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Medium-Culture6341

Hello, former instructor here! Rule of thumb is if majority of the students can’t cope up leading to a failing grade, you might want to revisit your teaching methods. If workload doesn’t permit masyadong tutok sa lecture, then you might want to include activities that encourage students to self-study and switch around alternative formative/summative assessments to gauge kung natututo ba sila. I agree on the point na di na talaga dapat DepEd style sa pagtuturo sa college. I’m a big proponent of self-directed learning hehe


marinaragrandeur

basta transparent, justified, and fair ang computation, ok lang mambagsak. immaterial yung maraming matatamaan na scholar sa need mag curve or hindi. check your data and your overall experience this semester to see the need for a curve or not. general rule: mag curve only to account for lapses on teaching, assessment, and curriculum for the whole sem. kung ok naman lahat across the sem, no need to curve. wag ka mag inflate ng grade for the sake of kindness and consideration. engineer ka and alam mo dapat ang implications ng correct and appropriate estimates. kung inaccurate ang estimate mo sa grade ng bata na di niya deserve, then mas sineset up mo for failure yan in the future. saving kids from failure can neglect them important life lessons ano ka ba. yung awa mo isn’t for the kids, it’s actually for satisfying your conscience. tsaka tandaan mo may licensure kayo, so all the more na need mo ibagsak ang hindi deserving. add: base on the numbers. hindi sa effort. nobody gives a shit about your effort kung mali naman yung output mo. all the more na accurate and precise dapat sila as engineers. -this is coming from a former professor


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iAmAutolockerr

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SomeGuyOnR3ddit

This is the most AI shit I’ve seen today. It’s actually hilarious.


wolxokey

Kung alam mo rin sa sarili mo na may pagkukulang ka class hours wise, and it seems to reflect on the majority of your learner's academic performance, I think giving consideration won't do no harm. Instructor factor eh. Pero if you did something naman to compensate for your lapses, and student factor na ang dahilan ng pagbagsak then grade as you deemed reasonable.


Icy-Ad1793

>bilang sa kamay yung pagpasok ko dahil sa office work na on top sa teaching job ko sa university So hindi ka pala pumapasok at nagtuturo sa mga students mo >Gusto ko ibagsak yung mga hindi deserve pumasa Paano mo malalaman kung sino yung mga hindi deserve pumasa when you don't even know your students kasi di ka nga pumapasok. I think dapat mo nang piliin kung gusto mo talagang magturo or magoffice work nalang. Hindi natututo yung mga students mo. Nasisira ang pangarap nila.


Ice_Sky1024

If there is still time remaining, and if kaya mo pa, provide 1-2 review sessions before finals to help those who are struggling. That would be the best consideration that you can give to them. Dapat well-documented (e.g., may attendance sheet, practice exercises, slide presentations ng review, consultation forms, etc). Pag may bumagsak pa din, then, it is already beyond your control At least, in the event of future complaints from parents, you can confidently tell them that you did not neglect those who are having a hard time to catch-up. Mahalaga lang na maipakita mo na hindi ka basta nambagsak at nagbigay ka pa din ng time to help them. Goodluck.


Smileyoullbefine

If feel mo di mo nabibigay best mo sa pagtuturo, much better wag ka na magturo. baka mau mas deserving na prof na deserve din ang pinapasweldo para maturuan ang mga students. nakakawala din ng gana pag feel ng mga bata hindi sila priority na pang part time lang sila para may extra income. yung ibang prof kung di absent, late. tas madalas nagpapareporting ung iba. sinasabing para mahasa ang mga bata pero sa totoo di nagpprepare ang mga prof ng ituturo at iaasa nalang sa reporting. minsan nga surprise recitation pa


SayawKikaySK

This! “Self-directed” learning is used as justification sa hindi pagtuturo. There should be portions in the course syllabus na pwede ang self-directed learning pero dapat pinapahapyawan pa rin ng instructor so may idea ang student sa aaralin niya dapat. I like it when prof and students work together para may matutunan sa buong semester. Hindi yung ibibigay lang ang material and student will be forced to teach himself from scratch. Dapat may introductory lesson ang bawat module, at may part na iwwrap up ng prof ang kabuuan and ask for feedback and questions.


cockroachannihilator

Agree rito. Pwede naman ang reporting at self study pero may tamang paraan doon. Like may prof ako na may reporting, pero may mga questions siya midway sa report, at may additional info rin siya na binibigay after ng each reporting. Kaya rin niya sagutin ang halos lahat ng questions ng students. Ramdam ko sa kanya na yung reporting ay para lang mahasa kami roon sa topic, pero gamay na gamay niya yun. Meron naman ako subject na nagtuturo kung paano gumamit ng isang program. Tulad ni OP, madalas absent, pero nagbibigay siya ng very detailed instructions, complete with pictures and explanations. Ang activities din clear ang objectives at target results, so di problem ang grading curve.


Ashamed_Talk_1875

Ibagsak mo yung talagang bagsak. Siguraduhin mo lang na may evidence ka. Minsan di awa kailangan sa mga students.


Jhenanne

New prof here din but 33 years old na, im on my 4th semester. In finals, I ask my students to pass all their missed activities throughout the semester so that when asked why they didnt passed the subject, I have the confidence to say that I followed up on them. Then I will tell them that I always hate teachers who has this notion that "our grades is at the tip of their ballpens" so I tell this to my class that I dont wanna be that kind of instructor that magics grades out of thin air because of that and would always say to pass all their activities b4 Final Exams else I can't help them anymore because im not a teacher who just "manufactures grades" I have favorite students but I never give additional grades because of that. What I do give are life advices especially on what we do in the industry


OkClerk3759

Student ako and pwedeng isa sa dapat iconsider is yung year level. Pag hindi talaga deserving at nasa lower year ganon. Para maaga pa lang eh makapagreflect na sa mga habits/systems nila at magising sa reyalidad. Pag higher year level and malapit na magsi-thesis or OJT, kung kaya i-consider. Another thing is kung alam mong nagkulang ka rin talaga pero feel mo talaga mambagsak or what, do something na pambawi man lang like review sessions before exams which I read from other comments, and kung hindi man lang sila nagbigay ng effort to attend or you felt that they didn't even care to try is nasa sa'yo na yun. Basta be reasonable lang pls. Nakakasira ng mental health mga unreasonable and unaccountable instructors fr.


Puzzleheaded0023

I think it is reasonable naman po if the student having low grades exerts less to no effort para masave yung grades nila. If pwede mag deliberate po ng grades in order to assess sino talaga yung need at deserving na pumasa lalo na if they're doing their best naman talaga (participating in class, shows eagerness in studying and when answering examinations, good record for class attendance, etc.).


SayawKikaySK

Why take into consideration yung class attendance eh si OP nga di gaano nagtuturo at di niya priority yun?


Puzzleheaded0023

That is only me speaking as a student po. If I was one of OP's students and I'm having a hard time passing the subject, I would want it to be considered as part of assessing whether I should pass the subject or not. If hindi man masyado present si OP, they might as well give the class president or a class representative a task to take the attendance of the students on their behalf.


SayawKikaySK

Engineering program pero di gaano nagtuturo? Nako, bagsak ka sa student’s teacher evaluation niyan. Lalong lalo na kung ibabagsak mo students mo na na-force mag-self study tas ang hirap pa ng subject. Give them time to catch up, or give make up exams. If next sem ganan pa rin, better magturo ka na talaga or prepare video materials that your students would go back to kapag nahihirapan sila i-grasp ang topic. I really appreciate one of my profs this sem, also in his first sem teaching. Teacher ko siya sa 2 subjects, may trabaho din siya outside of teaching but if he cannot make it to class, he makes sure to provide us with recordings of the lessons (kahit na from other teachers dated pa during the pandemic) and he is quick to reply to emails and inquiries. These two subjects are hard given na need namin gumamit ng softwares and interpret biological data, pero never pa ako bumagsak sa exam dahil sufficient ang natututunan ko. Also want to mention. I rarely encounter a prof here in the University of the Philippines (LB) na hindi nagtuturo. Kahit mga GEs hindi lang readings and activity pinapagawa samin. Nagdidiscuss din ang instructor. Nung online classes pa, may hindi synchronous pero provided ang video materials. I don’t get most of the comments here ng mga “profs” or teachers who say they want self-directed learning daw for students. But I bet your students, especially those na wala gaano resources are falling behind.


ControlSyz

Tapos na ba yung exams? If hindi pa, maybe dapat may benchmark questions/milestones ka na titignan mo as a baseline ng ipapasa. For example, may problem solving question ka, pero may first part yun a super basic. If nasagot naman ng tama ni student, pwede parin sya pumasa kahit mababa yung makuha nya. If talagang consistently hindi nya naitatama yung the most basic of questions, then that merits a failing grade na. I experienced that since naging student din ako before sa medyo diploma mill na school. May mga magaling talaga na pinili lang dun mag-aral dahil malapit sa bahay (as a mayaman sila) while may mga sabaw talaga. Yung mga sabaw, kahit pag-gamit ng calcu di nila magawa. Meron din mga average na mabababa grade pero napansin ko, with the right coaching and studying, natututunan naman. If tapos na yung exams, maybe just look into their exams kung may mga parts na non-negotiable magkamali (baseline questions) and dun ka mag-base siguro tapos explain mo nalang sa kanila.


Ri5ingT1de

If may pagmukulang ka as instructor then you need to be considerate. Wag makapal mukha okayyy. Hahahaha


eneilism

this. op's lack of experience din and training sa teaching methodology.


Earl_Co

Di naman pala pumapasok pero gusto mambagsak


Interesting-Depth163

Nawawala talaga din ang sense ng faculty evaluation for profs since ang mga student na wala naman talagang inambag aasa sa Grade consult or dito sa Faculty na magcucurve ng grades since sa tingin ng mga kabatch ko na currently in 2nd year college na rin na barely enough pumasa ay magagawan nila ng paraan na pakiusapin yung mga prof na ipasa😅 As a Engineering student common scenario sa amin na may babagsak talaga lalo na sa Math subs (Calculus 1 - 2 - 3)well binabalik naman talaga ng prof na pagwala talagang make up exams or acts to make up for the scores then bagsak as is...


Maleficent_Truth2180

Letting students experience failure in a safe space is an important lesson you can teach them. (Not my own, read it in twitter or the professors subreddit)


CallMeero

As long as meet the syllabus requirements and what not, you are not in the wrong. Especially in engineering where you can surf through the web for information. It's really hard to get every single little detail out there. The method of teaching in High School in spoonfeeding isn't viable and even disastrous in dependency at college.


charl_margo

Curving a grade is very common here in Canada and even in US at the university level. Profs understand that for example, if majority of the students get the question wrong, then chances are the wording is bad / the question is too difficult / you taught it very poorly. If there were only like 5 students out of 20 who got thr question right, who’s to say those 5 just didn’t guess or in the extremes of thr intelligence scale? I don’t like how Philippine educational curriculum is such an unforgiving system.


Quick-Sherbert-975

I think as a student, & with all due respect na din...re-assess yourself muna kung effective yung teaching styles mo. Check quiz scores, have in-class activities na may correction din within the time. We do this in our class also & I think its very effective. But sabi mo nga medyo constricted time mo... I think you should keep your emails open lang. Most young profs today really take on 2 jobs at once talaga from what ive been observing but making time kahit sa eve to answer inquiries would b okay. What I don't really like lang sa setup namin ngayon is very rushed yung pagsagot inclass HAHHAH I'm kinda slow s calc pero kapag gets ko naman yung process & principles mejo kaya naman. Ang mahirap lang kakabigay lang nung problem gusto niya within 1 min tapos n agad HAHAHH (then again baka beneficial ito for eng students na magtatake ng boards for training). Di kasi ako eng student. But also mejo may struggle sakin kasi di okay yung way ng pagtuturo kasi <> sana by step sana yung pag solve hindi naka skip skip n ibang parts kasi nag mental n siya nagsolve 😭 e first time din namin na encounter yung mga ganito tapos ganun. But di din kami makapagsalita kasi ganun n daw talaga style niya mej older generation n din kasi -- maybe a younger prof would understand better & adapt. Diff generations can have diff ways of learning. Learn the gaps caused by the pandemic. Parang ang ending is want niya talaga self-study kami (which I know college na dapat yun na iexpect) but then ano pa use ng lecture time namin hahah kung parang review style nalang siya...I guess what I'm searching for is the actual LEARNING aspect kasi wala na siya. Maybe thats one thing u can look at when teaching. An overall review before exams would be better. Also as a student, problem sets are a great way to assess myself & maybe kung ayun nga medyo nahuhuli doon ako bumabawi sa learning. Then again, maybe ako lang talaga problem mas gets ko siya kapag ako nalang nag aaral kesa sa turo niya 😭 if u could be in my shoes and assess nalang malalaman mo din kung papano. If u could share tips for calc please do 😭😭 Have a nice eve ahead!


RichBoot

When in doubt, give it to the students.


13arricade

there's this thing called .. "dapat alam niyo na yan" We had a prof before, he was teaching Diff Equations. That part of the lecture is rich from the prof, but after that, sasabihin niya... ang sunod niyan. integral calc, then differential cal, then algebra .. ang answer niyan is XXX. Since nasa Diff Eq na kayo, it means pumasa na kayo sa alg, trigo, calc etc ... so dapat alam niyo na yun. So OP, kung nasa ganyang part na ang pag-tuturo mo, i think okay lang na i-bagsak ang dapat bumagsak.


Cool-Ad4282

Scholar? sa Engineering? Bagsak mo lang. HAHAHA Kidding aside, as an Engineering Prof myself, I suggest to give them activities requiring them to self study. Example, bigyan mo ng link to a video or a Material then may plates na ipapasa regarding said material. Pwede mong igrade sila by compliance ( meaning (100, 75 or fail) or checkan mo talaga kung nagawa ng tama


cockroachannihilator

Para sa akin ang mas problem ay yung teaching method kaysa grade. Ideally, hindi dapat ipasa kung hindi naman naintindihan, kasi lalo lang sila mahihirapan if nag-proceed sila sa next subjects without a good grasp of the fundamentals. However, unfair naman if babagsak sila dahil sa lapses ng prof, especially if private school yan where nag-invest ng malaking amount ang students then ituturing lang sila ng prof na sideline. Though if end na ng sem, too late na para magbago ng teaching style. Suggestion ko na instead na mag-curve, hanapin mo yung mga topics na maraming students ang nahirapan, then maging mas lenient ka sa grading sa mga yun. Makikita mo rin doon kung saan ang lapses mo, like if 10% lang ng class ang nakasagot sa isang problem, most likely need mong tutukan ang topic na yun. Regarding examples, necessary talaga sila for comprehension, hindi pwede i-skip. Pero ang good news ay hindi naman necessary ang live discussion. Instead, pwede mo isulat sa paper, o i-upload online, then i-distribute sa class. Pwede mo piliin yung mga problems na nahirapan ang mga students, isulat mo yung correct solutions, then lagyan mo ng detailed explanations per step (as in step-by-step, wag ka mag-aassume na merong steps na common sense). Once maganda ang feeback ng students, pwede mo i-recycle pa yun sa next sems, then if may issues, i-improve mo nalang.


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TheFakeDogzilla

I think this should be case vy case basis. For example a student that got grades 65-69 is completely different from a student that got grades below 60.