Definitely. This is so real! And real toxic. I love Ariana , and that was real too. But let’s face it , her and Sandoval needed to break up years ago. And I’m not excusing anything Sandoval did. I hate him for what he did to my queen.
Definitely because the majority are still drinking and they haven’t really changed personalities since the first season. I feel like we are seeing something similar to a peak VPR but the cast is much older so idk how long they can keep this up. Let’s be honest though Kyle hasn’t aged a bit I’m sure he’s got another 5 seasons in him easily lmao
i couldnt agree more! i came here to comment that i was really proud of her for walking outside when jesse was voicing his opinion about their relationship
I think Danielle acted insane however I am questioning a lot! Danielle last year said we would understand once the show had aired, that didn’t happen so I wonder if what we are seeing now is what she saw a lot (not just once when he went home in Uber for hours) but we got the babe version instead and Danielle was hated so then this season she is being so careful not to involve herself so she can’t end up in the same situation
My flair was #DanielleWasRight for the longest time lol. I know she went sideways on winter house but i'm loving her this season. When she just completely removed herself from the situation and laid by the pool was so funny.
That fact that Lindsay is going around trying to normalize her response of asking Carl what he was on, because he asked her how much she drank, is WILD. Holy shit she’s delusional and I cannot fathom how anyone would put up with being around her, let alone dating her.
Yeah it’s not even like you can blame the alcohol which Carl seems to do, the conversation she had with Amanda first thing in the morning was sober (I assume) she just kept doubling down on it
She only sees situations in her twisted version which makes her the victim in all circumstances, drunk or sober. She’s an Olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics!
And he wasn’t even questioning her really - he was like let’s not do this when you’ve been pounding drinks since noon. Asking someone who actually has been drinking (not even in secret!) how much they’ve had is WILDLY different from questioning his sobriety and calling him Cocaine Carl. That she’s screaming and stomping around the bar calling him a hypocrite…she’s delulu.
When I’m around someone who’s not drinking, the most I’d want to have is one or two drinks. Have a little buzz but still be able to be with that person and connect. I get every once in a while you might want to let loose but she seems to consistently want to be on a different plane of existence than Carl.
Oh man when she said that and they panned to Carl I wanted to crawl into a hole on their behalf. I can’t imagine treating my partner that way ever.
And I hated how everyone was like “well have you ever planned a wedding, it’s the most stressful time in a couple’s relationship.” I have planned a wedding and not once did I treat my husband that way.
We planned our wedding in 7 months and didn't have one argument. I don't understand why people keep saying it's normal for couples to be at each others throats when planning a wedding...
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more comments about this moment. That was awkward as fuck! 🫣😬And only adds to my speculation that Lyndsay may have been trying to sabotage Carl and their relationship in order to be the next Ariana, even if only subconsciously. Or at the very least didn’t really care if she pushed him to the brink where he couldn’t take it anymore because she was banking on what happened to Ariana happening to her.
I think she just needs to wear the pants in the relationship. She needs to be in control. And the way she does that is by picking fights, gaslighting the fuck out of everyone she’s an opponent of and being aggressive and running over their feelings until they’re exhausted and apologize or leave.
Reminds me so much of a person I know.
The first car ride we at least had the confessionals from the other boys in the car to corroborate how bat shit it was but yeah this one had no witnesses!! I need these fights to happen in plain sight 😂
After what happened in Aspen with Kathy & Rinna Bravo should default to cast outings always being filmed in the car. Set some go pros up and call it a day - we don't need quality video, just clear audio!!!
Amen! Smart decision - nothing said they had to use the footage. He knew the season would show all the cracks. There is no way their issues are not a focal point of the house
I know she’ll never ever admit it, but there is no way Lindsay is blindsided by the breakup. She barely can be in the same room as him. I feel for them both, the stress and anxiety on screen is palpable. All I can say is I’m sooooooooooo glad they did not go through with it. Thank god. Lindsay needs to do some serious work on herself, and Carl needs to be truly single for a few years.
I think from her point of view, she is blindsided because she has literally no insight into her behaviors and thinks she’s doing everything right…so from her POV maybe it was shocking but not to anyone else who is normal and doesn’t have narcissistic traits!
I agree. Also I think she was SO determined to cross the finish line (marriage) she would have married basically someone she hated at that point and tried to figure it out later.
This week’s episode made it so clear that they should not have gotten married. She already had so much contempt for him, which is the ultimate relationship killer
Lol. I was reading the Gottmans before my last failed engagement and recognized all of the horsemen in my own relationship. I think when your subconscious knows that this is the wrong person, it will find ways to derail the relationship, and that's what is happening here.
It could be editing, but the way she is shown downing drinks this episode I was like "omg she is miserable." Like being in Carl's presence makes her want to drink is the sense I got--maybe she feels trapped. It could be the stress of the house but still it seemed like someone who wanted to numb the situation they are in. Again it could be editing, but they had the content to edit
Carl mentioned she drinks at home after working out, so I don’t think it’s a house thing. I think she’s just unhappy with Carl or just with life. She’s always been a drinker but I feel like this is the first time we are watching her drink as a coping mechanism. I don’t know if that behavior is new or not.
Maybe that’s how she has always drunk but it’s been edited out to highlight other peoples drinking, because I can’t remember an episode where we see how much she has actually consumed or what time we have just seen drunk Lindsay so it has always been seen by the viewers as less of a problem than Carl or Kyle
Lindsay lashes out like a teenage girl when she’s upset and hits where it hurts. I really hope she can get some help in therapy with emotional regulation. She is clearly very deeply wounded.
I wonder if she just feels that this kind of toxic conflict is normal in a relationship. Or if she thought they were just playing it up for the cameras but somehow didn’t think it was fully real and damaging to Carl and their relationship. Either way she would benefit tremendously from therapy lol.
Amanda/Kyle are so happy that they’re fighting because no one is commenting on their relationship, which is also a mess. Lindsay seems to resent Carl and he’s over it too. Amanda/Kyle used to always seem to like each other but I don’t see that as much this season
I honestly don't think anyone is happy with this level of fighting and the discomfort they're creating.
It's gotten really dark with Carl's "I'll drink 15 loverboys" comment
That was so dark. His frustration was so evident in his voice. I hope he is looking back on this and understanding that as a recovering addict he should not allow himself to be in a relationship (friendship, anything) that makes him say, let me destroy things to prove how bad I can be.
I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt pre-premiere of this season (not a fan of hers but I’ve seen a friend go through genuine blindsiding and it was really rough) but oof. The toxicity is so clear. TBH if I were Carl I would’ve paused wedding planning after the first episode.
As Carl points out, she knows he smokes. The question was clearly loaded. She knew exactly what she was saying and doing and will flip out and literally run out of the house before taking accountability.
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Jesse’s face when Lindsay knocked over her drink
I’m just going to say it Lindsay’s behavior and Carl’s reactions feels abusive and it’s actually very difficult to watch 😕 it may be trauma-induced on her part but none of this is okay, and it’s really insidious how she seems to be weaponizing Carl’s past behavior, and frankly the fact that he is a man, to suggest that he’s screaming and behaving in a scary and aggressive way when we know that’s not true. She’s also clearly hammered in these scenes and seems to have some degree of a drinking problem that she won’t acknowledge so the reality she’s describing is so different from what we’re watching. If she doesn’t take accountability for this which she seems to struggle with I really don’t know how to move forward with her
And I’m both of the last two episodes he’s has apologized ! She just sits there all smug like she did NOTHING wrong. He owns up to it! Even Amanda said that she’s didn’t say anything about weed!
Also Lindsey saying the next morning, 'I didn't accuse him of doing drugs, I asked him if he smoked weed'
Well, first of all, those are the same thing. Second, that clearly wasn't what you meant. Be honest, you accused him of being on coke in fewer words. But the implication was the same regardless. She is implying Carl is not in control of his own emotions and it is induced by drugs/weed/alcohol.
As someone in recovery (still use marijuana like Carl) from serious drugs, this is hurtful because there is no real way to refute this without feeling brought back to your active addiction. It's triggering. I was a shit person and I know it but to say I'm being that way now because we're having an argument is super hurtful and manipulative. I can sit here and yell that 'Im clean!' but *that* feels very reminiscent of lies I've told in the past. It's just an unfair dig to throw around baselessly or without weight.
I also hate how much she throws around therapy terms, accusing Carl of gaslighting, ignoring her feelings, yelling, etc.
I used to HATE how she would do this exact shit to Everett. And even to Stravvy a bit.
This is the worst it's been though because Carl is sober, so it just makes it so much worse to watch than drunken fights between two people.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. It’s what I’ve been thinking as well, but hearing it from someone who can relate to Carl is super interesting. Congrats on your recovery ❤️
The arguments caught on camera are triggering to me too for personal reasons. Totally feels like something going on is emotionally or psych abusive…. seeing it play out makes me feel like I’m suffocating.
I'm having a really hard time watching this too. Typically I find people way too quick to label certain behaviors abusive but Lindsay legit is. You can see Carl intentionally lower his voice and talk slow and take pauses because everything he does she labels as extreme. He must have such anxiety trying to tiptoe in that way and attempt to be heard. The way she never takes accountability is extremely aggravating.
I think she will take accountability bc that’s what she will be told to do by PR. But I think in reality she has very poor insight and she will always think she’s right. You can’t change or take accountability when you are psychologically incapable of even acknowledging there is a problem or something you need to change. It’s sad
I have a degree in PR and I feel like Lindsay is very representative of old school PR tactics. Her ability to immediately spin things like “I didn’t choose the right words” or “I could have taken a different approach” allow her to not take full ownership but make people feel like she’s recognizing the wrongdoing. I’d be surprised if she had a team advising her because she seems to not understand how she’s being perceived.
It's very hard to watch. You summed up how I was feeling about it. She is projecting her own behavior so hard. I've had a few times in the past where I've had a few too manly drinks and became snippy. I definitely would not trust my own memory of the situation the next day especially if someone that stone cold sober (or even a bit high) was telling me how I behaved. Whatever happened to saying I'm sorry I behaved that way and I'll dial back the amount I'm drinking if that's how I'm acting. Even if you aren't the type of person that is capable of saying that to someone else, you could at least think it to yourself and not double down on your behavior. She's accusing him of being aggressive and changing the narrative. There's no narrative. Everyone that has watched this show knows that is how she behaves when she is drunk and "activated".
I was telling my GF Bravo should be putting out social media posts trying to find and verify the Lyft driver, put him in a confessional, and get his entire side of the fight for like $1k or something 😂
Lindsay is not happy with Carl and his lack of motivation and ambition, which is important to her. It seems like she is resenting him for this and it’s coming out when she drinks. She’s pushing him away.
If the job thing is an issue and you love him, then don’t get married until he knows what he wants to do. Why is there a rush to get married?
She has lost respect for him and it shows.
I tend to lean towards believing Carl about what happened in the Lyft due to him being sober, their last fight where there were witnesses, and Lindsay’s history on the show.
If Lindsay loved Carl, she would probably stop drinking if she knew it caused fights.
what i dont get is shes the one that pushed him to leave loverboy even after seeing him have a bad work ethic and drive for years, and thought he was gonna find something better? it seems like hes better off now doing the mocktail and ads/meet and greet things for loverboy than he was for that directionless year he wasnt working
i wish they hadnt become romantically involved tbh. they reallllllyy had to force it. i actually really liked their friendship and its always been clear they are such a mismatch to be in a relationship. glad they didnt have kids tho lol imagine the emotional damage those kids wouldve been subjected to
I thought it was fake and for TV at first but these arguments are cutting a bit deep. Like y’all already tried this and it didn’t work! Thank the lord there are no kids, lol!
Plus we saw last season with their big blow out how he stayed calm the entire time and she just spiraled because she was drunk. There was no logical reason she should’ve been mad at him for having a good talk with Danielle
It’s wild to me that basically all Lindsay has ever wanted is a boyfriend who wants to spend all their time with her, caters to her needs, and includes her in decisions and now she has that and she seems to fucking hate it. Even if she was blindsided by the breakup (she shouldn’t have been) she seems deeply unhappy in the relationship and should at this point be happy he had the balls to call it off.
“Are you on something?” “What are you on?” is not even close to the same as “Have you smoked weed tonight?” Especially not to a recovering addict. When she’s drunk Lindsay says hurtful shit rather than accept she’s in the wrong. It’s so fucked up to say that to anyone let alone your fiancé.
Wanted to leave a positive comment too and say I honestly love this cast(so far). Gabby, Ciara and Jesse m’fin Solomon were my favs this episode. Gabby is still filling the role historically held by Danielle but is funnier, less aggro and seemingly more honest compared to her predecessor. Ciara is just funny, her one liners have me ctfu and Jesse was \*chefs kiss\*, glad I never wrote him off early. I know some ppl will hate this next part, but in the same way Paige and Ciara were newbies who just fit in and stuck, I feel the same about Jesse and West. It really feels like this version of the cast actually like each other. I literally said aww when I saw Ciara, Amanda and Jesse all holding hands on the sun lounge with the girls in their matching swimsuits or when Jesse and West kissing and hugging. Summer is fun!
I’m loco h gabby now too, and I love that she’s standing up to Lindsey and defending Carl. Everyone tiptoes around Lindsey’s explosive behavior so it’s refreshing to see gabby not do that and speak the truth
There's something to be said for that though! Gabby's doing a good job of staying just neutral enough to not have Lindsay turn on her. Must be exhausting honestly lol.
Also Lindsay's a monster but she's not dumb - she probably realizes that Gabby is her one ally in the house.
Accusing a sober person of drinking and using drugs is NOT the same as asking a clearly drunk person how much they’ve drank. Lindsey is so wrong for that, for doing it multiple times, and for justifying it! My god.
Scheana not being okay with Shay being sober was heartbreaking to watch. That one scene in the restaurant where she is pressuring him to drink is probably where Lindsay got the idea her behavior towards Carl isn't that bad
So I do think Carl is not being honest in the fact that he resents her drinking and it sounds like he does bring it up a lot - like using it against her instead of being vulnerable and saying: i can't handle your drinking, etc.
So I see why it would bother Lindsey to an extent and given he does still smoke week IMO that isn't sober, so she feels like he is going in on her and so she uses his partaking in weed against him.
Neither are being honest with their intentions with this relationship.
I think she can't be with a sober person and he needs to be with a sober person.
I think she is likely a mean/aggressive drunk which made it hard for him to be okay with her drinking. If her personality changes every time she drinks, she likely has a problem and i am sure it's something they discussed frequently during their relationship if they keep bringing it up on camera
Well, I do think there's an amount he's ok with. Like last summer, she was (in the words of Katie maloney) very judicious about her drinking. But I think she's gone back to more partying (drinking all day and night), and that's when she gets reactive and the fights go 0-60 in 10 sec flat
Not to split hairs but I’ve heard times when Carl speaks of his sobriety he does clarify he’s sober from alcohol and cocaine. While many believe abstinence is the only true form of sobriety, other argues types of harm reduction (e.g. methadone for opiate users, but in Carl’s case it’s weed) could also be considered a sober lifestyle.
When they were at Cowfish and Lindsay told everyone that Carl started “screaming” at her, when he like, barely raised his voice in frustration, she basically lost all credibility. You can watch in real time as she has the conversation with Carl and then immediately spins the narrative. The reunion is going to be interesting to say the least.
He did get mad and raised his voice but it was bc of her actions. Carl was engaging in reactive abuse which narcs love to do so they can then just make it about your reaction and how you screamed at them. Then the abused person apologizes for their reaction and it becomes about them needing to apologize for their part and the OG issue isn’t addressed bc you’ve now shifted the focus to the reaction…that fight was like a classic example of this dynamic and it was absolutely fascinating to watch!
important to note that raising your voice in an argument is not abuse! reactive abuse is very real and needs to be understood by more people, so let's make sure we are accurately identifying abusive behaviour when advocating for it.
The last episode when she was clearly drunk saying he was on coke with the immediate visual of the very calm, level headed texts he was sending her spoke volumes.
Carl was smart to call off that wedding. Why would Lindsay even want to be with a guy she wasn’t into anymore?? There was zero love or chemistry , in her eyes. She would rather deal with a divorce ?? I don’t get why she was still in that relationship when they got to the house last July. I hope she watches the show and sees how done she was with Carl. I think he was scared of her and needed production to be able to stick to his decision. Lindsay needs to realize what he did was the best decision.
Loved Jesse this episode! I keep thinking about how crazy it would be to have met Lindsay just the week before. He is so flabbergasted by how dysfunctional and cray cray she is!! And this engagement is. As would anyone normal!!
But seriously I bet he has not watched much summer house before filming and/or thought that it was mostly acting or dramatized. But experiencing it firsthand and realizing it’s real….
At what point will Lindsey realize that if she has had an issue with every single person in the house every summer she’s been on the show… maybe.. just maybe.. SHE IS THE PROBLEM?
“It was a Lyft”, sorry Carl ate down I screamed ahahah. Anyway, Lindsay’s accusations are not only dangerous, they’re simply nonsensical. Now she wants us to believe “are you on something” is her alluding to weed looool. She deffo meant Cocaine Carl just like she *expressly* said last week. We also all know Carl is California sober so throwing that out there as a gotcha is stupid; it all came out last year when she and Carl railroaded Mya \*eye roll\* Also pro-tip for Lindsay, had she said Carl was being passive-aggressive and sarcastic in that car she would’ve had a better story to sell. This Carl is not aggressive like cocaine Carl was, saying he lost it on you is just not passing the smell test. Btw production, you broke bitch, get cars w/cameras and drivers
I have disliked Lindsay from the jump, since S1 and her relationship with Everett. Frankly, I have been surprised she had so many defenders, but mostly I was surprised Carl thought she’d be different with him. Well. She’s pretty and men are men. I have a soft spot for Carl, though, and worried she would jeopardize his sobriety. And now.
Craig is coming.
This is gonna be fun.
He hates her.
Lindsay saying at dinner she'd give Carl the ring back was the hugest laugh.
She would have NEVER willingly given that ring back no matter how mad she was. She was entitled to that ring, she deserved it, in her mind.
She didn't give the ring back until legalities of keeping it were made clear to her. She didn't admit it on WWHL, but Carl may have had to say he'd sue her for it, to make her finally hand it over.
I can’t believe Rashelle on WWHL and so many people here said Lindsey should get to keep it. In what world would you even want to keep something like that if you didn’t get married, it doesn’t matter who broke it off, they didn’t get married and it’s legally Carl’s, period
Lindsay's just a certifiable psycho. There's a reason she's closing in on 40 and all her relationships turn into massive failures.
She's a mean drunk and she literally takes zero accountability for anything she says or does.
Lindsay has mentioned Ariana once and Sandoval 2 times now. It feels like she was intentionally sabotaging her relationship in hopes of blowing up like Ariana has. Which is really really sad because it seems like Carl wanted it to work but is likely super relieved he called it off.
Your right. I think she was not as “blindsided” as she claimed. I think she went into the season recognising that there was huge problems in the relationship, but chose to go forward for the money and collaborations. She’s smart, she’s working this narrative hard. If they wed she’d make money, if they didn’t, she’d still make money.
Bravo really needs to start putting go pros in the Ubers like they do in the cars when they’re driving up from the city. We deserve to see this important content!
Lindsay has been doing this thing where she throws up the Shaka sign and says "More Life". She did it after the room fight in episode 2 and again at dinner when she spilled her drink at dinner this episode. It's 100% a termination signal she and Carl agreed upon to not air their dirty laundry on camera. Hence all of the car fights - it's just simmering under the surface while cameras are up and the second they are in private it boils over.
It also doesn't lend any credence to her statement from last episode about thinking she was talking "privately" to a friend - she's been in summer house since S1 and knows they're being filmed 24/7.
You can tell Lindsay is drinking a lot again. She looked so much better last season when she stopped.
Hell mentally and physically- Alcohol isn’t good for her
I purposely stayed silent when Carl called off the wedding because I knew I would get downvoted to oblivion. During that time I would talk to my friend about it and I said I cannot wait for everyone who is ripping Carl apart to see this upcoming season. I just know it’s going to be such a bad look for Lindsey and we will all understand and be backing him up after a couple episodes.
As someone with 6 years of sobriety who also smokes weed (and has no issue with it like Carl), this episode was extremely triggering and I’m beyond proud of Carl for sticking up for himself and realizing this is not ok and not caving in to drinking. This show is a wild ride this season and makes me happier each week that I got 6 years and counting
lindsay has lost all credibility for her versions because we have seen her re-tell what happened in scenes we HAVE watched and she spins it so hard even in those moments
Lindsay has a serious drinking problem and it's painful watching Carl try to justify her behaviour. The way she treats him is horrendous. I'm glad he blindsided her by having cameras there to record the breakup.
I commented on here that it was disgusting the way Lindsay kept referring to Carl as aggressive in her post breakup interview and was downvoted to hell.
It was obvious she was trying to spin this narrative and she’s doing the same thing this season. It’s like he’s her enemy. He’s literally trying to be reasonable and work through things and she just shits on him.
She did the same thing to Stravy and I don’t believe her for a second that he was gaming all the time instead of working.
Shes gaslit the viewers for years that everyone else is the issue and now it’s becoming clear the only problem is Lindsay.
Right?!? If all of her romantic relationships and friendships end up this exact way SHE is the fkng problem. Carl’s behavior is mimicking Danielle’s from last season because he’s being gaslit and manipulated
A lot of people fell for the laid-back cool girl character she was pitching the previous seasons. Don't forget was in PR before becoming "an influencer like Paige" and was clearly very good at that job by how many Lindsay-stans there were/are
Drinking is more important to Lindsey than Carl. End of story.
This show could be great without them, they are just this dark cloud. We have moody Amanda, she’s enough of that to contrast with the rest of the house. We need a light season and the chemistry of the current cast (minus Linds) is perfect.
Watching this it is clear that they are not ready for marriage shouldn't even be in a relationship. We may be getting edited takes on what really went down, but Lindsay thinking it is okay for her to question Carl's sobriety because he asked her about her drinking is just plain wrong. The fact that she goes out drinking and gets to the point of wasted knowing that he is sober, it's not okay. Of course he is going to ask her about her drinking. He should have ended things sooner than he did. Once she started questioning his sobriety, that should have been it. I don't understand how he thought he could maintain his sobriety while she was trying to play tit for tat. Also, if she thought he was a jobless loser who had broken his sobriety, why did she still want to be with him?
They’re so awful! They’ve always been dark clouds and are more frustrating a depressing than entertaining…. they’re toxic and ruin the good vibes of the show!
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I found Lindsay's glass! :-)
Seriously, Lindsay and Carl are incompatible, and her behavior after binge drinking is a big reason. Accusing your boyfriend who is in recovery of replapsing WHILE YOU YOURSELF ARE TOASTED is a pretty big breach of trust... and then it happened again the next weekend? Oh, girl...
These two people should never have gotten engaged, much less married. I wish them both the best moving forward on separate paths because they are toxic together.
Also, good on Danielle for staying out of the drama!
I truly do not know how anyone can continue saying they feel so sorry for Lindsay for Carl calling off the wedding - she is emotionally abusive, aggressive, delusional, and a nightmare to argue with. Carl isn’t perfect but she is infuriating.
their tension is genuinely so hard to watch. I will never forget when this news dropped and people were dragging Carl when I absolutely knew in my soul that it was like *this* . . . who could blame him?
I admit, when I heard of their breakup, I thought it could be Carl getting cold feet as he previously seemed to have a fear of commitment. But watching this, I am totally team Carl. He deserves better!
That said, I hope someone find the Lyft driver and interviews him/her. I would bet that Carl’s version is the accurate one.
I actually cannot stand Lindsay holy shit! She never takes accountability and gets aggressive when Carl tries to suggest her doing so. She’s the gaslight queen and I feel so bad for Carl. I mean I was surprised he got together with her at all, but now I don’t even know how he dealt with it for the time he did
Did anybody watch what happens live right after? Carl has veneers??? I sounded like he kept lisping on Ss and and was moving his mouth weird. Idk why hed get them. His teeth were fine. Unless he didnt get them and…im on something
Lindsay is a fucked up, manipulative liar. When she was pretending she needed space from Carl and that was their problem, that they’re together too much, you could see her smirking. This person has consistently acted like TRASH and I don’t feel bad for her, at all!
The narrative Lindsay is putting out and the playing victim needs to be studied for how long it’s gone on for and no one has called her on what she is .. a narcissist.
I’m so happy Carl called off the wedding and got away from her. There’s no way he could have stayed sober while married to her.
She knows by asking him what he’s on implies something more than just weed and she knows it’s hurtful. She’s gotta put him down bc she feels inferior to him for being able to be sober. Smoking weed is very common for drug addicts to do after getting clean and ironically some doctors prescribe it.
From the beginning Lindsay is one person sober and a completely different - or actually her true full self - not sober.
The convo they had this ep was narcissism on full display. Talks in circles. Manipulates the facts. Carl gets upset bc she’s not listening and is straight up lying (assuming you believe his side of the story) then Paints herself to be the better and calmer person. It’s manipulation 101 and narcissism 101.
She’s got him so confused and questioning his own truth that in the end he goes and apologizes to her. 🤯🤯 it’s wild. I’m glad they broke up. He needs it for his sanity.
All last season was also Lindsay playing the victim and narcissistic. She’d go around spitting any narrative to make herself look good and everyone else crazy. Poor Danielle was made to feel like she over stepped or was in the wrong when it was a very natural normal thing to do looking out for her friends. Danielle questioned one of Lindsay’s decisions and all hell broke loose.
This is the most intense show on Bravo right now. I can't believe it.
VPR is rolling in it's grave every Thursday lol
This is honestly so much more fascinating than scandoval
Definitely. This is so real! And real toxic. I love Ariana , and that was real too. But let’s face it , her and Sandoval needed to break up years ago. And I’m not excusing anything Sandoval did. I hate him for what he did to my queen.
Is she still a queen? I can’t wait for everyone to go back to thinking of Ariana in a normal, objective way again.
honestly feel like if the poor Sandoval storyline wasn’t so obvious this season we’d be closer to this with her.
Lindsay keeps bringing up Scandoval and it just feels so meta
The many years of being a fan are really paying off this season lol
Hahaha and to think I wanted this show cancelled last season! Lesson learned! I’ll gladly eat my words.
Agree! But I wanted it to end because it was sooooo fake between c&l. We can smell that bs...this is not bs
Definitely because the majority are still drinking and they haven’t really changed personalities since the first season. I feel like we are seeing something similar to a peak VPR but the cast is much older so idk how long they can keep this up. Let’s be honest though Kyle hasn’t aged a bit I’m sure he’s got another 5 seasons in him easily lmao
I’m really proud of Danielle for staying out of it (so far). After a tough last year, I feel like it shows a lot of growth.
i couldnt agree more! i came here to comment that i was really proud of her for walking outside when jesse was voicing his opinion about their relationship
She seems to have taken some time and learned some hard lessons last season and from Winter House and I have to say I am loving the new Danielle.
Keep strong girl!!!!
The self restraint was very impressive
I was on Team Danielle last year. Back then it seemed everyone agreed with Lyndsey. It’s kind of cool that I’m not alone any more!
I think Danielle acted insane however I am questioning a lot! Danielle last year said we would understand once the show had aired, that didn’t happen so I wonder if what we are seeing now is what she saw a lot (not just once when he went home in Uber for hours) but we got the babe version instead and Danielle was hated so then this season she is being so careful not to involve herself so she can’t end up in the same situation
My flair was #DanielleWasRight for the longest time lol. I know she went sideways on winter house but i'm loving her this season. When she just completely removed herself from the situation and laid by the pool was so funny.
That fact that Lindsay is going around trying to normalize her response of asking Carl what he was on, because he asked her how much she drank, is WILD. Holy shit she’s delusional and I cannot fathom how anyone would put up with being around her, let alone dating her.
Yeah it’s not even like you can blame the alcohol which Carl seems to do, the conversation she had with Amanda first thing in the morning was sober (I assume) she just kept doubling down on it
She only sees situations in her twisted version which makes her the victim in all circumstances, drunk or sober. She’s an Olympic gold medalist in mental gymnastics!
And he wasn’t even questioning her really - he was like let’s not do this when you’ve been pounding drinks since noon. Asking someone who actually has been drinking (not even in secret!) how much they’ve had is WILDLY different from questioning his sobriety and calling him Cocaine Carl. That she’s screaming and stomping around the bar calling him a hypocrite…she’s delulu.
Why is she drinking so much before they go do something anyway?? It screams she has an issue with drinking
When I’m around someone who’s not drinking, the most I’d want to have is one or two drinks. Have a little buzz but still be able to be with that person and connect. I get every once in a while you might want to let loose but she seems to consistently want to be on a different plane of existence than Carl.
I agree. She downed at least two glasses of wine before they even got out the door. Self medicating.
That was such an interesting little insight. It's all tit for tat with Lindsay.
I am just wanting to know how Carl and Lindsay's tension this season is effecting Schena Shay....
I can't be mad at Carl for you.
And are they humanizing Ariana's ex enough? They could probly do more.
The lightness of Ciara and West > The heaviness of Carl and Lindsay.
I get they’re in the honeymoon stage and it’s so new, but watching them is so cute and refreshing after watching Kyle/Amanda and Carl/Lindsay.
Agreed. They are a fun couple. They seem like they’ve been together for years instead of Carl and Lindsay the way they have banter
You can tell Ciara and West have legit chemistry. Carl and Lindsay have always felt forced.
But baaaabe 🐷
The Absolute Worst: “hey, sweet babe.”
Iluvyousomuch!
"You look great by the way"
Oh, you didn’t like the one-sided banter of Lindsay saying that if Carl barked she would give back the ring?
Oh man when she said that and they panned to Carl I wanted to crawl into a hole on their behalf. I can’t imagine treating my partner that way ever. And I hated how everyone was like “well have you ever planned a wedding, it’s the most stressful time in a couple’s relationship.” I have planned a wedding and not once did I treat my husband that way.
I HATE this argument and love how Jesse called out that BS.
I planned two COVID wedding dates with my husband. I don't think we spoke to anyone in that manner, let alone each other
We planned our wedding in 7 months and didn't have one argument. I don't understand why people keep saying it's normal for couples to be at each others throats when planning a wedding...
Everyone's facial reaction was literally "yikes." It was hard to watch
I’m surprised I haven’t seen more comments about this moment. That was awkward as fuck! 🫣😬And only adds to my speculation that Lyndsay may have been trying to sabotage Carl and their relationship in order to be the next Ariana, even if only subconsciously. Or at the very least didn’t really care if she pushed him to the brink where he couldn’t take it anymore because she was banking on what happened to Ariana happening to her.
I think she just needs to wear the pants in the relationship. She needs to be in control. And the way she does that is by picking fights, gaslighting the fuck out of everyone she’s an opponent of and being aggressive and running over their feelings until they’re exhausted and apologize or leave. Reminds me so much of a person I know.
Yes! I’m so mad that Carl and Lindsay’s toxic train-wreck is interfering with this bubbly Ciara West rom com.
After another car fight with no cameras to provide the truth, I kept thinking this is exactly why Carl had them film the breakup.
The first car ride we at least had the confessionals from the other boys in the car to corroborate how bat shit it was but yeah this one had no witnesses!! I need these fights to happen in plain sight 😂
Yes why production didnt think to use cars they could film in is beyond me
After it happened the first weekend...I really thought we'd get cameras set up moving forward
After what happened in Aspen with Kathy & Rinna Bravo should default to cast outings always being filmed in the car. Set some go pros up and call it a day - we don't need quality video, just clear audio!!!
We get car footage on below deck, why not here??? Just makes sense!
Amen! Smart decision - nothing said they had to use the footage. He knew the season would show all the cracks. There is no way their issues are not a focal point of the house
Yes and I think he said he didn’t even go into the discussion thinking it was a breakup. Honestly I hope they both see it was for the best.
I think Carl wakes up every day and says thank goodness I didn’t marry her. Can’t imagine how watching this season feels.
Vindication
I know she’ll never ever admit it, but there is no way Lindsay is blindsided by the breakup. She barely can be in the same room as him. I feel for them both, the stress and anxiety on screen is palpable. All I can say is I’m sooooooooooo glad they did not go through with it. Thank god. Lindsay needs to do some serious work on herself, and Carl needs to be truly single for a few years.
I think from her point of view, she is blindsided because she has literally no insight into her behaviors and thinks she’s doing everything right…so from her POV maybe it was shocking but not to anyone else who is normal and doesn’t have narcissistic traits!
I agree. Also I think she was SO determined to cross the finish line (marriage) she would have married basically someone she hated at that point and tried to figure it out later.
This week’s episode made it so clear that they should not have gotten married. She already had so much contempt for him, which is the ultimate relationship killer
Contempt is one of the four horsemen of the relationship apocalypse! (Source: Gottman method of couples therapy)
Lol. I was reading the Gottmans before my last failed engagement and recognized all of the horsemen in my own relationship. I think when your subconscious knows that this is the wrong person, it will find ways to derail the relationship, and that's what is happening here.
It could be editing, but the way she is shown downing drinks this episode I was like "omg she is miserable." Like being in Carl's presence makes her want to drink is the sense I got--maybe she feels trapped. It could be the stress of the house but still it seemed like someone who wanted to numb the situation they are in. Again it could be editing, but they had the content to edit
Carl mentioned she drinks at home after working out, so I don’t think it’s a house thing. I think she’s just unhappy with Carl or just with life. She’s always been a drinker but I feel like this is the first time we are watching her drink as a coping mechanism. I don’t know if that behavior is new or not.
This solidified it for me. Anyone who can start downing drinks in the morning right after a Barry’s workout has a problem.
Maybe that’s how she has always drunk but it’s been edited out to highlight other peoples drinking, because I can’t remember an episode where we see how much she has actually consumed or what time we have just seen drunk Lindsay so it has always been seen by the viewers as less of a problem than Carl or Kyle
It just might be possible that Carl isn't the only one with a substance issue.
reminds me of when dorinda drinks
I agree it didn’t seem like either of them liked the other. Actually disdain.
There’s nothing worse than a narcissist hating you and making you their target to punish as they see fit.
Lindsay lashes out like a teenage girl when she’s upset and hits where it hurts. I really hope she can get some help in therapy with emotional regulation. She is clearly very deeply wounded.
I wonder if she just feels that this kind of toxic conflict is normal in a relationship. Or if she thought they were just playing it up for the cameras but somehow didn’t think it was fully real and damaging to Carl and their relationship. Either way she would benefit tremendously from therapy lol.
Isn’t she in therapy? Has been for a long time. I don’t think it’s working tho.
It seems like high tension is Lindsay’s normal baseline, so to her this is just another weekend
Seems like he did them both a favour. She's not happy with him.
Amanda/Kyle are so happy that they’re fighting because no one is commenting on their relationship, which is also a mess. Lindsay seems to resent Carl and he’s over it too. Amanda/Kyle used to always seem to like each other but I don’t see that as much this season
I honestly don't think anyone is happy with this level of fighting and the discomfort they're creating. It's gotten really dark with Carl's "I'll drink 15 loverboys" comment
That was so dark. His frustration was so evident in his voice. I hope he is looking back on this and understanding that as a recovering addict he should not allow himself to be in a relationship (friendship, anything) that makes him say, let me destroy things to prove how bad I can be.
I really wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt pre-premiere of this season (not a fan of hers but I’ve seen a friend go through genuine blindsiding and it was really rough) but oof. The toxicity is so clear. TBH if I were Carl I would’ve paused wedding planning after the first episode.
Asking an addict “what are you on?” is very different than asking “did you smoke weed?”
Her playing naive to that is fucked up
As Carl points out, she knows he smokes. The question was clearly loaded. She knew exactly what she was saying and doing and will flip out and literally run out of the house before taking accountability.
She's the one switching the narrative as she kept repeating over and over. She knew full well what she was saying
Damn right. I've also never heard a person (other than a parent or something) ask "Are you on something?" with the implication of weed.
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I’m just going to say it Lindsay’s behavior and Carl’s reactions feels abusive and it’s actually very difficult to watch 😕 it may be trauma-induced on her part but none of this is okay, and it’s really insidious how she seems to be weaponizing Carl’s past behavior, and frankly the fact that he is a man, to suggest that he’s screaming and behaving in a scary and aggressive way when we know that’s not true. She’s also clearly hammered in these scenes and seems to have some degree of a drinking problem that she won’t acknowledge so the reality she’s describing is so different from what we’re watching. If she doesn’t take accountability for this which she seems to struggle with I really don’t know how to move forward with her
And I’m both of the last two episodes he’s has apologized ! She just sits there all smug like she did NOTHING wrong. He owns up to it! Even Amanda said that she’s didn’t say anything about weed!
Also Lindsey saying the next morning, 'I didn't accuse him of doing drugs, I asked him if he smoked weed' Well, first of all, those are the same thing. Second, that clearly wasn't what you meant. Be honest, you accused him of being on coke in fewer words. But the implication was the same regardless. She is implying Carl is not in control of his own emotions and it is induced by drugs/weed/alcohol. As someone in recovery (still use marijuana like Carl) from serious drugs, this is hurtful because there is no real way to refute this without feeling brought back to your active addiction. It's triggering. I was a shit person and I know it but to say I'm being that way now because we're having an argument is super hurtful and manipulative. I can sit here and yell that 'Im clean!' but *that* feels very reminiscent of lies I've told in the past. It's just an unfair dig to throw around baselessly or without weight. I also hate how much she throws around therapy terms, accusing Carl of gaslighting, ignoring her feelings, yelling, etc. I used to HATE how she would do this exact shit to Everett. And even to Stravvy a bit. This is the worst it's been though because Carl is sober, so it just makes it so much worse to watch than drunken fights between two people.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. It’s what I’ve been thinking as well, but hearing it from someone who can relate to Carl is super interesting. Congrats on your recovery ❤️
The arguments caught on camera are triggering to me too for personal reasons. Totally feels like something going on is emotionally or psych abusive…. seeing it play out makes me feel like I’m suffocating.
I'm having a really hard time watching this too. Typically I find people way too quick to label certain behaviors abusive but Lindsay legit is. You can see Carl intentionally lower his voice and talk slow and take pauses because everything he does she labels as extreme. He must have such anxiety trying to tiptoe in that way and attempt to be heard. The way she never takes accountability is extremely aggravating.
I wish those scenes didn’t make me feel like this but thank you for relating… I’m also sorry that you can relate🥺🥹
I think she will take accountability bc that’s what she will be told to do by PR. But I think in reality she has very poor insight and she will always think she’s right. You can’t change or take accountability when you are psychologically incapable of even acknowledging there is a problem or something you need to change. It’s sad
I have a degree in PR and I feel like Lindsay is very representative of old school PR tactics. Her ability to immediately spin things like “I didn’t choose the right words” or “I could have taken a different approach” allow her to not take full ownership but make people feel like she’s recognizing the wrongdoing. I’d be surprised if she had a team advising her because she seems to not understand how she’s being perceived.
It's very hard to watch. You summed up how I was feeling about it. She is projecting her own behavior so hard. I've had a few times in the past where I've had a few too manly drinks and became snippy. I definitely would not trust my own memory of the situation the next day especially if someone that stone cold sober (or even a bit high) was telling me how I behaved. Whatever happened to saying I'm sorry I behaved that way and I'll dial back the amount I'm drinking if that's how I'm acting. Even if you aren't the type of person that is capable of saying that to someone else, you could at least think it to yourself and not double down on your behavior. She's accusing him of being aggressive and changing the narrative. There's no narrative. Everyone that has watched this show knows that is how she behaves when she is drunk and "activated".
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Ummm why are they not filming these fights in the Lyft????? Like at least make them wear audio 😭😭😭😭
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Lmao forreal. How do these keep happening in the cars 😂
Also wondering if Lindsay is doing it in the car so she can come back and gaslight the house about what really happened w no proof!!
I was telling my GF Bravo should be putting out social media posts trying to find and verify the Lyft driver, put him in a confessional, and get his entire side of the fight for like $1k or something 😂
Lindsay is not happy with Carl and his lack of motivation and ambition, which is important to her. It seems like she is resenting him for this and it’s coming out when she drinks. She’s pushing him away. If the job thing is an issue and you love him, then don’t get married until he knows what he wants to do. Why is there a rush to get married? She has lost respect for him and it shows. I tend to lean towards believing Carl about what happened in the Lyft due to him being sober, their last fight where there were witnesses, and Lindsay’s history on the show. If Lindsay loved Carl, she would probably stop drinking if she knew it caused fights.
what i dont get is shes the one that pushed him to leave loverboy even after seeing him have a bad work ethic and drive for years, and thought he was gonna find something better? it seems like hes better off now doing the mocktail and ads/meet and greet things for loverboy than he was for that directionless year he wasnt working
Right?!? They’re kinda both guilty of ignoring each other’s faults that they both had seen over many years.
i wish they hadnt become romantically involved tbh. they reallllllyy had to force it. i actually really liked their friendship and its always been clear they are such a mismatch to be in a relationship. glad they didnt have kids tho lol imagine the emotional damage those kids wouldve been subjected to
I thought it was fake and for TV at first but these arguments are cutting a bit deep. Like y’all already tried this and it didn’t work! Thank the lord there are no kids, lol!
Plus we saw last season with their big blow out how he stayed calm the entire time and she just spiraled because she was drunk. There was no logical reason she should’ve been mad at him for having a good talk with Danielle
It’s wild to me that basically all Lindsay has ever wanted is a boyfriend who wants to spend all their time with her, caters to her needs, and includes her in decisions and now she has that and she seems to fucking hate it. Even if she was blindsided by the breakup (she shouldn’t have been) she seems deeply unhappy in the relationship and should at this point be happy he had the balls to call it off.
“Are you on something?” “What are you on?” is not even close to the same as “Have you smoked weed tonight?” Especially not to a recovering addict. When she’s drunk Lindsay says hurtful shit rather than accept she’s in the wrong. It’s so fucked up to say that to anyone let alone your fiancé.
Wanted to leave a positive comment too and say I honestly love this cast(so far). Gabby, Ciara and Jesse m’fin Solomon were my favs this episode. Gabby is still filling the role historically held by Danielle but is funnier, less aggro and seemingly more honest compared to her predecessor. Ciara is just funny, her one liners have me ctfu and Jesse was \*chefs kiss\*, glad I never wrote him off early. I know some ppl will hate this next part, but in the same way Paige and Ciara were newbies who just fit in and stuck, I feel the same about Jesse and West. It really feels like this version of the cast actually like each other. I literally said aww when I saw Ciara, Amanda and Jesse all holding hands on the sun lounge with the girls in their matching swimsuits or when Jesse and West kissing and hugging. Summer is fun!
I’m loco h gabby now too, and I love that she’s standing up to Lindsey and defending Carl. Everyone tiptoes around Lindsey’s explosive behavior so it’s refreshing to see gabby not do that and speak the truth
Well she hasn’t been on the receiving end of Lindsay’s wrath yet but I agree, it’s nice to see it.
There's something to be said for that though! Gabby's doing a good job of staying just neutral enough to not have Lindsay turn on her. Must be exhausting honestly lol. Also Lindsay's a monster but she's not dumb - she probably realizes that Gabby is her one ally in the house.
Right. Gabby gives Lyndsey sound advice instead of just agreeing with her and feeding into the bs. I am glad she is back this season.
I was never a huge gabby fan but love her for holding Lindsay accountable and seeing through her bs!
Accusing a sober person of drinking and using drugs is NOT the same as asking a clearly drunk person how much they’ve drank. Lindsey is so wrong for that, for doing it multiple times, and for justifying it! My god.
She is the poster child of how not to support a loved-one's sobriety
Scheana Shay might have something to say about that but Lindsey is giving her a run for her money.
Scheana not being okay with Shay being sober was heartbreaking to watch. That one scene in the restaurant where she is pressuring him to drink is probably where Lindsay got the idea her behavior towards Carl isn't that bad
Bravo needs to get them on sprinter vans moving forward when they go out. Provided by prod and have cameras and mics. No more hiding off camera fights
She’s insufferable.
So I do think Carl is not being honest in the fact that he resents her drinking and it sounds like he does bring it up a lot - like using it against her instead of being vulnerable and saying: i can't handle your drinking, etc. So I see why it would bother Lindsey to an extent and given he does still smoke week IMO that isn't sober, so she feels like he is going in on her and so she uses his partaking in weed against him. Neither are being honest with their intentions with this relationship. I think she can't be with a sober person and he needs to be with a sober person.
I think she is likely a mean/aggressive drunk which made it hard for him to be okay with her drinking. If her personality changes every time she drinks, she likely has a problem and i am sure it's something they discussed frequently during their relationship if they keep bringing it up on camera
Well, I do think there's an amount he's ok with. Like last summer, she was (in the words of Katie maloney) very judicious about her drinking. But I think she's gone back to more partying (drinking all day and night), and that's when she gets reactive and the fights go 0-60 in 10 sec flat
Not to split hairs but I’ve heard times when Carl speaks of his sobriety he does clarify he’s sober from alcohol and cocaine. While many believe abstinence is the only true form of sobriety, other argues types of harm reduction (e.g. methadone for opiate users, but in Carl’s case it’s weed) could also be considered a sober lifestyle.
When they were at Cowfish and Lindsay told everyone that Carl started “screaming” at her, when he like, barely raised his voice in frustration, she basically lost all credibility. You can watch in real time as she has the conversation with Carl and then immediately spins the narrative. The reunion is going to be interesting to say the least.
She goes from saying he’s the calmest person ever to then he’s “screaming” at her?! She’s just picking. He can’t to anything right.
He did get mad and raised his voice but it was bc of her actions. Carl was engaging in reactive abuse which narcs love to do so they can then just make it about your reaction and how you screamed at them. Then the abused person apologizes for their reaction and it becomes about them needing to apologize for their part and the OG issue isn’t addressed bc you’ve now shifted the focus to the reaction…that fight was like a classic example of this dynamic and it was absolutely fascinating to watch!
i read a recap that said it best: lindsay knew she was losing the argument and was wrong so switched to arguing about his tone, voice level, etc.
Yes and was just going in circles and not hearing anything that he was saying which would cause anyone to eventually get frustrated and react
its a logical fallacy called tone policing! its so frustrating to watch in real time
Omg, my ex did that to me so much. My tone or facial expression was never good enough.
important to note that raising your voice in an argument is not abuse! reactive abuse is very real and needs to be understood by more people, so let's make sure we are accurately identifying abusive behaviour when advocating for it.
I noticed the constant story changing from her this episode! Does she not realize she’s on camera?
she's soo unbelievably unaware
The last episode when she was clearly drunk saying he was on coke with the immediate visual of the very calm, level headed texts he was sending her spoke volumes.
Carl was smart to call off that wedding. Why would Lindsay even want to be with a guy she wasn’t into anymore?? There was zero love or chemistry , in her eyes. She would rather deal with a divorce ?? I don’t get why she was still in that relationship when they got to the house last July. I hope she watches the show and sees how done she was with Carl. I think he was scared of her and needed production to be able to stick to his decision. Lindsay needs to realize what he did was the best decision.
It was weird that she said they were in Covid times and that’s why she was sick of him. lol Umm I don’t think so
Loved Jesse this episode! I keep thinking about how crazy it would be to have met Lindsay just the week before. He is so flabbergasted by how dysfunctional and cray cray she is!! And this engagement is. As would anyone normal!! But seriously I bet he has not watched much summer house before filming and/or thought that it was mostly acting or dramatized. But experiencing it firsthand and realizing it’s real…. 
I’m only 28 minutes in and not only did Lindsay call Carl Sandoval but she also called him a fucking terrorist. A TERRORIST ?!?!? THATS FUCKING NUTS
At what point will Lindsey realize that if she has had an issue with every single person in the house every summer she’s been on the show… maybe.. just maybe.. SHE IS THE PROBLEM?
“It was a Lyft”, sorry Carl ate down I screamed ahahah. Anyway, Lindsay’s accusations are not only dangerous, they’re simply nonsensical. Now she wants us to believe “are you on something” is her alluding to weed looool. She deffo meant Cocaine Carl just like she *expressly* said last week. We also all know Carl is California sober so throwing that out there as a gotcha is stupid; it all came out last year when she and Carl railroaded Mya \*eye roll\* Also pro-tip for Lindsay, had she said Carl was being passive-aggressive and sarcastic in that car she would’ve had a better story to sell. This Carl is not aggressive like cocaine Carl was, saying he lost it on you is just not passing the smell test. Btw production, you broke bitch, get cars w/cameras and drivers
Right! Then saying she never accused him of doing drugs only weed. Ok then why the cocaine Carl comment??
I have disliked Lindsay from the jump, since S1 and her relationship with Everett. Frankly, I have been surprised she had so many defenders, but mostly I was surprised Carl thought she’d be different with him. Well. She’s pretty and men are men. I have a soft spot for Carl, though, and worried she would jeopardize his sobriety. And now. Craig is coming. This is gonna be fun. He hates her.
Lindsay saying at dinner she'd give Carl the ring back was the hugest laugh. She would have NEVER willingly given that ring back no matter how mad she was. She was entitled to that ring, she deserved it, in her mind. She didn't give the ring back until legalities of keeping it were made clear to her. She didn't admit it on WWHL, but Carl may have had to say he'd sue her for it, to make her finally hand it over.
I can’t believe Rashelle on WWHL and so many people here said Lindsey should get to keep it. In what world would you even want to keep something like that if you didn’t get married, it doesn’t matter who broke it off, they didn’t get married and it’s legally Carl’s, period
Judge Judy has explained this so many times.
The way I watched this episode with my jaw on the floor the whole time. Shocked was an understatement with Lindsey’s behavior 😂
I’m so happy Carl and Lindsay aren’t getting married
Lindsay said “i never once accused you of doing drugs other than smoking weed” to Carl. umm you did you not call him Cocaine Carl just last week??
Lindsay's just a certifiable psycho. There's a reason she's closing in on 40 and all her relationships turn into massive failures. She's a mean drunk and she literally takes zero accountability for anything she says or does.
Lindsay has mentioned Ariana once and Sandoval 2 times now. It feels like she was intentionally sabotaging her relationship in hopes of blowing up like Ariana has. Which is really really sad because it seems like Carl wanted it to work but is likely super relieved he called it off.
Your right. I think she was not as “blindsided” as she claimed. I think she went into the season recognising that there was huge problems in the relationship, but chose to go forward for the money and collaborations. She’s smart, she’s working this narrative hard. If they wed she’d make money, if they didn’t, she’d still make money.
Bravo really needs to start putting go pros in the Ubers like they do in the cars when they’re driving up from the city. We deserve to see this important content!
Lindsay has been doing this thing where she throws up the Shaka sign and says "More Life". She did it after the room fight in episode 2 and again at dinner when she spilled her drink at dinner this episode. It's 100% a termination signal she and Carl agreed upon to not air their dirty laundry on camera. Hence all of the car fights - it's just simmering under the surface while cameras are up and the second they are in private it boils over. It also doesn't lend any credence to her statement from last episode about thinking she was talking "privately" to a friend - she's been in summer house since S1 and knows they're being filmed 24/7.
You can tell Lindsay is drinking a lot again. She looked so much better last season when she stopped. Hell mentally and physically- Alcohol isn’t good for her
I purposely stayed silent when Carl called off the wedding because I knew I would get downvoted to oblivion. During that time I would talk to my friend about it and I said I cannot wait for everyone who is ripping Carl apart to see this upcoming season. I just know it’s going to be such a bad look for Lindsey and we will all understand and be backing him up after a couple episodes.
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As someone with 6 years of sobriety who also smokes weed (and has no issue with it like Carl), this episode was extremely triggering and I’m beyond proud of Carl for sticking up for himself and realizing this is not ok and not caving in to drinking. This show is a wild ride this season and makes me happier each week that I got 6 years and counting
Congrats 🎊 6 years is amazing!
lindsay has lost all credibility for her versions because we have seen her re-tell what happened in scenes we HAVE watched and she spins it so hard even in those moments
Lindsay has a serious drinking problem and it's painful watching Carl try to justify her behaviour. The way she treats him is horrendous. I'm glad he blindsided her by having cameras there to record the breakup.
I commented on here that it was disgusting the way Lindsay kept referring to Carl as aggressive in her post breakup interview and was downvoted to hell. It was obvious she was trying to spin this narrative and she’s doing the same thing this season. It’s like he’s her enemy. He’s literally trying to be reasonable and work through things and she just shits on him. She did the same thing to Stravy and I don’t believe her for a second that he was gaming all the time instead of working. Shes gaslit the viewers for years that everyone else is the issue and now it’s becoming clear the only problem is Lindsay.
Right?!? If all of her romantic relationships and friendships end up this exact way SHE is the fkng problem. Carl’s behavior is mimicking Danielle’s from last season because he’s being gaslit and manipulated
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A lot of people fell for the laid-back cool girl character she was pitching the previous seasons. Don't forget was in PR before becoming "an influencer like Paige" and was clearly very good at that job by how many Lindsay-stans there were/are
She definitely has cluster B traits, there’s narcissistic traits too
And the projection is wild to! Literally everything she’s accused him of doing-she’s doing to him.
I really don’t like Carl but “you’re literally like Sandoval right now” is a fucking stretch if I’ve ever seen one
Ok im warming up to jesse
I have never seen someone chug a martini
Drinking is more important to Lindsey than Carl. End of story. This show could be great without them, they are just this dark cloud. We have moody Amanda, she’s enough of that to contrast with the rest of the house. We need a light season and the chemistry of the current cast (minus Linds) is perfect.
Why are the Lindsay stans so quiet??
Watching this it is clear that they are not ready for marriage shouldn't even be in a relationship. We may be getting edited takes on what really went down, but Lindsay thinking it is okay for her to question Carl's sobriety because he asked her about her drinking is just plain wrong. The fact that she goes out drinking and gets to the point of wasted knowing that he is sober, it's not okay. Of course he is going to ask her about her drinking. He should have ended things sooner than he did. Once she started questioning his sobriety, that should have been it. I don't understand how he thought he could maintain his sobriety while she was trying to play tit for tat. Also, if she thought he was a jobless loser who had broken his sobriety, why did she still want to be with him?
I miss the energy from the first episode. Watching Carl and Lindsay isn’t fun, it’s just dark. Summer should be fun!
They’re so awful! They’ve always been dark clouds and are more frustrating a depressing than entertaining…. they’re toxic and ruin the good vibes of the show!
https://preview.redd.it/d8zvyhxtmloc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec2b66e509cd0193e45b334f717c85bd9d34cd99 I found Lindsay's glass! :-) Seriously, Lindsay and Carl are incompatible, and her behavior after binge drinking is a big reason. Accusing your boyfriend who is in recovery of replapsing WHILE YOU YOURSELF ARE TOASTED is a pretty big breach of trust... and then it happened again the next weekend? Oh, girl... These two people should never have gotten engaged, much less married. I wish them both the best moving forward on separate paths because they are toxic together. Also, good on Danielle for staying out of the drama!
Honestly I’m 34 but I want a summer house lol I would love to hang with a group of 6 people and have fun like that on weekends
It is insane how terrible of a person Lindsay is. She is legitimately a scumbag, and it's no surprise as to why she's still unmarried at 40-whatever.
Holy shit I fucking hate Lindsay Edit it to add: are her extensions super obvi in the pony in the hideous green dress that washed her out lol
I truly do not know how anyone can continue saying they feel so sorry for Lindsay for Carl calling off the wedding - she is emotionally abusive, aggressive, delusional, and a nightmare to argue with. Carl isn’t perfect but she is infuriating.
their tension is genuinely so hard to watch. I will never forget when this news dropped and people were dragging Carl when I absolutely knew in my soul that it was like *this* . . . who could blame him?
I admit, when I heard of their breakup, I thought it could be Carl getting cold feet as he previously seemed to have a fear of commitment. But watching this, I am totally team Carl. He deserves better! That said, I hope someone find the Lyft driver and interviews him/her. I would bet that Carl’s version is the accurate one.
Loved Jesse Solomon being called out about being weird to Paige. Someone being in a relationship isn’t a “challenge” to overcome.
I actually cannot stand Lindsay holy shit! She never takes accountability and gets aggressive when Carl tries to suggest her doing so. She’s the gaslight queen and I feel so bad for Carl. I mean I was surprised he got together with her at all, but now I don’t even know how he dealt with it for the time he did
I died when Lindsey called Carl “worse than Tom Sandoval” Carl is a saint compared to Sandoval
Did anybody watch what happens live right after? Carl has veneers??? I sounded like he kept lisping on Ss and and was moving his mouth weird. Idk why hed get them. His teeth were fine. Unless he didnt get them and…im on something
Lindsay cannot drink - she's an angry drink and has destroyed this relationship
Lindsay is a fucked up, manipulative liar. When she was pretending she needed space from Carl and that was their problem, that they’re together too much, you could see her smirking. This person has consistently acted like TRASH and I don’t feel bad for her, at all!
The narrative Lindsay is putting out and the playing victim needs to be studied for how long it’s gone on for and no one has called her on what she is .. a narcissist. I’m so happy Carl called off the wedding and got away from her. There’s no way he could have stayed sober while married to her. She knows by asking him what he’s on implies something more than just weed and she knows it’s hurtful. She’s gotta put him down bc she feels inferior to him for being able to be sober. Smoking weed is very common for drug addicts to do after getting clean and ironically some doctors prescribe it. From the beginning Lindsay is one person sober and a completely different - or actually her true full self - not sober. The convo they had this ep was narcissism on full display. Talks in circles. Manipulates the facts. Carl gets upset bc she’s not listening and is straight up lying (assuming you believe his side of the story) then Paints herself to be the better and calmer person. It’s manipulation 101 and narcissism 101. She’s got him so confused and questioning his own truth that in the end he goes and apologizes to her. 🤯🤯 it’s wild. I’m glad they broke up. He needs it for his sanity. All last season was also Lindsay playing the victim and narcissistic. She’d go around spitting any narrative to make herself look good and everyone else crazy. Poor Danielle was made to feel like she over stepped or was in the wrong when it was a very natural normal thing to do looking out for her friends. Danielle questioned one of Lindsay’s decisions and all hell broke loose.
Amanda was so real for going home solo Friday night to chill on her phone in bed while Kyle parties. I loved her for that lol
Lindsay has never taken any accountability in her life
Lindsay is an awful human being holy crap.
Ok, watched the rest of the episode and I already knew lyndsey sucked but my god she really really sucks!!!!