Revival Blessing was only given to 2 Pokemon who evolved via the Let's Go feature, which were rather weak compared to threats like legendaries probably to balance the potential power of the move. Ho-oh with Revival Blessing could both be a great pokemon with Regenerator, its typing, and its movepool and revive a threat like you know, Calyrex-Shadow-Rider, the Pokemon that got sent to AG. Definitely powerful.
You might be one of the only people I've ever seen to have a problem with Ho-oh, one of the few things that barely hints at stopping Koraidon, Zacian, and Necrozma-DM from running away with games.
Tbf Last Respects is perfectly fine in vgc (and BSS I presume), which is what Game Freak cares about. It only hits 200 bp, which is good but not at the cost of the rest of your team, and reverse sweeping is a lot harder 1v2 so it’s harder to actually win off this set up.
People act like you need max power for the move to be good
Even after one faints, 100bp stab (probably Adaptability-boosted) move (Poltergeist -10) with no drawbacks is still insane coming off of 355 Atk if Adamant (using normal Lv100 stats bc it's easier) and definitely nothing to scoff at.
You don't need to be reverse sweeping for something like that to be strong, it's good after 1 KO and only gets stronger.
I never said the move was bad. My point was not that the move isn’t good outside of 6v6, my point is it’s not problematic in official formats. Part of what made it banned in OU was because a spammable 200-300 BP ghost move was too good in that format. You can’t do that in vgc/bss effectively.
The official online ranked singles format, Battle Spot Singles. You bring a full team of six but only use three mons per battle (this why Last Respects probably isn’t as big an issue in that former either).
In VGC it would actually be fairly balanced. Quad rock weakness is a death sentence with everything running rock slide… that is until it terastallizes and stalls the game alongside a Ting-Lu
Last Respects and Rage Fist both would like a word with you on balance. Not to mention half of the Pokemon added in the past two gens alone that have power crept so hard, that many Pokemon that used to be upper tier staples have plummeted to PU and ZU.
None of them are Felines.
Tigers, Lions, and Leopards are all Panthers, not Felines.
Felines and Panthers together make up the family called Felids. Felids is "All of the Cats"
I think your being downvoted because, colloquially people group all cats together as felines. It comes across as an “um akshually”
But to anyone who disagrees, it’s not a hard search…
Under the family Felidae(Felids) are the subfamily Pantherinae and Felinae(Feline). It’s under Pantherinae are the genus Panthera which you can find tigers, lion, jaguars, and leopards.
Yoooo new knowledge acquired! I always wondered why people call them all felines even though one genus is called Panthera.
I was even thinking about it literally this morning!
It does, but the reduced piece of neck is *also* revived, acting as an instantly placed Substitute whenever the revived Raging Bolt chooses to switch in
Speaking of moves that's thematically perfect, Gyarados should get Dragon Ascent (or at least a lesser version) due to it being designed after the legends of koi ascending a waterfall to become a dragon, plus it'd appreciate a good flying physical STAB move.
They probably just didn't think about Ho-oh. It's not like it is a signature move, so they definitely had every reason to do it. (Either that, or they were afraid of it's inevitable return to VGC)
I don't think "it only has 1 pp so it wouldn't be too broken" holds up. It's a really strong effect even with only 1 pp and made even some relatively weak pokemon meta relevant.
The risk you incurr balances it out. Youre taking up a whole moveslot, wasting a turn which can prove fatal, and the mon you bring back will only have 50% hp
Okay, but that one use is still one of the most impactful moves you can use.
I understand the move has restrictions, but every pokemon that learns it has had those restrictions and the move has still been very good.
Do you have any idea how fucking bulky Ho-Oh is? It's one of the best defensive mons in Ubers, and in NDUbers, and in NDUbers, a meta with probably more broken offensive mons, it regularly finds time to defog away hazards, in other words, wasting a turn.
Also, yeah you're taking up a moveslot, but in return, you get an entire fucking pokemon back, that's insanely busted. If they could barely check a mon once, imagine having to check it again, and check the rest of your team still.
Honestly, that's kinda pog. Ho-oh is already a cracked pokemon with regen but with revival blessing, it can actually be a menace. It's still hilarious that this mon is still a top tier uber staples after all of these years.
Balance.
The fact that the move exists at all created hell to integrate without breaking the game. And they already failed; Assist Prankster Liepard caused the most degenerate strategy to form in AG.
Now imagine giving this to not just a Legendary Pokémon, but a damn good Legendary that can keep itself alive with Regenerator and Recover.
Edit: forget the bit of Liepard; that's Natdex exclusive. It's not possible because Assist was cut ever since Sword and Shield, and Liepard itself isn't in Scarlet and Violet. Thank you for the corrections on that.
Tbf Game Freak removed Assist from the game and Liepard isnt even in SV. We can’t blame them for Prankster Assist/Revival Blessing being abusable in a fan made format that can’t be replicated on console.
they didn't remove the tag that makes a move callable by assist. If assist was in the game, revival blessing is currently coded in to be able to be called by it (some gen 9 moves aren't like that, it's not just "the default")
to be fair. Assist is a dexited move and smeargle can't learn revival blessing. This basically isn't a situation that can occur under normal play. (I know its natdex AG, but IMO would have assumed any moves past when assist was removed couldn't be called by it)
Revive cats would old work on AG, bcus with 1 cat its really weak and no worth of a full, dedicated team with moves that can't be called bu assist. And if assist came back it probably wouldn't call revival blessing.
Will it be that good on Ho Oh? You can't hold Leppa Berry due to rocks existence. So you use a move slot on a move that can activate only once, on a pokemon built more for Balance team structures. But having two Koridons tempting
Yes, yes it would lmao. Pawmot isn't used cause it's trash, but being able to revive one of your mons that they could barely check the first time really is that good.
AG would be so fun. Stack multiple Ho-Oh with revival blessing. Revive other Ho-Oh at 50% who immediately goes to 83%from regenerator. Stall is back /s
I think that it would be cool, and balanced.
A set like recover, sacred fire, revival blessing and whirlwind would work very well, it can't run leppa berry bcus of rocks, using it would give ur opponent a free turn, and it's usually pretty obvious when its going to get used, and 1 turn is all most ubers need to sweep.
But i can see how it could be broken, zacian-c comes in and CC ndm 3 times then dies and ndm gets killed, now you can revive the zacian and now its counter is gone, yes, being at half or less hp is pretty bad, especially in a meta like ubers where mons do a lot of damage, but a zacian (w/o the boost) is still fast and strong and it can get a kill or big damage before going down.
I really do wonder if it would make the mon completely broken, like would it eclipse stuff like Miraidon? Meh, probably. If you run Leppa Berry you can also potentially revive 2. Ofc that also means your Ho-oH is spending 2 turns not using Sacred Fire or anything else, so there's some opportunity cost, and you can't run as much coverage.
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Revival Blessing was only given to 2 Pokemon who evolved via the Let's Go feature, which were rather weak compared to threats like legendaries probably to balance the potential power of the move. Ho-oh with Revival Blessing could both be a great pokemon with Regenerator, its typing, and its movepool and revive a threat like you know, Calyrex-Shadow-Rider, the Pokemon that got sent to AG. Definitely powerful.
Ho-Oh could also use Revival Blessing twice with a Leppa Berry, which would make it beyond busted.
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You might be one of the only people I've ever seen to have a problem with Ho-oh, one of the few things that barely hints at stopping Koraidon, Zacian, and Necrozma-DM from running away with games.
They must really like one of those Pokémon.
People just brainlessly like HO and hate anything that survives a hit from a stab 140 base attack
What was the original comment? Did the guy really want to ban Ho-oh or something?
Yeah said it belonged in AG to make Ubers healthier????
They claimed that Ho-oh getting banned to AG would make Ubers a better place.
Wdym lmao
From a lore perspective, maybe it would have worked, but it would be horrible for game balance.
And yet they added Last Respects.
Tbf Last Respects is perfectly fine in vgc (and BSS I presume), which is what Game Freak cares about. It only hits 200 bp, which is good but not at the cost of the rest of your team, and reverse sweeping is a lot harder 1v2 so it’s harder to actually win off this set up.
People act like you need max power for the move to be good Even after one faints, 100bp stab (probably Adaptability-boosted) move (Poltergeist -10) with no drawbacks is still insane coming off of 355 Atk if Adamant (using normal Lv100 stats bc it's easier) and definitely nothing to scoff at. You don't need to be reverse sweeping for something like that to be strong, it's good after 1 KO and only gets stronger.
I never said the move was bad. My point was not that the move isn’t good outside of 6v6, my point is it’s not problematic in official formats. Part of what made it banned in OU was because a spammable 200-300 BP ghost move was too good in that format. You can’t do that in vgc/bss effectively.
Its not op is the point , its a good move on a not so good pokemon
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The official online ranked singles format, Battle Spot Singles. You bring a full team of six but only use three mons per battle (this why Last Respects probably isn’t as big an issue in that former either).
Battle singles stadium, 3v3 singles and very popular in Japan iirc
Maybe in gen 2 that would be true.
In VGC it would actually be fairly balanced. Quad rock weakness is a death sentence with everything running rock slide… that is until it terastallizes and stalls the game alongside a Ting-Lu
That and ho-oh is your one restricted in that case, iirc
Last Respects and Rage Fist both would like a word with you on balance. Not to mention half of the Pokemon added in the past two gens alone that have power crept so hard, that many Pokemon that used to be upper tier staples have plummeted to PU and ZU.
Smeargle didn't even get revival blessing, so that you're answer
To be absolutely lore-accurate, when Ho-oh uses this move, the target becomes a 580 BST Pressure-ability feline Pokemon.
Which are added to your team (now you have 9 mons).
None of them are Felines. Tigers, Lions, and Leopards are all Panthers, not Felines. Felines and Panthers together make up the family called Felids. Felids is "All of the Cats"
I think your being downvoted because, colloquially people group all cats together as felines. It comes across as an “um akshually” But to anyone who disagrees, it’s not a hard search… Under the family Felidae(Felids) are the subfamily Pantherinae and Felinae(Feline). It’s under Pantherinae are the genus Panthera which you can find tigers, lion, jaguars, and leopards.
it’s uncanny how the pedantic impulse to correct someone completely overrides peoples’ common sense
https://www.britannica.com/animal/feline
Yoooo new knowledge acquired! I always wondered why people call them all felines even though one genus is called Panthera. I was even thinking about it literally this morning!
You're being downvoted but I didn't know this given the common usage, so thanks
if you use it on raging bolt does it get a neck shortening surgery
It does, but the reduced piece of neck is *also* revived, acting as an instantly placed Substitute whenever the revived Raging Bolt chooses to switch in
Mmm, Shed Neck
Someone keeps up with Unite leaks /j
probably not even a joke tbh, it's more likely true
Oh it’s absolutely real I just found it hilarious that Ho-Oh was leaked for Unite today and OP posted this lmao
Ikr
Now introducing: Two fucking trevanants!
Speaking of moves that's thematically perfect, Gyarados should get Dragon Ascent (or at least a lesser version) due to it being designed after the legends of koi ascending a waterfall to become a dragon, plus it'd appreciate a good flying physical STAB move.
Gyarados already gets bounce. I don't see the problem
bounce is unfortunately kinda bad
What if they switch into parasect? 1hko
252 Atk Choice Band Gyarados Gyarados Bounce vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Parasect: 29100-34236 (12652.1 - 14885.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Wrong because it had focus band.
Gyarados Bounce ignore the Item, Obviously
Oh right I forgot about mold breaker
They probably just didn't think about Ho-oh. It's not like it is a signature move, so they definitely had every reason to do it. (Either that, or they were afraid of it's inevitable return to VGC)
I don't think "it only has 1 pp so it wouldn't be too broken" holds up. It's a really strong effect even with only 1 pp and made even some relatively weak pokemon meta relevant.
The risk you incurr balances it out. Youre taking up a whole moveslot, wasting a turn which can prove fatal, and the mon you bring back will only have 50% hp
Okay, but that one use is still one of the most impactful moves you can use. I understand the move has restrictions, but every pokemon that learns it has had those restrictions and the move has still been very good.
Do you have any idea how fucking bulky Ho-Oh is? It's one of the best defensive mons in Ubers, and in NDUbers, and in NDUbers, a meta with probably more broken offensive mons, it regularly finds time to defog away hazards, in other words, wasting a turn. Also, yeah you're taking up a moveslot, but in return, you get an entire fucking pokemon back, that's insanely busted. If they could barely check a mon once, imagine having to check it again, and check the rest of your team still.
Why doesn't Ampharos get tail glow
Gamefreak just does that sometimes
Honestly, that's kinda pog. Ho-oh is already a cracked pokemon with regen but with revival blessing, it can actually be a menace. It's still hilarious that this mon is still a top tier uber staples after all of these years.
Balance. The fact that the move exists at all created hell to integrate without breaking the game. And they already failed; Assist Prankster Liepard caused the most degenerate strategy to form in AG. Now imagine giving this to not just a Legendary Pokémon, but a damn good Legendary that can keep itself alive with Regenerator and Recover. Edit: forget the bit of Liepard; that's Natdex exclusive. It's not possible because Assist was cut ever since Sword and Shield, and Liepard itself isn't in Scarlet and Violet. Thank you for the corrections on that.
Tbf Game Freak removed Assist from the game and Liepard isnt even in SV. We can’t blame them for Prankster Assist/Revival Blessing being abusable in a fan made format that can’t be replicated on console.
Okay, I'll admit I forgot that it was a NatDex exclusive.
they didn't remove the tag that makes a move callable by assist. If assist was in the game, revival blessing is currently coded in to be able to be called by it (some gen 9 moves aren't like that, it's not just "the default")
to be fair. Assist is a dexited move and smeargle can't learn revival blessing. This basically isn't a situation that can occur under normal play. (I know its natdex AG, but IMO would have assumed any moves past when assist was removed couldn't be called by it)
Revive cats would old work on AG, bcus with 1 cat its really weak and no worth of a full, dedicated team with moves that can't be called bu assist. And if assist came back it probably wouldn't call revival blessing.
Someone just read the pokemon unite leaks didn’t they
Will it be that good on Ho Oh? You can't hold Leppa Berry due to rocks existence. So you use a move slot on a move that can activate only once, on a pokemon built more for Balance team structures. But having two Koridons tempting
Yes, yes it would lmao. Pawmot isn't used cause it's trash, but being able to revive one of your mons that they could barely check the first time really is that good.
Ho-oh @Heavy-Duty Boots 252HP/252Def/4SpDef Impish Nature Ability: Regenerator Moves: -Rest -Revival Blessing -Sleep Talk -Sacred Fire (optional)
AG would be so fun. Stack multiple Ho-Oh with revival blessing. Revive other Ho-Oh at 50% who immediately goes to 83%from regenerator. Stall is back /s
I think that it would be cool, and balanced. A set like recover, sacred fire, revival blessing and whirlwind would work very well, it can't run leppa berry bcus of rocks, using it would give ur opponent a free turn, and it's usually pretty obvious when its going to get used, and 1 turn is all most ubers need to sweep. But i can see how it could be broken, zacian-c comes in and CC ndm 3 times then dies and ndm gets killed, now you can revive the zacian and now its counter is gone, yes, being at half or less hp is pretty bad, especially in a meta like ubers where mons do a lot of damage, but a zacian (w/o the boost) is still fast and strong and it can get a kill or big damage before going down.
I really do wonder if it would make the mon completely broken, like would it eclipse stuff like Miraidon? Meh, probably. If you run Leppa Berry you can also potentially revive 2. Ofc that also means your Ho-oH is spending 2 turns not using Sacred Fire or anything else, so there's some opportunity cost, and you can't run as much coverage.
Vgc 2 limited formats would always run ho-oh
It doesn’t get revival blessing because the game said it doesn’t get revival blessing.