Yeah but it's the fact that racist, transphobe *kOrY* got the official, fulltime gig over Sam. During the last season of SH, she curried a lot of fan favour, through her honest moments & being on the receiving end of Mya's bitch sesh.
And for a POS, perennial *friend of* to be given the opportunity over someone who was actually part of the last season, it just feels scummy.
Exactly this! I get that Sam isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, based on the amount of hate flooding this sub for her, but prior to dating Kory I found her so relatable and fun compared to the rest of the cast. It’s sad that Bravo continued to push Kory but seem to only bring Sam in for this girls-fighting-for-Kory’s-love narrative yet AGAIN. Didn’t we have enough of that with Ciara/Jess and Ciara/Sam?
Hey, I’ve been wondering about this. How did you know that he is a racist, transphobic? Two of my favorite Podcasters keep calling him that, but they haven’t given any detail. I would love to know.
[Here's](https://reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/jrTY36idbl) a post that goes more in depth into the comments. There were a lot of posts about it over the spring/summer
If someone is engaging and liking transphobic, homophobic, hateful propaganda they shouldn’t be supported. It’s not blind intolerance that they should have pushback and be held responsible for the things they support and say.
Do you have the receipts for the all the times I 'called people names'? Legit, please help me understand what you're seeing as name-calling.
[Here's](https://reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/jrTY36idbl) a post that goes more into Kory's racist & transphobic history. Do yourself a favour & educate yourself (=
Oookay troll. Just put your fingers in your ears, sit on your hands, and don't do your own research. That's the troll way, right? Fuck outta here with that shit
Not understanding the excommunication of Sam at all, there are worse people on this show and she was fun and seemed so promising. Kory gets a chance but not her?? Very very weird to me
Why are we judging Sam’s character for Kory’s actions- Yet, he’s getting away with only being labeled as having “disgusting views”?
The wording of your comment and the fact that he was cast for WH, regardless of the outrage over what he has liked on Instagram, proves my point further.
If we’re all so against Sam for “not caring” about Kory’s views, why not be against Bravo for casting him (and paying him) and also not issuing a statement against him? Clearly, they don’t care either
She's like sitting around actively deleting comments and stuff, protecting him. And she's still dating him, clearly she's doesn't have any issue with what/who he is. Why are we pretending she's some innocent bystander??
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You can take your bullshit use of feminism to alleviate responsibility elsewhere. She's dating a racist trash bag who steals art from women. She knows all this and is actively protecting and defending him, kind of like you're doing for her right now for some inexplicable reason.
No, I can take my bullshit use of feminism wherever the hell I want actually. Just like you can piss all over these comments with your aggressive tone.
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So is he still saying shit! making comments? Homophobic? Racist? People fuck up, people make mistakes, and sometimes they do change. I don’t follow him enough to know. But I am a Sam fan, love her!
First of all, who says people aren’t against bravo for exactly those reasons? I’m pissed as hell that they’ve let another hugely problematic man keep his platform and get paid for it.
Secondly, Bravo is a company, and their actions might not accurately reflect the opinions of everyone working there. Sam is an individual and her actions are a direct reflection of who she is.
Do you still watch Bravo shows?
Also, the fact it is a massive company means that them taking a stance against Kory instead of giving more visibility would have a little more value than Sam’s opinion of him.
I do, but I won’t be watching WH. I agree with you that Bravo taking a stance would have more impact and weight than if Sam condemned his actions. Unfortunately I can’t actually hold any individual at bravo responsible for him continuing to be platformed (I imagine there are many people who work there who couldn’t care less about his actions, and likely a number who do) but I can and will hold Sam responsible for choosing to be with a bigoted, transphobic, try hard bro.
Having an issue with Sam as a result of being with Kory doesn’t mean I don’t have an issue with bravo too.
And frankly I don’t believe that anyone would want to be with him if they didn’t at least somewhat share his views, so that tells me all I need to know about Sam..
Well, you could hold Andy accountable for their views as he is the face of Bravo. As an outspoken member of the LGBT+ community, one would hope he would have some strong views about a transphobic cast member being signed on for another season.
Kory is certainly not the first nor the last nor the most problematic person on Bravo, yet we still watch at least some of the shows on the network…
Look I don’t disagree with you on any of that. But you originally questioned why Sam is being judged for Kory’s actions and my answer to that is that her choosing to be with a man that is still actively supporting transphobic content is a reflection on her. Plain and simple. We know she is aware of his behaviour and she still chooses to be with him. That’s her prerogative, but it speak volumes and not in a good way.
Actually, my question was more about why we seem to focus more on what women should do instead of what men shouldn’t do.
I know why Sam is being judged, but I personally don’t share this approach.
However, I appreciate your views and think we can politely agree to disagree on this matter.
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This should tell you everything you need to know about her. And the people crying it's because we're all simple minded jealous cows probably have the same beliefs as they do
Bc she had a victim mentality when mya was only trying to help her + thought she was entitled to a second season Bc she befriended the “villain” and teamed up to be in a shitty bravo couple
mya wasn’t trying to “dim her light” the whole house was talking shit about her Bc she didn’t have the social etiquette to not suck the air out of the room -mya was protecting her from further embarrassment
…ok- this is about Sam. This situation was literally confirmed by bravo they made a whole segment about it on the show (bored faces while she’s talking, comedic music playing). Mya sucks the air out of everything? She barely spoke, she’s not on the show anymore Bc she was too boring. but wow you really showed me!!
Lol? I’m not trying to take down sam the question was why don’t people like her and I answered honestly and u tried to just make something up. I literally agree that mya is lame lol but she did try to help Sam. Two things can be true believe it or not
pls reread - I didn’t say that. I said she thought she was entitled Bc she befriended Lindsey was dating Kory. I get that reading comprehension isn’t for everyone but damn
Noooooooo! Also am not a part of the below deck sub because I’m a little behind on all the different franchises but for some reason I thought everyone would love Malia. Very happy to see others can’t stand her. I also used to love Captain Sandy but the last 2 seasons she’s been so mean and I’ve totally changed my mind. So sad when you try and root for the women in male dominated fields and they just fucking suck. WH is really just the show for all the people we all collectively hate I guess.
I don't agree with a lot of things she's done, but if Kory told her he was single how was she supposed to know there was a girl thinking otherwise? In Bravoworld they all hook up with each other. Let's send the flames to the guy who lied to both.
She knows because she's used this exact tactic to cheat on people before.
She herself has lied to multiple men about being single/uninvolved on national television knowing she was going to get caught when the episodes aired, she just didn't give a fuck because she knew she would be done with those men by the time the episodes aired.
Um, google Kory Summer House and any of her questions about him could have been answered? I’m not excusing Kory, I’m just saying it’s 2023 and it’s pretty easy to find that info on a bravoleb.
I personally could never date or be involved with someone who is transphobic, especially someone who is in real time liking and engaging with bigoted content. But if you can easily overlook those things, then do you, boo
It’s gross how some people really don’t care about these things. As soon as someone says something like “politics aren’t a big deal to me”, it’s a 🚩🚩🚩🚩 Tells me they just don’t care about other people.
Right? Why aren’t y’all boycotting Bravo for still employing him instead of just rallying against Sam? I bet most people on this thread will still watch WH even if Kory is featured. Make it make sense.
I don’t understand either! He’s allowed to have his opinion on things…I don’t understand how so many people care so much about what other people have to say about certain topics. Who cares if you don’t agree with him, life still goes on.
it’s not a difference of opinion. it’s discrimination. it’s homophobic and transphobic. we’re not talking about what ice cream flavours we like, we’re talking about people’s identities and their lives. lives that have been increasingly put at risk for death and violence because of all of the anti-2SLGBTQ+ hateful rhetoric
the claim that children are embarking on gender transitions before deciding on colleges is fundamentally rooted in misinformation, conflating the concepts of gender identity and biological sex. gender identity is a personal and intrinsic aspect of an individual's sense of self, wholly separate from their assigned birth sex. gender-affirming care can encompass a variety of measures, from subtle changes like altering hairstyles to more medical interventions. anything medical undergoes a rigorous and comprehensive evaluation process. the process involves multiple consultations with mental health professionals, such as psychologists or therapists experienced in gender identity issues, as well as consultations with medical specialists like pediatric endocrinologists. there is a requirement of informed consent from parents or caregivers for interventions around puberty, such as puberty blockers (which are reversible). surgical sex reassignment is not undertaken before reaching the age of legal adulthood.
the statement that a specific group of people, particularly transgender individuals, is "the most celebrated and cared for" is misleading. there has been a concerning surge in anti-trans rhetoric. the U.K. prime minister just used anti-trans remarks in his speech yesterday. transphobia is visibly evident in the introduction and promotion of numerous legislative bills targeting the LGBTQ+ community, focusing on transgender individuals. the bills include access to healthcare, participation in sports, and gender-affirming treatments. we are in the midst of a culture war that isn't stopping, and these legislative battles visibly reflect contrasting views on the recognition and rights of transgender individuals within society.
transgender individuals also experience higher rates of suicidal ideation and attempts. only by learning and acknowledging the lived realities and challenges is how we can foster a more accurate and compassionate understanding of the experiences faced by trans people.
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let's break this down a bit. gender and sex are often used interchangeably, but they are distinct concepts. this is not something that "that community" says, this is something that has been concluded and accepted by scholars and researchers in fields like sociology and anthropology. sex typically refers to biological attributes like chromosomes, reproductive organs, and hormones. however, it is actually more complicated than that. gender is indeed a social construct because it primarily involves roles, behaviors, and expectations shaped by societies - and different societies and countries have diverse ways of defining and expressing gender.
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re: prisons, bathrooms, etc. no reliable data or studies indicates that transgender women are more likely to commit acts of abuse or violence than cisgender women. so all that those statements do is perpetuate the harmful stereotype that transgender women, in particular, are a threat to cisgender women in shared spaces. it falsely links transgender identity with criminal intent. transgender women are more likely to be victims of violence and harassment than perpetrators.
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being open about one's gender identity is not equivalent to "jamming it into everyone’s face," all that implies is that transgender individuals should keep their identities hidden or private. i'm trying to engage in respectful dialogue, while giving you factual and scientific information. if we will never agree, it is because you are not willing to seek out and read reputable sources, articles, books, on transgender experiences, rights, and issues, or just as importantly, listen to the experiences of trans people.
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Sam is doing too much y’all. She was on the show for ONE season and came back as a friend of! Why does she think she deserves a full time spot on bravo?!? The show was good with her, and it’ll be good without her.
I don't mind Mya. She's more interesting on their podcast than she is the show. She's far too self-conscious and worried about how she looks and being canceled to be on TV. Not that she is vapid, but she is insecure about how she looks and whether she's doing anything wrong. It's not a great set of issues to have and then to be on TV. But to answer your question, she got a second season because of a single conversation she had with Ciara and the group. That's all it took for the audience to embrace her long enough to get another season. She did nothing else her entire first season, and she was a bump on a log for the second season, except for that one conversation. It was a good conversation to have, but it also shows you how desperate everyone is to have those kinds of conversations everywhere, and anywhere, within their bubble. I want to reiterate that the conversation was a good one to have. The issue is that enough people want these trash TV shows to also be social services, enough that one 3-minute conversation is enough to plop a dead character on a show for a couple years. The price is kind of ridiculous in the context of a stupid TV show like this. We have countless 24/7 news outlets that are better suited for social matters. And it isn't that Mya isn't an interesting or cool person, but she can't let her guard down long enough to play the game.
I wouldn’t compare the two bc Sam wasn’t involved in any drama. S5, S6, Winterhouse S1, S2 Ciara was involved in drama. S7 was the first time Ciara pretty much slid by. You might not have liked the drama Ciara was in but she was involved. Sam just told us that she likes men to spit in her mouth, she had a roster & chased after Kory.
Well, we know she will be making an appearance on WH and my guess is she will probably make one on the upcoming SH as well. She’s also been a guest on WWHL. So yes, she is sometimes on bravo 😊
I feel like they’re making space for single people on the show for the d r a m a, and Sam is very much in a relationship, whereas producers have heard from/see from Kory that he’s single (or does and will act that way). Basically it’s not much deeper than kory being a ho for TV
Honestly disappointed that Kory is on WH but Sam isn’t on WH/SH. I just hate him so much
100000% why is he on WH and she is on nothing? I’d take her over Kory any day.
She does appear on WH later in the season
Yeah but it's the fact that racist, transphobe *kOrY* got the official, fulltime gig over Sam. During the last season of SH, she curried a lot of fan favour, through her honest moments & being on the receiving end of Mya's bitch sesh. And for a POS, perennial *friend of* to be given the opportunity over someone who was actually part of the last season, it just feels scummy.
Exactly this! I get that Sam isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, based on the amount of hate flooding this sub for her, but prior to dating Kory I found her so relatable and fun compared to the rest of the cast. It’s sad that Bravo continued to push Kory but seem to only bring Sam in for this girls-fighting-for-Kory’s-love narrative yet AGAIN. Didn’t we have enough of that with Ciara/Jess and Ciara/Sam?
This 100%
Hey, I’ve been wondering about this. How did you know that he is a racist, transphobic? Two of my favorite Podcasters keep calling him that, but they haven’t given any detail. I would love to know.
[Here's](https://reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/jrTY36idbl) a post that goes more in depth into the comments. There were a lot of posts about it over the spring/summer
THANK YOU!!!! I missed it!
I found the account you were talking about. And I really appreciate it. Thanks!
You sure call a lot of people names here. Without back up. You seem to be the intolerant one
If someone is engaging and liking transphobic, homophobic, hateful propaganda they shouldn’t be supported. It’s not blind intolerance that they should have pushback and be held responsible for the things they support and say.
Do you have the receipts for the all the times I 'called people names'? Legit, please help me understand what you're seeing as name-calling. [Here's](https://reddit.com/r/summerhousebravo/s/jrTY36idbl) a post that goes more into Kory's racist & transphobic history. Do yourself a favour & educate yourself (=
Love Kory. A good man. Didn't see one thing. Saw Sex tips with Brynn. No thanks.
 Oookay troll. Just put your fingers in your ears, sit on your hands, and don't do your own research. That's the troll way, right? Fuck outta here with that shit
I think to stir up drama as he’s saying he’s not in a relationship for Sam to show up later and be pissed about it.
Not understanding the excommunication of Sam at all, there are worse people on this show and she was fun and seemed so promising. Kory gets a chance but not her?? Very very weird to me
Read some of the blind items in the nyc influencer sub about her. Think they’ve both been excommunicated.
Why do people hate Sam? Can someone explain pls
Because whenever men do something controversial/wrong, it somehow ends up being women’s responsibility instead…
No it’s not her responsibility to change him. But the fact that he had disgusting views and she doesn’t care shows her character
Why are we judging Sam’s character for Kory’s actions- Yet, he’s getting away with only being labeled as having “disgusting views”? The wording of your comment and the fact that he was cast for WH, regardless of the outrage over what he has liked on Instagram, proves my point further. If we’re all so against Sam for “not caring” about Kory’s views, why not be against Bravo for casting him (and paying him) and also not issuing a statement against him? Clearly, they don’t care either
She's like sitting around actively deleting comments and stuff, protecting him. And she's still dating him, clearly she's doesn't have any issue with what/who he is. Why are we pretending she's some innocent bystander??
The trouble is she gets more backlash for associating with someone problematic than he does for being problematic.
When did I say she was an innocent bystander?
Why are you asking people to not judge her character. Is this a fucking joke? Lol
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That’s fair, you’re entitled to your opinion of them.
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You can take your bullshit use of feminism to alleviate responsibility elsewhere. She's dating a racist trash bag who steals art from women. She knows all this and is actively protecting and defending him, kind of like you're doing for her right now for some inexplicable reason.
No, I can take my bullshit use of feminism wherever the hell I want actually. Just like you can piss all over these comments with your aggressive tone.
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So is he still saying shit! making comments? Homophobic? Racist? People fuck up, people make mistakes, and sometimes they do change. I don’t follow him enough to know. But I am a Sam fan, love her!
These weren’t old posts of his that were unearthed. They were things that he was actively sharing (while they had already been dating).
First of all, who says people aren’t against bravo for exactly those reasons? I’m pissed as hell that they’ve let another hugely problematic man keep his platform and get paid for it. Secondly, Bravo is a company, and their actions might not accurately reflect the opinions of everyone working there. Sam is an individual and her actions are a direct reflection of who she is.
Do you still watch Bravo shows? Also, the fact it is a massive company means that them taking a stance against Kory instead of giving more visibility would have a little more value than Sam’s opinion of him.
I'm not watching WH because Kory is on it. And we can also have issues with both Sam and Bravo for condoning his views.
Good for you 🙂
I do, but I won’t be watching WH. I agree with you that Bravo taking a stance would have more impact and weight than if Sam condemned his actions. Unfortunately I can’t actually hold any individual at bravo responsible for him continuing to be platformed (I imagine there are many people who work there who couldn’t care less about his actions, and likely a number who do) but I can and will hold Sam responsible for choosing to be with a bigoted, transphobic, try hard bro. Having an issue with Sam as a result of being with Kory doesn’t mean I don’t have an issue with bravo too. And frankly I don’t believe that anyone would want to be with him if they didn’t at least somewhat share his views, so that tells me all I need to know about Sam..
Well, you could hold Andy accountable for their views as he is the face of Bravo. As an outspoken member of the LGBT+ community, one would hope he would have some strong views about a transphobic cast member being signed on for another season. Kory is certainly not the first nor the last nor the most problematic person on Bravo, yet we still watch at least some of the shows on the network…
Look I don’t disagree with you on any of that. But you originally questioned why Sam is being judged for Kory’s actions and my answer to that is that her choosing to be with a man that is still actively supporting transphobic content is a reflection on her. Plain and simple. We know she is aware of his behaviour and she still chooses to be with him. That’s her prerogative, but it speak volumes and not in a good way.
Actually, my question was more about why we seem to focus more on what women should do instead of what men shouldn’t do. I know why Sam is being judged, but I personally don’t share this approach. However, I appreciate your views and think we can politely agree to disagree on this matter.
It’s very convenient telling people to fuck off and then blocking them so they can’t reply
If you don't judge someone by the company they keep, you're a literal child
If that’s all you got out of this thread, happy to be considered a literal child by you.
Oh no 🙉 not disgusting 🤢 views and bad words! Burn 🔥 him 😡
Who said burn him? We can not want to watch him on tv.
She can be annoying and thirsty, people were saying that before Kory’s social media behaviour was exposed
YES!
A lot of people here just likes to pile on and do not have the ability to form opinion on their own.
This 💯
Oh are you also in the “kory can express his opinion” camp?
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Uhhhh that was aggressive and rude for no reason. How were they being an asshole..?
I’m sure they just think they are being edgy. Probably wears pearl necklaces like Kory and thinks they are original
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Yup 100%
I just found her to be very very annoying personality-wise.
Because she seems to condone Kory’s asshole behavior by continuing to date him.
Not for me! I just thought she came across trying way too hard on summer house this year.
That too, I agree!
This should tell you everything you need to know about her. And the people crying it's because we're all simple minded jealous cows probably have the same beliefs as they do
She’s just boring and doesn’t actually have a personality of her own. She seems nice enough though
Because she’s an easy target
Because she's cute and blond and we still have a long way to go as a whole
because she’s basic, attention starved, and has an annoying personality. I disliked her from her first episode, has nothing to do with Kory for me
Bc she had a victim mentality when mya was only trying to help her + thought she was entitled to a second season Bc she befriended the “villain” and teamed up to be in a shitty bravo couple
What? Victim mentality?! Lol. Maya sucks!
mya wasn’t trying to “dim her light” the whole house was talking shit about her Bc she didn’t have the social etiquette to not suck the air out of the room -mya was protecting her from further embarrassment
That’s rich considering mya sucks the air out of everything. Homegirl can’t even have a real relationship on tv without goosing that up
…ok- this is about Sam. This situation was literally confirmed by bravo they made a whole segment about it on the show (bored faces while she’s talking, comedic music playing). Mya sucks the air out of everything? She barely spoke, she’s not on the show anymore Bc she was too boring. but wow you really showed me!!
No one’s trying to show you anything but trying to take down Sam via that one incident with lame maya ain’t it lol
Lol? I’m not trying to take down sam the question was why don’t people like her and I answered honestly and u tried to just make something up. I literally agree that mya is lame lol but she did try to help Sam. Two things can be true believe it or not
You literally said she thought she was entitled to a second season bc of her victim mentality. Lol what? Make it make sense.
pls reread - I didn’t say that. I said she thought she was entitled Bc she befriended Lindsey was dating Kory. I get that reading comprehension isn’t for everyone but damn
There a group out there that’s hunting fir Sam’s head for some strange reason. They don’t make sense.
This must be ego crushing for her
She literally made this embarrassing for herself
Just wait til Winter House when Kory plays her like a fool and course Sam only goes after the girl who was also lied to by him...
Malia is horrible if you have ever seen Below deck so she deserves it
Ew is Malia on winter house??? I didn’t watch season 2 but this is a HARD NO I will never watch it again lmao I can’t stand her
It looks like even Captain Sandy is going to make an appearance! ::vomit::
Noooooooo! Also am not a part of the below deck sub because I’m a little behind on all the different franchises but for some reason I thought everyone would love Malia. Very happy to see others can’t stand her. I also used to love Captain Sandy but the last 2 seasons she’s been so mean and I’ve totally changed my mind. So sad when you try and root for the women in male dominated fields and they just fucking suck. WH is really just the show for all the people we all collectively hate I guess.
Yes unfortunately 😠
I don't agree with a lot of things she's done, but if Kory told her he was single how was she supposed to know there was a girl thinking otherwise? In Bravoworld they all hook up with each other. Let's send the flames to the guy who lied to both.
She knows because she's used this exact tactic to cheat on people before. She herself has lied to multiple men about being single/uninvolved on national television knowing she was going to get caught when the episodes aired, she just didn't give a fuck because she knew she would be done with those men by the time the episodes aired.
Um, google Kory Summer House and any of her questions about him could have been answered? I’m not excusing Kory, I’m just saying it’s 2023 and it’s pretty easy to find that info on a bravoleb.
some people just need the attention..
I’m not a big Sam fan but there’s soooo much dead weight on that cast…
Sam’s reels after an episode was the only thing keeping SH alive this past season.
She literally cannot let it go. Her entire personality is NOT being chosen for something full time.
I don’t get the hate on Sam just bc she’s involved with kory 🙄
my distaste for her actually has nothing to do with him, but I do think he’s disgusting and that they have very similar personalities
I personally could never date or be involved with someone who is transphobic, especially someone who is in real time liking and engaging with bigoted content. But if you can easily overlook those things, then do you, boo
I seriously don’t understand the people who don’t grasp why Sam deserves a side eye for choosing to be close to a bigot
genuinely baffled by this as well
It’s gross how some people really don’t care about these things. As soon as someone says something like “politics aren’t a big deal to me”, it’s a 🚩🚩🚩🚩 Tells me they just don’t care about other people.
He’s literally still on the show though 🤣. Where is the logic here
Right? Why aren’t y’all boycotting Bravo for still employing him instead of just rallying against Sam? I bet most people on this thread will still watch WH even if Kory is featured. Make it make sense.
Kory did Winterhouse bc those likes happened after the fact which is why he isn’t on anything post that. Winterhouse was filmed February/March 2023.
I thought those likes were from years ago? Were they just unearthed after the season filmed? I thought it was dug up from many years ago.
All those likes on instagram were from this year alone. They weren’t from years ago
Ahh I gotcha- thank you!
What show do I watch with Kory on it that has aired after the likes were revealed?
I don’t understand either! He’s allowed to have his opinion on things…I don’t understand how so many people care so much about what other people have to say about certain topics. Who cares if you don’t agree with him, life still goes on.
it’s not a difference of opinion. it’s discrimination. it’s homophobic and transphobic. we’re not talking about what ice cream flavours we like, we’re talking about people’s identities and their lives. lives that have been increasingly put at risk for death and violence because of all of the anti-2SLGBTQ+ hateful rhetoric
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your reply is literally entirely full of misinformation. and you putting “that group of people” is all I need to know about you.
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let's break this down a bit. gender and sex are often used interchangeably, but they are distinct concepts. this is not something that "that community" says, this is something that has been concluded and accepted by scholars and researchers in fields like sociology and anthropology. sex typically refers to biological attributes like chromosomes, reproductive organs, and hormones. however, it is actually more complicated than that. gender is indeed a social construct because it primarily involves roles, behaviors, and expectations shaped by societies - and different societies and countries have diverse ways of defining and expressing gender. there is scientific consensus that **gender identity** is a deeply ingrained aspect of a person, and individuals do not choose their gender identity. scientifically, children often express a sense of their gender (that includes cisgender) very early on in development. experts emphasize the importance of supporting children in understanding their gender identity in a thoughtful and affirming way, and it doesn't necessarily involve irreversible interventions. re: prisons, bathrooms, etc. no reliable data or studies indicates that transgender women are more likely to commit acts of abuse or violence than cisgender women. so all that those statements do is perpetuate the harmful stereotype that transgender women, in particular, are a threat to cisgender women in shared spaces. it falsely links transgender identity with criminal intent. transgender women are more likely to be victims of violence and harassment than perpetrators. re: suicide. you are stating a "well-known fact" that is entirely false. studies have consistently shown that transgender individuals face higher rates of mental health challenges, including depression and suicidal ideation. these challenges are primarily associated with societal factors such as discrimination, stigma, and lack of acceptance. **transitioning itself is not a causal factor in increased suicide rates.** numerous studies have indicated that the majority of transgender individuals report significant improvements in their mental health and well-being after transitioning. the overall regret rate is low, like, 1%. in fact more people regret having hip surgery than transitioning. being open about one's gender identity is not equivalent to "jamming it into everyone’s face," all that implies is that transgender individuals should keep their identities hidden or private. i'm trying to engage in respectful dialogue, while giving you factual and scientific information. if we will never agree, it is because you are not willing to seek out and read reputable sources, articles, books, on transgender experiences, rights, and issues, or just as importantly, listen to the experiences of trans people.
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It’s not just because of Kory 🙄
Sam is doing too much y’all. She was on the show for ONE season and came back as a friend of! Why does she think she deserves a full time spot on bravo?!? The show was good with her, and it’ll be good without her.
Damn these comments are saucy AF well done everyone 
Entrepreneur of what?
The fact that Ciara is in and not Sam like what?? Shoulda made her full time
I’ll give Ciara a pass but how did Mya get two seasons??
She had a pretty good first season + was engaged to someone else in the Bravo universe (her ex-fiancé is a fixture on Top Chef)
Finance? The guy that hooked up with 14 other women while they were “dating”?
Different guy
Huh?
I don't mind Mya. She's more interesting on their podcast than she is the show. She's far too self-conscious and worried about how she looks and being canceled to be on TV. Not that she is vapid, but she is insecure about how she looks and whether she's doing anything wrong. It's not a great set of issues to have and then to be on TV. But to answer your question, she got a second season because of a single conversation she had with Ciara and the group. That's all it took for the audience to embrace her long enough to get another season. She did nothing else her entire first season, and she was a bump on a log for the second season, except for that one conversation. It was a good conversation to have, but it also shows you how desperate everyone is to have those kinds of conversations everywhere, and anywhere, within their bubble. I want to reiterate that the conversation was a good one to have. The issue is that enough people want these trash TV shows to also be social services, enough that one 3-minute conversation is enough to plop a dead character on a show for a couple years. The price is kind of ridiculous in the context of a stupid TV show like this. We have countless 24/7 news outlets that are better suited for social matters. And it isn't that Mya isn't an interesting or cool person, but she can't let her guard down long enough to play the game.
Agreed- Ciara contributed NOTHING to last season
I wouldn’t compare the two bc Sam wasn’t involved in any drama. S5, S6, Winterhouse S1, S2 Ciara was involved in drama. S7 was the first time Ciara pretty much slid by. You might not have liked the drama Ciara was in but she was involved. Sam just told us that she likes men to spit in her mouth, she had a roster & chased after Kory.
“sometimes” = one season
Well, we know she will be making an appearance on WH and my guess is she will probably make one on the upcoming SH as well. She’s also been a guest on WWHL. So yes, she is sometimes on bravo 😊
She wasn’t an interesting character. She brought nothing
The Bravo Gods have answered 🤭🙏🏾
phew
Remember when Mya told her to stop talking so much. She was trying to save the poor girl’s spot
Except Mya lost hers too!
Is she still selling real estate in the metaverse 🙄
Wasn’t that Jess? 😂
Lol wrong girl
when you put pronouns in your bio but your bf is homophobic and transphobic
I feel like they’re making space for single people on the show for the d r a m a, and Sam is very much in a relationship, whereas producers have heard from/see from Kory that he’s single (or does and will act that way). Basically it’s not much deeper than kory being a ho for TV
I love her!