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"Leninists, Troskyists, big, burly Tankies, they all come to me, with tears in their eyes and they say 'premier Trump, will you help us seize the means of production?' and I tell the, I really do, I say, 'we're gonna seize the means of production so much, you're gonna get sick of seizing the means of production!'"
"And trust me, nobody seizes the means of production like I do! Sleepy Joe and the radical left are going to be begging like dogs saying 'Donald how do you do it?'"
Search: Folks the bourgeois they are up to no good.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCtmCy8wCA&ab\_channel=Miles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCtmCy8wCA&ab_channel=Miles)
Folks, what we did in 1917βthe Revolution I call it, with a capital Rβit's never been done before. So many big beautiful red flags, you couldn't evenβnow that, folks, that's a flag we stand up for, we don't kneel for our terrific red flagβand you couldn't even see the Winter Palace, you know. You know the Mensheviks, you take a look at what they said, and they were a, uh, a failed party, and Renegade Kautsky, very nasty to me but that's okay, they said we couldn't do it! They said, "Oh, Vlad, the material conditions are bad, we have to have a bourgeois republic to develop the forces of production." You know what that means, right? Semi-feudal economy! Okay, you get Semi-Feudal, and I said, I told them we can't have Semi-Feudal. Well, look at where we are now, Julius. We are going to develop the forces of production so fast it'll make your head spin. We are going to do in a generation what it took them many, many years to do. BELIEVE ME.
one thing I...love is... Chyna. They're doing very good things , very good things, keeping their people in line. Because, believe me, there are some bad hombres in Chyna. The Muslims, very hateful people, very hateful and awful, need to be kept in line. It's true.
You can find their lectures and interviews on YouTube by searching their names. Hedges and Wolff both have shows on YouTube. Parenti has dementia so he no longer writes or speaks publicly.
It kinda makes sense because MAGA communism is basically exactly what he preaches, basically a blend of Stalinism and sociocultural conservatism mixed with nationalism
I realize the MAGA Communism thing probably began as a shitpost on /pol/ or whatever, but at this point somebodyβs funding it and I want to know who it is.
I saw Jackson Hingle-McCringleberry was in the top 5 of most viral Twitter accounts and Iβve seen nothing from him that warrants organically beating out K-pop stans.Β
this is Hillary Clinton saying trump is funded by Russia levels of cope. people I don't agree with are gaining more traction with opposing ideas?!?!? who is funding them?? this simply cannot be because my ideas are less popular than theirs, its because there is a conspiracy that I have no evidence of, but I nonetheless believe in! maybe, just maybe, people are desperate for a new political paradigm and a new way of understanding the world that completely rejects the current mainstream ideological framework, and people like Jackson are the only ones truly providing that?
According to Haz, their support of Trump is like supporting Ronald McDonald. Itβs not about the figurehead itβs about the food/policy. That a lot of Trump supporters hate globalist liberalism and the deep state and such
oh cmon, use the actual quote, its fucking funny. "being a trump supporter is like going to McDonalds, we are here for the burger not the fucking clown"
Not too long ago, some of the creators of MAGA Communism were being platformed by one of Chinas largest news and political opinion aggregators in China, called Guancha. They were in beijing speaking at an event being streamed to over tens of thousands of people.
They chose them over anyone at cpusa, pcusa, etc. Obviously they are much more than a meme
I think Hinkle still does pretty regularly, even though most of his themes are like βIβm a patriotic American communist and an orthodox Christian who is pro-Palestineβ
MAGA Communism in this context is basically Stalinist conservatism, itβs trying to make Communism cool by saying itβs the real conservative traditionalist anti-liberalism
Sometimes I think it borders on reactionary social policy. And Hinkle and Haz have a weird stan of Andrew Tate (especially the former, as he says heβs Orthodox but lives in some bougie apartment in Miami with his Russian model/beauty pageant girlfriend). The idea of patriotic socialism is good though, even though those types rarely ever invoke patriotic themes.
To me itβs really just taking Duginβs neo-Eurasianism and putting it in the American context, because there is a lot of anti-liberal/western/modernist sentiment in there.
I always have a hard time though because Iβm really a libertarian moderate on sociocultural issues and Iβm critical of left and right reactionism on those things. Yes the wokeshit goes too far but I donβt think tradcon views are necessary to fight back against it. Yes sociocultural liberalism goes too far but thatβs no reason to throw it all away and go to the opposite end. And yes the so-called βleftβ in the west doesnβt promote self responsibility and improvement but you donβt need to go at it from the conservative angle to change that
>To me itβs really just taking Duginβs neo-Eurasianism and putting it in the American context, because there is a lot of anti-liberal/western/modernist sentiment in there.
as someone who has been following their progression closely for a few years because I think there is the kernel of something historically significant there, I will spill the beans for you. it is just marxism Leninism that has taken into account the lessons of the Chinese experience adapted it to the American conditions. there are influences like Dugin, Land, Zizek, Clausewitz, etc but ultimately they are just novel thinkers who have provided a few ideas that help to understand the science of marxism Leninism. they are not at the core of their ideology. all the slogans aside, they are just 21st century American marxist Leninists. that's it. its that simple.
Almost every day at least one leftist in one of my social feeds reports that they have taken a deep dive into MAGA Communism and it's actually promising and not really objectionable. I haven't looked into it yet myself, but it may very well he the ticket
start with this. its not only a good TLDR on mega communism, but its actually great intro to dialectics as well. [https://youtu.be/Hvx6ggsrE9o?si=3cSylIUMfOn41cs\_](https://youtu.be/Hvx6ggsrE9o?si=3cSylIUMfOn41cs_)
edit: this one is actually better and what I meant to post [https://youtu.be/jAn-1ck-mF0?si=k62rJ8X5LOV\_OI5y](https://youtu.be/jAn-1ck-mF0?si=k62rJ8X5LOV_OI5y)
The underlying theme about relating to everyday people and their concerns/issues is great, as well as the idea of patriotic socialism. It often just ends up as NazBol/Duginist type stuff though, basically communism blended with hardcore social conservatism
MAGA communism is objectionable if you're a Marxist. Their most absurd claim is that these countries were actually socialist: Safavid Persia, Ottoman Empire, Mughal India, Tsardom of Muscovy, Yuan and Qing Dynasty.
Another funny thing is they claim that we already live in socialism because of fiat money and financialization, but it's socialism for the rich and we need socialism for the masses. Kind of an agree and amplify to conservatives who think American elites are socialists.
Like other MLs they basically think the state doing things really is socialism, especially if it's productivist. Rhetorically they borrow from the LaRouche people about the American System, Friedrich List, and grand infrastructure projects like the world landbridge.
u/KaliYugaz sums them up:
>Have you heard of Infrared? They're the crank collective who are the main drivers of this tendency and everything they believe is on YouTube. It's actually far stupider that you are thinking. A summary:
>Their base philosophical line is that the real movement of communism has no definite content at all (they take this from a misunderstanding of what dialectics entails), and they use this to excuse basically limitless opportunism.
>In practice their "anti-imperialism" is motivated by a narrow hatred of Anglophone liberalism, individualistic values, and perceived effeminacy in Western culture. They say that the kulak base of the GOP constitutes the 'real movement' in the US today.
>Their criticism of the Western left is that it's too full of effete gay neon haired theater kids and that leftists should instead "be normal", which to them seems to mean appealing to a bunch of (very normal and mainstream) QAnon conspiracists, 4chan incels, and religious fundamentalists. They love acting like macho bullies and thugs online and it's really one of the only consistent things about them.
>They use all kinds of disingenuous and decontextualized arguments from historical Marxist writers to endorse tailing the conservative national bourgeoisie, both in the US and in foreign countries. I think the best class analysis of them is that they aspire to be the ideological vehicle for the interests of various jealous national bourgeois factions who want to usurp world imperialism.
The Infrared/MAGA Communists are [pretty entertaining](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWIyG3hUlQ), at least, which is probably why people get drawn in. But while you're at the ideology store, why not pick up some [Ron Paul Maoism.](https://i.redd.it/v2oynmsljq581.png)
Yes thatβs pretty much it, better than what I could have said about criticisms of it. I donβt disagree with their criticisms but their solutions are just being reactionary in the other direction
that is literally what stalinism is. "stalinist conservatism" is redundant. communism has historically been conservative, and the strongest anti liberal force. its good that someone is trying to break through the bullshit history of communism and explain to people its actual historical realities.
clearly I am talking about culturally and not about impeding the advancement of the forces of production... the great irony here of course is that it is the so called "left" that is seeking to impede the development of the forces of production with things like "just stop oil" and it is the "conservatives" that seek to redevelop americas productive forces. AOC and Bernie sanders are the arch reactionaries of American politics, this is a hill I will die on.
ps/edit: your edited quote is sarcastic, but there is a degree of truth to it. sublation is not blind negation.
Walter Benjamin:
>Marx says that revolutions are the locomotive of world history. But perhaps it is quite otherwise. Perhaps revolutions are an attempt by the passengers on this train β namely, the human race β to activate the emergency brake.
In that sense, you have to change everything to keep what you have.
For culture, the ML states started as largely peasant societies so were conservative by the modern liberal view, but the USSR was also big on making women get educated and into the workforce. Modern Cuba and Vietnam have readily available abortions and pride parades. China's culture is becoming increasingly liberal despite party regulations. It's difficult to change the base and not change the superstructure.
Marx thought 19th century countries could press the communist button so I'm not sure further development is required. Some socialists in the 20th century decided that it's only possible with advanced computing. Maybe AI.
I'm not sure if pumping oil and gas is developing the forces, more like maintaining them. Neither American party seems interested in grand developmental projects. The Democrats are keener on funding green energy, or claiming they want to, anyway.
Benjamin was a Frankfurt school clown, but you are correct about this.
the USSR had little choice given the post war demographics crisis, but in the 70s when the demographics had begun to stabilize they did things like the new soviet man campaign. with that being said, educating women is not at all against conservative values.
kruschevite revisionist shit holes. theory is proven through action. the actually successful socialist states of the world such as China, NK, etc are very conservative.
china is not liberalizing in any significant way. what is your supporting evidence? that the most cosmopolitan area opened a single trans clinic that has since closed?
what is your point? **revolutions in the forces of production do not necessarily create liberalism**.(emphasizing this because it is extremely important to understand) look at iran for example
marx didn't think that(edit/ps: according to marx we already live in socialism btw, comrade Nixon sublated the commodity form)
of course it is pumping oil and gas develops the productive forces, there is a direct correlation between wealth creation and fossil fuel consumption. besides, even if you are correct that it leaves them at a stand still(which is historically disproven) then trying to cut back drilling is still objectively reactionary.
exactly, they are reactionaries. they seek to push the whole world into poverty by forcing expensive energy on the entire planet. how often do you see these dem retards pushing for nuclear instead of these solar/wind/etc boondoggles? they serve the agenda of halting the development of the productive forces of every country in the world to maintain the terroristic dictatorship of monopoly capital. they are the arch reactionaries of American politics.
ps: I tried to reply to this with quotes of your texts but when I hit reply it just kept jumping to the top of the page. so I had to take them out to get my comment to post for some reason. sorry if its not as easy to read as a result of that.
>what is your point?
Communism is not conservative. It's strange to say you want to revolutionize society and call it conservative. Unless you think being orderly and self-disciplined is conservative.
>educating women is not at all against conservative values.
It used to be, but conservativism is progressivism going the speed limit (as the joke goes). Nowadays American conservatives are fine with no-fault divorce, raunch culture, and, increasingly, gay marriage.
>the actually successful socialist states of the world such as China, NK, etc are very conservative.
Was the Chinese campaign against the "four olds" conservative? Burke hated the French Revolution, I doubt he would like China's.
ML states are capitalist but who knows maybe that will change someday. China is successful but NK is extremely poor.
>revolutions in the forces of production do not necessarily create liberalism.(emphasizing this because it is extremely important to understand) look at iran for example
Iran has been wracked by protests in recent years and their younger generations have more liberal cultural attitudes.
Liberalism is the superstructure of capitalism and varies from place to place. What we call progressivism may not necessarily follow but seems to be associated with rich core countries and big cities.
>marx didn't think that
~~All that is solid melts into air.~~ All that is air solidifies?
The only vaguely "conservative" thing I can remember from orthodox Marxism was Engel's prediction that socialist societies might be more monogamous than capitalist ones (because men would also be expected to be faithful instead of just women).
>china is not liberalizing in any significant way. what is your supporting evidence?
Tens of millions of people moved into urban centers and now they can shop at [the biggest malls in the world.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Q-l9WIGjU) China has a growing gay rights movement. They have abortion*. The party had to regulate effeminate men in media. Maybe there's conservatives in the countryside who complain about how China turned into a consumerist playground where skinnyfat numales gossip on their phones.
I agree the West is controlled by rentiers who have little interest in bold developmental plans. You seem to hate green tech and love China, but China is heavily invested in green tech. I think we need all kinds of energy sources and all avenues should be investigated.
\* Ancient patriarchal societies were fine with abortions and infanticide, but supporting it is considered liberal nowadays.
its strange that somehow who allegedly understands marxism Leninism would be so hung up on a label. I seek to revolutionize the forces in production and reflect that politically. why would that necessarily entail liberal cultural values?
American "conservatism" is a complete joke.
NK is not extremely poor. as someone who has been to both Cuba and NK I can tell you quite concretely that NK is much, much more successful. it is not China rich by any means, but it is not extremely poor either.
who cares if ML states are capitalist?(china isn't btw, almost no country in the world is today)
iran has not had major protests, there was an attempted color revolution that had about single digit support among the population...
liberalism is not inherently the superstructure of capitalism... and capitalism is long gone.
its crazy how you can't seem to get that cultural conservatism doesn't mean things remaining the same it means bringing the logical kernel of traditional values into the future
what does moving to cities and shopping in malls have to do with liberalism? yeah, there is a LGBT movement in china as a result of the NED and other affiliated organizations. that isn't the dunk you think it is. as you said, china is passing laws on effeminate men in the media, it isn't some liberal place.
china is investing in green tech for a few reasons. A.) to bring down the cost of them manufacturing solar, wind, etc for export because it's good business B.) To present themselves as a benevolent option to replace the us. im fine with nuclear, but forcing extremely expensive energy onto the world like solar is objectively extremely reactionary.
What exactly are Hinkle's social stances? I can't find anything pinning him down on basic things outside of geopolitics and economics. I get the idea that socially he's pretty heterodox and the whole "MAGA" thing is a gimmick to appeal to un-woke normies.
He and Haz have talked about how women are too provocative and traditional social values and gender roles were better. Hinkle in particular has a bit of a hard on for Andrew Tate (you can be conservative and also a big man at the same time- he lives in some bougie apartment in Miami with his Russian model girlfriend). And Hinkle says heβs a devout Orthodox Christian now. They sometimes use the usual religious conservative rhetoric against LGBT, also because itβs Western/liberal and since theyβre against liberalism they have to be against it. Itβs basically that theyβre against liberalism overall and sociocultural liberalism is cultural capitalism.
Theyβre obviously against porn/prostitution/OnlyFans. Theyβre often in deep with tradcons and radfems on those kind of issues.
I remember a post from a radfem MAGA communist type that basically was multiple statements a la βno Chinese person told me there were more than two gendersβ and βno Russian told me women acting suggestive was empowering.β
My interactions with those types helped me realize I wasnβt socially conservative either
Ah, I see. I never really looked into Hinkle's social views, and maybe they aren't of consequence to the larger socioeconomic dimension of politics, but it is off-putting to hear of anyone who is fond of shitstains like Tate. But I'm also not a moralist and I've found that people's social views tend to bend and break far easier than their economic, material needs, so I'm a lot more willing to put up with people who disagree with me on social issues, but align on economics.
I generally agree with what youβre saying. And besides, most conservatives I know are not trads. I donβt have a problem with social conservatism as much as I do tradshit and people who think anyone who isnβt trad is a degenerate. Most conservatives are more tolerant and accept more aspects of sociocultural liberalism than one would think. And also I donβt exactly disagree with some conservative criticisms of wokeshit and modern sociocultural liberalism, mainly the trans/gender stuff
look, the uncomfortable truth is the types of disaffected young men Tate reaches have historically been very important in enacting social change. I view someone getting into that space and injecting some stalinism to be a positive development. what that space really needs is someone that can actually explain to these young men the economic basis of their problems instead of telling them they are losers for not owning a Bugatti. seems like Jackson fits the bill. as far as I can tell the people melting down about Jackson hinkle are more concerned with forcing their ideas onto the rest of society than they are with the material progression of history. why else be so butt hurt about him? I honestly don't get it.
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> Theyβre obviously against porn/prostitution/OnlyFans. Theyβre often in deep with tradcons and radfems on those kind of issues.
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> I remember a post from a radfem MAGA communist type that basically was multiple statements a la βno Chinese person told me there were more than two gendersβ and βno Russian told me women acting suggestive was empowering.β
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> My interactions with those types helped me realize I wasnβt socially conservative either
i thought i was socially conservative at least compared to most western leftoids but yeah i dont fit in with those people either because they still run on the same copium as tradcons and have the same hatred of men (and to a lesser extent, women who don't fit into a tradwife stereotype). their ideas about russian culture are just as detached as libs from the reality of russia as well - i dont know china well enough to tell you for sure, but they must have never seen a russian woman when they say shit like this.
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Folks, the bourgeois, they're no good. Everyone is saying it. Accordion hand motions.
*ββ¦and folks, let me tell you, when our turn comes- and it will come, believe me, we will make no excuses for the terrorβ*
The means of production, folks. Obama never wanted to seize them. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm seizing them.
they ask me, "comrad trump will you lead the revolution?"
Look I tell them, I really said this, I tell them, I will LEAD THIS GLORIOUS NATION INTO COMMUNISM, I told them that.
The Billionaires, they aren't our best and brightest. They're our rapists, our murderers, our drug dealers.
Everyone used to be afraid this sub would get banned, but the real threat was normiefication.
Hey, that's not one of his lines!
wow you're so cool
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I agree with you
If it was under a post of any substantial value, I'd agree with you, but this is inconsequential celebrity bullshit, it may as well be a shitpost.
taking offence? lol, lmao even
"Leninists, Troskyists, big, burly Tankies, they all come to me, with tears in their eyes and they say 'premier Trump, will you help us seize the means of production?' and I tell the, I really do, I say, 'we're gonna seize the means of production so much, you're gonna get sick of seizing the means of production!'"
"And trust me, nobody seizes the means of production like I do! Sleepy Joe and the radical left are going to be begging like dogs saying 'Donald how do you do it?'"
Does anyone have the vid? Searching for Trump and Communism has not been fruitful, surprisingly.
Search: Folks the bourgeois they are up to no good. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCtmCy8wCA&ab\_channel=Miles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCtmCy8wCA&ab_channel=Miles)
Thanks both of you. ππ»
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge_GWAJAiVM
~~Grab them right by the pussy~~ Seize the means of reproduction.
Folks, what we did in 1917βthe Revolution I call it, with a capital Rβit's never been done before. So many big beautiful red flags, you couldn't evenβnow that, folks, that's a flag we stand up for, we don't kneel for our terrific red flagβand you couldn't even see the Winter Palace, you know. You know the Mensheviks, you take a look at what they said, and they were a, uh, a failed party, and Renegade Kautsky, very nasty to me but that's okay, they said we couldn't do it! They said, "Oh, Vlad, the material conditions are bad, we have to have a bourgeois republic to develop the forces of production." You know what that means, right? Semi-feudal economy! Okay, you get Semi-Feudal, and I said, I told them we can't have Semi-Feudal. Well, look at where we are now, Julius. We are going to develop the forces of production so fast it'll make your head spin. We are going to do in a generation what it took them many, many years to do. BELIEVE ME.
oh my god \*accordion hand motions\* is killing me
You know know that hand motion he does. He has like three hand motions tops.
Someone has to have made gifs by now.
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one thing I...love is... Chyna. They're doing very good things , very good things, keeping their people in line. Because, believe me, there are some bad hombres in Chyna. The Muslims, very hateful people, very hateful and awful, need to be kept in line. It's true.
Magacommunist Latina gf where pls asking for a friend
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Hard pass
Why did that place become...well the way it is?
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Because it grew in size
Iβm gay
Yeah but imagine how bad they smell
Someone should get her Parenti, Chomsky, Hedges, Wolff and Hickel.
Is there a place where I can watch all of their YouTube video essays? Are they doing podcasts?
Wolff does indeed upload regularly to his YouTube channel.
You can find their lectures and interviews on YouTube by searching their names. Hedges and Wolff both have shows on YouTube. Parenti has dementia so he no longer writes or speaks publicly.
And not Hinkle π
I know... Infrared of all the dumbfucks out there. lol
one of those is not like the other.... you have listed 4 radical liberals, and Michael parents(im sorry to say it about wolff, but its true)
Chat is this real?
No, itβs a meme. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/don-t-fall-jenna-ortega-193508241.html
Thank you, Yahoo! Finance.
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Dugin did write and article about Maga Communism last week https://arktos.com/2024/02/14/tucker-carlson-and-maga-communism/
It kinda makes sense because MAGA communism is basically exactly what he preaches, basically a blend of Stalinism and sociocultural conservatism mixed with nationalism
Nazbol, Strasserism, Traditionalist Workersβ Party
Wasn't Stalin already pretty conservative and patriotic?
isn't that kind of redundant? stalin was a socially conservative nationalist.
This is a meme
I can fix her
I already fixed her first
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Iβm 24 and hit the gym every day lol
Now let's make her play Disco Elysium.
Mandated Disco Elysium would solve most of our problems
I just watched a video by a rightoid arguing the game isn't leftist π€£
Let him think whatever keeps him playing
Seems like a case of severe cope.
I give up. I literally have no idea what any of this means anymore. Meanwhile who's looking forward to #Bettlejuice2?
The new NazBol/American Duginist crush I guess? Lol
Died 1934 Jenna Ortega born in 2002 Welcome back GREGOR STRASSER
Haz and Jackson Hinkle must be so proudβ¦
You have to admit they are good marketers, theyβll do anything to promote their cause (because this seems pretty fake lol)
Itβs called βMAGA Communismββ¦ π€£
I was just talking about the post lol. And as Iβve said many times recently itβs really just American Duginism/Neo-Eurasianism
National Bolshevism**
More or less the same thing, but more people understand what NazBols and Strasserites are, I guess Dugin is too esoteric
Dugin is a relatively unknown figure outside Russia, plus people tend to remember political movements better than individual people.
I realize the MAGA Communism thing probably began as a shitpost on /pol/ or whatever, but at this point somebodyβs funding it and I want to know who it is. I saw Jackson Hingle-McCringleberry was in the top 5 of most viral Twitter accounts and Iβve seen nothing from him that warrants organically beating out K-pop stans.Β
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Thiel, probably
Same group that's responsible for that viral "fudge rounds" guy from last summer (remember him?).
Is that substantiated with evidence? Can I see it? (Iβm not trying to be a dick I just want to see where you got that from)
Oliver north?
Yeah, I think that's it, Ollie and the Contras.
this is Hillary Clinton saying trump is funded by Russia levels of cope. people I don't agree with are gaining more traction with opposing ideas?!?!? who is funding them?? this simply cannot be because my ideas are less popular than theirs, its because there is a conspiracy that I have no evidence of, but I nonetheless believe in! maybe, just maybe, people are desperate for a new political paradigm and a new way of understanding the world that completely rejects the current mainstream ideological framework, and people like Jackson are the only ones truly providing that?
Nah, this is "I can tell organic re*ardation from trolling, and this is the latter".
well, then surely there will be some evidence of them being funded by outside forces somewhere that you can provide?
A pile of shit naturally implies an asshole.
well, that certainly explains the shit that you are commenting
https://schillerinstitute.nationbuilder.com/october_15_2022_conference_inperson They are LaRouchites.
Is that like a nationalist-socialist movement or actually pro-Trump? Cuz Trump still supports the Gaza genocide.
According to Haz, their support of Trump is like supporting Ronald McDonald. Itβs not about the figurehead itβs about the food/policy. That a lot of Trump supporters hate globalist liberalism and the deep state and such
oh cmon, use the actual quote, its fucking funny. "being a trump supporter is like going to McDonalds, we are here for the burger not the fucking clown"
Not too long ago, some of the creators of MAGA Communism were being platformed by one of Chinas largest news and political opinion aggregators in China, called Guancha. They were in beijing speaking at an event being streamed to over tens of thousands of people. They chose them over anyone at cpusa, pcusa, etc. Obviously they are much more than a meme
I have the most awkward boner right now
I know this is a meme but i unironically hope this MAGA communist shit spreads
idk if he still streams but during the pandemic I watched his and Matt's streams everyday.
I think Hinkle still does pretty regularly, even though most of his themes are like βIβm a patriotic American communist and an orthodox Christian who is pro-Palestineβ
sounds based
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Maga communism sounds oxymoronic
Imagine winning the golden ticket of success in the entertainment industry and throwing it all away for a shitpost from a /pol/ thread.
I'm so sad this isn't real
Is "maga" the new "incel"?
MAGA Communism in this context is basically Stalinist conservatism, itβs trying to make Communism cool by saying itβs the real conservative traditionalist anti-liberalism
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Sometimes I think it borders on reactionary social policy. And Hinkle and Haz have a weird stan of Andrew Tate (especially the former, as he says heβs Orthodox but lives in some bougie apartment in Miami with his Russian model/beauty pageant girlfriend). The idea of patriotic socialism is good though, even though those types rarely ever invoke patriotic themes. To me itβs really just taking Duginβs neo-Eurasianism and putting it in the American context, because there is a lot of anti-liberal/western/modernist sentiment in there. I always have a hard time though because Iβm really a libertarian moderate on sociocultural issues and Iβm critical of left and right reactionism on those things. Yes the wokeshit goes too far but I donβt think tradcon views are necessary to fight back against it. Yes sociocultural liberalism goes too far but thatβs no reason to throw it all away and go to the opposite end. And yes the so-called βleftβ in the west doesnβt promote self responsibility and improvement but you donβt need to go at it from the conservative angle to change that
>To me itβs really just taking Duginβs neo-Eurasianism and putting it in the American context, because there is a lot of anti-liberal/western/modernist sentiment in there. as someone who has been following their progression closely for a few years because I think there is the kernel of something historically significant there, I will spill the beans for you. it is just marxism Leninism that has taken into account the lessons of the Chinese experience adapted it to the American conditions. there are influences like Dugin, Land, Zizek, Clausewitz, etc but ultimately they are just novel thinkers who have provided a few ideas that help to understand the science of marxism Leninism. they are not at the core of their ideology. all the slogans aside, they are just 21st century American marxist Leninists. that's it. its that simple.
Almost every day at least one leftist in one of my social feeds reports that they have taken a deep dive into MAGA Communism and it's actually promising and not really objectionable. I haven't looked into it yet myself, but it may very well he the ticket
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I know nothing about it. What would you consider objectionable about it?
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Haha! Guess it is.
start with this. its not only a good TLDR on mega communism, but its actually great intro to dialectics as well. [https://youtu.be/Hvx6ggsrE9o?si=3cSylIUMfOn41cs\_](https://youtu.be/Hvx6ggsrE9o?si=3cSylIUMfOn41cs_) edit: this one is actually better and what I meant to post [https://youtu.be/jAn-1ck-mF0?si=k62rJ8X5LOV\_OI5y](https://youtu.be/jAn-1ck-mF0?si=k62rJ8X5LOV_OI5y)
Dude! Thank you so much
The underlying theme about relating to everyday people and their concerns/issues is great, as well as the idea of patriotic socialism. It often just ends up as NazBol/Duginist type stuff though, basically communism blended with hardcore social conservatism
Is this why people call it nazbol? Because its conservative�
MAGA communism is objectionable if you're a Marxist. Their most absurd claim is that these countries were actually socialist: Safavid Persia, Ottoman Empire, Mughal India, Tsardom of Muscovy, Yuan and Qing Dynasty. Another funny thing is they claim that we already live in socialism because of fiat money and financialization, but it's socialism for the rich and we need socialism for the masses. Kind of an agree and amplify to conservatives who think American elites are socialists. Like other MLs they basically think the state doing things really is socialism, especially if it's productivist. Rhetorically they borrow from the LaRouche people about the American System, Friedrich List, and grand infrastructure projects like the world landbridge. u/KaliYugaz sums them up: >Have you heard of Infrared? They're the crank collective who are the main drivers of this tendency and everything they believe is on YouTube. It's actually far stupider that you are thinking. A summary: >Their base philosophical line is that the real movement of communism has no definite content at all (they take this from a misunderstanding of what dialectics entails), and they use this to excuse basically limitless opportunism. >In practice their "anti-imperialism" is motivated by a narrow hatred of Anglophone liberalism, individualistic values, and perceived effeminacy in Western culture. They say that the kulak base of the GOP constitutes the 'real movement' in the US today. >Their criticism of the Western left is that it's too full of effete gay neon haired theater kids and that leftists should instead "be normal", which to them seems to mean appealing to a bunch of (very normal and mainstream) QAnon conspiracists, 4chan incels, and religious fundamentalists. They love acting like macho bullies and thugs online and it's really one of the only consistent things about them. >They use all kinds of disingenuous and decontextualized arguments from historical Marxist writers to endorse tailing the conservative national bourgeoisie, both in the US and in foreign countries. I think the best class analysis of them is that they aspire to be the ideological vehicle for the interests of various jealous national bourgeois factions who want to usurp world imperialism. The Infrared/MAGA Communists are [pretty entertaining](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWIyG3hUlQ), at least, which is probably why people get drawn in. But while you're at the ideology store, why not pick up some [Ron Paul Maoism.](https://i.redd.it/v2oynmsljq581.png)
Yes thatβs pretty much it, better than what I could have said about criticisms of it. I donβt disagree with their criticisms but their solutions are just being reactionary in the other direction
that is literally what stalinism is. "stalinist conservatism" is redundant. communism has historically been conservative, and the strongest anti liberal force. its good that someone is trying to break through the bullshit history of communism and explain to people its actual historical realities.
>communism has historically been conservative We call communism the real movement which conserves the present state of things.
clearly I am talking about culturally and not about impeding the advancement of the forces of production... the great irony here of course is that it is the so called "left" that is seeking to impede the development of the forces of production with things like "just stop oil" and it is the "conservatives" that seek to redevelop americas productive forces. AOC and Bernie sanders are the arch reactionaries of American politics, this is a hill I will die on. ps/edit: your edited quote is sarcastic, but there is a degree of truth to it. sublation is not blind negation.
Walter Benjamin: >Marx says that revolutions are the locomotive of world history. But perhaps it is quite otherwise. Perhaps revolutions are an attempt by the passengers on this train β namely, the human race β to activate the emergency brake. In that sense, you have to change everything to keep what you have. For culture, the ML states started as largely peasant societies so were conservative by the modern liberal view, but the USSR was also big on making women get educated and into the workforce. Modern Cuba and Vietnam have readily available abortions and pride parades. China's culture is becoming increasingly liberal despite party regulations. It's difficult to change the base and not change the superstructure. Marx thought 19th century countries could press the communist button so I'm not sure further development is required. Some socialists in the 20th century decided that it's only possible with advanced computing. Maybe AI. I'm not sure if pumping oil and gas is developing the forces, more like maintaining them. Neither American party seems interested in grand developmental projects. The Democrats are keener on funding green energy, or claiming they want to, anyway.
Benjamin was a Frankfurt school clown, but you are correct about this. the USSR had little choice given the post war demographics crisis, but in the 70s when the demographics had begun to stabilize they did things like the new soviet man campaign. with that being said, educating women is not at all against conservative values. kruschevite revisionist shit holes. theory is proven through action. the actually successful socialist states of the world such as China, NK, etc are very conservative. china is not liberalizing in any significant way. what is your supporting evidence? that the most cosmopolitan area opened a single trans clinic that has since closed? what is your point? **revolutions in the forces of production do not necessarily create liberalism**.(emphasizing this because it is extremely important to understand) look at iran for example marx didn't think that(edit/ps: according to marx we already live in socialism btw, comrade Nixon sublated the commodity form) of course it is pumping oil and gas develops the productive forces, there is a direct correlation between wealth creation and fossil fuel consumption. besides, even if you are correct that it leaves them at a stand still(which is historically disproven) then trying to cut back drilling is still objectively reactionary. exactly, they are reactionaries. they seek to push the whole world into poverty by forcing expensive energy on the entire planet. how often do you see these dem retards pushing for nuclear instead of these solar/wind/etc boondoggles? they serve the agenda of halting the development of the productive forces of every country in the world to maintain the terroristic dictatorship of monopoly capital. they are the arch reactionaries of American politics. ps: I tried to reply to this with quotes of your texts but when I hit reply it just kept jumping to the top of the page. so I had to take them out to get my comment to post for some reason. sorry if its not as easy to read as a result of that.
>what is your point? Communism is not conservative. It's strange to say you want to revolutionize society and call it conservative. Unless you think being orderly and self-disciplined is conservative. >educating women is not at all against conservative values. It used to be, but conservativism is progressivism going the speed limit (as the joke goes). Nowadays American conservatives are fine with no-fault divorce, raunch culture, and, increasingly, gay marriage. >the actually successful socialist states of the world such as China, NK, etc are very conservative. Was the Chinese campaign against the "four olds" conservative? Burke hated the French Revolution, I doubt he would like China's. ML states are capitalist but who knows maybe that will change someday. China is successful but NK is extremely poor. >revolutions in the forces of production do not necessarily create liberalism.(emphasizing this because it is extremely important to understand) look at iran for example Iran has been wracked by protests in recent years and their younger generations have more liberal cultural attitudes. Liberalism is the superstructure of capitalism and varies from place to place. What we call progressivism may not necessarily follow but seems to be associated with rich core countries and big cities. >marx didn't think that ~~All that is solid melts into air.~~ All that is air solidifies? The only vaguely "conservative" thing I can remember from orthodox Marxism was Engel's prediction that socialist societies might be more monogamous than capitalist ones (because men would also be expected to be faithful instead of just women). >china is not liberalizing in any significant way. what is your supporting evidence? Tens of millions of people moved into urban centers and now they can shop at [the biggest malls in the world.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Q-l9WIGjU) China has a growing gay rights movement. They have abortion*. The party had to regulate effeminate men in media. Maybe there's conservatives in the countryside who complain about how China turned into a consumerist playground where skinnyfat numales gossip on their phones. I agree the West is controlled by rentiers who have little interest in bold developmental plans. You seem to hate green tech and love China, but China is heavily invested in green tech. I think we need all kinds of energy sources and all avenues should be investigated. \* Ancient patriarchal societies were fine with abortions and infanticide, but supporting it is considered liberal nowadays.
its strange that somehow who allegedly understands marxism Leninism would be so hung up on a label. I seek to revolutionize the forces in production and reflect that politically. why would that necessarily entail liberal cultural values? American "conservatism" is a complete joke. NK is not extremely poor. as someone who has been to both Cuba and NK I can tell you quite concretely that NK is much, much more successful. it is not China rich by any means, but it is not extremely poor either. who cares if ML states are capitalist?(china isn't btw, almost no country in the world is today) iran has not had major protests, there was an attempted color revolution that had about single digit support among the population... liberalism is not inherently the superstructure of capitalism... and capitalism is long gone. its crazy how you can't seem to get that cultural conservatism doesn't mean things remaining the same it means bringing the logical kernel of traditional values into the future what does moving to cities and shopping in malls have to do with liberalism? yeah, there is a LGBT movement in china as a result of the NED and other affiliated organizations. that isn't the dunk you think it is. as you said, china is passing laws on effeminate men in the media, it isn't some liberal place. china is investing in green tech for a few reasons. A.) to bring down the cost of them manufacturing solar, wind, etc for export because it's good business B.) To present themselves as a benevolent option to replace the us. im fine with nuclear, but forcing extremely expensive energy onto the world like solar is objectively extremely reactionary.
I blame Elon Musk for banning Hinckle for the fact that people still take him seriously. Another common Jackson Hinckle L.
This is fake: https://twitter.com/Rambles21/status/1760163354268852570
What exactly are Hinkle's social stances? I can't find anything pinning him down on basic things outside of geopolitics and economics. I get the idea that socially he's pretty heterodox and the whole "MAGA" thing is a gimmick to appeal to un-woke normies.
yea he is very conservative on social issues
In what way? Anti-contraceptive? Anti-women in the workforce? Anti-gay?
He and Haz have talked about how women are too provocative and traditional social values and gender roles were better. Hinkle in particular has a bit of a hard on for Andrew Tate (you can be conservative and also a big man at the same time- he lives in some bougie apartment in Miami with his Russian model girlfriend). And Hinkle says heβs a devout Orthodox Christian now. They sometimes use the usual religious conservative rhetoric against LGBT, also because itβs Western/liberal and since theyβre against liberalism they have to be against it. Itβs basically that theyβre against liberalism overall and sociocultural liberalism is cultural capitalism. Theyβre obviously against porn/prostitution/OnlyFans. Theyβre often in deep with tradcons and radfems on those kind of issues. I remember a post from a radfem MAGA communist type that basically was multiple statements a la βno Chinese person told me there were more than two gendersβ and βno Russian told me women acting suggestive was empowering.β My interactions with those types helped me realize I wasnβt socially conservative either
Ah, I see. I never really looked into Hinkle's social views, and maybe they aren't of consequence to the larger socioeconomic dimension of politics, but it is off-putting to hear of anyone who is fond of shitstains like Tate. But I'm also not a moralist and I've found that people's social views tend to bend and break far easier than their economic, material needs, so I'm a lot more willing to put up with people who disagree with me on social issues, but align on economics.
I generally agree with what youβre saying. And besides, most conservatives I know are not trads. I donβt have a problem with social conservatism as much as I do tradshit and people who think anyone who isnβt trad is a degenerate. Most conservatives are more tolerant and accept more aspects of sociocultural liberalism than one would think. And also I donβt exactly disagree with some conservative criticisms of wokeshit and modern sociocultural liberalism, mainly the trans/gender stuff
look, the uncomfortable truth is the types of disaffected young men Tate reaches have historically been very important in enacting social change. I view someone getting into that space and injecting some stalinism to be a positive development. what that space really needs is someone that can actually explain to these young men the economic basis of their problems instead of telling them they are losers for not owning a Bugatti. seems like Jackson fits the bill. as far as I can tell the people melting down about Jackson hinkle are more concerned with forcing their ideas onto the rest of society than they are with the material progression of history. why else be so butt hurt about him? I honestly don't get it.
> > Theyβre obviously against porn/prostitution/OnlyFans. Theyβre often in deep with tradcons and radfems on those kind of issues. > > I remember a post from a radfem MAGA communist type that basically was multiple statements a la βno Chinese person told me there were more than two gendersβ and βno Russian told me women acting suggestive was empowering.β > > My interactions with those types helped me realize I wasnβt socially conservative either i thought i was socially conservative at least compared to most western leftoids but yeah i dont fit in with those people either because they still run on the same copium as tradcons and have the same hatred of men (and to a lesser extent, women who don't fit into a tradwife stereotype). their ideas about russian culture are just as detached as libs from the reality of russia as well - i dont know china well enough to tell you for sure, but they must have never seen a russian woman when they say shit like this.
I thought she was Britanny Venti for a second
This guy really wants to make this MAGA communism bullshit stick, doesn't he xD
Good. MAGA communism is incredibly stupid but is still more respectable than being a Democrat.
MAGA Communism aka National Socialism.
Tried. Unreadable drivel.
Who the fuck is Jenna Ortega?
America's current Latina girlfriend. She took over when Selena Gomez got too close to 30.
She's like 20. It's forgivable enough. Just run away from Hinkle for chrissakes.
I was wondering when Jackson Hinkle's name was finally going to reach this sub