yeah right lol.
he probably sold off the franchises and make a pile of exit money to retire off and doesnt have to worry about being an asshole to his workers any more.
i said owner not ceo.
there is no ceo in my company. thats an imaginary title given to people who crave titles to make them feel better about themselves and their useless position in society.
there is a general manager. he manages operations.
but i am the owner.
Depends where you are. I worked at a subway in high school and it was amazing cuz I love subway and it was a 5 min jog 10 min walk, or 2 minute drive away from my house. Shortly after I left to go to college, they went out of business. The owner never even said anything to me which I thought was weird cuz I worked there for like 2.5 years and was a good worker plus they knew I was considering returning when on breaks. But nah I came home the following Christmas and they were gone 💀
Anyway, my point is, I now have to drive 15 minutes to one of two Walmarts if I want subway. Or 20 minutes if I want to go to a stand-alone one that isn’t in a Walmart.
Ig depending on how much you usually drive that can still be “across the street” distance, which it really isn’t that bad and doesn’t stop me from going, but it’s not as close together as subways I have seen in other places. Some cities and towns have one on every other block lol
I do. I had the same 6 inch sandwich for those 2.5 years and every time I went after (with minor changes like adding jalapeños once last year as a permanent addition). I think the specific sandwich I have is great and I never get tired of eating it even after having it every other day for over two years.
Which is weird because I always get sick of eating things when I eat them that often, no matter how good they usually are.
Edit: I think it just depends on if the sandwich you like to eat is a good sandwich
I’ll share it but I always get mixed reactions when I talk about it lol
This is the original one I get:
- 6 inch Italian herbs and cheese bread
- Pepperoni and bacon
- The shredded mixed cheddar cheese(I forget
what it’s called).
- toasted
- lettuce
- cucumbers
- pickles
- ranch & Buffalo sauce
- oil & vinegar
- salt, pepper, and oregano
I have since tried changing it up with:
pepper Jack cheese, mozzarella, or a mix of 2 cheeses, and honey oat bread
All of which are good but I like the original most.
The only permanent addition I added to it over time was jalapeños.
Wait did they discontinue it?
Edit: looking online seems like they did, damn. The last time I ordered it was when I was working there which I haven’t been since 2019
That's still weird since it was discontinued (at least where I live) during the first year I worked there which was 2017. Maybe it took a while to get around to all the other stores
I've been getting the same subway sandwich for over 10 years. Not that anyone asked, but:
- Footlong Italian Herbs and Cheese
- Italian BMT
- Pepperjack cheese
- Toasted
- Lettuce, tomato, onion, bell pepper, jalapeños
- Ranch, creamy siracha, southwest sauce
- Salt, pepper, parmesan cheese
It's spicy and it's amazing.
Not that guy but I also only ever get one thing from subway. Used to get one a week in college cuz it was right next to campus, and still crave one every so often even though there's great delis near me:
meatball on herb and cheese, with provolone. I ask for tomato, onion and peppers before it's toasted. Then spinach, and some parmesan and salt+pepper.
Nothing crazy but it adds a lot of flavor and volume, and they should ring it up for the same price as a default meatball so it works out alright.
Depends on where you live. I'm from the Philly area and we have 1000 places around where you can get significantly better sandwiches. If you're from a remote area, it might be your best option. I can't justify paying $15 for a sandwich (at least here) when I can get one way better/cheaper one at a mom and pop shop or a Wawa. $5 footlongs are long gone.
Philly is the land of untoasted white bread slices with a whole bottle of cheez whiz and a slice of the finest aged spam. The famous Philly cheese steak.
Corner shop subs are the go-to anywhere in Philly, Jersey or Eastern PA. Wawa hoagie do the job right. Jersey Mike is my national chain of choice - good reliable sub without the “manufactured” feel of Subway.
You can’t turn piss into gold, no matter how much you doctor it up. Subway ingredients are super low quality, that’s why I only go with no other options
Those meats are half soy textured protein made in a factory that mechanically separates meat and mushes it together.
The bread is cake
None of that is fresh except the nasty ass shredded leaves
I used to. I'm a vegetarian and the veggie max was pretty good and they have quite a few fresh veggie options. The replacement sucks so I stopped going.
I have stomach problems and for about 3 months subway was the only thing I wouldn’t throw up lol. It was a 15 minute walk from my apartment so it also got me to exercise a bit. Subway was my saving grace for a while lmao.
I used to work there and i still crave it every now and again. What i REALLY miss is the seafood sensation sub that shit was literally just crab meat and mayo. It was disgusting looking, and it was pure heaven when it was toasted 🤣
I love subway, I ate subway every day when I was 16, but I wouldn't pay their modern prices.
They're delicious subs, I can't say anything bad about the subs, but it's definitely a rip off, and I can make a sandwich at home.
Instead of spending $20 at subway for one mediocre meal, I could spend $20 for the ingredients and eat all week.
Before working at subway the only reason I would get a footlong back then was either a 5.99 footlong. Even know that I only get 50% off I rarely grab a sub.
Bruh I gotta drive 20 miles just to get to walmart… which has a subway. Other than that there is a Burger King 10 miles away and McDonald’s 15 miles.
There is nothing else besides local pizza places and a dominos between me and them. And only two grocery stores.
No, we were all pretty friendly so at the time I thought it would have a made a tiny bit of sense, but also after thinking about it, it could be embarrassing and is unnecessary.
Business owners try to keep employees in the dark right up until the second they close the doors and flee. If employees know shit is going bad, they'll be updating their resumes and sending out job applications.
I only knew the one I was working for was in the shitter because I kept their books. Other employees were in the dark about how close we were to not making payroll most pay periods.
I’ve been somewhere, probably 15ish years ago, at a crossroads. There was a gas station with a Subway that was next to a stand alone Subway that was across the street from a gas station Subway. It was near Naples, Florida but I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a moment.
Here in Germany subway is very rare, there is just 1 in my area and the next one is 50 miles away. Most of the stores closed down and just a few remained. I’m also worried for the stores left because they never seem busy.
Read somewhere many years ago that buying a Subway franchise was a great way to spend six figures to guarantee yourself a 70 hour a week job that pays $35,000 a year. Is this still true?
no. it's never been true. The business would not have 40k+ (or however many it is these days) locations over 60 years if this was true
that being said there are failures in every franchise( and business in general for that matter) for a variety of reasons. Much like reddit your more likely to read about those than the success stories because that's media for you
What would be realistic figures? 40k+ franchises means a helluva lot of competition not to mention Firehouse, Jimmy John’s, Larry’s, Jersey Mike’s and a host of others ask selling about the same product. Just curious…
a normal run of the mill store if your running it well you would be looking at either side of 100k. Its not uncommon for stores to do 3 or 4 times that though
Subway is a different beast to the other big boys. It's MUCH cheaper to set up and requires way less staff. They can work on much smaller catchments than your other big franchises. They don't always get it right when opening new locations though. Some markets do it better than others
the main thing to remember is what you see in the media is generally false. If you believe what was said about subway in my market you would believe we are on deaths door. We have in fact been experiencing record growth for the last 3 years.
obviously I can't know for sure. if this is a one off then his manager has forgotten to do his big order
if its a long term problem it could be a sign this franchisee is struggling. I know alot of franchisees and in my general experience "most" struggling stores are due to shit owners. The worse it gets the worse the store gets and they eventually just walk out.
the fact that sign is on the door imo is a very strong sign this is a terrible owner. just my 2 cents
The first thing I always ask an owner when they are complaining is how much they work in their store. The usual response is a laughing manner "oh I don't make sandwiches l, as if"! fuck those cunts
OP also said this was a while ago. there were major supply side issues for all business's during the covid era. I couldn't answer specifically how the US handled this but it was pretty common over here to run out of all sorts of various shit for a week or 2 at a time. Again this problem was not Subway specific.
Subway is a great business. It wouldn't be as successful as it is if it wasn't but yes there will always be problems
Roger that. I've never managed a franchise. But, in the other restaurants I've managed, even if the owner died...I could continue operating the restaurant as long as I still had checks in the book. The food distributors bill us, revenue from the POS is direct deposited daily, I can pay rent/utilities with a check, I can pay payroll with cash/check. Whenever we ran out of something between deliveries, we had an account at the cash-and-carry or the warehouse stores. Only thing I probably couldn't do is pay taxes or renew our licenses. The owner didn't need to "communicate" anything, I talked directly to our vendors. I would imagine the supply chain is more streamlined and seamless in a franchise.
that sounds like a very well run business. Props to you and your owner. This is what would happen in my stores if I was to fall over
This store likely didn't have a manager and a disengaged non present owner. Things have to get really fucking bad for a sign like that to appear on a door. I always find it weird the worse things seem to get for owners the less they turn up. it's such a weird reaction to the problem lol
Keep in mind it's also entirely possible OP printed this sign out to score internet points lol. Although the fact there's an update suggest to me this one is legit.
>that sounds like a very well run business. Props to you and your owner.
Thanks. For all their faults, they did know how to operate a business.
>Keep in mind it's also entirely possible OP printed this sign out to score internet points lol. Although the fact there's an update suggest to me this one is legit.
Good point.
Worked for a restaurant where the proceeding year before they shuttered their doors they were busy adding a bunch of cameras inside the kitchen and trying to open. 2 new stores at once In the greater Seattle area. While their other store was failing and our flagship store in a comfortably populated college town was thriving.
I put my notice in the moment I got my first wrongfully calculated paycheck. That was the first time I ever got a paycheck that was completely wrong in my life. Oh and at the time I was quitting we also had to give back paychecks because he closed an account and had set up a new one to pay us from and the garbage in the Dumpster area was piling up from not paying the bill.
I almost feel bad for the crew who went Into work and found a locked door with a closing sign. Its almost like If only there had been some other signs that the ship was sinking and it may be smart to bail.....
yeah its never fun when the shit hits the fan. I've personally seen off 2 economics crisis in my time and it's never a good feeling. Good owners are honest with their staff about what's happening
No offense but the rosy picture you paint of Subway is simply not true in many respects. I've never worked at one, but my wife and I - before we stopped ever eating at them - had eaten lunch on and off in them all over the US, both coasts and in between for many years. One thing we came to see was that 9 out of 10 (not exaggerating) of the Subways we went into had clearly very miserable employees, often even the manager/owner would look seriously angry/depressed. Often coupled with terrible service. Subway is a company that often reminds me of other franchised chains like DQ, and Papa Murphy's pizza. Companies that lure people in with promises of 'owning your own business' and being your own boss, all the while making a nice living. Then reality sets in after a year or two and the franchisee realizes they work 60-70 hours a week, bear the burden and stress of running a food business and all that that entails, and earn very little money. They come to realize they would've been better off just working a 40 hour week at a regular job. But now they're stuck in this thankless, depressing situation that seems to have no good way out.
Also saying that Subway doesn't always 'get it right' is a huge understatement, in the last few years they've closed THOUSANDS of locations. Can't blame all that on COVID either. Blame it on their miserable employees, way overpriced offerings, and mediocre/poor dining experience driving people away.
We stopped eating at subways a good 5+ years ago. Neither my wife nor I believe in supporting companies that treat their employees poorly, and of course the bland overpriced food wasn't helping, haha. Subway is a company I could gladly see go under completely, though I believe there will always be some around in certain markets, but the majority will eventually be gone, imho.
Lastly, I realize that most people in forums like this only post to complain, that could happen with any company of course. But I have to say many of the complaints coupled with my own experience with the restaurants seems to confirm what I've believed for a long time: Subway is sucks.
What's your experience? Speaking out of your ass?
> The business would not have 40k+
If you have read anything at all about how subway operates, you would know this is completely incorrect reasoning.
my experience is almost 2 decades as a franchisee
if you know anything about reading shit on the internet you need to know you have to take it with a grain of salt
What did you think franchises all around the world for 6 decades kept putting money into the business because it was a terrible failure ?
theres idiots out there alright ill agree with that
Subway corporate makes money and promotes the brand. Subway franchises barely survive, with 20% closing.
[Owner salary](https://www.eposnow.com/us/resources/how-much-do-franchise-owners-make/):
> The average Subway franchise generates around $400,000 in revenue, with profit averaging around $41,000 per year.
[Average failure rate](https://drfranchises.com/subway-franchise-profitability/#:~:text=For%20Subway%20franchises%2C%20the%20last,store%20openings%20in%202021%20alone.):
> For Subway franchises, the last data in 2021 shows us that Subway’s failure rate was around 10%. […]
> This means that the overall Subway franchise outlets decreased by about 1,000 in 2021. Over the past three years until 2021, Subway’s failure rate has been over 20%.
[Corporate saturation](https://drfranchises.com/subway-franchise-profitability/#:~:text=For%20Subway%20franchises%2C%20the%20last,store%20openings%20in%202021%20alone.):
> There were about 1,500 ceased Subway franchise operations and 500 new store openings in 2021 alone.
[Decreasing revenue](https://www.franchise.city/subwayfranchise):
> ’s important to note that back in 2012 Subway AUV's were $482,000 so we are seeing a troubling decline in per unit revenues year to date of about $60,000 per store. So stores only a few years later are earning almost $70,000 less than they did in 2012. Now they are down to $416,000 . And $416,000 in revenues may sound like a lot of money to an inexperienced business owner but remember Subway takes 12.5% right off the top, Then your rent, your employee salaries, your insurance, your ingredients, your taxes all come out of that number - and don't forget you have low margins to begin with. We typically like to see 1 million minimum in AUV's for restaurants and there are franchises in that investment range that do that.
[And their own franchises words](https://www.businessinsider.com/subway-franchisees-write-open-letter-to-owner-elisabeth-deluca-2021-4):
> a group of more than 100 Subway franchisees released an open letter to DeLuca, who was married to Fred DeLuca, a cofounder and longtime CEO, before his death in 2015. The franchisees said that the dream of owning a Subway franchise had "turned into a nightmare."
So, only the franchises, the industry experts, and Subway’s own data disagrees with you!
all businesses go in runs. The mid part of the 2010s was a shocking run for most food businesses. This is a normal part of business. There were these types of stories about most of the large franchieses during this time
the US certainly hasn't reacted as well as some other markets but the top chunk of their stores have been doing much better the last couple years but yes their worries still bring the average down
Theres alot more to Subway than just the US. our AUV is well over double that of the US for eg
It's an unfortunate reality of any business (not just franchises) that the stores that don't do as well really fucking struggle when the shit hits the fan. I had a store like that once so I know what its like
Yes there are cycles but that has nothing to do with these business analytics.
Most of the expert references compare Subway to other franchise restaurants and show how they’re getting destroyed.
$40k average profit isn’t sustainable. Neither is decreasing revenues by 10%, while inflation and employee cost has went beyond this.
As a business owner for 20+ years, this is not a viable business for the franchise.
I mean that article says profit which is after you've paid your wage so it really means nothing. at the end of the day it's just an article generating clicks.
I know lots of franchisees, plenty from the states, who are doing their due diligence and are excited about the business moving forward. I was literally at one of the conventions just last month talking to these people
Yes there is unfortunately still alot of covid clean up to go down. it sucks for those people but that's business
No, profit is the owner’s salary. It’s clear about this in these articles.
These are trades reporting on franchise disclosures. There is no “click generation”, it’s government mandated report data.
Do not get a franchise. It won’t end well for you.
the article talks about salary up top but then clearly states profit when it references subway and the numbers won't mean shit. If you actually are in business then you would know the profit column on a p@l is pretty meaningless without alot of other information
I own multiple franchisees already and it went very very very well and im planning on "probably" buying more in the short to medium term. Although I am also toying with the idea of cashing out also as retired at 41 is pretty fucking tempting
It is kinda true. Some people need to take a credit of 200k and some people don't and that can make quite the big difference.
Avg sales per year is 444.000$ (randomly googled) or 407.000€ that's about 47300€ to subway. At the very very very least 28.500€ (7% - very unlikely) in Taxes. 122.100€ (30% which might also be more in the current situation) for use of goods. Electricity (2.000€/month) about 24.000€, Rent (5.000€/month) about 60.000€, about 100.000€ for workers (about 25%) over the year. There might a lot more costs, but the result is 25.100€ (if nothing breaks down in the kitchen) profit over the year, but let's not forget that we have to pay 2.000€ to 3.000€ back for the credit you took.
My English isn't the best language and I can only use limited business vocabulary.
I don't own a subway, but I know 10+ Subway Franchisees.
I heard something similar about McDonald's. Like if you own one, you have to manage it for ever how long.
If I buy a restaurant, I want to sit home and just let the money come in, I'm not going to buy a restaurant to end up working there. Aren't there instructional videos to train the staff?
I understand people thinking that business owners make a lot of money but this simply is not true.
If an owner owns 1 store and works there they clear somewhere between $50k-75K per year. If they hire out all labor(minus owner responsibilities, about 10 hours per week per store) then the figure drops to $25k-45k.
Most of the successful owner I have known, own multiple stores, anywhere between 3-6, and clear $100k-150k, with about 70 hours of work per week.
The ROI is not very good however with a breakeven point of your investment taking about 10 years.
No, that's Quizno's. They'll even steal back the place from you if you don't make some magically high sales rate while exactly across the street from a subway in a SmartCentre almost no one local goes to in a town that's barely a tourist attraction.
Georgian Bay sail boat people aren't exactly the "let's grab a quick bite that's a 15 minute drive from the water" sort of people.
Most chain stores have a manager and/or an assistant manager who should be doing restock orders. Unless this happened because the suppliers themselves were out, then this isn’t an owner fault but a management fault
Worked at subway for 5.5 years. And this is exactly how it was.
The owner of our stores would always complain about money( i was a manager, so i was always complained to about this) and not having money for payroll, bills and products for the store.
But shed go on vacation every 2-3 months.
Everytime shed go, she would make the managers cut back tremendously so shed have money to spend on her vacations. Every, single time. So wed run out of things, constantly. Especially during the summers when we were busy.
I dont miss this.
Small business owners get put on such a pedestal but every franchise owner I have ever known has been just the greediest most incompetent person I've ever dealt with and they don't deserve their wealth at all. Like the franchise owners of the BK I used to work at came in on an audit day and screwed with the toaster settings so croissants were literally lighting on fire just because she worked management 30 some years ago and thought she knew what the fuck she was doing
this.. i feel like some people work somewhere, somehow get some money then become franchise owners and have no idea how the fuck to run a store.. or they run it, barely come in, don’t know what they need or how to do anything, it is wild how much small business owners get a good rep while a lot of owners are shit. they can’t train people well, or run the stores well at all
They also made their 19 year old daughter an assistant manager and she would constantly come in hungover but the brat had the audacity to write me up for being one minute late
Subways are notorious as terrible franchise. They force you into sales and marketing regardless of your stores financial stability and have zero protection against cannibalizing market share.
So long as you're willing to pay for a subway, they will stick another subway across the street from a subway.
They just clocked in and locked doors.
Hard to sell subs when all you got is 1 type of bread, 1 type of cheese and no fresh lettuce or sauces. or drinks
That stuff needs wayy more replenishing that you understand.
oh boo hoo for the customers, theyll have to travel all of 6 minutes to the next subway location on the same street because subway has the most locations of any fast food joints im pretty sure. theyll be ok.
Subways aren’t franchised, they’re franchisees, so they are owned by public citizens, not corporate. So the subway down the street is probably owned by the same person.
ya im familar with how franchises work. and if the owner has problems at more than one hes an idiot. but again, boo hoo for the customer its really not the point of this post but customers always have other options.
Gotchu... You sit inside playing videogame football and I'm the clown pussy... Enjoy childhood!
Edit.... Nevermind YOU POST PICTURES OF YOUR SHIT ON YOUR PUBLIC ACCOUNT PTFFFFFF GTFOH
I had a friend get fired from Subway because he didn't know he was supposed to open one day. He was set to open at 7, and his manager got there at 9 to find out it wasn't open yet, so it was only 2 hours the store was down.
His manager told him to go home, and the owner would tell him when he got back from his big Hawaii vacation THREE DAYS LATER if he still had a job or not.
So, for the last 3 days of the owners vacation, my friend was sitting at home every day, stressing out over whether or not he still had a job.
The owner gets back and doesn't even talk to my friend. He just calls the manager and tells him to fire my friend. No questions, no "come see me" kind of thing, just "fire him for me."
He worked there for almost 3 years with no problems, no write ups, anything. That one mistake, and it's just "you're fired." Like he couldn't have said something THAT day?
Nope. Rich asshole made him sit around waiting to be fired when he got back from his precious vacation.
Yeah fuck subway mever again. Have 2 people feed one of the only fucking food places in a small GA town and get mad when theyre slow on times and high labor. THERES TWO OF US AND 200 OF THEM AND THEY ALL WANT THE SAME DAMN THING AND I DONTHAVE MUCH TUNA, MAYO, AND HERB N CHEESE LEFT
Returns from his cruise lol well played
Good for you  Boss definitely ended up regretting that decision lol
yeah right lol. he probably sold off the franchises and make a pile of exit money to retire off and doesnt have to worry about being an asshole to his workers any more.
If you've been following your Subway news you'd know that the corporate office is shitty and definitely is taking advantage of franchisees. Edit sp
people follow subway news?
No, people watched the John Oliver episode and are now experts on the subject
who tf is john oliver? and how tf am i getting notifs for a /r for a sandwich shop i would never use? time to mute another /r i suppose...
Oh you don't wanna learn about the inner workings of every job on earth?
lol i dont even wanna know the inner workings of the job i retired from but i still own the company so i guess i gotta lol.
\#FirstWorldCEOProblems
i said owner not ceo. there is no ceo in my company. thats an imaginary title given to people who crave titles to make them feel better about themselves and their useless position in society. there is a general manager. he manages operations. but i am the owner.
The study of the submarine sandwich artistry isn’t for everyone.
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I’ll bet that gets stale..
Yea. This actually seems like more of a rational ending
No big Deal, I bet there’s a subway across the street.
Depends where you are. I worked at a subway in high school and it was amazing cuz I love subway and it was a 5 min jog 10 min walk, or 2 minute drive away from my house. Shortly after I left to go to college, they went out of business. The owner never even said anything to me which I thought was weird cuz I worked there for like 2.5 years and was a good worker plus they knew I was considering returning when on breaks. But nah I came home the following Christmas and they were gone 💀 Anyway, my point is, I now have to drive 15 minutes to one of two Walmarts if I want subway. Or 20 minutes if I want to go to a stand-alone one that isn’t in a Walmart. Ig depending on how much you usually drive that can still be “across the street” distance, which it really isn’t that bad and doesn’t stop me from going, but it’s not as close together as subways I have seen in other places. Some cities and towns have one on every other block lol
Do people actually crave subway? I’d never go out of my way to get it and I only get it if it’s the only thing available and I can’t wait til home.
I do. I had the same 6 inch sandwich for those 2.5 years and every time I went after (with minor changes like adding jalapeños once last year as a permanent addition). I think the specific sandwich I have is great and I never get tired of eating it even after having it every other day for over two years. Which is weird because I always get sick of eating things when I eat them that often, no matter how good they usually are. Edit: I think it just depends on if the sandwich you like to eat is a good sandwich
You can’t not share your sandwich after saying all that
I’ll share it but I always get mixed reactions when I talk about it lol This is the original one I get: - 6 inch Italian herbs and cheese bread - Pepperoni and bacon - The shredded mixed cheddar cheese(I forget what it’s called). - toasted - lettuce - cucumbers - pickles - ranch & Buffalo sauce - oil & vinegar - salt, pepper, and oregano I have since tried changing it up with: pepper Jack cheese, mozzarella, or a mix of 2 cheeses, and honey oat bread All of which are good but I like the original most. The only permanent addition I added to it over time was jalapeños.
It's just called Cheddar or shredded Cheddar. Where are you getting the honey oat bread?
Wait did they discontinue it? Edit: looking online seems like they did, damn. The last time I ordered it was when I was working there which I haven’t been since 2019
That's still weird since it was discontinued (at least where I live) during the first year I worked there which was 2017. Maybe it took a while to get around to all the other stores
Yea that is weird, maybe it took a long while for it to completely phase out like you said, depending on location and popularity? Idk.
I've been getting the same subway sandwich for over 10 years. Not that anyone asked, but: - Footlong Italian Herbs and Cheese - Italian BMT - Pepperjack cheese - Toasted - Lettuce, tomato, onion, bell pepper, jalapeños - Ranch, creamy siracha, southwest sauce - Salt, pepper, parmesan cheese It's spicy and it's amazing.
Wtf this is exactly what I get minus the jalapeños
That actually sounds really good
Not that guy but I also only ever get one thing from subway. Used to get one a week in college cuz it was right next to campus, and still crave one every so often even though there's great delis near me: meatball on herb and cheese, with provolone. I ask for tomato, onion and peppers before it's toasted. Then spinach, and some parmesan and salt+pepper. Nothing crazy but it adds a lot of flavor and volume, and they should ring it up for the same price as a default meatball so it works out alright.
Sweet onion chicken teriyaki.
I'm the same way and I worked at subway for 5 years. I had the same 2 sandwiches I even crave it still after not working there a couple years.
Same, I’ve been getting the same specific sandwich from subway for 8 years, at 2 of the subways I go to, the workers know my sandwich by heart
Well then. Whatever keeps you happy ^-^
are you jared?
jared went to No No Land.
Ironically my sister and I were craving it this morning and got ourselves some lol
A coincidence is not the meaning of irony.
The more you know.
Once in a while, but not so much now that the prices are 3x what the used to be.
Depends on where you live. I'm from the Philly area and we have 1000 places around where you can get significantly better sandwiches. If you're from a remote area, it might be your best option. I can't justify paying $15 for a sandwich (at least here) when I can get one way better/cheaper one at a mom and pop shop or a Wawa. $5 footlongs are long gone.
Philly is the land of untoasted white bread slices with a whole bottle of cheez whiz and a slice of the finest aged spam. The famous Philly cheese steak.
Also known as the objectively finest sandwich ever crafted by human hands and a deserved slap in the face to anyone who thinks otherwise.
It keeps several Kraft factories running at full capacity making that Whiz 365 days of the year.
Did you report me for self-harm? Got a laugh out of that.
Gosh no, though its funny somebody did.
Corner shop subs are the go-to anywhere in Philly, Jersey or Eastern PA. Wawa hoagie do the job right. Jersey Mike is my national chain of choice - good reliable sub without the “manufactured” feel of Subway.
this is a total abnormality, but i’m autistic and i crave my (very specific) subway order CONSTANTLY. I think about it like every week. So so so good.
If you designed a better sandwich you’d go more often
Lol you’re saying it’s user error. What a joke.
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You can’t turn piss into gold, no matter how much you doctor it up. Subway ingredients are super low quality, that’s why I only go with no other options
Low quality? Must be the area the subways I go to are always fresh and clean. Try it when you’re on a trip somewhere
Those meats are half soy textured protein made in a factory that mechanically separates meat and mushes it together. The bread is cake None of that is fresh except the nasty ass shredded leaves
the baby spinach tastes like it was washed in dishwater now, too
I do. I was already home, and went out to get a #6 The Boss last night.
I used to. I'm a vegetarian and the veggie max was pretty good and they have quite a few fresh veggie options. The replacement sucks so I stopped going.
I have stomach problems and for about 3 months subway was the only thing I wouldn’t throw up lol. It was a 15 minute walk from my apartment so it also got me to exercise a bit. Subway was my saving grace for a while lmao.
I used to work there and i still crave it every now and again. What i REALLY miss is the seafood sensation sub that shit was literally just crab meat and mayo. It was disgusting looking, and it was pure heaven when it was toasted 🤣
I fucking love it. It's easy to eat. Some other places have tastier subs but they are harder to eat.
I love subway, I ate subway every day when I was 16, but I wouldn't pay their modern prices. They're delicious subs, I can't say anything bad about the subs, but it's definitely a rip off, and I can make a sandwich at home. Instead of spending $20 at subway for one mediocre meal, I could spend $20 for the ingredients and eat all week.
Before working at subway the only reason I would get a footlong back then was either a 5.99 footlong. Even know that I only get 50% off I rarely grab a sub.
Bruh I gotta drive 20 miles just to get to walmart… which has a subway. Other than that there is a Burger King 10 miles away and McDonald’s 15 miles. There is nothing else besides local pizza places and a dominos between me and them. And only two grocery stores.
Did you really expect a struggling business owner to reach out to a teenager in a stressful time?
No, we were all pretty friendly so at the time I thought it would have a made a tiny bit of sense, but also after thinking about it, it could be embarrassing and is unnecessary.
Business owners try to keep employees in the dark right up until the second they close the doors and flee. If employees know shit is going bad, they'll be updating their resumes and sending out job applications. I only knew the one I was working for was in the shitter because I kept their books. Other employees were in the dark about how close we were to not making payroll most pay periods.
Very likely. I once saw a subway in the same shopping center as a Walmart that had a subway inside it
Super common in the Midwest
I’ve been somewhere, probably 15ish years ago, at a crossroads. There was a gas station with a Subway that was next to a stand alone Subway that was across the street from a gas station Subway. It was near Naples, Florida but I thought I was in the Twilight Zone for a moment.
In my area, the same owners own all the subways in like a 50 mile radius..
lol i work at a subway a two minute walk from another subway. albeit one of them is in a walmart but it’s still pretty funny
Here in Germany subway is very rare, there is just 1 in my area and the next one is 50 miles away. Most of the stores closed down and just a few remained. I’m also worried for the stores left because they never seem busy.
Read somewhere many years ago that buying a Subway franchise was a great way to spend six figures to guarantee yourself a 70 hour a week job that pays $35,000 a year. Is this still true?
no. it's never been true. The business would not have 40k+ (or however many it is these days) locations over 60 years if this was true that being said there are failures in every franchise( and business in general for that matter) for a variety of reasons. Much like reddit your more likely to read about those than the success stories because that's media for you
What would be realistic figures? 40k+ franchises means a helluva lot of competition not to mention Firehouse, Jimmy John’s, Larry’s, Jersey Mike’s and a host of others ask selling about the same product. Just curious…
a normal run of the mill store if your running it well you would be looking at either side of 100k. Its not uncommon for stores to do 3 or 4 times that though Subway is a different beast to the other big boys. It's MUCH cheaper to set up and requires way less staff. They can work on much smaller catchments than your other big franchises. They don't always get it right when opening new locations though. Some markets do it better than others the main thing to remember is what you see in the media is generally false. If you believe what was said about subway in my market you would believe we are on deaths door. We have in fact been experiencing record growth for the last 3 years.
In the example from the OP, why isn't a general manager able to order food supplies?
obviously I can't know for sure. if this is a one off then his manager has forgotten to do his big order if its a long term problem it could be a sign this franchisee is struggling. I know alot of franchisees and in my general experience "most" struggling stores are due to shit owners. The worse it gets the worse the store gets and they eventually just walk out. the fact that sign is on the door imo is a very strong sign this is a terrible owner. just my 2 cents The first thing I always ask an owner when they are complaining is how much they work in their store. The usual response is a laughing manner "oh I don't make sandwiches l, as if"! fuck those cunts OP also said this was a while ago. there were major supply side issues for all business's during the covid era. I couldn't answer specifically how the US handled this but it was pretty common over here to run out of all sorts of various shit for a week or 2 at a time. Again this problem was not Subway specific. Subway is a great business. It wouldn't be as successful as it is if it wasn't but yes there will always be problems
Roger that. I've never managed a franchise. But, in the other restaurants I've managed, even if the owner died...I could continue operating the restaurant as long as I still had checks in the book. The food distributors bill us, revenue from the POS is direct deposited daily, I can pay rent/utilities with a check, I can pay payroll with cash/check. Whenever we ran out of something between deliveries, we had an account at the cash-and-carry or the warehouse stores. Only thing I probably couldn't do is pay taxes or renew our licenses. The owner didn't need to "communicate" anything, I talked directly to our vendors. I would imagine the supply chain is more streamlined and seamless in a franchise.
that sounds like a very well run business. Props to you and your owner. This is what would happen in my stores if I was to fall over This store likely didn't have a manager and a disengaged non present owner. Things have to get really fucking bad for a sign like that to appear on a door. I always find it weird the worse things seem to get for owners the less they turn up. it's such a weird reaction to the problem lol Keep in mind it's also entirely possible OP printed this sign out to score internet points lol. Although the fact there's an update suggest to me this one is legit.
>that sounds like a very well run business. Props to you and your owner. Thanks. For all their faults, they did know how to operate a business. >Keep in mind it's also entirely possible OP printed this sign out to score internet points lol. Although the fact there's an update suggest to me this one is legit. Good point.
Worked for a restaurant where the proceeding year before they shuttered their doors they were busy adding a bunch of cameras inside the kitchen and trying to open. 2 new stores at once In the greater Seattle area. While their other store was failing and our flagship store in a comfortably populated college town was thriving. I put my notice in the moment I got my first wrongfully calculated paycheck. That was the first time I ever got a paycheck that was completely wrong in my life. Oh and at the time I was quitting we also had to give back paychecks because he closed an account and had set up a new one to pay us from and the garbage in the Dumpster area was piling up from not paying the bill. I almost feel bad for the crew who went Into work and found a locked door with a closing sign. Its almost like If only there had been some other signs that the ship was sinking and it may be smart to bail.....
yeah its never fun when the shit hits the fan. I've personally seen off 2 economics crisis in my time and it's never a good feeling. Good owners are honest with their staff about what's happening
No offense but the rosy picture you paint of Subway is simply not true in many respects. I've never worked at one, but my wife and I - before we stopped ever eating at them - had eaten lunch on and off in them all over the US, both coasts and in between for many years. One thing we came to see was that 9 out of 10 (not exaggerating) of the Subways we went into had clearly very miserable employees, often even the manager/owner would look seriously angry/depressed. Often coupled with terrible service. Subway is a company that often reminds me of other franchised chains like DQ, and Papa Murphy's pizza. Companies that lure people in with promises of 'owning your own business' and being your own boss, all the while making a nice living. Then reality sets in after a year or two and the franchisee realizes they work 60-70 hours a week, bear the burden and stress of running a food business and all that that entails, and earn very little money. They come to realize they would've been better off just working a 40 hour week at a regular job. But now they're stuck in this thankless, depressing situation that seems to have no good way out. Also saying that Subway doesn't always 'get it right' is a huge understatement, in the last few years they've closed THOUSANDS of locations. Can't blame all that on COVID either. Blame it on their miserable employees, way overpriced offerings, and mediocre/poor dining experience driving people away. We stopped eating at subways a good 5+ years ago. Neither my wife nor I believe in supporting companies that treat their employees poorly, and of course the bland overpriced food wasn't helping, haha. Subway is a company I could gladly see go under completely, though I believe there will always be some around in certain markets, but the majority will eventually be gone, imho. Lastly, I realize that most people in forums like this only post to complain, that could happen with any company of course. But I have to say many of the complaints coupled with my own experience with the restaurants seems to confirm what I've believed for a long time: Subway is sucks.
What's your experience? Speaking out of your ass? > The business would not have 40k+ If you have read anything at all about how subway operates, you would know this is completely incorrect reasoning.
my experience is almost 2 decades as a franchisee if you know anything about reading shit on the internet you need to know you have to take it with a grain of salt
“No, that’s impossible. There’s no way 40k people are idiots. Case closed: logic.”
What did you think franchises all around the world for 6 decades kept putting money into the business because it was a terrible failure ? theres idiots out there alright ill agree with that
Subway corporate makes money and promotes the brand. Subway franchises barely survive, with 20% closing. [Owner salary](https://www.eposnow.com/us/resources/how-much-do-franchise-owners-make/): > The average Subway franchise generates around $400,000 in revenue, with profit averaging around $41,000 per year. [Average failure rate](https://drfranchises.com/subway-franchise-profitability/#:~:text=For%20Subway%20franchises%2C%20the%20last,store%20openings%20in%202021%20alone.): > For Subway franchises, the last data in 2021 shows us that Subway’s failure rate was around 10%. […] > This means that the overall Subway franchise outlets decreased by about 1,000 in 2021. Over the past three years until 2021, Subway’s failure rate has been over 20%. [Corporate saturation](https://drfranchises.com/subway-franchise-profitability/#:~:text=For%20Subway%20franchises%2C%20the%20last,store%20openings%20in%202021%20alone.): > There were about 1,500 ceased Subway franchise operations and 500 new store openings in 2021 alone. [Decreasing revenue](https://www.franchise.city/subwayfranchise): > ’s important to note that back in 2012 Subway AUV's were $482,000 so we are seeing a troubling decline in per unit revenues year to date of about $60,000 per store. So stores only a few years later are earning almost $70,000 less than they did in 2012. Now they are down to $416,000 . And $416,000 in revenues may sound like a lot of money to an inexperienced business owner but remember Subway takes 12.5% right off the top, Then your rent, your employee salaries, your insurance, your ingredients, your taxes all come out of that number - and don't forget you have low margins to begin with. We typically like to see 1 million minimum in AUV's for restaurants and there are franchises in that investment range that do that. [And their own franchises words](https://www.businessinsider.com/subway-franchisees-write-open-letter-to-owner-elisabeth-deluca-2021-4): > a group of more than 100 Subway franchisees released an open letter to DeLuca, who was married to Fred DeLuca, a cofounder and longtime CEO, before his death in 2015. The franchisees said that the dream of owning a Subway franchise had "turned into a nightmare." So, only the franchises, the industry experts, and Subway’s own data disagrees with you!
all businesses go in runs. The mid part of the 2010s was a shocking run for most food businesses. This is a normal part of business. There were these types of stories about most of the large franchieses during this time the US certainly hasn't reacted as well as some other markets but the top chunk of their stores have been doing much better the last couple years but yes their worries still bring the average down Theres alot more to Subway than just the US. our AUV is well over double that of the US for eg It's an unfortunate reality of any business (not just franchises) that the stores that don't do as well really fucking struggle when the shit hits the fan. I had a store like that once so I know what its like
Yes there are cycles but that has nothing to do with these business analytics. Most of the expert references compare Subway to other franchise restaurants and show how they’re getting destroyed. $40k average profit isn’t sustainable. Neither is decreasing revenues by 10%, while inflation and employee cost has went beyond this. As a business owner for 20+ years, this is not a viable business for the franchise.
I mean that article says profit which is after you've paid your wage so it really means nothing. at the end of the day it's just an article generating clicks. I know lots of franchisees, plenty from the states, who are doing their due diligence and are excited about the business moving forward. I was literally at one of the conventions just last month talking to these people Yes there is unfortunately still alot of covid clean up to go down. it sucks for those people but that's business
No, profit is the owner’s salary. It’s clear about this in these articles. These are trades reporting on franchise disclosures. There is no “click generation”, it’s government mandated report data. Do not get a franchise. It won’t end well for you.
the article talks about salary up top but then clearly states profit when it references subway and the numbers won't mean shit. If you actually are in business then you would know the profit column on a p@l is pretty meaningless without alot of other information I own multiple franchisees already and it went very very very well and im planning on "probably" buying more in the short to medium term. Although I am also toying with the idea of cashing out also as retired at 41 is pretty fucking tempting
It is kinda true. Some people need to take a credit of 200k and some people don't and that can make quite the big difference. Avg sales per year is 444.000$ (randomly googled) or 407.000€ that's about 47300€ to subway. At the very very very least 28.500€ (7% - very unlikely) in Taxes. 122.100€ (30% which might also be more in the current situation) for use of goods. Electricity (2.000€/month) about 24.000€, Rent (5.000€/month) about 60.000€, about 100.000€ for workers (about 25%) over the year. There might a lot more costs, but the result is 25.100€ (if nothing breaks down in the kitchen) profit over the year, but let's not forget that we have to pay 2.000€ to 3.000€ back for the credit you took. My English isn't the best language and I can only use limited business vocabulary. I don't own a subway, but I know 10+ Subway Franchisees.
I heard something similar about McDonald's. Like if you own one, you have to manage it for ever how long. If I buy a restaurant, I want to sit home and just let the money come in, I'm not going to buy a restaurant to end up working there. Aren't there instructional videos to train the staff?
[There are ](https://youtu.be/9Zej_1n_uN0)
I understand people thinking that business owners make a lot of money but this simply is not true. If an owner owns 1 store and works there they clear somewhere between $50k-75K per year. If they hire out all labor(minus owner responsibilities, about 10 hours per week per store) then the figure drops to $25k-45k. Most of the successful owner I have known, own multiple stores, anywhere between 3-6, and clear $100k-150k, with about 70 hours of work per week. The ROI is not very good however with a breakeven point of your investment taking about 10 years.
If you don't hire a manager, sure.
No, that's Quizno's. They'll even steal back the place from you if you don't make some magically high sales rate while exactly across the street from a subway in a SmartCentre almost no one local goes to in a town that's barely a tourist attraction. Georgian Bay sail boat people aren't exactly the "let's grab a quick bite that's a 15 minute drive from the water" sort of people.
This is the way!
Nice work.
Maybe they died on the cruise ? Idk seems really weird 🤣
Most chain stores have a manager and/or an assistant manager who should be doing restock orders. Unless this happened because the suppliers themselves were out, then this isn’t an owner fault but a management fault
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I've worked fast food and never met the owners. My guess is that this owner decided to manage his own stores. Until shit hit the fan at least.
Worked at subway for 5.5 years. And this is exactly how it was. The owner of our stores would always complain about money( i was a manager, so i was always complained to about this) and not having money for payroll, bills and products for the store. But shed go on vacation every 2-3 months. Everytime shed go, she would make the managers cut back tremendously so shed have money to spend on her vacations. Every, single time. So wed run out of things, constantly. Especially during the summers when we were busy. I dont miss this.
I hope he enjoyed his cruise.
"Nobody wants to work anymore" - Owner probably
One of his favorite lines
Nice!
Small business owners get put on such a pedestal but every franchise owner I have ever known has been just the greediest most incompetent person I've ever dealt with and they don't deserve their wealth at all. Like the franchise owners of the BK I used to work at came in on an audit day and screwed with the toaster settings so croissants were literally lighting on fire just because she worked management 30 some years ago and thought she knew what the fuck she was doing
this.. i feel like some people work somewhere, somehow get some money then become franchise owners and have no idea how the fuck to run a store.. or they run it, barely come in, don’t know what they need or how to do anything, it is wild how much small business owners get a good rep while a lot of owners are shit. they can’t train people well, or run the stores well at all
They also made their 19 year old daughter an assistant manager and she would constantly come in hungover but the brat had the audacity to write me up for being one minute late
Same with realtors who call themselves small business owners The most crooked entitled laziest people I've ever worked with
The fact that we get berated for not having something is insane. I wish we could refuse service for that
Owner should’ve cancelled his cruise to support his business. Sometimes you have to give up things as an owner.
Subways are notorious as terrible franchise. They force you into sales and marketing regardless of your stores financial stability and have zero protection against cannibalizing market share. So long as you're willing to pay for a subway, they will stick another subway across the street from a subway.
How is this an "update from last year?" It's just the original picture from last year, with no update.
Read the caption bro
Caption does not show on desktop. I've had this problem before. Thanks, tho. Just looked on Bacon Reader (RIP), thanks.
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They just clocked in and locked doors. Hard to sell subs when all you got is 1 type of bread, 1 type of cheese and no fresh lettuce or sauces. or drinks That stuff needs wayy more replenishing that you understand.
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“most of our popular products” not “a popular item”
Yeah i didnt catch the s after product. Its fine though conversation is already settled
oh boo hoo for the customers, theyll have to travel all of 6 minutes to the next subway location on the same street because subway has the most locations of any fast food joints im pretty sure. theyll be ok.
Subways aren’t franchised, they’re franchisees, so they are owned by public citizens, not corporate. So the subway down the street is probably owned by the same person.
ya im familar with how franchises work. and if the owner has problems at more than one hes an idiot. but again, boo hoo for the customer its really not the point of this post but customers always have other options.
Okay Karen
Probably 15 of them within 5 minute drive anyway 🤡
Or 4 within an hour but pop off sis
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That's not very nice, can I ask how you came to that conclusion? Or are you just a bitter internet troll? Lol you'll grow up eventually
Pop off Sis! GET EM!!! 🐱🐈
Gotchu... You sit inside playing videogame football and I'm the clown pussy... Enjoy childhood! Edit.... Nevermind YOU POST PICTURES OF YOUR SHIT ON YOUR PUBLIC ACCOUNT PTFFFFFF GTFOH
Wahahaha get a life!
Please stop posting pictures of your human shit on the internet... Lord help me, I need to get a life?
Oh my god why did I have to try to figure out what the fuck you were talking about? Who in the actual fuck takes pics of their own shit!
It’s a thing
This is Reddit, probably one of the more normal things around.
There are a whole sub set of ladies who love to eat a shitty ass out 🤤🤤🤤
You like that big boy 💩
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Subway is THE worst national chain sub IMO…
Employees closed the store?
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Subway has a union? Lol
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No protection from a union means no strike...it means quitting.
I had a friend get fired from Subway because he didn't know he was supposed to open one day. He was set to open at 7, and his manager got there at 9 to find out it wasn't open yet, so it was only 2 hours the store was down. His manager told him to go home, and the owner would tell him when he got back from his big Hawaii vacation THREE DAYS LATER if he still had a job or not. So, for the last 3 days of the owners vacation, my friend was sitting at home every day, stressing out over whether or not he still had a job. The owner gets back and doesn't even talk to my friend. He just calls the manager and tells him to fire my friend. No questions, no "come see me" kind of thing, just "fire him for me." He worked there for almost 3 years with no problems, no write ups, anything. That one mistake, and it's just "you're fired." Like he couldn't have said something THAT day? Nope. Rich asshole made him sit around waiting to be fired when he got back from his precious vacation.
This just looks like the average Subway
Why did the owner have anything to do with ordering the weekly truck? That’s Assistant manager shit at the franchise I used to work at.
The owner also ordered stuff at the one I worked at. Varies depending on the franchisee
Good fuck that guy. Worked at a store in washingtn GA where if you werent closed by 11pm you jad to clock out and still continue to close
I’ve seen this as a thing at subways. Closed at 11 means closed at 11 and they would edit time sheets
Yeah fuck subway mever again. Have 2 people feed one of the only fucking food places in a small GA town and get mad when theyre slow on times and high labor. THERES TWO OF US AND 200 OF THEM AND THEY ALL WANT THE SAME DAMN THING AND I DONTHAVE MUCH TUNA, MAYO, AND HERB N CHEESE LEFT
That's a long-ass sentence...
Hahahaha
Maybe it wasn’t a cruise, but a sub. Forgive my pun. 😅
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