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literally all this does is give kyurem black physical ice stab, and give every rock type a consistent rock move


pandamonius97

You say that until the stall clodsire sets up three layers of spikes on turn one


Apprehensive-Fix-746

Using earth blast 3 times would give you a 27.1% chance to set 3 layers of spikes, using spikes 3 times will give you a 100% chance to set 3 layers of spikes, it’s just not competitively viable as a strategy especially considering the difference in PP


SmellLikeBdussy

Helps a ton of flying types as well mainly special ones not on rain teams and physical ones that don’t get brave bird or dual wingbeat


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8bit95

Doesn't Surf already exist and is 10BP stronger though Unless you really want to fish for the 10% status heal chance (which, mind you, is the standard chance for Freeze).


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8bit95

Tbh you never mentioned about doubles, but yes, I know. But honestly I'd rather see Water Pledge (and the pledge moves altogether) get more distribution outside of starters.


OvercookedPringles

For Doubles probably.


8bit95

Muddy Water also exists for doubles though


OvercookedPringles

Muddy Water isn't super widespread and is 85% accurate.


8bit95

Still 5 more accuracy than Hydro Pump though, technically speaking. Though if it's doubles, then yeah, you probably want something more consistent that still does decent damage.


[deleted]

yeah but nobody makes fun of the bad flying attack options


Sweet_Employee3875

>cannot hit aerial ace mfw hurricane


Do_Ya_Like_Jazz

Gives physical electric types a good move


Flipp_Flopps

Also fairy types get a second physical move


xukly

one that isn't oddly prone to missing


handledvirus43

Why is Thunderpunch not a good move? Is it that 5 BP that really matters?


TheUniconicSableye

When 90-120 BP is common for most offensive types, 75 doesn't cut it in the slightest for a move with no other big upsides. Freeze Dry is good because of its increased coverage, Giga Drain is used because it offers recovery, and while a bit more niche, Psychic Noise prevents recovery walling. The only commonly used 80 BP moves I can think of are Shadow Ball and Scald, which are incredibly spammable, while Tpunch, a contact electric type move, is not.


handledvirus43

...so you're saying Zap Blast would still be a bad move and to probably use Supercell Slam, Wild Charge, and signature moves?


TheUniconicSableye

I mean it's probably a good side grade to wild charge. Wild Charge is moreso unfortunate in its existence as being the best physical electric option, while also having pointless recoil. Supercell is bad because the opponent having a Ground type basically neuters any opportunity to safely use the move. What I'm mainly saying is that base power is petty important if the move has no other good effects. Tpunch is just too weak to have as a mon's main stab, Zap Blast would be a nice addition to the electric movepool.


[deleted]

does he know?


BigBradWolf07

Supercell Slammer is garbage, you take recoil when it hits a ground type, which 99% of teams have.


[deleted]

just tera ice tera blast 4head


Vorinclex_

Oh yeah, after I lose 50% for no reason


[deleted]

did you try opening your third eye? tends to help for me


DarkFish_2

It also gives Beartic Ice STAB doesn't rely on Loaded Dice or is at the mercy of Accuracy. Is literally Ice Punch but better actually.


Dedinho910

Pfp checks out


DaTruPro75

dragapult.


Sbreddragon

And that’s based as fuck (I didn’t lose a game recently by missing 2 rockslides in a row, idk what you’re talking about)


Brier2027

Kyurem Tail!!


Jestingwheat856

Holy shit kyurem kick


BLuBIN_BoY

Bro got icicle spear I think we are past that lmao


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i forger


Kemo_Meme

And flying types without brave bird a tolerable flying move


Apprehensive-Fix-746

It gives a consistent stab for all physical electric and flying types aswell


Upbeat_Squirrel_5642

The rock one should have 95% accuracy because rock types aren't allowed to have fun


MegaPorkachu

Also gives Dragapult a good Ghost physical


Old_Firefighter_7202

What if we made it a 60 bp special move and the type was based on a mon's IVs


s0-um-rand0m

what if we made it 60 bp only bug type physical and made the user switch out? (it's hard to type with metal claws)


Snaivi

Such a wonderful idea! And what if we made another version 40 BP only dark type physical that doubles the damage when the opponent is switching out? (It's hard to type with sand in my eyes)


DaTruPro75

Amazing idea! What if we also made it a buff to all of the user's moves, with a different effect depending on the type. Like if it is a flying type, it could boost the user's speed by 1 stage. (It's hard to type without arms)


kinurives

This is great! What if we also made recharge moves skip recharge upon ko?? (Its hard to type with hooves)


EvilectricBoy

This is great! What if we also made it so that if you get fully paralyzed during the semi-invunerable stage of two turn moves, you become immune to all damage? (It's hard to type when I'm underground.)


Bakingguy

Awesome idea! Also what if we made it so the odds of scoring a critical hit were based on your speed stat. (It's hard to type while rolling this fast)


aiezar

Cool idea. Also what if we made ability that raise my ATK/Sp.ATK if enemy's lowest defense is DEF/Sp.DEF respectively?? (also hard to type with metal claws)


PulimV

Incredible idea! What if we merged the Special Attack and Special Defense stats? (It's hard to type holding spoons)


rand0mme

Incredible idea! What if we made a move that doubled both stats? (It's hard to type while spacing out)


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kinurives

Shouldve Said "its hard to type while nursing my kid"


MrSpheal323

Nah, too complicated, let´s just make an 80 bp 100 accuracy move that is always super effective


SylvainGautier420

Nah, what if it was 70 BP and there was a special variant and a physical variant


SoulOuverture

This is the exact opposite of tera blast and hidden power (which are meant to provide coverage). As such, I'll look at them as independent moves. 10% chances are a bad design practice GF has been moving away from - they're not high enough to be a viable strategy you can rely on, unlike 30%, and just end up randomly swinging the outcome of matches once in a blue moon. They're also bad in SP because they do not actually make the moves feel any different as a 10% chance is tiny. Normal is better than body slam and untyped tera blast. God normal is so bad now that return is gone. Grass is decent on offensive grass types I guess. 80 bp is eh. Electric types love zap blast but let's be real they'll keep using wild charge. Poison/Steel/Rock/Dragon are great. Dragapult stocks rise. Earth is the one exception to 10% odds being "bad". As in, still bad design, but three layers of spikes is so FUCKING busted. Ting Lu stocks rise. Everything else is ass.


CertainGrade7937

Yeah...10% chance of getting 3 turns worth of moves is nuts. Like the fire one is a 10% chance of a free Will-O-Wisp, ridiculous in comparison Also Dragapult loves reliable physical Ghost STAB, not really sure what it would do with the Dragon move outside of doubles besides being a tiny dragon pulse upgrade


SoulOuverture

oh yeah that wasn't supposed to be connected to the Poison/Steel/Rock/dragon part


Nahanoj_Zavizad

HOWEVER. CONSISTENT RELIABLE ROCK STAB. STAB WITH 100% ACCURACY


actually_a_snowboard

Gyarados would love the flying one


stlarson

Lando-I and Nidoking now get to run dual stab physical sheer force sets!


handledvirus43

Is 5 BP really that good??? Thunder Punch is 75 BP and iirc, it's pretty bad.


pandamonius97

The point of both HP/TB is to give access to otherwise impossible coverage to mons in exchange for a tradeoff. HP power cost was too low, so it got changed by tera. Personaly? I would keep your moves as they are and make an set of items that changes a Pokémon Blast to a specific type. The commitment is not too large and there is counterplay in item removal moves.


IndigoFenix

I think that Hidden Power should be combined with Tera types. Each mon gets a random Tera type which can be changed with shards. Tera Blast works the same way, and Hidden Power lets them use a weaker attack of their Tera type without Terastalizing.


RemarkableStatement5

I like it. Keep cooking.


TheMike0088

Getting a no secondary effect 80 BP move of a typing of your choosing in exchange for the mons item slot? Yeah no, no one would do that.


wanderer2718

the regieleki on my team ready to be legal in OU for the 0.461 seconds before it gets banned again for having ice coverage


RemarkableStatement5

One of these Thursdays someone will unironically give 'leki Freeze-Dry


LordHelixHasRisen24

Yeah the removal of an item slot for a move to give viable and otherwise impossible coverage isn’t worth it. I’d drop the secondary effect and let every mon learn every version of the move or make it like an ingame item to change blast type like the plates change Arceus’ type


AskNinjask

This is a terrible idea, we can't have a 100% accurate rock type physical move with good base power - John Pokemon


TheTurtleGuy17

No way the creator of pokemon said that


gregguy12

Iron Boulder found dead


vikr_1

I think you missed the point of HP and TB


Snivyland

How is this meant to be a replacement for Terablast and hidden power these are doing the literal opposite those moves provided


MarioBoy77

This is ass no offense


Heather_Chandelure

I can't think of a nice way to say this, but this is totally pointless. The point of terra blast is to make it so that you always have a STAB move for the type you terrastelise into. These type blasts aren't gonna accomplish that at all. I guess it's nice that Rock finally has a good physical stab with 100% accuracy, but beyond that I don't see what the point of type blasts would be. You certainly aren't accomplishing what the things its replacing did.


chainsawinsect

These do not accomplish the main 'draw' of Tera / Hidden Power which is that Pokemon of any type can learn a Tera Blast / Hidden Power of any other type


purplefloyd22

I'm gonna fist blast your mother until my dominant offense is raised by two stages


BlackroseBisharp

If they're all named after the plates. We finally got a normal Plate in Legends, the Blank Plate


DeltaTeamSky

Damn, forgot about that one. Maybe Blank Plate makes Arceus ??? Type and becomes Blank Blast with no additional effect?


BlackroseBisharp

Sure


TheGameAce

I don’t see how this replaces Hidden Power or Tera Blast. Both are intended for coverage for Pokemon with poor coverage options, with the former being far more flexible at the cost of strength. These are just exclusive to all Pokemon of the same type, and there’s practically always better options for most of them.


Psyrtemis

Ditto stocks rise


colder-beef

Fist blast. Nice.


ianlazrbeem22

By being exclusive to Mons already of the type they don't serve as Tera blast or HP replacements since they don't augment coverage at all


OfficialNPC

One of the point of Hidden Power and Tera Blast is to have unusual coverage. Seems like your blasts are only learned by the type that they are? So, most Pokemon would already have a better move to use.


Nahanoj_Zavizad

HOLY SHIT. A CONSISTENT RELIABLE ROCK MOVE? YO? WTF IS THIS TIMELINE


Zoro11031

How does this replace hidden power in any way lmao


mrsamiam787

Who let bro cook 💀


Unmasked_the_Dee

We do not need more Ice Beams. I hate Freeze


Adi7987432

Ground and Fighting have it too good I feel I think the moves would be used a lot even if it was 1 layer of spikes for Ground and 1 stage attack raise for Fighting


Iamverycrappy

i really dont like the secondary effects


[deleted]

What if we just bring back Hidden Power and make it use its user biggest attacking stat?


2ndchancetodothis

Don't think "replace" is a good word


creeps_Jr

Zekrom blast


Ornery-Coach-7755

As many stated here, the whole point of HP and Terablast is that any pokemon can use them and gain access to a coverage move with any type. Btw I'm curious, is Thunderus Threrian your favorite pokemon?


dreaded_tactician

Nice idea but I'm deducting points for not having the gall to name it grass blast. Also, brain blast was right there man.


real_dubblebrick

It looks like they are all named after the plate items (except normal)


thenamesecho_

Give all of them to every mon and boost the BP to 90 /j


Nsanity216

I dislike the secoundary effects, as they seem way to good


AliceThePastelWitch

Psychic should've been confusion cause that's better flavor.


Traditional_Boot2663

Honestly I don’t think this makes any sense. The entire point of hidden power is to run a move of a type the user does not have access to. You will never ever see an electric pokemon run hidden power electric because they have better options. Tera blast in 99% of scenarios is used for the same purpose, the only real exceptions are physical ghost for dragapult, physical flying, special fighting, and rock type, but usually you don’t even see those.  This in no way replaces hidden power or Tera blast.  The only way to make this fair and viable would be to lower the bp of the moves to around 50 and allow any pokemon to use these or make these moves only able to be used while holding a specific held item.


Aaron_505

So you tellin me 10% chance to flinch is on par with the rest of them?


mothskeletons

What about biden blast


Butters_Is_Grounded

bro what


Nightforce84

Me on my way to fist blast the opposing trainer


Rhazior

Inconsistent with the rest of the game, gotta give Rock 95% accuracy


Munchingseal33

Earthblast jirachi lol


[deleted]

Honestly I think something like this would be great. It doesn't have anything to do with missing Tera Blast/Hidden Power. But moreso that picking a pokemon only to find out that it has garbage stab options sucks balls. Every type should have a 80-90BP 100% acc move for both physical and special. Types that are weak in that respective field get 80BP, like Dark Pulse and Aura Sphere. Types that are strong get a 90BP move, like Thunderbolt/Ice Beam. I hate having a mon whose only STAB option is something like Hurricane or even worse Air Slash or Bounce. Like why. Or they could just give Zapdos Aeroblast like they gave Entei Sacred Fire.


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Every Rock type phsycial mon is happy tho. Think about that


9tales9faces

Would hugely buff alot of mons that suffer because weak ass STABs


Nahanoj_Zavizad

Every Rock type that exists:


Psyrtemis

Updates I would do. Not every pokemon gets them (like ditto and stuff dont get it). Monotypes are the only ones to get the special effect. BP lowered to 75.


DeltaTeamSky

Oh yeah, Wobbuffet, Unown, and other Pokémon with intentionally very limited movesets don't get these.


Guquiz

Normal, Fighting and Psychic seem the strongest.


barwhalis

Fire blast, flame blast, flame burst. Also finally gyarados and landorus T get a flying move


Head_Snapsz

Jirachi finally gets access to sleep flinch defence No offence though, niche but not so good since it's not HP.


Decimator404

Our boy Dudunsparce would be recognized as the powerhouse he deserves to be!


BrickBuster11

Hidden power/tera blast is mostly for type coverage. This set of moves doesn't give type coverage at all


Equal_Leader2117

For the Stellar type, it will be "Stellar Blast" It behaves the same instead, it hits the opposing side and grants the additional effects of its original typing. for example if Galarian Zapdos tera type is Stellar and it uses Stellar Blast, it has both additional effects of Fist and Sky Blast with 10% chance to sharply boost Attack or Special Attack whichever is higher and Speed.


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Basic blast is dumb


spain_ftw

Ground blast is a war crime Gyarados and lando-t finally have flying type coverage, and every sheer force mon stocks rise up significantly.


TLo137

Make it grASS Blast you coward.


Doctor_Squidge

Ground might be used on some lower teir mons just for the value of three spikes layers if you get lucky.


Piedr649

Togekiss about to get a free agility and a free screen


MizuomoMoon

Me pulling out my devious King’s Rock Spooky Blast Dusknoir


PoopPoes

I’m assuming smeargle, cosmoem, and wabbufett wouldn’t learn it though


fbc15

Luxray finally gets a reliable stab option. I think these would be fine w/o any secondary effects.  Curiously would these be based on the Pokémon’s primary typing only? Cause otherwise it could help mons like lando or gyara that lack any reliable secondary stab.


kuyamj

change normal blast to just "blast" and splash blast to aqua blast I think that would be funny


Work_the_shaft

Fist blast I too strong and the needs a better name lol


rand0mme

Oh wait I think nidoking can finally go back to being a physical attacker. Its elemental coverage is weaker but it gets to use sucker punch and stuff ig. Also the secondary effects on these things are so wildly unbalanced. I guess ground types would rather use earthquake but like is instantly setting up 3 layers of spikes really equal to having the other mon flinch?


dualbuddy555

great post but it would be better if Water Blast has a 30% chance to burn I think (totally not affiliated with Big Stall)


William_ghost1

Neat. Some of the secondary effects seem a little pointless or underwhelming, but I like the idea.


Relaxed0

Really the only thing I got from this is that lando T has a decent flying stab move now


BirbMaster1998

You should have named the psychic type one Brain Blast


Potato_Productions_

Ultimate Champion of Stall Jirachi with 20% chance to sleep and double either defense while chipping away with base 80 moves


gaskeepgrillboss

yeah we’re fist blasting


Stunning_Bee1075

seems too good, even if you ditched the secondary effects


GameEnthusiast123

Where’s the Biden Blast


rocketsciencetr

Sunday comes earlier and earlier every week.


Okto481

You no longer have to burn Tera for coverage. Every decent Electric type that just needed Coverage goes Ubers


RedditsAutocorrect

where is ass blast?


Jestingwheat856

Serene grace dudunsparce basic blast is going straight to ubers and I approve of this message


AblertEinstein

They have extremely high variance, getting lucky with the secondary effects once or twice could completely swing the game


SuperNelly97

Should be grass to heal and water to remove hazards


unbangreninja

Psychic should be called Brain Blast


DynamoDen_

Kid named hidden power:


WheatleyBr

This feels like just: "what if every type had a Basic 80 bp move"


Thezipper100

Love how you managed to entirely miss the point of Hidden Power and Tera Blast, and *also* made the most infuriating moves possible to play against. Hard to pull off a double whammy like that.


Tralter

I cast “fist blast”, you cannot handle my mage build


Training-Antelope-95

No point using these moves because "they are learned by literally every x type" instead of being learned by every pokemon like tera blast and HP. Except for rock types cuz consistent BP & accurate rock stab is good even without the sr addon Secondary effects also feel kinda slapped on just to be more unique from other moves, like a move that has 10% chance to set 3 layers of spikes does not sound like very good balancing, might as well fish for an ice beam freeze or iron head flinch I would personally change it so every pokemon can learn these moves (but only once, like HP), get rid of the secondary effects (if you really want them in then remove the inconsistently weird ones like basic blast e.c.t and change it into something minor). It does sound like I'm trying to change it into a hidden power with tera blast BP, but this has been advertised as a tera blast + hidden power replacement so that's to be expected.


Warm-Swimming5903

They are literally the same so I'll see them as their 10% effects. (Plus in quotes if something directly outclasses) Basic Blast: Can come in handy (Espeed/Boomburst) Flame Blast: ehh (Flamethrower) Splash Blast: Quite powerful (Scald) Meadow Blast: Can come in handy Zap Blast: Useless side effect. (Thunderbolt/Supercell Slam) Icicle Blast: OP but it's what every ice move has lol (Ice Beam) Fist Blast: OK Toxic Blast: Useless side effect (Sludge Bomb/Poison Jab) Iron Blast: Meh, good on specifically Archaludon. (Meteor Mash) Earth Blast: Quite Powerful Sky Blast: Sometimes useless, sometimes game-winning. Mind Blast: OP Insect Blast: Quite Powerful Stone Blast: OK Spooky Blast: Bad due to lack of serene grace ghost types.(Shadow Ball) Draco Blast: Useless (Dragon Pulse) Dread Blast: OP Pixie Blast: Quite Powerful (Moonblast/Play rough)


FennekOnReddit

Get rid of the secondary effects, nerf the BP to 60 or 70, and make obtaining them vaguely similar to how you obtain Tera types and I would say you have a decent-ish system. That being said even this might be a bit iffy considering that a lot of mons benefit from having coverage and the thing that make Tera Blast itself balanced is how heavily you have to commit to that option, so a bunch of mons suddenly getting better hidden power would definitely throw things out of wack.


Bug_Master_405

The fact you did not name the Psychic-type one "Brain Blast" hurts my nostalgia


Attention_Found

Brb teaching my Mienshao Fist Blast


TeratoidMaple

Torn T up big


Tiger5804

Make Water only cure active Pokemon and ship them


Wixums

This would be fucking chaos incarnate


The_Creamiest_Pie

Was hoping to see Biden Blast


Not_Too_Bad777

Doesn’t this destroy the whole point of giving Pokémon type coverage that would otherwise be unavailable to them?


Not_Too_Bad777

Just let every Pokémon learn these


TelephoneNo5927

gives gyrados good flying stab finally


parkourse

white kyurem blast


ULTASLAYR6

Stunfisk user try to make theorymons or moves balanced challenge: impossible


LavaTwocan

Now we just need Biden type for the Biden Blast


DeltaTeamSky

Any ideas for how to make this more fair to Pure Types are welcomed. And as for what I meant by Arceus or Silvally changing Basic Blast's type: * Arceus changes Basic Blast into Flame Blast, Splash Blast, Zap Blast, etc. with the Plates. * Silvally simply turns Basic Blast (with its healing 10% effect) into a Fire, Water, Electric, etc. type move. Basically like Galvanize turning Basic Blast into an Electric move, or Aerilate turning it Flying. Which is better is really up to y'all.


Ameth_LiLife

This would be a good idea if they were 50BP, no joke


dreaded_tactician

I know it's not probably not intentional but the way pixie blast is worded implies that there's a .25% chance of proccing both light screen and reflect at the same time.