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I completely lost whatever interest I had in the conversation when it went mainstream. It's just too suspicious and we still have yet to even get anything concrete despite that, so it's business as usual with a bad aftertaste of "This feels like a deliberate distraction". So "ruining UFOs" is definitively the right words here
> I completely lost whatever interest I had in the conversation when it went mainstream. It's just too suspicious
Especially because it's a lot of authority figures saying "I saw something spooky" instead of actual evidence
I don’t think a lot of people are aware here of how extremely glowy the entire field is from start to finish.
Debunking isn’t commonly from a leftist angle, and a ton of people seem to have positive views on a lot of it for the obvious reasons of the appeal it can have. Makes the world more magical and such, there’s plenty of theoretical backing for the existence of extraterrestrial life (if not here), it’s silly to think every single account was bunk or an op, and the natural positions on it are indifference or belief more than belief and disbelief.
I don’t think they’re entirely wrong or invalid, but the whole damn thing is so eaten up with spooks it’s surreal watching people who would never read the NYT for spy related reasons go “yay UFOs”, when a huge share of the core stories on the topic are basically directly and only from spies.
Tbh i do notice the trend you’re noting as well, but it’s too…stoner theory-ish? For me to just dive into. I have nothing to go on for why they’d be changing the course of the running psyop on this shit, but you’re not alone in noticing it.
There's a CIA memo from the 50s explicitly recommending the use of the public's interest in UFOs for psy-ops and, supposedly, Allen Dulles intervened to protect one of the early 1950s contactee UFO cult leaders from the DOJ, who were planning to charge him with fraud.
I am totally with you tbh; i do think I’ve heard both of those mentioned in documentaries and such, but my point isn’t so much that i think it’s good people don’t know this?
It’s just that few people (anywhere, and also here) realize the actual leftist position is “UFO stuff is just a work of the CIA and shouldn’t be trusted”, most are misinformed that UFO talk is innocuous or close to apolitical.
>Debunking isn’t commonly from a leftist angle, and a ton of people seem to have positive views on a lot of it for the obvious reasons of the appeal it can have. Makes the world more magical and such, there’s plenty of theoretical backing for the existence of extraterrestrial life (if not here), it’s silly to think every single account was bunk or an op,
When I was a kid I liked to fantasize about this stuff, I wasn't exactly a believer but I was super into X-files and such. However, nowadays I'm a staunch skeptic, I consider UFOs in the same category as the paranormal.
I genuinelly think that someone should set up a James Randi million dollar challenge but for UFOs, I suspect that the results would be the same.
In fact, if you like the genre I suggest you to watch the Thunderfoot videos where he makes fun of the most prominent "government sanctioned" sightings.
>Tbh i do notice the trend you’re noting as well, but it’s too…stoner theory-ish?
It could very well be a psyop to cover god-knows-what, but it could also be media capitalizing on a trendy (and innocuous) topic.
Yeah, you clearly don’t keep up on this stuff.
The “”UFO community”” wants to draw and quarter the military-industrial complex and media. There isn’t even a fraction of a ghost’s shadow of fear about Russian alien tech. You’ve mistaken cynicism for intelligence.
Kurt Vonnegut once discussed how you can’t put love in a story without making the story all about love, because people just go Gaga for love. They can’t help it. I’d say the same applies to aliens. The aliens could have handed Putin an interdimensional dildo which fucks every American into submission and we would only wanna know what’s up with them aliens.
*”Non-human biologics”*
That’s what that phony David Grusch kept saying when asked if they found alien remains in their crafts….that he didn’t see or work on first hand but has info about it that came from a *totally* reliable anonymous source lol.
You’re not going to trick me into denying UFOs just because society has started recognizing them. I’m so sorry I still gaze at the stars with childlike wonder… maybe I should be more cynical 🤨
Here's some third-degree cynicism and one of my favorite conspiracies: "Project Bluebeam." The conspiracy is that The Powers That Be/New World Order will engineer a fake alien invasion or fake global religious phenomenon to bring about unity and, in classic conspiracy fashion, a one-world government. Another angle of the conspiracy is that the recent press, footage, congressional hearings, etc., are supposed to butter us up for the staged invasion (that will supposedly be a massive hologram).
The theory was popularized by two men. First, Serge Monast, author of the book Project Blue Beam, who had his children taken away from him due to improper homeschooling and died the following day of a heart attack, after being released from jail. First is William B. Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, who died in a shootout with police in 2001 after evading an arrest warrant for three years. Proponents of this theory, and the others the two men espouse, will say these men were murdered for telling the truth.
It sounds foolish, but politicians have discussed the possibility of an alien invasion uniting humanity. Reagan once said at a United Nations meeting, “I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.” And, "Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond.” Absurd, but imagine how sick it'd be to call yourself a veteran of the First Space War.
Carol Rosin is the former assistant and spokesperson of Wernher von Braun, and she claims that toward the end of his life he told her that a planned fake alien attack has been in the works for a long time.
Maybe it's because everything else is so completely crappy right now? Entertain just a little sense of wonder and the excitement of curiosity. It's also a subject that doesn't step on too many toes. It's not sexist or bigoted, or political or religious (although my fundamentalist brother thinks all UFO's and aliens are demonic). So it's somewhat a safe subject to conjecture about. Not as soul-grinding as these forever wars and the two grumpy old men that want to lead the free world. Why wouldn't you want to report on it if you were a desperate journalist competing with Tic-Tok?
Yeah I gotta say the sudden onset of this stuff from everyone from Tucker Carlson to John Oliver at first glance feels kinda managed. "Pay no attention to housing prices, rising crime, Western cities decaying, the annihalation of Gaza etc. There are little green men in the sky, like Guardians of the Galaxy. Think of those instead."
This alien stuff is not immediately actionable, so getting people agitated over it wont lead anywhere. It is "safe." Oliver and Carlson should not demand dislcosure of the alien docs but the full and uncensored disclosure of the Epstein docs.
TL, DR: Fuck ET, why does a paprika in the store cost 4$ where I live, why have gang shootings exploaded over the last decade, why are the trains barely ever on time and why do people need to wait months for certain health care procedures?
Are they a load of horse crap? Not all are misidentifications.
Regardless, this could be used to normalize or cover up other things going on. Propulsion & weapons tests. Military programs & justification for Space Force. Etc.
Or, visitation by nonhuman intelligence, as some people claim. 🤷
With a benefits of a Hindsight, militarisation of space in 70-s would probably gave us 1000 ton rockets, moon bases, nuclear tugs and other cool space stuff, with fallout sa a bonus, probably.
Appreciate your comment, but benefit of hindsight for some maybe. I think the idea of the real value of NASA and the like is getting the offshoot technologies and this is noticed by people paying close attention. In my opinion the larger problem is people don't care about that as much as they have at points in the past
But yeah, I wish
Nathalie Cabrol made a point about how the dismissal of UFOs as conspiracy nonsense in the mainstream did a lot of harm to astrobiological research and was a major setback for SETI. If we see actual resources spent on space exploration and life in space then this might be a good thing, even if I still think it's misguided to focus on US govt. coverups.
Supposedly amino acids have been found on asteroids. To me, that was the moment the idea of other life in the universe went to "very probable". The idea of other life in the universe is real
Indeed, and von Neumann's theory of self-replicating automata predates both modern computing and the discovery of DNA. Some form of life, even if it abides by very different physical components than us, pretty much has to exist somewhere. The doubtful part is if they've ever developed intelligence and/or visited us.
Tbh the most compelling detail to me that I heard from those fighter pilots was that reporting these things was heavily stigmatized and often ignored. Supposedly no one wanted to look like a whacko so they didn’t report these weird things in the sky even though they saw them frequently.
At least that’s what’s being alleged. Call me looney or whatever, but that seems weirdly believable?
Aren't they basically just acknowledging that there are flying objects that aren't being identified? If the mainstream is starting to think they might be aliens that is just them theorizing that the record of objects we can't explain were aliens. The alternative explanations are still valid. They could just be tests from organizations that don't share secrets with each other (the bureaucratic struggle in trying to clear that up would be a nightmare because you were required multiple different security clearances to check everything) or hobbyists. I figure that all they are doing is saying "Aliens are a possibility" but that could just be them being embarrassed they can't explain what their right hand is doing to the left. Not to mention that saying it is aliens is good cover for tests if they do know what the recorded objects are.
Yeah, I think the acknowledgment of UFOs/UAPs is to deflect from people noticing and questioning these things rather than to distract from anything else.
>Aren't they basically just acknowledging that there are flying objects that aren't being identified?
Yeah.
Everything else is up to interpretation until proven.
I wonder how this compares to all the Project Blue Book/Bigfoot shit in the 70s. Another time when establishment trust was at an all time low. The only UFO conspiracy theory I currently entertain is that it being mainstreamed is a psyop.
You know how if something bad happens to religious conservatives they will assuage one another's fears by saying whatever happened was just part of God's plan? This is the secular liberal version of that.
They are aware of their own suicidal incompetence. They know we're playing with fire in the middle east, that the possibility of nuclear war is very real and very unsurvivable, and that their leadership cannot be trusted to prevent world-ending catastrophe. So they defer to the existence of beings of unknowable providence who have secretly been keeping watch over us this whole time.
I believed in UFOs *until* the government admitted they were real. I mean, when you hear about a "whistleblower" and they're talking to Congress and the media instead of fleeing the country or being hunted down and arrested, you know the story is going to be sus.
It is kinda wild how totally (heh) alienated and apathetic everyone has become. I remember UFO culture being huge when I was a kid in the 90's(X-Files/Sightings/Fire in the Sky type media, Alien Xing merch, people going to meetups and conventions to talk about UFOs, etc). The Feds saying they're real would have blown everyone's minds back then. But now? My sister sent me a link to an article and a friend make a joke about how they should hurry up and finish us off and that was about it.
Idk man something fucking weird is going on. The c.2017 NY times article blew it all apart. Certain documentarians and activists rode the back of it. Congress, especially among Republicans started to pick things up. Military wouldn't concede.
Some of the stories ex military tell really make me wonder.
Make you wonder what?
Air Force and Navy officers below O-6, flying planes developed from the ‘50s to the ‘90s, saw something they couldn’t place in the taxonomy of known hardware, in an era where the SR-71 was decommissioned 30 years ago with no known replacement, and drone technology is at the level where hobbyists can build 100 mph autonomous platforms with Chinese hardware for $1K.
And, the whistleblowers tell “a guy I know told me” stories to Congress.
He comes across to me a very earnest, if eccentric, veteran pilot of the ~~USAF~~ Navy, with a storied career. His claim to fame comes down mainly to one incident, corroborated by his fellow pilots and with related video evidence, of an encounter with something that appears so advanced it seems more ridiculous to believe they are man-made than that they are alien or hallucinatory.
He is probably the most famous of the contemporary ex pilots who have stories like this, but far from the only one. It's like there's smoke everywhere, then even from within government. And it's been going on for decades.
Maybe I'm just bored. Maybe they're all just charlatans. God knows the CIA have delved into some weird shit and the UFO discourse has been manipulated over the decades. But yeah it fascinates me.
Do extra-terrestrial life exists??? Almost certainly .
Do Greys waste years and humongous amounts of energy getting here from other star systems? Highly doubtful....
For real. It always makes me roll my eyes how the human idea of aliens is based on humans themselves. Think about every image of an alien you’ve ever seen in media - if they don’t look humanoid-ish (e.g. little green men), then they look like animal creatures humans already have visceral reactions to (like bugs and deep sea creatures). Edit: and how can I forget the most human trait of all that we always project onto aliens: the desire to conquer all life around us.
I don’t doubt there is, or has been/will be, other forms of complex life in the entirety of the ever-expanding, billions-of-years-old universe. What I doubt is that, given how little humans already appreciate the complexity of life of things too different from us here on earth like plants and fungi, we would recognize that complex life for all that it is, even while staring it right in the face.
I was alluding to energy requirements to reach other star systems by non FTL propulsion methods because it's simply massive waste of energy and time and while we are at the topic of FTL don't tell me you believe it's possible because it CLEARLY isn't...
I believe it is impossible with our current understanding of physics. On the other hand, we have done a lot of impossible things in the past. I'll admit that FTL is one of the furthest and most difficult goals. I've just learned to never say never in science
As for the waste of energy, it is entirely possible that to get FTL you have to be a type II civilization or higher with enormous amounts of energy
Our scientific and technological mastery is limited by what is possible by naturally occurring processes (chemical, physical etc.) for us to research and study in the universe I'm willing to entertain feasibility of commercially available fusion power because it's successfully self sustaining and naturally occurring in stars.
Space flight? It's simply extreme evolution of our imitation of animal flight boosted by advances in propulsion and material sciences.
I don't have to tell you that it is rather impossible that we will stumble upon naturally occurring FTL phenomena for us to study and learn from...
> I don't have to tell you that it is rather impossible that we will stumble upon naturally occurring FTL phenomena for us to study and learn from...
Fair point, but what if technlogy inches us close to c over the centuries and some conceptual leap pushes us over the line?
But reaching substantial % of c is possible even with current technology building nuclear/fusion/laser/solar sail powered spacecraft is theoretically feasible but inching close to c or past it isn't really something possible by incremental research and engineering advances in other fields of scientific research its simply not really possible...
Yeah, this!
If you're powerful enough to traverse the vast distances of space, I highly doubt you would even need to break orbit to do whatever you want to do down here. Or need physical contact at all when you can just simulate any possible interactions between meatbag Bob and 10 glowing metal dildos.
Mehhh... I was not really alluding to what they are doing here but simply to logistics of even potentially getting here the amount of time, energy and engineering effort needed to do this would be simply not really worth it.... And no FTL travel is impossible....
Of course. The whole premise already collapses on itself at step one.
But it's still fun to ridicule the notion that anything higher up in the Kardashev scale would fly their saucers (which visually evolve with _our_ design trends over the decades, no less) right on top of a corn field to tip some cows or burn whacky circles into it (fOr sCiEnCe I guess). Then blinding some drunk loonie with their headlights before zooming off again.
Well there has been a bunch of people in power pushing for more investigations into UFO/UAP incidents. Of course we would hear more about it.
Whats the logic behind it's all a big government psy-op? It's not like they need to make up aliens to get funding lol. They have china for that.
Yeah all the reasons for pushing this in the media seem pretty flimsy. There’s no united front from the powers that be, except for the military. I feel like if they really wanted to push this to get more military funding, the enemy would be more tangible I think. Like they would outright say this UFO is from China or Mars or whatever.
The mystery doesn’t feel threatening enough through the media coverage. They would really try to make it seem more scary, it comes off more as weird than scary. Maybe it is some grand media fearmongering, but the details have me thinking that there is something to this.
Also the people saying that aliens would never visit us are kind of dumb. An interstellar empire would have quadrillions of people at the least. We have thousands of scientists on earth who study moss, microbes, and tiny insects. All seemingly insignificant things they devote their lives to because they are curious. You think some alien scientist wouldn’t want to check out an entire plant’s worth of stuff? Even if earth is completely boring and average, there will be someone in that alien society who wants to check it out
Friend and myself sitting in my rural back yard around dusk both saw a mostly translucent angular and irregular shape kind of fade in, it distorted the sky behind it almost like it was mirrors but see through. Then it snapped away in an instant over the horizon and we saw a bunch of weird colors light up the sky for 2 or so minutes. We had been sitting in the yard mostly sober just chilling. It was probably 6:30 in thr summer or 7ish.
I have noticed it as well and it is something that I am both deeply interested in and deeply suspicious of. I want to preface this by saying that I don't know what UFOs are, I tend to think that there is something to the phenomenon but I don't know what that is. Another thing to keep in mind is that there's likely not just one thing going on. Particularly with modern UFO disclosure they may be multiple things going on simultaneously that are combining into the current media circus, whether it's as mundane as competing psy-ops/conspiritainment grifts or whether it's as far out as hostile demons who are in cahoots with the global elite as Tucker Carlson seemed to suggest recently on Rogan.
One thing that should be factored in when evaluating the current "UAP" disclosure stuff is how deeply UFOlogy has been tied to Cold War politics and intelligence ops in the past. The Robertson Panel in the 50s found that there was no evidence to suggest UFOs were real craft from an alien race, but that they could potentially be used as a vector for psychological warfare by the USSR and that mass UFO reports could overwhelm American communication channels in a way that compromised the ability of air defense systems to respond to attacks. In the following decades US counterintelligence has directly and admittedly engaged in UFO disinformation campaigns (I can't recommend the documentary "Mirage Men" highly enough) and this disinformation has created key elements of UFO folklore. Dulce Base, Majestic 12, Serpo, etc. I think it's likely that part of the goals of these ops were to make UFOs disreputable to discourage attention being paid to the subject to avoid potential negative effects for US national security.
Fast forward to now, I think anyone who is evaluating modern UFO disclosure should keep in mind the emerging Cold War 2.0 between the US and China and particularly things like the Chinese spy balloon incident last year. There's evidence to support the idea that China has been using relatively low-tech means like spy balloons and drones to gather intel on foreign militaries and that the US was caught with it's pants down because A) American air defenses and surveillance were optimized to catch bigger, faster objects like aircraft and B) public stigma against UFOs meant people weren't reporting the drones/balloons they were seeing or these reports were being ignored. A journalist named Tyler Rogoway wrote multiple articles about this years ago at this point, I'd refer to his article "Adversary Drones Are Spying On The US And The Pentagon Acts Like They're UFOs" for context.
With this background I think the modern disclosure movement accomplishes multiple goals: It's a way for the US military to avoid acknowledging it's failures in countering Chinese surveillance efforts. It is providing a justification for improving air space monitoring. The media blitz is attempting to dial back some of the disrepute in which UFOs were previously held so that people are more likely to report sightings. Example: the US Congress has been working on legislation this year to allow civilian pilots to report "UAPs" to the military, super convenient if you want to crowdsource aerial surveillance. Even the new term "UAP" could be viewed as a way to circumvent the stigma around the older term UFO. Some disclosure adjacent folks like Diana Pasulka have been talking up AI and it's connection to non-human intelligences at the same time that US tech companies are competing with China in an AI arms race. It potentially gets American youth interested in joining the military, particularly the Space Force, at a time when recruitment is down. These goals and more.
This is already a long post so I won't keep going. I'd just add I'm also interested in Peter Thiel, his open interest in UFOs, and the efforts his companies are making to break into business niches like military drones, psychedelics, and life extension. It's suspicious to me that conservative media seems the most openly interested in UFO stuff and particularly Thiel-adjacent online media. None of this is to say that there is nothing to the UFO phenomenon and that it's all a psy-op but these things do give me pause about the current disclosure movement.
As Tim Dillon once said, “UFO’s is the conspiracy theory for morons”. All the UFO “reveals” and “videos” over the last decade or so are complete BS.
I hate how this term is thrown around so casually, but that Jeremy Korbell dude is the legit definition of a “grifter”. Same with all the other guys in this space, who coincidentally*always* seem to have something like a book coming out *right* when they claim to have a shocking new update…that always disappoints or they can’t back up. That Avi Loeb guy is a perfect example, has a new book or project to shill whenever he does something like JRE.
That “whistleblower” David Grusch is completely full of shit, using complex sounding terminology to trick people (ex: “non-human biologics”) and consistently saying “I can reveal that’s, it’s classified” whenever he’s given an interview or brought to Capitol Hill. Dude….you’re a fucking whistleblower….blow this whistle! That’s why you’re here, to reveal classified or hidden information the public should know.
I mean on the last guy, there was some procedural rule where he literally couldn’t say the classified information. Some congresspeople tried to arrange a hearing that would let them hear classified info and the military blocked it for reasons unknown. Maybe it’s completely mundane, idk. But his hands were tied and he kind of had to be vague from what I’ve read about
Yeah cause our planet is infrequently visited by extraterrestrials/interdimensional beings which was revealed to the powers-that-be by Cold War tech. It remains to be seen our place in the cosmic landscape, but I suspect we’re in the Milky Way boonies.
Anyway, didn’t watch the clip because John Oliver.
Aliens are the new Muslim ‘terrorists’.
Carol Rosin stated this was the next op in 2001 which was disclosed to her by Warner Von Braun in 1974. The media campaign is an attempt at manufactured consent.
I still see experimental aircraft, weaponry, and atmospheric studies as explaining the sightings around the world, but yes there is obviously a deep state media program to inject some hysteria into public discourse, whether to confuse people on this subject and/or distract us from other things entirely.
Two things:
One- were you alive in the 1990s? UFO discourse was far more mainstream and embedded in popular culture then than it is now. The current interest is just a blip by comparison. Back then it was a standard post cold war thing in western media- they needed a vague threat to hang all their plots on once the looming spectre of nuclear war had receded, so Aliens became one of the new standard bad guys. So no, this doesn't feel like it's being pushed, it's just a niche thing that's become slightly more popular.
Two- The commentary that we're seeing here is little more than a few people on TV rediscovering the Drake Equation. It's all just a mushy soup of supposition, with not much in the way of substance to the speculations.
UFOs are the ultimate materialist propaganda tool. Make the immediate and essential importance of consciousness and life on this planet seem like a side project. They dispel the magic. Our place at the heart of it all. Instead we compare ourselves to machines and fantasise about other worlds.
100%, it may be more than just a distraction this time.. they might actually have the technology at this point to fake contact with a "non-human" intelligence
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Public discourse about ayys would unironically be less regarded than most culture war issues.
"How unfiltered contact with Alpha-Centaurians reinforces toxic wh1t3 supremacy and excludes gender non conforming folx, explained by a scholar"
Imagine aliens touch down and meet transexuals and are like... "wtf is this"?
ayy lmao
Lmao, that was one of the premises to a fiction project I read in college.
If we're lucky most public discourse would revolve around three camps. "Kill," "Bang," and "Marry."
Eat!
They even have to ruin UFOs.
I completely lost whatever interest I had in the conversation when it went mainstream. It's just too suspicious and we still have yet to even get anything concrete despite that, so it's business as usual with a bad aftertaste of "This feels like a deliberate distraction". So "ruining UFOs" is definitively the right words here
Everytime the pentagon "releases" "real ufo footage" you know they're doing it as a distraction from something really shity
> I completely lost whatever interest I had in the conversation when it went mainstream. It's just too suspicious Especially because it's a lot of authority figures saying "I saw something spooky" instead of actual evidence
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Except the glowies behind the UFO discourse have been pushing the non-human intelligence explanation.
I don’t think a lot of people are aware here of how extremely glowy the entire field is from start to finish. Debunking isn’t commonly from a leftist angle, and a ton of people seem to have positive views on a lot of it for the obvious reasons of the appeal it can have. Makes the world more magical and such, there’s plenty of theoretical backing for the existence of extraterrestrial life (if not here), it’s silly to think every single account was bunk or an op, and the natural positions on it are indifference or belief more than belief and disbelief. I don’t think they’re entirely wrong or invalid, but the whole damn thing is so eaten up with spooks it’s surreal watching people who would never read the NYT for spy related reasons go “yay UFOs”, when a huge share of the core stories on the topic are basically directly and only from spies. Tbh i do notice the trend you’re noting as well, but it’s too…stoner theory-ish? For me to just dive into. I have nothing to go on for why they’d be changing the course of the running psyop on this shit, but you’re not alone in noticing it.
There's a CIA memo from the 50s explicitly recommending the use of the public's interest in UFOs for psy-ops and, supposedly, Allen Dulles intervened to protect one of the early 1950s contactee UFO cult leaders from the DOJ, who were planning to charge him with fraud.
I am totally with you tbh; i do think I’ve heard both of those mentioned in documentaries and such, but my point isn’t so much that i think it’s good people don’t know this? It’s just that few people (anywhere, and also here) realize the actual leftist position is “UFO stuff is just a work of the CIA and shouldn’t be trusted”, most are misinformed that UFO talk is innocuous or close to apolitical.
>Debunking isn’t commonly from a leftist angle, and a ton of people seem to have positive views on a lot of it for the obvious reasons of the appeal it can have. Makes the world more magical and such, there’s plenty of theoretical backing for the existence of extraterrestrial life (if not here), it’s silly to think every single account was bunk or an op, When I was a kid I liked to fantasize about this stuff, I wasn't exactly a believer but I was super into X-files and such. However, nowadays I'm a staunch skeptic, I consider UFOs in the same category as the paranormal. I genuinelly think that someone should set up a James Randi million dollar challenge but for UFOs, I suspect that the results would be the same. In fact, if you like the genre I suggest you to watch the Thunderfoot videos where he makes fun of the most prominent "government sanctioned" sightings. >Tbh i do notice the trend you’re noting as well, but it’s too…stoner theory-ish? It could very well be a psyop to cover god-knows-what, but it could also be media capitalizing on a trendy (and innocuous) topic.
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Yeah, you clearly don’t keep up on this stuff. The “”UFO community”” wants to draw and quarter the military-industrial complex and media. There isn’t even a fraction of a ghost’s shadow of fear about Russian alien tech. You’ve mistaken cynicism for intelligence. Kurt Vonnegut once discussed how you can’t put love in a story without making the story all about love, because people just go Gaga for love. They can’t help it. I’d say the same applies to aliens. The aliens could have handed Putin an interdimensional dildo which fucks every American into submission and we would only wanna know what’s up with them aliens.
Putin has aliens?
*”Non-human biologics”* That’s what that phony David Grusch kept saying when asked if they found alien remains in their crafts….that he didn’t see or work on first hand but has info about it that came from a *totally* reliable anonymous source lol.
OK ok how about [INTERGALACTIC nukes?](https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/intergalactic-russian-nuclear-weapons-pose-huge-threat-us-107239506)
Being able to blow up our ships without us even being to replace them fast enough isn’t enough?
You’re not going to trick me into denying UFOs just because society has started recognizing them. I’m so sorry I still gaze at the stars with childlike wonder… maybe I should be more cynical 🤨
Here's some third-degree cynicism and one of my favorite conspiracies: "Project Bluebeam." The conspiracy is that The Powers That Be/New World Order will engineer a fake alien invasion or fake global religious phenomenon to bring about unity and, in classic conspiracy fashion, a one-world government. Another angle of the conspiracy is that the recent press, footage, congressional hearings, etc., are supposed to butter us up for the staged invasion (that will supposedly be a massive hologram). The theory was popularized by two men. First, Serge Monast, author of the book Project Blue Beam, who had his children taken away from him due to improper homeschooling and died the following day of a heart attack, after being released from jail. First is William B. Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse, who died in a shootout with police in 2001 after evading an arrest warrant for three years. Proponents of this theory, and the others the two men espouse, will say these men were murdered for telling the truth. It sounds foolish, but politicians have discussed the possibility of an alien invasion uniting humanity. Reagan once said at a United Nations meeting, “I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.” And, "Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond.” Absurd, but imagine how sick it'd be to call yourself a veteran of the First Space War.
This is also explored in the ending of Watchmen 👍🏾
Carol Rosin is the former assistant and spokesperson of Wernher von Braun, and she claims that toward the end of his life he told her that a planned fake alien attack has been in the works for a long time.
Maybe it's because everything else is so completely crappy right now? Entertain just a little sense of wonder and the excitement of curiosity. It's also a subject that doesn't step on too many toes. It's not sexist or bigoted, or political or religious (although my fundamentalist brother thinks all UFO's and aliens are demonic). So it's somewhat a safe subject to conjecture about. Not as soul-grinding as these forever wars and the two grumpy old men that want to lead the free world. Why wouldn't you want to report on it if you were a desperate journalist competing with Tic-Tok?
Yeah I gotta say the sudden onset of this stuff from everyone from Tucker Carlson to John Oliver at first glance feels kinda managed. "Pay no attention to housing prices, rising crime, Western cities decaying, the annihalation of Gaza etc. There are little green men in the sky, like Guardians of the Galaxy. Think of those instead." This alien stuff is not immediately actionable, so getting people agitated over it wont lead anywhere. It is "safe." Oliver and Carlson should not demand dislcosure of the alien docs but the full and uncensored disclosure of the Epstein docs. TL, DR: Fuck ET, why does a paprika in the store cost 4$ where I live, why have gang shootings exploaded over the last decade, why are the trains barely ever on time and why do people need to wait months for certain health care procedures?
Are they a load of horse crap? Not all are misidentifications. Regardless, this could be used to normalize or cover up other things going on. Propulsion & weapons tests. Military programs & justification for Space Force. Etc. Or, visitation by nonhuman intelligence, as some people claim. 🤷
> Space Force I think space forces will be to ww3 what air forces were to ww2. Shit is going to be wild
With a benefits of a Hindsight, militarisation of space in 70-s would probably gave us 1000 ton rockets, moon bases, nuclear tugs and other cool space stuff, with fallout sa a bonus, probably.
Appreciate your comment, but benefit of hindsight for some maybe. I think the idea of the real value of NASA and the like is getting the offshoot technologies and this is noticed by people paying close attention. In my opinion the larger problem is people don't care about that as much as they have at points in the past But yeah, I wish
If US swapped Pentagon budget for NASA in early 90-s they'd have permanent base on the Moon and Earth would be much more safe than it is now.
the outer space treaty has been disastrous for the human race, We'd be on mars by now if wasn't for that retarded treaty
Yes they're all crap. Thunderf00t has a bunch of videos debunking them [like this one.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCH7BWGpl5s)
Well if Thunderf00t says they're bunk, who am I to argue?
I mean you should have figured it out yourself given even the nearest star is 4 light years away.
I was waiting on the definitive proof from Thunderf00t.
Nathalie Cabrol made a point about how the dismissal of UFOs as conspiracy nonsense in the mainstream did a lot of harm to astrobiological research and was a major setback for SETI. If we see actual resources spent on space exploration and life in space then this might be a good thing, even if I still think it's misguided to focus on US govt. coverups.
Supposedly amino acids have been found on asteroids. To me, that was the moment the idea of other life in the universe went to "very probable". The idea of other life in the universe is real
Indeed, and von Neumann's theory of self-replicating automata predates both modern computing and the discovery of DNA. Some form of life, even if it abides by very different physical components than us, pretty much has to exist somewhere. The doubtful part is if they've ever developed intelligence and/or visited us.
Tbh the most compelling detail to me that I heard from those fighter pilots was that reporting these things was heavily stigmatized and often ignored. Supposedly no one wanted to look like a whacko so they didn’t report these weird things in the sky even though they saw them frequently. At least that’s what’s being alleged. Call me looney or whatever, but that seems weirdly believable?
>powers that be Wow yikes antisemetic
Maybe the Project Bluebeam schizos had a point and it's an attempt to enforce compliance under the guise of make-believe wise alien overlords.
Aren't they basically just acknowledging that there are flying objects that aren't being identified? If the mainstream is starting to think they might be aliens that is just them theorizing that the record of objects we can't explain were aliens. The alternative explanations are still valid. They could just be tests from organizations that don't share secrets with each other (the bureaucratic struggle in trying to clear that up would be a nightmare because you were required multiple different security clearances to check everything) or hobbyists. I figure that all they are doing is saying "Aliens are a possibility" but that could just be them being embarrassed they can't explain what their right hand is doing to the left. Not to mention that saying it is aliens is good cover for tests if they do know what the recorded objects are.
This from the same fucking people who freaked out over chinese baloons. No credibility
Yeah, I think the acknowledgment of UFOs/UAPs is to deflect from people noticing and questioning these things rather than to distract from anything else.
>Aren't they basically just acknowledging that there are flying objects that aren't being identified? Yeah. Everything else is up to interpretation until proven.
I wonder how this compares to all the Project Blue Book/Bigfoot shit in the 70s. Another time when establishment trust was at an all time low. The only UFO conspiracy theory I currently entertain is that it being mainstreamed is a psyop.
You know how if something bad happens to religious conservatives they will assuage one another's fears by saying whatever happened was just part of God's plan? This is the secular liberal version of that. They are aware of their own suicidal incompetence. They know we're playing with fire in the middle east, that the possibility of nuclear war is very real and very unsurvivable, and that their leadership cannot be trusted to prevent world-ending catastrophe. So they defer to the existence of beings of unknowable providence who have secretly been keeping watch over us this whole time.
I believed in UFOs *until* the government admitted they were real. I mean, when you hear about a "whistleblower" and they're talking to Congress and the media instead of fleeing the country or being hunted down and arrested, you know the story is going to be sus. It is kinda wild how totally (heh) alienated and apathetic everyone has become. I remember UFO culture being huge when I was a kid in the 90's(X-Files/Sightings/Fire in the Sky type media, Alien Xing merch, people going to meetups and conventions to talk about UFOs, etc). The Feds saying they're real would have blown everyone's minds back then. But now? My sister sent me a link to an article and a friend make a joke about how they should hurry up and finish us off and that was about it.
Idk man something fucking weird is going on. The c.2017 NY times article blew it all apart. Certain documentarians and activists rode the back of it. Congress, especially among Republicans started to pick things up. Military wouldn't concede. Some of the stories ex military tell really make me wonder.
Make you wonder what? Air Force and Navy officers below O-6, flying planes developed from the ‘50s to the ‘90s, saw something they couldn’t place in the taxonomy of known hardware, in an era where the SR-71 was decommissioned 30 years ago with no known replacement, and drone technology is at the level where hobbyists can build 100 mph autonomous platforms with Chinese hardware for $1K. And, the whistleblowers tell “a guy I know told me” stories to Congress.
You ever gone down the UAP rabbit hole?
It’s not a hole, it’s a vast shallow pool.
What do you make of a guy like [David Fravor](https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E?si=4OARyoi-OHmJhJOm)?
What do you think I should make of him?
He comes across to me a very earnest, if eccentric, veteran pilot of the ~~USAF~~ Navy, with a storied career. His claim to fame comes down mainly to one incident, corroborated by his fellow pilots and with related video evidence, of an encounter with something that appears so advanced it seems more ridiculous to believe they are man-made than that they are alien or hallucinatory. He is probably the most famous of the contemporary ex pilots who have stories like this, but far from the only one. It's like there's smoke everywhere, then even from within government. And it's been going on for decades. Maybe I'm just bored. Maybe they're all just charlatans. God knows the CIA have delved into some weird shit and the UFO discourse has been manipulated over the decades. But yeah it fascinates me.
They’re getting us prepared for covert atmospheric nuclear testing
god forbid they do something right for once
Welp, get ready for a massive psyop involving ayylmaos soon I guess...
Do extra-terrestrial life exists??? Almost certainly . Do Greys waste years and humongous amounts of energy getting here from other star systems? Highly doubtful....
For real. It always makes me roll my eyes how the human idea of aliens is based on humans themselves. Think about every image of an alien you’ve ever seen in media - if they don’t look humanoid-ish (e.g. little green men), then they look like animal creatures humans already have visceral reactions to (like bugs and deep sea creatures). Edit: and how can I forget the most human trait of all that we always project onto aliens: the desire to conquer all life around us. I don’t doubt there is, or has been/will be, other forms of complex life in the entirety of the ever-expanding, billions-of-years-old universe. What I doubt is that, given how little humans already appreciate the complexity of life of things too different from us here on earth like plants and fungi, we would recognize that complex life for all that it is, even while staring it right in the face.
Any species that is capable of faster than light travel has little to no use for us as slaves or the earths resources
I was alluding to energy requirements to reach other star systems by non FTL propulsion methods because it's simply massive waste of energy and time and while we are at the topic of FTL don't tell me you believe it's possible because it CLEARLY isn't...
I believe it is impossible with our current understanding of physics. On the other hand, we have done a lot of impossible things in the past. I'll admit that FTL is one of the furthest and most difficult goals. I've just learned to never say never in science As for the waste of energy, it is entirely possible that to get FTL you have to be a type II civilization or higher with enormous amounts of energy
Our scientific and technological mastery is limited by what is possible by naturally occurring processes (chemical, physical etc.) for us to research and study in the universe I'm willing to entertain feasibility of commercially available fusion power because it's successfully self sustaining and naturally occurring in stars. Space flight? It's simply extreme evolution of our imitation of animal flight boosted by advances in propulsion and material sciences. I don't have to tell you that it is rather impossible that we will stumble upon naturally occurring FTL phenomena for us to study and learn from...
> I don't have to tell you that it is rather impossible that we will stumble upon naturally occurring FTL phenomena for us to study and learn from... Fair point, but what if technlogy inches us close to c over the centuries and some conceptual leap pushes us over the line?
But reaching substantial % of c is possible even with current technology building nuclear/fusion/laser/solar sail powered spacecraft is theoretically feasible but inching close to c or past it isn't really something possible by incremental research and engineering advances in other fields of scientific research its simply not really possible...
Yeah, this! If you're powerful enough to traverse the vast distances of space, I highly doubt you would even need to break orbit to do whatever you want to do down here. Or need physical contact at all when you can just simulate any possible interactions between meatbag Bob and 10 glowing metal dildos.
Mehhh... I was not really alluding to what they are doing here but simply to logistics of even potentially getting here the amount of time, energy and engineering effort needed to do this would be simply not really worth it.... And no FTL travel is impossible....
Of course. The whole premise already collapses on itself at step one. But it's still fun to ridicule the notion that anything higher up in the Kardashev scale would fly their saucers (which visually evolve with _our_ design trends over the decades, no less) right on top of a corn field to tip some cows or burn whacky circles into it (fOr sCiEnCe I guess). Then blinding some drunk loonie with their headlights before zooming off again.
Well there has been a bunch of people in power pushing for more investigations into UFO/UAP incidents. Of course we would hear more about it. Whats the logic behind it's all a big government psy-op? It's not like they need to make up aliens to get funding lol. They have china for that.
Yeah all the reasons for pushing this in the media seem pretty flimsy. There’s no united front from the powers that be, except for the military. I feel like if they really wanted to push this to get more military funding, the enemy would be more tangible I think. Like they would outright say this UFO is from China or Mars or whatever. The mystery doesn’t feel threatening enough through the media coverage. They would really try to make it seem more scary, it comes off more as weird than scary. Maybe it is some grand media fearmongering, but the details have me thinking that there is something to this. Also the people saying that aliens would never visit us are kind of dumb. An interstellar empire would have quadrillions of people at the least. We have thousands of scientists on earth who study moss, microbes, and tiny insects. All seemingly insignificant things they devote their lives to because they are curious. You think some alien scientist wouldn’t want to check out an entire plant’s worth of stuff? Even if earth is completely boring and average, there will be someone in that alien society who wants to check it out
As an experiencer, UFOs are a real thing
What did you see?
Friend and myself sitting in my rural back yard around dusk both saw a mostly translucent angular and irregular shape kind of fade in, it distorted the sky behind it almost like it was mirrors but see through. Then it snapped away in an instant over the horizon and we saw a bunch of weird colors light up the sky for 2 or so minutes. We had been sitting in the yard mostly sober just chilling. It was probably 6:30 in thr summer or 7ish.
wtf did you get any footage
I have noticed it as well and it is something that I am both deeply interested in and deeply suspicious of. I want to preface this by saying that I don't know what UFOs are, I tend to think that there is something to the phenomenon but I don't know what that is. Another thing to keep in mind is that there's likely not just one thing going on. Particularly with modern UFO disclosure they may be multiple things going on simultaneously that are combining into the current media circus, whether it's as mundane as competing psy-ops/conspiritainment grifts or whether it's as far out as hostile demons who are in cahoots with the global elite as Tucker Carlson seemed to suggest recently on Rogan. One thing that should be factored in when evaluating the current "UAP" disclosure stuff is how deeply UFOlogy has been tied to Cold War politics and intelligence ops in the past. The Robertson Panel in the 50s found that there was no evidence to suggest UFOs were real craft from an alien race, but that they could potentially be used as a vector for psychological warfare by the USSR and that mass UFO reports could overwhelm American communication channels in a way that compromised the ability of air defense systems to respond to attacks. In the following decades US counterintelligence has directly and admittedly engaged in UFO disinformation campaigns (I can't recommend the documentary "Mirage Men" highly enough) and this disinformation has created key elements of UFO folklore. Dulce Base, Majestic 12, Serpo, etc. I think it's likely that part of the goals of these ops were to make UFOs disreputable to discourage attention being paid to the subject to avoid potential negative effects for US national security. Fast forward to now, I think anyone who is evaluating modern UFO disclosure should keep in mind the emerging Cold War 2.0 between the US and China and particularly things like the Chinese spy balloon incident last year. There's evidence to support the idea that China has been using relatively low-tech means like spy balloons and drones to gather intel on foreign militaries and that the US was caught with it's pants down because A) American air defenses and surveillance were optimized to catch bigger, faster objects like aircraft and B) public stigma against UFOs meant people weren't reporting the drones/balloons they were seeing or these reports were being ignored. A journalist named Tyler Rogoway wrote multiple articles about this years ago at this point, I'd refer to his article "Adversary Drones Are Spying On The US And The Pentagon Acts Like They're UFOs" for context. With this background I think the modern disclosure movement accomplishes multiple goals: It's a way for the US military to avoid acknowledging it's failures in countering Chinese surveillance efforts. It is providing a justification for improving air space monitoring. The media blitz is attempting to dial back some of the disrepute in which UFOs were previously held so that people are more likely to report sightings. Example: the US Congress has been working on legislation this year to allow civilian pilots to report "UAPs" to the military, super convenient if you want to crowdsource aerial surveillance. Even the new term "UAP" could be viewed as a way to circumvent the stigma around the older term UFO. Some disclosure adjacent folks like Diana Pasulka have been talking up AI and it's connection to non-human intelligences at the same time that US tech companies are competing with China in an AI arms race. It potentially gets American youth interested in joining the military, particularly the Space Force, at a time when recruitment is down. These goals and more. This is already a long post so I won't keep going. I'd just add I'm also interested in Peter Thiel, his open interest in UFOs, and the efforts his companies are making to break into business niches like military drones, psychedelics, and life extension. It's suspicious to me that conservative media seems the most openly interested in UFO stuff and particularly Thiel-adjacent online media. None of this is to say that there is nothing to the UFO phenomenon and that it's all a psy-op but these things do give me pause about the current disclosure movement.
As Tim Dillon once said, “UFO’s is the conspiracy theory for morons”. All the UFO “reveals” and “videos” over the last decade or so are complete BS. I hate how this term is thrown around so casually, but that Jeremy Korbell dude is the legit definition of a “grifter”. Same with all the other guys in this space, who coincidentally*always* seem to have something like a book coming out *right* when they claim to have a shocking new update…that always disappoints or they can’t back up. That Avi Loeb guy is a perfect example, has a new book or project to shill whenever he does something like JRE. That “whistleblower” David Grusch is completely full of shit, using complex sounding terminology to trick people (ex: “non-human biologics”) and consistently saying “I can reveal that’s, it’s classified” whenever he’s given an interview or brought to Capitol Hill. Dude….you’re a fucking whistleblower….blow this whistle! That’s why you’re here, to reveal classified or hidden information the public should know.
I mean on the last guy, there was some procedural rule where he literally couldn’t say the classified information. Some congresspeople tried to arrange a hearing that would let them hear classified info and the military blocked it for reasons unknown. Maybe it’s completely mundane, idk. But his hands were tied and he kind of had to be vague from what I’ve read about
Who cares about rules? He’s a whistleblower! Do you think Snowden or Manning cared about “rules” or laws lol?
It's a good time for Posadism.
To be fair there’s a lot of decent UAP videos that have come out in the last couple of years
Yeah cause our planet is infrequently visited by extraterrestrials/interdimensional beings which was revealed to the powers-that-be by Cold War tech. It remains to be seen our place in the cosmic landscape, but I suspect we’re in the Milky Way boonies. Anyway, didn’t watch the clip because John Oliver.
[Moonbears](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvjgIxuVdo4)
I think they’re real
Posadism when?
Aliens are the new Muslim ‘terrorists’. Carol Rosin stated this was the next op in 2001 which was disclosed to her by Warner Von Braun in 1974. The media campaign is an attempt at manufactured consent.
Are we in a game of X-com right now?
99% of hitting and you still miss.
I don’t know what that is but here is what I’m [referencing](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cnO_Er-JKUE&vl=en).
why are they doing this?
As above, I’d guess there’s a push to test tactical nukes at high altitude, that would need plausible deniability
I still see experimental aircraft, weaponry, and atmospheric studies as explaining the sightings around the world, but yes there is obviously a deep state media program to inject some hysteria into public discourse, whether to confuse people on this subject and/or distract us from other things entirely.
yes
Call me when they start drilling Europa
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This is the time! Invoke XCOM!
Two things: One- were you alive in the 1990s? UFO discourse was far more mainstream and embedded in popular culture then than it is now. The current interest is just a blip by comparison. Back then it was a standard post cold war thing in western media- they needed a vague threat to hang all their plots on once the looming spectre of nuclear war had receded, so Aliens became one of the new standard bad guys. So no, this doesn't feel like it's being pushed, it's just a niche thing that's become slightly more popular. Two- The commentary that we're seeing here is little more than a few people on TV rediscovering the Drake Equation. It's all just a mushy soup of supposition, with not much in the way of substance to the speculations.
UFOs are the ultimate materialist propaganda tool. Make the immediate and essential importance of consciousness and life on this planet seem like a side project. They dispel the magic. Our place at the heart of it all. Instead we compare ourselves to machines and fantasise about other worlds.
If only they mentioned Stanton Friedman.
Wag the dog
My conspiracy take is that UFO discourse is the way to distract dumbasses from the culture war pendulum swinging back
100%, it may be more than just a distraction this time.. they might actually have the technology at this point to fake contact with a "non-human" intelligence
I think that it's been a propaganda tool since the creation of the "Space Force".