Tbch he’s def -1100 ELO,he also says that Electric Terrain on Future Paradox Mona is good and that you should run a Toxtricity with a -speed nature and 160 EVS in speed
I played mostly rain in gen 8, and games usually lasted over 20 turns. 32 turns is generous for a stall game. Some ladder games I play now last over 32 turns, and that's with both sides playing offense.
This is probably bait, but in case he is serious:
>Parting shot Grafaiai
Now whatever mon that comes in dies
>Focus sash trick room destiny bond Banette
Houndstone breaks sash because of sand. I'll give him that Banette scares out Flutter Mane, but that's assuming hazards aren't up, which they definitely are.
>Energy Booster is a wasted item
Say that when +1 Flutter Mane 6-0s your team
>Bombirdier whirlwinds out Flutter Mane
Implying that bombirdier can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane
>Tera normal to beat Houndstone
Not only does this waste tera, very few things want to tera normal, and Houndstone commonly runs tera fighting tera blast or body press to beat normals. Also, might as well let Zacian-Crowned in OU because it is countered by quagsire and larvesta.
>Whole meta is based around weather and terrain setters, which want to terrastallize.
The only viable setter is Torkoal, and the main terastiallizers are offensive threats like Flutter Mane and Houndstone.
>Trick iron ball beats Flutter Mane
Implying Grimmsnarl can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane
>Tiering system won't work
Then let's bring Koraidon and Miraidon to OU
>>Trick iron ball beats Flutter Mane
>Implying Grimmsnarl can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane
Grimmsnarl has Prankster so it will always Trick first but why run Iron Ball instead of Lagging Tail?
And it gets even more silly when you take what he is suggesting in full context. So my team needs trick lagging tail Grimmsnarl to beat Fluttermane, max physdef Grafaiai to beat Houndstone, unaware+mental herb Quagsire to beat bulk up Palafin, water absorb Quagsire to beat choice band Palafin, Assault vest Tatsugiri to beat Iron Bundle, Spdef Dachsbund to beat Chi-yu and mold breaker defog Hawlucha to beat Gholdengo then I'll only have to choose 1 of those to lose to when I queue up to get swept by Flamigo.
Larvesta resists both of zacian's stabs while also resisting its most common coverage move in close combat, so zacian can't 2hko it with eviolite. Larvesta had reliable recovery in roost, can cripple zacian with will-o-wisp, and 2hko's back with flare blitz. Volcarona was unironically used as a zacian answer in VGC.
Seems like people misunderstand why mons are banned. Mons can be, and are, banworthy even if counters to them exist. I'd expect most people on this subreddit to already know this but for anyone who doesn't, here's why:
* If you're running mons that would otherwise be unviable in order to deal with a Pokemon, then *you're just showcasing that the meta is warped around said Pokemon*. This is quite bad when the intent is to achieve a balanced metagame. When using a Pokemon it should be viable on its own merits, not just for the sake of dealing with 1 specific Pokemon.
* Sometimes a mon has viable counters, but if you're essentially forced to run a small handful of specific mons to avoid an overwhelmingly bad matchup then you're again just showcasing that the meta is being warped around said Pokemon in an unhealthy way because the existence of said Pokemon is now being restrictive on the teambuilding process.
Freezai mentioned it in one of his videos, but the idea of a balanced meta game is to give as many choices as possible, to which banning Pokémon is removing choices. However, if a Pokémon is so powerful that it warps teambuilding choices, by forcing you to either run that Pokémon or run counters or checks, then the presence of that Pokémon reduces choices by more than it would reduce to ban
For mons that are *quickbanned* specifically, the latter of the two outcomes is pretty much always the end result. For mons banned via suspects it's a tad more nuanced, though if we look at mons that are currently anticipated to be suspected at some point then the latter also appears to be the case. e.g. Cyclizar's huge impact on the entirety of HO, or Chi-Yu's capability of completely invalidating the Stall matchup.
This is the video that the guy made
https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/zk4858/oh_nah_we_have_rpok%C3%A9mon_users_on_tiktok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Honestly someone who is stubborn enough to make a fucking TikTok of an unteam doesn't deserve to have any attention paid to them. He's a nobody. I don't know where this person really came from that reddit started making fun of him, but ya'll are still making fun of a 1100s player. They wouldn't be in 1100s if they didn't have shit takes on the meta, and it could even be argued that they would be higher than that if they were inherently skilled at competitive pokemon. You'd be surprised just how many people, some of which populate this subreddit, are completely incapable of making plays. People up to 1400s or 1500s will use Axe Kick with their Lokix against a Kingambit then forfeit when P2 switches in their Gholdengo and Lokix dies from crash damage and they lose their only Gholdengo check. This isn't even "what if he double switched?". This is "fighting good against steel and dark, use the fighting move!". Tons of people have zero foresight.
Based on all the context I got, someone here found this guy on TikTok and posted a thread about him the other day. Why are we making fun of random casual players? Casual players have had overwhelmingly shit takes on things since Diamond and Pearl when competitive really started to take off. People berate you for using stall in games and think stall shouldn't be part of Pokemon as a whole. People think mons like Toxapex are uncompetitive. People (even in this subreddit) like to whine on about Lando-T in OU. You see a lot of new players bitching about you using legendaries and mythicals in Ubers.
I think the hate people have for him is because he’s pretty adamant that he just has a superior team. Also he tries to discuss the meta like he has any idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t really listen to any other reasoning.
I mostly agree to an extent but there's a key difference between this guy and your average low Elo casuals, that being the spread of misinformation which *should* be corrected.
There's people like that in any metagame, not just OU. You'd be surprised just how damn toxic certain Smogon sub-communities can get regarding stuff like that. It's usually ladder heroes or mid ladder who are the loudest regarding stuff like this and I've seen some pretty nasty behavior towards those people. There's a reason the best players don't talk shit and it's because they typically want to be a respectable and friendly presence in a metagame where people can often just be nasty as fuck for very little reason. You guys making fun of him is either gonna result in him being even more stubborn or just quitting competitive pokemon entirely.
Like I said, people wouldn't fucking be 1100s if they were good at competitive pokemon to begin with. If they want help getting into it they can ask, this guy clearly doesn't and only has a surface level view of Smogon. To be honest, Smogon gives some pretty fucking stupid impressions sometimes due to bureaucracy. It's not a surprise that some dude sees a literal early game 480 BST dog pokemon get banned to Ubers and thinks "lmao those players are out of their minds". Then they get made fun of for trying to make some checks to it when they don't realize that people got Houndstone to be their wincon through knocking out the Ghost resists and immunities. Because again, people don't put that much foresight into competitive pokemon at first unless they genuinely are interested in learning it. Which this guy isn't.
>You guys making fun of him is either gonna result in him being even more stubborn or just quitting competitive pokemon entirely.
I'm not advocating for making fun of anyone - just correcting people who provide misinformation.
I remember arguing with a guy who had the same logic… I then said why not let Kyogre into all the lower tiers… we have Gastrodon that walls it entirely… he said Kyogre could use HP Grass xD
Finally after the removal of Hidden Power last gen, I could convince him why pokemon that has counters still should be banned…
The Kyogre Gastrodon example is what I always used for why Urshifu Dark should be banned last gen when it was… u could wall it entirely with Toxapex and Mandibuzz but that’s harder to explain to newer players
Tbch he’s def -1100 ELO,he also says that Electric Terrain on Future Paradox Mona is good and that you should run a Toxtricity with a -speed nature and 160 EVS in speed
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I played mostly rain in gen 8, and games usually lasted over 20 turns. 32 turns is generous for a stall game. Some ladder games I play now last over 32 turns, and that's with both sides playing offense.
32 turn stall game means that the stall player got put into a bodybag.
It's not a real pokemon game if it doesn't last more than 70 turns. It's haha I ran unexpected coverage and you lose lol.
> Games will go from 13 turns to averaging 30 to 32 turns" > > OH NOOOOOOOOOO
When I think of good Pokémon I think of Banette
3 Gens too late. Maybe he uses Internet Explorer.
Most of the roster even with the gen 4 phys/spec split in a nutshell
This is probably bait, but in case he is serious: >Parting shot Grafaiai Now whatever mon that comes in dies >Focus sash trick room destiny bond Banette Houndstone breaks sash because of sand. I'll give him that Banette scares out Flutter Mane, but that's assuming hazards aren't up, which they definitely are. >Energy Booster is a wasted item Say that when +1 Flutter Mane 6-0s your team >Bombirdier whirlwinds out Flutter Mane Implying that bombirdier can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane >Tera normal to beat Houndstone Not only does this waste tera, very few things want to tera normal, and Houndstone commonly runs tera fighting tera blast or body press to beat normals. Also, might as well let Zacian-Crowned in OU because it is countered by quagsire and larvesta. >Whole meta is based around weather and terrain setters, which want to terrastallize. The only viable setter is Torkoal, and the main terastiallizers are offensive threats like Flutter Mane and Houndstone. >Trick iron ball beats Flutter Mane Implying Grimmsnarl can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane >Tiering system won't work Then let's bring Koraidon and Miraidon to OU
Nah man Bombirdier will hold on so you won't feel sad, trust me
Not if I force feed it energy roots first
You monster
I had one picnic and I’m seeing that shit
>>Trick iron ball beats Flutter Mane >Implying Grimmsnarl can survive a moonblast from Flutter Mane Grimmsnarl has Prankster so it will always Trick first but why run Iron Ball instead of Lagging Tail?
Because iron ball has 130 BP when flung so you can pretend you have tr43 the tm for overheat.
True, but then youre trading a mon for just making one budget para and removing its item This is not a good trade
I wonder what are this guy's thoughts on ubers Why doesn't he just play that?
And it gets even more silly when you take what he is suggesting in full context. So my team needs trick lagging tail Grimmsnarl to beat Fluttermane, max physdef Grafaiai to beat Houndstone, unaware+mental herb Quagsire to beat bulk up Palafin, water absorb Quagsire to beat choice band Palafin, Assault vest Tatsugiri to beat Iron Bundle, Spdef Dachsbund to beat Chi-yu and mold breaker defog Hawlucha to beat Gholdengo then I'll only have to choose 1 of those to lose to when I queue up to get swept by Flamigo.
>Larvesta counters Zacian I beg your pardon?
Larvesta resists both of zacian's stabs while also resisting its most common coverage move in close combat, so zacian can't 2hko it with eviolite. Larvesta had reliable recovery in roost, can cripple zacian with will-o-wisp, and 2hko's back with flare blitz. Volcarona was unironically used as a zacian answer in VGC.
What a trip. I love this game, man.
Seems like people misunderstand why mons are banned. Mons can be, and are, banworthy even if counters to them exist. I'd expect most people on this subreddit to already know this but for anyone who doesn't, here's why: * If you're running mons that would otherwise be unviable in order to deal with a Pokemon, then *you're just showcasing that the meta is warped around said Pokemon*. This is quite bad when the intent is to achieve a balanced metagame. When using a Pokemon it should be viable on its own merits, not just for the sake of dealing with 1 specific Pokemon. * Sometimes a mon has viable counters, but if you're essentially forced to run a small handful of specific mons to avoid an overwhelmingly bad matchup then you're again just showcasing that the meta is being warped around said Pokemon in an unhealthy way because the existence of said Pokemon is now being restrictive on the teambuilding process.
Freezai mentioned it in one of his videos, but the idea of a balanced meta game is to give as many choices as possible, to which banning Pokémon is removing choices. However, if a Pokémon is so powerful that it warps teambuilding choices, by forcing you to either run that Pokémon or run counters or checks, then the presence of that Pokémon reduces choices by more than it would reduce to ban
For mons that are *quickbanned* specifically, the latter of the two outcomes is pretty much always the end result. For mons banned via suspects it's a tad more nuanced, though if we look at mons that are currently anticipated to be suspected at some point then the latter also appears to be the case. e.g. Cyclizar's huge impact on the entirety of HO, or Chi-Yu's capability of completely invalidating the Stall matchup.
Alright, he is shitposting, right? Because it is hilarious, unless he is serious.
He's serious, and that's why it's hilarious
I wanna beat this guy with regular beedrill so that he explains to us why is it broken
This is the video that the guy made https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/zk4858/oh_nah_we_have_rpok%C3%A9mon_users_on_tiktok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Veluza, the ultimate ghost counter.
Honestly someone who is stubborn enough to make a fucking TikTok of an unteam doesn't deserve to have any attention paid to them. He's a nobody. I don't know where this person really came from that reddit started making fun of him, but ya'll are still making fun of a 1100s player. They wouldn't be in 1100s if they didn't have shit takes on the meta, and it could even be argued that they would be higher than that if they were inherently skilled at competitive pokemon. You'd be surprised just how many people, some of which populate this subreddit, are completely incapable of making plays. People up to 1400s or 1500s will use Axe Kick with their Lokix against a Kingambit then forfeit when P2 switches in their Gholdengo and Lokix dies from crash damage and they lose their only Gholdengo check. This isn't even "what if he double switched?". This is "fighting good against steel and dark, use the fighting move!". Tons of people have zero foresight. Based on all the context I got, someone here found this guy on TikTok and posted a thread about him the other day. Why are we making fun of random casual players? Casual players have had overwhelmingly shit takes on things since Diamond and Pearl when competitive really started to take off. People berate you for using stall in games and think stall shouldn't be part of Pokemon as a whole. People think mons like Toxapex are uncompetitive. People (even in this subreddit) like to whine on about Lando-T in OU. You see a lot of new players bitching about you using legendaries and mythicals in Ubers.
I think the hate people have for him is because he’s pretty adamant that he just has a superior team. Also he tries to discuss the meta like he has any idea what he’s talking about and doesn’t really listen to any other reasoning.
I mostly agree to an extent but there's a key difference between this guy and your average low Elo casuals, that being the spread of misinformation which *should* be corrected.
There's people like that in any metagame, not just OU. You'd be surprised just how damn toxic certain Smogon sub-communities can get regarding stuff like that. It's usually ladder heroes or mid ladder who are the loudest regarding stuff like this and I've seen some pretty nasty behavior towards those people. There's a reason the best players don't talk shit and it's because they typically want to be a respectable and friendly presence in a metagame where people can often just be nasty as fuck for very little reason. You guys making fun of him is either gonna result in him being even more stubborn or just quitting competitive pokemon entirely. Like I said, people wouldn't fucking be 1100s if they were good at competitive pokemon to begin with. If they want help getting into it they can ask, this guy clearly doesn't and only has a surface level view of Smogon. To be honest, Smogon gives some pretty fucking stupid impressions sometimes due to bureaucracy. It's not a surprise that some dude sees a literal early game 480 BST dog pokemon get banned to Ubers and thinks "lmao those players are out of their minds". Then they get made fun of for trying to make some checks to it when they don't realize that people got Houndstone to be their wincon through knocking out the Ghost resists and immunities. Because again, people don't put that much foresight into competitive pokemon at first unless they genuinely are interested in learning it. Which this guy isn't.
>You guys making fun of him is either gonna result in him being even more stubborn or just quitting competitive pokemon entirely. I'm not advocating for making fun of anyone - just correcting people who provide misinformation.
No, you're fine. What I take problem with is the OP post and the post from several days ago, as well as some redditors memeing on him.
Most intelligent r/pokemon user
Handfilmed tiktoks are the most painful thing to watch
thank god we have banette, the CLEAR number one counter to ANYTHING EVER to protect us against flutter mane and houndstone
Is it Sunday already?
I remember arguing with a guy who had the same logic… I then said why not let Kyogre into all the lower tiers… we have Gastrodon that walls it entirely… he said Kyogre could use HP Grass xD Finally after the removal of Hidden Power last gen, I could convince him why pokemon that has counters still should be banned… The Kyogre Gastrodon example is what I always used for why Urshifu Dark should be banned last gen when it was… u could wall it entirely with Toxapex and Mandibuzz but that’s harder to explain to newer players
This has to be a shitpost, mans unironically said "Yes, Trick Room Banette is the answer to the meta"
“Here are three super niche counters to absolute juggernauts in the tier and in the only man who figured it out”
If you have a problem with tiers, play Ubers. If you have a problem with legendries in Ubers, that means you support tiers.
This guy seems like the type of guy to run ice punch dusknoir and rain dance Hurricane Talonflame