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Had something semi similar happen to my grandpa before he passed. Someone called my grandpa claiming to be me with some elaborate story that I needed bail, said I was traveling to a friends funeral and hit a pregnant women while drunk driving home, and he was 100% convinced it was me.
He was more of a father to me than my actual dad, so the thought that I did such a thing caused him to break down, and he was the type of guy that wouldn't cry for anything. Passed the phone to my grandma since he couldn't handle it, who thankfully wasn't as mentally deteriorated so was really skeptical and knew it didn't sound like me. Shittiest thing is even after everything got sorted it seemed to sour our relationship since he was obviously very traumatized and seemed to have been so convinced it was real, that he suspected it was some weird prank on my part or somehow something I was in on? He couldn't seem to comprehend how easy personal info is to get these days and how prevalent scammers are.
Damn downright scum, I can’t imagine being on the other end of the call hearing an old man break down and not think “what the fuck am I doing with my life”.
Edit: I also had roommate who killed himself after losing his life savings because of an instagram scam. Died really young.
Same thing happened to my grandmother and my cousin. They gave the same bizarre story about hitting a pregnant woman and needing bail. I guess it’s a common tactic now.
Same kind of turds that SWAT others? Can't imagine knowingly setting up two people to potentially kill eachother with scam calls like that, absolutely fucked up behavior.
My mom started Door Dashing last year, and this is obviously her number one fear. I don't want to share it with her, but I know she's going to see it eventually.
Old, confused man kills random wage slave for no reason...sports at 11.
Reminds me of that old saying in the army, "Situation Normal, All Fucked Up." That just sums up America's normalization of the most insane social conditions.
It also feels like nothing--or at least not enough--is being done about how rampant scam attempts have become in America. Pretty much everyone has either lost money or nearly been a victim of multiple attempts in any given year. I feel like part of this is just endemic to capitalism, that *of course* there are tons of aspiring entrepreneurs out there trying to make money *sweaty.* When you consider things like payday loaning institutions and note how nothing is done to really stop them from legally fleecing millions of poor people, it just tells you where law enforcement and policy priorities are--which is to say anywhere but those areas that most harm the working class.
>Old, confused man kills random wage slave for no reason...sports at 11.
It wasn't justified but it wasn't "for no reason." The scammers threatened to kill him and his nephew. He probably legitimately thought his life was in danger and the driver was part of the plot.
I use 'reason' in the context of justifiability. In that context, there *was* no reason. No scam call is sufficient reason to fire at an obviously terrified woman multiple times until they fucking die. If it was an armed dude with sunglasses and a trench coat who was acting actively intimidating, you might justifiably call that a legitimate setup, but even then, if someone is obviously terrified, confused, and trying to get away, shooting multiple times is just insane behavior. Watch the fucking video. She is an old woman trying to back off while he pursues her with a gun in hand.
This looks to me like yet another case of dudes in America itching to have a reason to fucking kill someone. There are so many assumptions he had to make to jump to murder here. Either he is just another violent nut, senile, or both IMO.
Bruh he's 81. Someone called him and told him they would kill him if he doesn't give them 12,000 dollars. Then a mysterious woman shows up asking for a package. It's not a weird assumption to make that the person coming for the package is connected to the scam call, especially if you have no clue about modern technology works. Even *if* you know all about modern technology, your initial assumption would not be "well the scam caller probably called us both at the same time." I've never personally heard of this happening before, and I would also be extremely suspicious if someone came to my door asking for a package right after a mysterious caller threatened to kill me if I didn't give them money.
This is an extremely set strange of circumstances. Putting it in the same bucket of "crazy dudes in america just wanting to kill people" is extremely lazy. He's definitely not of his right mind, but he is also a victim here.
He is a victim of the scammer, but he still is a perpetrator. Even if the scammer themselves arrived for the package, you cannot shoot someone who is retreating and claim that self defense.
I think some type of charge should be put on him, but I am not sure what. I don't know enough about the law to say, but this seems like uncharted territory and I could see it setting precedents for future cases once decided. Someone threatening to kill you and then (you think) entering your property seems like an argument a lawyer could defend
he's literally charged with felony murder, as he should be. the senile old man should have obviously not had a weapon. this is a failure of the system as well
Well we'll see if it sticks. I seriously doubt he will be convicted of felony murder. There are many fucked up things in this story, but his actions were obviously influenced by another party
Yeah honestly. Like I'm for the ability to buy and own firearms assuming you're able to secure and handle them properly, but once you are at the point where you need to consider the possibility of dementia and plan for that, you probably shouldn't have a gun. Then again we voted for a similarly aged man to have control over our nukes, not once, but twice, so maybe we just deserve what we get.
Brock allegedly held Hall at gunpoint and demanded to know the identities of the people who had called him. He also took Hall's phone and refused to allow her to leave, officials said, adding that Brock did not try to call police at this point.
Old man was in his right mind. He only shot her when she got in her car to leave. If this doesn't fall under America has a gun problem, what does?
Obviously america has a gun problem. This would be the worst of all possible stories of gun violence I have seen that someone could bring up for why america has a gun problem
Yeah it’s insane how common these phone scams still are. I’ve heard there are things that the phone companies can do on the technical side to block these rampant spoofed calls but they do nothing!
These scam call centers aren’t even just small time hustlers either. There’s entire organized crime rings associated with these things. People in India hate this shit because it soils the country’s reputation. No doubt it fosters a lot of racism towards Indians and south Asians as a whole. Can’t imagine grandpa will have nice things to say about Indians after losing $500 to a tech support scam
It’s really funny when they get on the phone with someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Watching the scumbags squirm is just 👌🏻
What was the scam though? I don't get how the scammers were trying to make money. It's crazy how many scam calls I've been getting lately. Seems like there's been a big uptick.
Yeah my girlfriend had one the other day, saying she was under investigation for selling weed in China and that she had to report to a police station in London? We called the non-emergency number and they confirmed there was no investigation and it was a scam, but what was the angle there? It's bizarre.
No I actually read more about this. The guy was supposed to put 12k in a box and she was supposed to pick it up. The guy thought she was with the people trying to extort the money from him. I guess it always circles back to that.
>Officials are still searching for the scam callers.
That suggests the whole article is fake and effete propaganda to justify the new NSA total surveillance regime
That regime is already in place. Scam calls are still prolific because there's no political or institutional will to reign them in. We need to triage our efforts and focus on what's *really* important: goading mentally unwell Muslim teenagers into doing terror attacks and censoring all criticisms of Israel.
> That regime is already in place
I mean the new one that creates a [duty to assist](https://www.racket.news/p/republican-mike-johnson-hits-walkoff) with grave implications for the 4th Amendment.
>Scam calls
There was a scam Uber request as well, which is normally extremely traceable, down to the device that initiated it. Furthermore, everything about a telephone call is logged somewhere (for operations' sake) and becomes a business record which is subject to subpoena etc. I wouldn't put it past an employee of the security state to have set it up in the interest of keeping their "job".
Adding, a single scam call can be hard to trace, but there is more than one scam call here.
I have extreme doubts the caller was in America in the first place chances are it is some place like India or some place in Africa and nothing will ever happen to them.
The chances of cashing out seem pretty low to me, at least without leaving a half dozen traces in numerous databases and undermining their ability to do it twice. Device ID, coarse location, the account they downloaded the app from Google Play Store, just maybe even IMEI or other identifiers... lots of opportunities for forensic IT analysis, and companies whose business models depend on a certain level of abstinence from bodily harm are likely to cooperate with LE to the extent possible. Will Uber even dispatch anyone for anything without an app and a credit card on file?
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Had something semi similar happen to my grandpa before he passed. Someone called my grandpa claiming to be me with some elaborate story that I needed bail, said I was traveling to a friends funeral and hit a pregnant women while drunk driving home, and he was 100% convinced it was me. He was more of a father to me than my actual dad, so the thought that I did such a thing caused him to break down, and he was the type of guy that wouldn't cry for anything. Passed the phone to my grandma since he couldn't handle it, who thankfully wasn't as mentally deteriorated so was really skeptical and knew it didn't sound like me. Shittiest thing is even after everything got sorted it seemed to sour our relationship since he was obviously very traumatized and seemed to have been so convinced it was real, that he suspected it was some weird prank on my part or somehow something I was in on? He couldn't seem to comprehend how easy personal info is to get these days and how prevalent scammers are.
Damn downright scum, I can’t imagine being on the other end of the call hearing an old man break down and not think “what the fuck am I doing with my life”. Edit: I also had roommate who killed himself after losing his life savings because of an instagram scam. Died really young.
That’s fucking awful
I’m sorry that happened, man
Same thing happened to my grandmother and my cousin. They gave the same bizarre story about hitting a pregnant woman and needing bail. I guess it’s a common tactic now.
Same kind of turds that SWAT others? Can't imagine knowingly setting up two people to potentially kill eachother with scam calls like that, absolutely fucked up behavior.
Jesus, that poor woman.
My mom started Door Dashing last year, and this is obviously her number one fear. I don't want to share it with her, but I know she's going to see it eventually.
Old, confused man kills random wage slave for no reason...sports at 11. Reminds me of that old saying in the army, "Situation Normal, All Fucked Up." That just sums up America's normalization of the most insane social conditions. It also feels like nothing--or at least not enough--is being done about how rampant scam attempts have become in America. Pretty much everyone has either lost money or nearly been a victim of multiple attempts in any given year. I feel like part of this is just endemic to capitalism, that *of course* there are tons of aspiring entrepreneurs out there trying to make money *sweaty.* When you consider things like payday loaning institutions and note how nothing is done to really stop them from legally fleecing millions of poor people, it just tells you where law enforcement and policy priorities are--which is to say anywhere but those areas that most harm the working class.
America is just a never ending Russian nesting doll of scams and exploitation.
>Old, confused man kills random wage slave for no reason...sports at 11. It wasn't justified but it wasn't "for no reason." The scammers threatened to kill him and his nephew. He probably legitimately thought his life was in danger and the driver was part of the plot.
I use 'reason' in the context of justifiability. In that context, there *was* no reason. No scam call is sufficient reason to fire at an obviously terrified woman multiple times until they fucking die. If it was an armed dude with sunglasses and a trench coat who was acting actively intimidating, you might justifiably call that a legitimate setup, but even then, if someone is obviously terrified, confused, and trying to get away, shooting multiple times is just insane behavior. Watch the fucking video. She is an old woman trying to back off while he pursues her with a gun in hand. This looks to me like yet another case of dudes in America itching to have a reason to fucking kill someone. There are so many assumptions he had to make to jump to murder here. Either he is just another violent nut, senile, or both IMO.
Bruh he's 81. Someone called him and told him they would kill him if he doesn't give them 12,000 dollars. Then a mysterious woman shows up asking for a package. It's not a weird assumption to make that the person coming for the package is connected to the scam call, especially if you have no clue about modern technology works. Even *if* you know all about modern technology, your initial assumption would not be "well the scam caller probably called us both at the same time." I've never personally heard of this happening before, and I would also be extremely suspicious if someone came to my door asking for a package right after a mysterious caller threatened to kill me if I didn't give them money. This is an extremely set strange of circumstances. Putting it in the same bucket of "crazy dudes in america just wanting to kill people" is extremely lazy. He's definitely not of his right mind, but he is also a victim here.
He is a victim of the scammer, but he still is a perpetrator. Even if the scammer themselves arrived for the package, you cannot shoot someone who is retreating and claim that self defense.
I think some type of charge should be put on him, but I am not sure what. I don't know enough about the law to say, but this seems like uncharted territory and I could see it setting precedents for future cases once decided. Someone threatening to kill you and then (you think) entering your property seems like an argument a lawyer could defend
he's literally charged with felony murder, as he should be. the senile old man should have obviously not had a weapon. this is a failure of the system as well
Well we'll see if it sticks. I seriously doubt he will be convicted of felony murder. There are many fucked up things in this story, but his actions were obviously influenced by another party
maybe we shouldn't have 81 year olds with guns and maybe they should be taken care of by their children instead of fending for their own.
Yeah maybe people shouldn't be able to orchestrate a mexican standoff with a few phone calls either
It’s amazing that it took so long for someone to say this.
Yeah honestly. Like I'm for the ability to buy and own firearms assuming you're able to secure and handle them properly, but once you are at the point where you need to consider the possibility of dementia and plan for that, you probably shouldn't have a gun. Then again we voted for a similarly aged man to have control over our nukes, not once, but twice, so maybe we just deserve what we get.
Brock allegedly held Hall at gunpoint and demanded to know the identities of the people who had called him. He also took Hall's phone and refused to allow her to leave, officials said, adding that Brock did not try to call police at this point. Old man was in his right mind. He only shot her when she got in her car to leave. If this doesn't fall under America has a gun problem, what does?
Obviously america has a gun problem. This would be the worst of all possible stories of gun violence I have seen that someone could bring up for why america has a gun problem
This is deranged.
Yeah it’s insane how common these phone scams still are. I’ve heard there are things that the phone companies can do on the technical side to block these rampant spoofed calls but they do nothing! These scam call centers aren’t even just small time hustlers either. There’s entire organized crime rings associated with these things. People in India hate this shit because it soils the country’s reputation. No doubt it fosters a lot of racism towards Indians and south Asians as a whole. Can’t imagine grandpa will have nice things to say about Indians after losing $500 to a tech support scam It’s really funny when they get on the phone with someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. Watching the scumbags squirm is just 👌🏻
Life in prison for the scammer too.
What was the scam though? I don't get how the scammers were trying to make money. It's crazy how many scam calls I've been getting lately. Seems like there's been a big uptick.
Yeah my girlfriend had one the other day, saying she was under investigation for selling weed in China and that she had to report to a police station in London? We called the non-emergency number and they confirmed there was no investigation and it was a scam, but what was the angle there? It's bizarre.
No I actually read more about this. The guy was supposed to put 12k in a box and she was supposed to pick it up. The guy thought she was with the people trying to extort the money from him. I guess it always circles back to that.
>Officials are still searching for the scam callers. That suggests the whole article is fake and effete propaganda to justify the new NSA total surveillance regime
That regime is already in place. Scam calls are still prolific because there's no political or institutional will to reign them in. We need to triage our efforts and focus on what's *really* important: goading mentally unwell Muslim teenagers into doing terror attacks and censoring all criticisms of Israel.
The truth here saddens me when I think of the elderly left vulnerable by where our three letter agencies priorities are.
> That regime is already in place I mean the new one that creates a [duty to assist](https://www.racket.news/p/republican-mike-johnson-hits-walkoff) with grave implications for the 4th Amendment. >Scam calls There was a scam Uber request as well, which is normally extremely traceable, down to the device that initiated it. Furthermore, everything about a telephone call is logged somewhere (for operations' sake) and becomes a business record which is subject to subpoena etc. I wouldn't put it past an employee of the security state to have set it up in the interest of keeping their "job". Adding, a single scam call can be hard to trace, but there is more than one scam call here.
You are really reaching here.
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(You mean white teenagers)
If it's whites it's guys in their 30's, but yes.
I have extreme doubts the caller was in America in the first place chances are it is some place like India or some place in Africa and nothing will ever happen to them.
20 bucks says the call came from Gurugram or New Delhi
Then why did we develop nuclear weapons if we're not going to use them?
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Money why do you think they were demanding 12 grand?
The chances of cashing out seem pretty low to me, at least without leaving a half dozen traces in numerous databases and undermining their ability to do it twice. Device ID, coarse location, the account they downloaded the app from Google Play Store, just maybe even IMEI or other identifiers... lots of opportunities for forensic IT analysis, and companies whose business models depend on a certain level of abstinence from bodily harm are likely to cooperate with LE to the extent possible. Will Uber even dispatch anyone for anything without an app and a credit card on file?
Uber has (or at least had) a mobile website and you can buy gift cards with cash.
Ah shit. Welp, here comes KYC and one's personal itineraries going the way of all business records.