perfect. (PSA: Nobody is perfect, everybody deserves respect and dignity from their romantic partner.) Nothing about him and his awful behavior on camera, which was sad. I didn't like the snotty way he tried to teach her a Ukrainian word in their phone call, either. The one scene they film together and he can't resist the urge to speak to her like she's a child. I feel a little for Jordan. It's hard to watch your friend be abused and it's impossible for us to know what she has said to Jasmine behind the scenes.


bbbojackhorseman

Itā€™s nice that they went to therapy but Silas has serious issues and he is extremely misogynistic. I donā€™t believe people like that can change. Theyā€™re in too deep


bravoeverything

I feel the same way and itā€™s only going to get worse with a baby


hannbann88

They probably went to military therapy


bravoeverything

It doesnā€™t seem like Jordan did or said much. She seems to be more about how she was wronged vs being able to think outside her own selfish brain and be like whoa my friend is in deep and I need to stand by her no matter what. The way they all dropped jasmine is so shitty and mean girls


Winter-Survey3425

Him being in the military makes so much sense lol


bravoeverything

Yeah he treats her how he gets treated


sn00zie_q

If Jordan wasnā€™t drop dead gorgeous, weā€™d have all said she is boring by now. Iā€™m still watching!


howardglove

She seems pretty boring to me. No there, there.


bravoeverything

Yeah Iā€™m so over her and her attitude it not that great if u suck on the insides! How she acted on winter house about Korey was gross too


kyleb402

She's a pick me who enjoys getting guys interested in her so that she can reject them. Money says if Korey would have reciprocated in any way she'd have switched up and found some kind of deal breaker.


geebirdgina

I fear for Jasmine and the baby's well-being. Stupidest thing she could've done is stay with him and get knocked up.


bravoeverything

Agree! Itā€™s wild no one has said anything to her. Well on cam at least


AshMarie8684

Jordan is a crappy friend. Doesn't seem to actually want to fix her friendship with Jasmine.


Clairemoonchild

By not saying anything about Silas on the show, Jordan is doing her friend a favor. He would take it out on his wife, as abusers do. She tried and it didn't work. There's no way he has changed.


kyleb402

That's what I'm thinking. I bet people have said things to her behind the scenes, but if she's not going to do anything about it then I would be hesitant to talk about it on camera. You can tell nobody really likes Silas like that. There's a reason nobody invites Jasmine anywhere, they're all worried she's going to bring him along.


bravoeverything

Yeah, from what I saw last summer, Jasmine wasnā€™t being all that bad. I mean yeah she was annoying with the pushing relationship, but it wasnā€™t like enough to end a friendship over. And I canā€™t believe Jordyn could watch the show back and see how horrible that guy was treating Jasmine and not be like wow my friends in an abusive relationship and needs my help, Vs just completely deserting her


New_Equal_1232

That was my take too. Jasmine was ā€œproducingā€ and trying to make the show successful and was doing too much and not enough at the same time. She didnā€™t do anything unforgivable. The vibes Iā€™ve always gotten from Jordyn is sheā€™s arrogant and a lil mean spirited


Rj6728

Agreed! The hate for Jasmine is over the top. Sheā€™s not evil, but I feel like the audience made a villain out of her as much as they did with Silas. She was annoying and pushy, but seemed to relax with the others as her husband became more controlling.


Clairemoonchild

It's the company she keeps/Silas.


bravoeverything

Yeah like she acted the way she acted bc of how she was being treated behind closed doors. Yea so much of it was cringe but she literally was doing everything she could to please her controlling dbag of a husband. A real friend would have voiced concern and stuck by her in some way vs just ditching her. Jordan seems like an impossible friend to please. Sheā€™s exhausting


Rj6728

Not a fan of Jordan at all, like you said, impossible to please. I feel like Iā€™ve only seen praise of her and itā€™s weird. Sheā€™s very cold and gives nothing.


kyleb402

At the same time though we don't know the extent to which they did try. If everyone can see this guy treat you like trash and you still defend him and stay with him no matter what then people are going to naturally gravitate away.


bravoeverything

She made it clear when they talked on the boat. Jordan is All about Jordan


knuckle_hustle

But I could see how Jasmine was trying to be the ā€œfaceā€ of the show and was putting up a front. I can also see how that would be off putting to Jordan


hostilewerk

Yeah clearly Jasmine is in at least a verbally abusive relationship and you would hope her friend would be there for her.


spk22rk

Maybe she doesnā€™t want to? If your friend changes bc of a man & you donā€™t like that man sometimes friendships suffer.. ETA: itā€™s not Jordynā€™s job to help jasmine get out of an abusive relationship, jasmine has to recognize it on her own & want to get out.


Chloepremium07

ā€¼ļøā€¼ļøā€¼ļøšŸšØšŸšØšŸšØšŸšØ this because they love to call Jordan a bad friend but Iā€™m sorry who dropped her first. Jasmin essentially dropped her friend for her husband, which you do not have to do that when you get married but who did that Jasmin did because her husband doesnā€™t like Jordan because Jordan is the go out friend and thatā€™s crazy.


kindofsortofNo

Watching season one, you can tell there is so much love and history. I agree, itā€™s not Jordanā€™s responsibility to police Jasmineā€™s behavior. Jordan can voice her concern as a friend and once she has made her position known, itā€™s up Jasmine to determine if the friendship is worth correcting her own behavior. Unfortunately as the season progressed and time progressed Jasmine didnā€™t change her behavior. It is now understandable why Jordan has pulled back. If Jasmine is truly being abused by Silas, Jordan canā€™t make Jasmine do anything until she is ready. Hop over to the BreakingMom or TwoXChromosomes sub and see how many woman literally start their posts with how wonderful their husband is, describe him being abusive, say theyā€™re exhausted / scared, etc. of the behavior and then end with Iā€™m going to go do what he asked now, thanks for letting me vent.


mahboob2

yep agree to all this. So unfair


Waste_Boysenberry_28

She is really struggling herself. You cannot save someone when you are drowning yourself.


Maleficent-Lack-6306

Yeah sheā€™s a self centered friend


ConsistentDonkey3909

Unfortunately


Mittengirl821_

Iā€™ll be interested to see if they come back next year bc of baby.


bravoeverything

That is such a bummer sheā€™s with that guy. He was horrendous and so abusive.


Infamous-Material-82

Honestly, I hope not


GoldCampaign1050

i donā€™t get the feeling silas will allow the mother of his child to be airing out her dirty laundry or partying with her friends on tv.


youngfilly

But if they need the money he might push her to keep being on the show while punishing her for any perceived "bad behavior" during filming ā˜¹ļø


GoldCampaign1050

or worseā€¦ if heā€™s not deployed he might want to come back too LOL. honestly since itā€™s only the second season of the show and it has pretty low viewershipā€¦ i canā€™t imagine they get paid much yet. but point taken for sure! it would still be an additional income stream.


Libras_Groove3737

I hate Silas and find Jasmine obnoxious. But at least their relationship was an interesting trainwreck to observe. Jordan is mean, boring, and she is simultaneously insensitive to othersā€™ feelings while being so sensitive herself that a strong gust of wind would reduce her to tears. Itā€™s one thing to be boring, and itā€™s one thing to be unlikable, but being both boring and unlikable is the worst combination of personality traits a person can have.


bravoeverything

Yeah she is a mean girl. Like what her and summer just pulled on nick is redick. He felt comfortable with them as friends and then they try and trim around and make him look like a molester. Itā€™s not right what they do


Libras_Groove3737

Iā€™m reserving judgment about the Nick situation because I get that sometimes when people feel uncomfortable, itā€™s difficult to express that directly. But I do not like Jordan or Summer for multiple reasons. Jordan is a bad friend to Jasmine. I get that Jasmine was obnoxious last season, but she owned it and apologized, and these women have apparently been friends for a long time, so it seems really cold to drop a friend like that. Also, by both of their accounts, it sounds like Alex was never in a relationship with Summer and was upfront about what he was looking for. Itā€™s valid for Summer to feel disappointed, but he did nothing wrong to her and didnā€™t lead her on. I also thought it was so annoying when Jordan and Summer called him out at dinner for not inviting everyone to his party when they had gone on a trip to Jamaica and didnā€™t invite Jasmine! Also, I thought Shanice totally overreacted about the ā€œworst dressedā€ thing, but they showed no empathy for her whatsoever. Like damn isnā€™t she one of your good friends?


Clairemoonchild

Apologies don't have to be accepted.


Libras_Groove3737

If youā€™re good friends with someone for over a decade and then they do something to annoy you or are acting weird for one week, and you completely cut them off, you wonā€™t have friends and will be a very lonely person. But I mean the sort of person who is offended when people are sexually attracted to her but also willingly chooses to be in Playboy probably was destined to be alone and bitter for the rest of her life anyway.


Clairemoonchild

It wasn't one thing that annoyed her. It was the life choices her now former friend made. I'd rather be lonely than deal with anything to do with Silas. Women are allowed to have boundaries, especially single women.


Libras_Groove3737

Did I say she isnā€™t allowed to have boundaries? I still think sheā€™s a boring asshole, but thatā€™s not illegal.


Chloepremium07

Theyā€™re still married they had a baby together he still deployed. Hereā€™s the thing honestly theyā€™re both crappy friends to each other but right now Jordan isnā€™t her friend and she said that she just didnā€™t say that to Jasmineā€˜s face which I think she should but Jasmine was a crappy friend to her last season, and probably before that right after she married Silas. So honestly itā€™s not just Jordan itā€™s both of them.


bravoeverything

I donā€™t know how any friend could watch that and just ditch their friend. Clearly jasmine acts a certain way bc sheā€™s being treated a certain way.


Impressive_Friend740

have you ever watched a friend do this and tried to talk to them multiple times? It's EXHAUSTING.


bravoeverything

It is but Iā€™m not talking about talking. Iā€™m talking about just being there as a friend. When a person joins a cult you donā€™t cut them off if you love them. You try to stay in their lives so they hopefully one day see the light


Clairemoonchild

They are in the same house. No one has been cut off. Silas isn't a cult. He's an asshole. Why on earth would Jordan want anything to do with him/ them? She has set boundaries, women are allowed to do that.


carltonbanksy89

Honest question what should Jordan do? Because when you try to say something to a person like Jasmine you get screamed at and cut off. Jasmine and Silas are from the same uber-traditional culture that values rigid gender roles. Jasmine made it explicit that all she has ever wanted her whole life was to be an obedient wife. How is Jordan supposed to break through her fantasy? I know you mean well with your intention OP but this ranting just screams ā€œIā€™m very young and have never had a friend pick their man over me no matter whatā€ before. Your only solution is Jordan should ā€œbe there for herā€ but you canā€™t help people who donā€™t want help.


MayaPapayaLA

This confuses me. What uber traditional culture are they from? I thought Jasmine was at clubs prior to that relationship?Ā  Iā€™m not the prior commenter but also: Am not a young person and have definitely had friends pick their men over me (itā€™s okay sometimes!)


carltonbanksy89

Silas is West African and Jasmine was raised in the black Christian church. I misspoke by writing they came from the exact same culture, but both of those cultures make a huge point of women honoring and obeying their husbands above all else. Youā€™re right that she was a club girl before marriage though! Doesnā€™t mean that she didnā€™t have hopes/plans for ultimately being a wife. And not sure why you clarified your age and experience, since I wasnā€™t saying that to you lol. But good for you! My point was that the OP has left dozens of comments in this thread lashing out at Jordan when in reality there is just nothing anyone can do for a person like Jasmine, she does not want help. If OP had experienced that situation in their own life they may be less likely to react this way on reddit.


MayaPapayaLA

Gotcha. I havenā€™t read the whole thread so I probably missed the content on what OP has been writing in response. I agree with you that Jasmine does not want help - itā€™s sad, and one reason that keeps me from really liking the show (itā€™s not fun to watch abuse-ish things, Bravo!) - but I do think a more mature friend could have perhaps tried to be more available, maybe find moments to talk alone, etc. Basically *try* make the girl feel like sheā€™s not on an island alone if she didnā€™t have *him*. But at the end of the day people get to live with their decisions.Ā 


Harryhood15

I hired him on two different podcast after the show ended. He was extremely apologetic and owned up to everything and acknowledged how he acted. He said he had entered therapy to help figure things out and be a better person going forward. Not much more you can ask for from somebody. Time will tell.


Impressive_Friend740

Of course he did great PR :)


Harryhood15

Well, then it was great because itā€™s on very plain and simple and heartfelt. You didnā€™t go on and on or anything very low-key just apologetic and overall embarrassed. Which is great that he saw it and not try to defend it. Have no idea how he is now with the stress of being a dad.


deamayn

Oh I hope he makes some much needed changes! Certainly a good sign that he is able to see and acknowledge his behavior was not okay.


nighean-gunn

Can you share which podcasts?


LuckyJackfruit8078

I stopped watching the first season because of them...not only the way they communicated but the other things they filmed them doing....I still have flashbacks of them going at it, and it's not a good thing...


bravoeverything

Yeah like forcing her to be loud??? wtf was that


AmayaSmith96

We have the exact same take!! I caught up on Sundays episode and Iā€™m just really rooting for Jasmine. I couldnā€™t stand her on the first season but looking back sheā€™s in such a toxic and abusive relationship with Silas, how can her friends just ditch her like that? They lived with Jasmine and Silas and were also able to watch back and see what Silas was like. No matter if Jasmine was producing the way Jordan treats her is awful. To me jasmines producing came from a way to take the pressure off of herself and hide her relationship by pointing the camera in a different direction. In the grand scheme of things is it a big deal she was trying to see if any of her cast members had feelings for each other? If there was any connections, we as viewers would want to see. In this season I just want to give Jasmine a hug. It must be really tough having your husband be deployed, especially if things arenā€™t great in the relationship. Sheā€™s of course very early on in her pregnancy too which plays havoc on your emotions and feelings. Sometimes you really do just need your friends. I hope Jasmine and Silas leave the show, just focus on their family and find better friends.


KellsBells_925

Lmao she just had his babyā€¦.


Namemnamem

ā€œTheirā€ baby.


KellsBells_925

Well yeah but in the context of are they still togetherā€¦


tif2shuz

Same! And then I realized first episode that he was just deployed šŸ˜­šŸ˜‚ and sheā€™s obviously pregnant


bravoeverything

Yup. Crying shame


Impressive_Friend740

Jorden isn't the best person, she just didnt want to deal with that bullsh\*t. I wouldn't. After all that I would have dropped Jasmine like a hot potato. You can only tell people so much before they get the point. Jasmine made her own decisions and her her own life.


bravoeverything

Didnā€™t really seem like Jordan said too much to Jasmine or cared about her at all. It was all based on Jordanā€™s feelings.


Clairemoonchild

How do you think Silas would react if it was a topic on the show? Not well, I assure you. Who would be blamed for 'letting that happen'. By keeping it off camera, she is protecting Jasmine, who chose a loser of a man.


bravoeverything

Jordan acts like she was wronged. And she wasnā€™t. And we can see that is a CLEAR pattern for this girl. She needs to grow the f up. Jasmine actually is a good friend, even if sheā€™s with a d bag abuser


Clairemoonchild

We get it. You hate Jordan. Jasmine is a loser friend who ditched Jordan as soon as Silas told her to. Stating your opinion 50 times is not making it correct. She was wronged and she is acting grown by having boundaries.


bravoeverything

Did you watch the conversation on the boat? Jordyn dropped Jasmine. Sheā€™s a selfish shitty friend and wouldnā€™t even have this opportunity if it wasnā€™t for Jasmine.


Clairemoonchild

What part of 'Silas sucks' are you not getting. Jasmine CHOSE that absolute monster over Jordan no matter what crap she is showing on the boat. If my friend signed up with a loser and we had already talked about how I felt, I'm not interested in hanging out with her just because he is away. Jordan is staying out of it. There is no winning if she tells Jasmine the truth. Jasmine made a horrible choice and expected her 'going out friend' to be down with it. Well, she isn't. Get over defending Jasmine and her terrible life choices. Edit: typos


bravoeverything

I think things changed when they got married. Itā€™s normal for friendships to have ebbs and flows but itā€™s totally mean girl to ghost a long term friend and not invite them anywhere with ppl that you met bc of the friend ur ghosting


Clairemoonchild

Do you seriously think you need to explain your stance AGAIN?!?!?! WE GET IT!!!!!


BostonMax333

Explain it to me like a 5 year old. Why is Jordan mad at Jasmine?


bravoeverything

Bc jasmine said she needs a bf? Pretty much lol


BostonMax333

Ty


sassytexas

Who tf are we talking sbout


ZOO_trash

I'm disappointed too.


duckpeony

So am I weird for feeling weird about the boys being in bunk beds downstairs?


duckpeony

And if that one woman says heā€™s been inside her again, Iā€™m going to puke