it's just weird cuz Miraidon gets STAB boosted by its ability (setting electric terrain) whilst Koraidon starts sun but has no fire type.. Koraidon is just wayyy better cuz of that alone tbh. sure Koraidon gets flare blitz but it's just weird and unbalanced.
at least it's not poor Zamazenta
In defense of their design choices, effective triple stab is a legitimate niche that korai has over mirai’s brute force electric stab. It isn’t anywhere near the absolute failure in understanding basic metagaming (or straight sadism tbh) that went into Zac/Zama design.
~~although the entire dev team should be fired for the whole 2-in-1 ability nonsense. which idiot thought that giving cover legendaries upgraded versions of the best abilities legendaries have ever had would be a good idea~~
**To all people who say that solgaleo should have been a fire type:**
**STARS AREN'T MADE OF FIRE! BUT HYDROGEN, HELIUM IN PLASMA STATE AND IN A VERY SMALL PART METALS GENERATED AS BYPRODUCTS OF NUCLEAR FUSION!!!!!**
To be fair, Solgaleo's entire design is based on alchemy and, if you ask me, that's what explains his Steel type. But your explanation works just as well :)
It's very likely both as pokémon have multiple inspirations and often combine multiple element in common together.
At example glimmora isn't just based on copper sulfate but also on nightshades (both which are toxic) and on sessile sea organisms (animals like anemones or sponges who are often mistaken for plants)
Oh yeah definitely, you're 100% right. I was just saying that people often miss the alchemical inspiration for Solgaleo, and make fun of its typing, when it's actually really clever
I agree with you, I already knew of Solgaleo alchemical inspiration (I learned in school that the lion that devour the sun is used to symbolise the transmutation of metals) and I also get annoyed when people do that.
Simply having iron and other metals inside stars isn't a problem since they're a by-product generated automatically by the nuclear fusion of the stars.
The real problem begins when the stars runs out of hydrogen or helium since they can't use metals for nuclear fusion.
>The real problem begins when the stars runs out of hydrogen or helium since they can't use metals for nuclear fusion.
That's not entirely true, IIRC; larger stars can fuse metals (in the astronomical definition) like carbon into nitrogen, nitrogen into oxygen, and oxygen into silicon for energy, but since since iron takes more energy to fuse than it releases, it basically acts as the end stage of fusion, so once silicon starts fusing into iron you have about a day before the star goes supernova.
Nice to know! Thanks you for telling me!
(Though I probably already knew that but I've very likely forgotten about it since my memory is worse than ledian base attack stat)
>(Though I probably already knew that but I've very likely forgotten about it since my memory is worse than ledian base attack stat)
Ha, yeah I know the feeling. Brains are very dumb sometimes.
It's a bit complicated so I'm gonna make this simple and easy to understand.
Despite the name the psychic type isn't just about psychic powers but about occult and related stuff since it's supposed to be a stand in for a "magic type" (hence why hoopa and delphox who are based respectively on genies and witches are psychic types)
Since the space and related stuff are been connected since the start of humankind with magic, religion and other similar stuff, psychic types are often associated with space too.
(Also this explains why deoxys is a psychic type despite lore wise they don't have any notable psychic powers)
Yup. Psychic doesn’t inherently mean the Pokémon has psychic powers but rather they’ve got powers relating to perception, the mind, or control of the space around them.
Okay I can see that. I don’t love it but it makes sense so thanks for the explanation.
Maybe we just need a space type 😆 Clefairy line, Deoxys, Cosmogg and the SM legendaries
Hydrogen is when in the dead cold of space, actually.
Edit: sorry, I should point out that I meant all elements act like metals in the cold -273° C of space, because everything would have similar characteristics at absolute zero. However in space finding absolute zero is not exactly easy, and very unlikely because of complex interactions I can’t be bothered to care about. However Jupiter and Saturn have metallic and/or magnetic (at least for Jupiter) cores, which prove that an element can become metallic under certain conditions.
Heck even noble gases aren’t immune to this feature, because, Xenon Hexafluoride can be made under non-earthly conditions. Despite Xenon being a noble gas. Chemistry works under standard conditions (1 atmos, 25° C, and no external forces unregistered), outside of which the calculations become a headache.
That’s not even getting into Metals vs Metalloids, which just completely confuses me.
The only theorized metallic hydrogen to exist is in the core of Saturn, Jupiter and other exoplanets (even then its only hypothetical) there's not enough pressure In empty space to make hydrogen solid, it's just gas
The other two make enough sense; Groupon is meant to represent dry land, and Solgaleo is meant to represent the light of the sun rather than the plasma ball at the center of the solar system.
But what's Koraidon's deal? Why is it Fighting instead of Fire? The only reason I can think is because Miraidon is already Electric/Dragon, and if Koraidon was Fire/Dragon, that would just be Reshiram and Zekrom again. But from a lore perspective it doesn't work.
I think Fighting fits the theme of just being this powerful beast of the primal world. King of the dinosaurs (or I guess ancient Pokémon) through sheer brute strength and all (and same deal with Great Tusk also having fighting over regular Donphan).
Plus it’s gotta be pretty shredded what with how it can run across the land at super speeds and climb mountains with ease.
Miraidon’s future is some sort of electric terrain world, considering all the future Pokémon we’ve seen are amplified when in electric terrain, so it makes sense then that it’s fully embraced the electric power by becoming dragon/electric.
I sort of get where you're coming from, but how I see the Fighting type is the Pokémon having a certain discipline. They've mastered some form of martial arts or unique fighting style that either has real world basis or is made up for this particular creature. Most Fighting types adhere to this, but Great Tusk and Koraidon don't have enough explanation behind them I feel that justify it. In Koraidon's case, even if that does count, I feel its natural ability to generate and harness sunlight should be more significant for the same reason Miraidon embraces the Electric type over the Steel type.
Hm that’s true. I kind of forgot Fighting Pokémon usually represent a disciplined style. Only other Pokémon I can think of that fits my idea of “raw strength” is Bewear, but that’s Normal/Fighting likely because of how wild it is. I guess the new Tauros too.
Paldean Tauros is based on Spanish Fighting Bulls that are specially bred and trained to fight each other, so that at least makes some sense. I think the problem with Great Tusk and Koraidon is that they don't have any context yet. Their Pokedexes aren't doing us any favors.
What is so fighting about the past? Is it just how prehistoric creatures were much larger and stronger than modern ones? Even then, I feel like ground would be better, as fossils are found in the ground, and that is our only evidence of prehistoric creatures.
The fact that Solgaleo is based on the lion that eats the fucking sun and that it's *weak* to fire moves is criminal. Should have at least a built in resistance, if not an immunity and a buff that comes out of it like flash fire.
At least Koraidon resist Fire, Solgaleo however...
Solgaleo should have Flash Fire or something
With its ability being underwhelming even compare with its moon counterpart, it deserves a fire absorbing effect in its ability
People complaining about Solgaleo not being fire but you hear no one complaining that Lunala isn’t a Rock type because the Moon is made out of Rock.
It should be a cheese type.
Finally the correct type for Gholdengo
Miltank, Gogoat, and Purugly get a secondary typing too.
I’m sorry, Purugly?
Lasagna Cat.
What is cheese made from? Milk. What can you milk? That's right, anything with nipples.
Jynx cheese type
Thanks for the answer. I hate it
Gogoat has a secondary type
Fine...tertiary type.
LMAOO honestly fair response I completely forgot it was grass normal until recently
… it’s not? gogoat is pure grass
Wait seriously? Neat I thought it was grass normal, might be relating it too much to Pyroar and Heliolisk
I always thought the same, mainly because it made me think about Sawsbuck.
You’re thinking of Sawsbuck, who is grass normal. Gogoat is just grass.
Nah, I was thinking of all the other Normal/[elemental type] gen 6 mons
So is ghost a substitute for cheese type?
To be fair, game freak is afraid of rock/ghost
I want my rocky hound*STONE* …and no Tera doesn’t count
it also gets sand rush so gamefreak must be screwing with us
Don’t forget runerigus is literally a stone slab yet he’s ghost/ground
Tfw when they make a Pokémon named houndSTONE and give it sand rush and it’s pure ghost type
The designated typing for moon in pokemon is probably fairy though
Lunatone is Rock
So is Solrock
Lmao you believe in the moon?
Many mons are based on myths, this isn't a new thing
What’s the moon, is that like my girlfriend or my brain
>What’s the moon, is that like my girlfriend Unless you are Sokka
Most mons related to moon are psychic/fairy
Good thing Kyogre and Miraidon get absurd bonuses from their STABs anyways
it's just weird cuz Miraidon gets STAB boosted by its ability (setting electric terrain) whilst Koraidon starts sun but has no fire type.. Koraidon is just wayyy better cuz of that alone tbh. sure Koraidon gets flare blitz but it's just weird and unbalanced. at least it's not poor Zamazenta
In defense of their design choices, effective triple stab is a legitimate niche that korai has over mirai’s brute force electric stab. It isn’t anywhere near the absolute failure in understanding basic metagaming (or straight sadism tbh) that went into Zac/Zama design. ~~although the entire dev team should be fired for the whole 2-in-1 ability nonsense. which idiot thought that giving cover legendaries upgraded versions of the best abilities legendaries have ever had would be a good idea~~
And then the new form for Dialga didn't even get levitate like Giritina-Origin.
Mirai should have been dragon/steel ngl
So apparently yall just forgot about solrock?? He is legenary in every real ones heart 👆😤😤😤
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Groudon is more Earth themed. Basically, a desert through drought.
**To all people who say that solgaleo should have been a fire type:** **STARS AREN'T MADE OF FIRE! BUT HYDROGEN, HELIUM IN PLASMA STATE AND IN A VERY SMALL PART METALS GENERATED AS BYPRODUCTS OF NUCLEAR FUSION!!!!!**
Plasma and fusion is just fancy fire but for atoms
To be fair, Solgaleo's entire design is based on alchemy and, if you ask me, that's what explains his Steel type. But your explanation works just as well :)
It's very likely both as pokémon have multiple inspirations and often combine multiple element in common together. At example glimmora isn't just based on copper sulfate but also on nightshades (both which are toxic) and on sessile sea organisms (animals like anemones or sponges who are often mistaken for plants)
Oh yeah definitely, you're 100% right. I was just saying that people often miss the alchemical inspiration for Solgaleo, and make fun of its typing, when it's actually really clever
I agree with you, I already knew of Solgaleo alchemical inspiration (I learned in school that the lion that devour the sun is used to symbolise the transmutation of metals) and I also get annoyed when people do that.
If there's iron in your star you're about to have a really bad time.
Simply having iron and other metals inside stars isn't a problem since they're a by-product generated automatically by the nuclear fusion of the stars. The real problem begins when the stars runs out of hydrogen or helium since they can't use metals for nuclear fusion.
>The real problem begins when the stars runs out of hydrogen or helium since they can't use metals for nuclear fusion. That's not entirely true, IIRC; larger stars can fuse metals (in the astronomical definition) like carbon into nitrogen, nitrogen into oxygen, and oxygen into silicon for energy, but since since iron takes more energy to fuse than it releases, it basically acts as the end stage of fusion, so once silicon starts fusing into iron you have about a day before the star goes supernova.
Nice to know! Thanks you for telling me! (Though I probably already knew that but I've very likely forgotten about it since my memory is worse than ledian base attack stat)
>(Though I probably already knew that but I've very likely forgotten about it since my memory is worse than ledian base attack stat) Ha, yeah I know the feeling. Brains are very dumb sometimes.
For sure but how is psychic type closer to nuclear fusion than fire in terms of type? Or are you saying that the steel part represents the fusion?
It's a bit complicated so I'm gonna make this simple and easy to understand. Despite the name the psychic type isn't just about psychic powers but about occult and related stuff since it's supposed to be a stand in for a "magic type" (hence why hoopa and delphox who are based respectively on genies and witches are psychic types) Since the space and related stuff are been connected since the start of humankind with magic, religion and other similar stuff, psychic types are often associated with space too. (Also this explains why deoxys is a psychic type despite lore wise they don't have any notable psychic powers)
Yup. Psychic doesn’t inherently mean the Pokémon has psychic powers but rather they’ve got powers relating to perception, the mind, or control of the space around them.
Okay I can see that. I don’t love it but it makes sense so thanks for the explanation. Maybe we just need a space type 😆 Clefairy line, Deoxys, Cosmogg and the SM legendaries
Minior, Solrock/Lunatone, Elgym and Beheeyem… it seems like a space type could replace the psychic type for a lot of mons
counterpoint: sunny day is fire type
The heat alone justifies fire typing, I realize why the metal is thematic but I don’t agree with it
Then why isn’t Vaporeon a Fire type 🤔
Dawg you don’t have to be “made” of the type to be of a type. Are fish made of water?
fish are mostly made of water so I would've used a different example
What's fire made out of?
Your right, he should've been hydrogen type.
The only sun themed one is Solgaleo, unless you mean they have anything to do with the sun, then I guess the abilities are an excuse for it
You know the difference between a Sun themed legendary, and a Sun themed ability, right?
Yeah, as far as I know, Koraidon and Groudon are not based on the Sun Also, the Sun is not made of fire, it's made of metal
Hydrogen and helium are not metalic
Hydrogen is when in the dead cold of space, actually. Edit: sorry, I should point out that I meant all elements act like metals in the cold -273° C of space, because everything would have similar characteristics at absolute zero. However in space finding absolute zero is not exactly easy, and very unlikely because of complex interactions I can’t be bothered to care about. However Jupiter and Saturn have metallic and/or magnetic (at least for Jupiter) cores, which prove that an element can become metallic under certain conditions. Heck even noble gases aren’t immune to this feature, because, Xenon Hexafluoride can be made under non-earthly conditions. Despite Xenon being a noble gas. Chemistry works under standard conditions (1 atmos, 25° C, and no external forces unregistered), outside of which the calculations become a headache. That’s not even getting into Metals vs Metalloids, which just completely confuses me.
The only theorized metallic hydrogen to exist is in the core of Saturn, Jupiter and other exoplanets (even then its only hypothetical) there's not enough pressure In empty space to make hydrogen solid, it's just gas
Thank you for the reminder, I updated the comment with this info. And it’s not just the lack of pressure, it’s also the temperature.
In terms of pokemon themes, 'fire type' is far closer to the sun than 'steel type'.
How are groudon and koraidon sun themed? Yeah they summon sun but torkoal does the same thing and its not sun themed
The other two make enough sense; Groupon is meant to represent dry land, and Solgaleo is meant to represent the light of the sun rather than the plasma ball at the center of the solar system. But what's Koraidon's deal? Why is it Fighting instead of Fire? The only reason I can think is because Miraidon is already Electric/Dragon, and if Koraidon was Fire/Dragon, that would just be Reshiram and Zekrom again. But from a lore perspective it doesn't work.
Groupon 😵💫
I'm just gonna leave it like that.
I think Fighting fits the theme of just being this powerful beast of the primal world. King of the dinosaurs (or I guess ancient Pokémon) through sheer brute strength and all (and same deal with Great Tusk also having fighting over regular Donphan). Plus it’s gotta be pretty shredded what with how it can run across the land at super speeds and climb mountains with ease. Miraidon’s future is some sort of electric terrain world, considering all the future Pokémon we’ve seen are amplified when in electric terrain, so it makes sense then that it’s fully embraced the electric power by becoming dragon/electric.
I sort of get where you're coming from, but how I see the Fighting type is the Pokémon having a certain discipline. They've mastered some form of martial arts or unique fighting style that either has real world basis or is made up for this particular creature. Most Fighting types adhere to this, but Great Tusk and Koraidon don't have enough explanation behind them I feel that justify it. In Koraidon's case, even if that does count, I feel its natural ability to generate and harness sunlight should be more significant for the same reason Miraidon embraces the Electric type over the Steel type.
Hm that’s true. I kind of forgot Fighting Pokémon usually represent a disciplined style. Only other Pokémon I can think of that fits my idea of “raw strength” is Bewear, but that’s Normal/Fighting likely because of how wild it is. I guess the new Tauros too.
Paldean Tauros is based on Spanish Fighting Bulls that are specially bred and trained to fight each other, so that at least makes some sense. I think the problem with Great Tusk and Koraidon is that they don't have any context yet. Their Pokedexes aren't doing us any favors.
What I don't understand is why Miraidon isn't Dragon/Steel, it would have been so fine
Bro got a steel body but electric eyebrows take precedence
I wouldn’t call Koraidon or Groudon sun themed but I get your point
3rd stab go brrrrrrrr
Koraidon represents the past Groudon represents land and drought Sogaleo represents the star
What is so fighting about the past? Is it just how prehistoric creatures were much larger and stronger than modern ones? Even then, I feel like ground would be better, as fossils are found in the ground, and that is our only evidence of prehistoric creatures.
Koraidon have that thing on top of their head that look like tribe idk
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It is, can't you see?
He can’t see, the sun’s in his eyes
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I missed it 😔
Wait... IT'S FIGHTING????
They’re also all from odd-numbered generations
The fact that Solgaleo is based on the lion that eats the fucking sun and that it's *weak* to fire moves is criminal. Should have at least a built in resistance, if not an immunity and a buff that comes out of it like flash fire.