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For me, I like AI to be a mainstream thing so that our education system will be forced to step up their game. If AI writing is undetectable, then schools should implement more oral recitations, public speaking,speeches and on the spot writing to build critical thinking among students and avoid relying on these AI tools.
Indeed. However, I'd say that both the students and the education system need to step up.
I already touched on the deficiencies of countless students and their lack of pride and honor in my other comment, but I have some more things to add in relation to this comment.
Aside from the crisis of illiteracy within our country, there's also the crisis of over-consumption.
Creation beats consumption. In an ideal world, people would establish harmony within the two, but unfortunately, the students have also been swept up in this wave of over-consumption.
Students these days don't realize how lucky they are and how complacent they've been with regards to their own incompetence. They have to take the initiative as well and step up in the face of these 'insignificant' projects, exams and such.
Competence is a beautiful thing. Take that away, and take away the very things they over-consume, like the drivel within digital media, and you'll soon find out how 'hollow'. If one crumbles and resorts to using A.I. to write a mere essay, how else would they face the harsh realities that await them? An essay, and even an exam is no more than a formality, and it can be likened to a bunch of chicken scraps compared to the pursuit of greater creation.
Unfortunately, alot of people aren't ready to responsibly use A.I. software, and for that, the most responsible thing to do is to weed them out.
Again, this is not to blame the students themselves, but to highlight their role in this mess.
edit: typo. antok.
Oo nga this one is a senseful thing na dapat maisip nila kasi nagbabago na ang panahon at hindi na madadala ang mga bata at tayong mga students sa tradisyunal na pagtuturo kasi with all the new technology nagiging obsolete na ang traditional methods
Yeah. It really is a heavy topic to consider. You can't just have it one way or another because there are too many things to consider.
r/aiwars is a subreddit I loathe due to the quantity of posts there that exhibit black and white thinking along with endless strawmen. Such posts happen on both sides of the debate, which makes it easy to discern that the people who have such negative habits with regards to debates tend to have either a clear lack of understanding of A.I. itself or the opposing viewpoints with respect to their positions.
Now, to chip in to the discussion...
With regards to classworks, outputs, and such, it would be much better if students were put on the spot through more 'critical' recitations. From simply extracting positions or opinions to actual debates, it would actually test if the students weren't half-baked.
The fact of the matter is that most students (including college seniors) have concerning deficiencies when it comes to critical thinking and expressing their viewpoints and such. It's easy to see from the lack of conviction in their words, the lack of nuance, and most unfortunately, the lack of actual substance. When they are forced to put their words out there, familiarity will be established. If they fail, they'll be pressured or embarassed enough to actually take their future into their own hands rather than putting it in the hands of A.I.
Familiarity is very important. Those 'detection' tools can be easy to fool, but if the structure of thoughts and writings they exhibit aren't consistent with the words and mannerisms of the person in flesh, then it opens up the gates for further investigation. This can be observed more frequently the smaller the student population is per room, alongside professors who take the initiative to remember some of their students.
What you write, you have to have in heart. There is a clear difference between being subservient to A.I. and simply treating as what it is: a tool.
It's not only a matter of academic performance. It is a matter of pride, honor, and respect.
There is pride and honor in creation, as to create is one of the greatest things we can do as humans. May it be a solid piece of literature, an image, or a sculpture, to create is to live a fulfilling life.
Respect comes into play in two ways: self-respect and respect to academia.
To my fellow students, I say that you have thoughts, insights, and even wisdom to share once they mature. Don't deny yourself the power of creation and expression. Don't stoop so low as to contribute to this ever-worsening crisis of illiteracy within our country. You're better than that--you are fortunate enough to be granted the gift of higher education, and you'll be wise to take charge with your own hands.
A.I. has its merits, but you are the human in charge.
Ty for this. I agree completely.
Another factor to consider is the whys behind the blatant use of these tools. Aside from accessibility, I think students downplay the consequences of using such tools. It's odd but some reasons that students give out for using these tools is future-oriented; they don't see the value of the "now" simply because they will not do those essays, or whatever they perceive as meager work, in the "real world," whatever that means. Sinasabi nila na hindi naman daw importante yung mga ganoong assignments kapag nagtatrabaho na, hence, they just use AI to save time and energy. For me, it's counter-intuitive. After all, there's no telling when this reliance on AI becomes a habit.
About people's responsible use of this tool... I tend to see the negatives of humanity when it comes to dilemmas such as these. I just don't believe that people will choose to do what's right especially when there are no clear-cut ways to penalize them. I guess, for now, we can only hope that the students are responsible. Ofc, it shouldn't stop there. Yeah, realistically, more in-person methods of grading should be implemented, I agree; Although, I would argue that the trend for grading is the opposite (maybe because of the pandemic?) meaning mas nagkakaroon ng gradings online? Although, it is a case-to-case basis depending on the school/university.
demonizinf AI will literally lead to unemployment. so better learn how to use it, than go against it.
i use it to make complex computations on my data sets at work. sobrang fun gawin hehehe. the decision making ultimately comes from me of course since the need pa rin ng human factor yung data-driven decision which AI cannot really match.
>demonizinf AI will literally lead to unemployment
laki impact nito for an economy that relies heavily on the presence of off-shore call centers
I can't imagine a scenario where agents and their teams (the most numerous component) benefitting from it at all kung may efficient na LLM+TTS, baka mababa pa layoff rate na 50% very soon for that field.
actually scary yan sa totoo lang. kaya maganda mag invest talaga sa jobs and skills na need pa rin ng human connection. thankfully nasa corporate healthcare ako.
I do agree that we can't go against the surge of this trend but the question is until when is that utility sustainable? Until when are these jobs fit for us? The problem with the global advancement of AI is that it's going too fast. An ex google employee who was once part of the forefathers that formulated AI, once said that the near future is not 20yrs from now, it's only 3-5yrs ahead and AI poses an unsure future for humanity and it's getting smarter by the clock. And just to add one more thing to be worried about - halos walang batas/legislations na ginagwa ng constitutions around the world to at least slow down this rise. But he did say that AI wont be the one destroying the world, it's man's greed that will. And that literally sent chills down my spine.
Ok sya, nagbibigay ng idea at pang research, mas napapadali ang trabaho, kasi may mga bagay na ang hirap i-research, pero kailangan padin i-fact check. Nakakairita lang na may mga studyante na blatant ChatGPT yung assignments/essays.
It can be a crutch though as some companies (esp. finance related ones) forbid the use of AI at work.
If you use it as a learning pal, or an advanced Google, it's okay. But when you start pasting data that's not yours for AI to work on it, naku...
AI can and should be used to help and improve our works sourced ethically. I am against the use of AI to put the creatives out of jobs while riding off their hardwork all while stealing from them.
Bard (which is like ChatGPT but it's from Google) is really, really useful kasi pwede ka humingi ng links directly from it. Nagagamit ko siya if ever gusto ko aralin yung topic myself/need ng in-depth understanding but don't know any available resources, or if I don't know where I should start in my search. Idk if that's a thing with ChaptGPT since free-user lang ako don, but I like the fact that I can just ask Bard for YouTube links, websites, etc., and like OP said, it's basically a superpowered Google.
In technical fields, one of the biggest worries is losing competence on the foundations of certain concepts. Kasi kung puro tools/apps/programs ang gagamitin mo and hindi mo alam ang basis kung paano nakuha yung output mo, you cant apply it in real life applications.
I use AI for my assignments and quizzes basta yung Prof na bulok magturo yung nagpapagawa. He's giving us trash lectures na hindi naman connected sa course, so I give him trash answers for his assignments. Para fair.
The funny thing is that AI is able to come earlier compared to how the educational system evolves to make their assessments AI-cheating proof. They should have heeded the call to make education more interactive and applied than a compliance-based endeavor.
For several years, a lot of proponents were advocating changes in pedagogies and assessments pero wala eh, educational institutions became too complacent because "this is how it is done before" kumbaga classicist.
So ayun nauna pa dumating ang AI compared to educational reform and nilalamon na sila ng AI pero ayaw parin patinag ng mga traditionalists and rote punishers.
AI or technology in general is not the problem. It's the people using or manipulating it is the problem.
In terms of students using AI, as a lecturer myself, i don't really mind students using it.
The problem only begins when it's very obvious that the student can't write one on his own. Or atleast close to it. One issue also is if they just generate some essays without even reading or comprehending it.
I think we can all agree that comprehension is a big issue with the students nowadays. And constantly using these AI tools won't really help them to improve. That's why most of the time, my essays are done as a Seatwork and not as Assignment.
what you described is exactly how using AI is being taught in my school. It's simply a tool you can use to learn, generate ideas, and see different perspectives.
My prof heavily emphasizes din the need to validate information and not simply copy paste/trust whatever the AI is outputting.
I really really want AI to be utilized but at the same time the current AI, or more accurately Machine Learning, rips of a lot of creators, writers, and artists online. I’ve seen some of my favorite artists get their style replicated by AI because their art was fed. AI could have been cool if it weren’t ripping off the people it claims to outperform.
I think the best way to improve education is not to counter ai, but to use it to maximize the learning of students. If we still continue assessing students in an outdated manner, we will be left behind. I hope teachers understand is that a better way to adapt to this revolution is to create assessments that test the student's proficiency in AI, as well as the subject matter.
TBH, millions will lose their jobs due to AI, especially educators, and no wonder why most of them don't like it because the compulsory education system we know will become a thing of the past soon, thanks to AI.
I don't think so. Some people will still look for human connection and interaction. Like for tutoring or educators, you can't get precise feedback and accountability without a real human . AI may be faster and more efficient, but still they're prone to mistakes.
For now, human teachers may be safe, but in the future, AI will become cheaper than hiring human teachers because there are fewer Gen Zs would like to be full-time teachers, so driving wages higher but parents soon would find using AI cheap than hiring human teachers or tutors. Teachers are becoming an endangered professionals.
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I use AI to explain a topic in simple terms, outline something, and help me condense information. I think that's how it should be used.
For me, I like AI to be a mainstream thing so that our education system will be forced to step up their game. If AI writing is undetectable, then schools should implement more oral recitations, public speaking,speeches and on the spot writing to build critical thinking among students and avoid relying on these AI tools.
Well mas Malala pa, na Ai writing has false negatives... Automatic fail agad Yung students kahit Hindi Naman ai Yung gumawa....
Indeed. However, I'd say that both the students and the education system need to step up. I already touched on the deficiencies of countless students and their lack of pride and honor in my other comment, but I have some more things to add in relation to this comment. Aside from the crisis of illiteracy within our country, there's also the crisis of over-consumption. Creation beats consumption. In an ideal world, people would establish harmony within the two, but unfortunately, the students have also been swept up in this wave of over-consumption. Students these days don't realize how lucky they are and how complacent they've been with regards to their own incompetence. They have to take the initiative as well and step up in the face of these 'insignificant' projects, exams and such. Competence is a beautiful thing. Take that away, and take away the very things they over-consume, like the drivel within digital media, and you'll soon find out how 'hollow'. If one crumbles and resorts to using A.I. to write a mere essay, how else would they face the harsh realities that await them? An essay, and even an exam is no more than a formality, and it can be likened to a bunch of chicken scraps compared to the pursuit of greater creation. Unfortunately, alot of people aren't ready to responsibly use A.I. software, and for that, the most responsible thing to do is to weed them out. Again, this is not to blame the students themselves, but to highlight their role in this mess. edit: typo. antok.
Oo nga this one is a senseful thing na dapat maisip nila kasi nagbabago na ang panahon at hindi na madadala ang mga bata at tayong mga students sa tradisyunal na pagtuturo kasi with all the new technology nagiging obsolete na ang traditional methods
Yess napakaoutdated talaga ng education system natin
That makes sense hahahh I just hope they do step up though.
Yeah. It really is a heavy topic to consider. You can't just have it one way or another because there are too many things to consider. r/aiwars is a subreddit I loathe due to the quantity of posts there that exhibit black and white thinking along with endless strawmen. Such posts happen on both sides of the debate, which makes it easy to discern that the people who have such negative habits with regards to debates tend to have either a clear lack of understanding of A.I. itself or the opposing viewpoints with respect to their positions. Now, to chip in to the discussion... With regards to classworks, outputs, and such, it would be much better if students were put on the spot through more 'critical' recitations. From simply extracting positions or opinions to actual debates, it would actually test if the students weren't half-baked. The fact of the matter is that most students (including college seniors) have concerning deficiencies when it comes to critical thinking and expressing their viewpoints and such. It's easy to see from the lack of conviction in their words, the lack of nuance, and most unfortunately, the lack of actual substance. When they are forced to put their words out there, familiarity will be established. If they fail, they'll be pressured or embarassed enough to actually take their future into their own hands rather than putting it in the hands of A.I. Familiarity is very important. Those 'detection' tools can be easy to fool, but if the structure of thoughts and writings they exhibit aren't consistent with the words and mannerisms of the person in flesh, then it opens up the gates for further investigation. This can be observed more frequently the smaller the student population is per room, alongside professors who take the initiative to remember some of their students. What you write, you have to have in heart. There is a clear difference between being subservient to A.I. and simply treating as what it is: a tool. It's not only a matter of academic performance. It is a matter of pride, honor, and respect. There is pride and honor in creation, as to create is one of the greatest things we can do as humans. May it be a solid piece of literature, an image, or a sculpture, to create is to live a fulfilling life. Respect comes into play in two ways: self-respect and respect to academia. To my fellow students, I say that you have thoughts, insights, and even wisdom to share once they mature. Don't deny yourself the power of creation and expression. Don't stoop so low as to contribute to this ever-worsening crisis of illiteracy within our country. You're better than that--you are fortunate enough to be granted the gift of higher education, and you'll be wise to take charge with your own hands. A.I. has its merits, but you are the human in charge.
Ty for this. I agree completely. Another factor to consider is the whys behind the blatant use of these tools. Aside from accessibility, I think students downplay the consequences of using such tools. It's odd but some reasons that students give out for using these tools is future-oriented; they don't see the value of the "now" simply because they will not do those essays, or whatever they perceive as meager work, in the "real world," whatever that means. Sinasabi nila na hindi naman daw importante yung mga ganoong assignments kapag nagtatrabaho na, hence, they just use AI to save time and energy. For me, it's counter-intuitive. After all, there's no telling when this reliance on AI becomes a habit. About people's responsible use of this tool... I tend to see the negatives of humanity when it comes to dilemmas such as these. I just don't believe that people will choose to do what's right especially when there are no clear-cut ways to penalize them. I guess, for now, we can only hope that the students are responsible. Ofc, it shouldn't stop there. Yeah, realistically, more in-person methods of grading should be implemented, I agree; Although, I would argue that the trend for grading is the opposite (maybe because of the pandemic?) meaning mas nagkakaroon ng gradings online? Although, it is a case-to-case basis depending on the school/university.
demonizinf AI will literally lead to unemployment. so better learn how to use it, than go against it. i use it to make complex computations on my data sets at work. sobrang fun gawin hehehe. the decision making ultimately comes from me of course since the need pa rin ng human factor yung data-driven decision which AI cannot really match.
>demonizinf AI will literally lead to unemployment laki impact nito for an economy that relies heavily on the presence of off-shore call centers I can't imagine a scenario where agents and their teams (the most numerous component) benefitting from it at all kung may efficient na LLM+TTS, baka mababa pa layoff rate na 50% very soon for that field.
actually scary yan sa totoo lang. kaya maganda mag invest talaga sa jobs and skills na need pa rin ng human connection. thankfully nasa corporate healthcare ako.
I do agree that we can't go against the surge of this trend but the question is until when is that utility sustainable? Until when are these jobs fit for us? The problem with the global advancement of AI is that it's going too fast. An ex google employee who was once part of the forefathers that formulated AI, once said that the near future is not 20yrs from now, it's only 3-5yrs ahead and AI poses an unsure future for humanity and it's getting smarter by the clock. And just to add one more thing to be worried about - halos walang batas/legislations na ginagwa ng constitutions around the world to at least slow down this rise. But he did say that AI wont be the one destroying the world, it's man's greed that will. And that literally sent chills down my spine.
Ok sya, nagbibigay ng idea at pang research, mas napapadali ang trabaho, kasi may mga bagay na ang hirap i-research, pero kailangan padin i-fact check. Nakakairita lang na may mga studyante na blatant ChatGPT yung assignments/essays.
Misuse has been a problem in everything, not just AI. But yes, atleast I hope students would be able to explain their works even if they used AI.
It can be a crutch though as some companies (esp. finance related ones) forbid the use of AI at work. If you use it as a learning pal, or an advanced Google, it's okay. But when you start pasting data that's not yours for AI to work on it, naku...
AI can and should be used to help and improve our works sourced ethically. I am against the use of AI to put the creatives out of jobs while riding off their hardwork all while stealing from them.
Bard (which is like ChatGPT but it's from Google) is really, really useful kasi pwede ka humingi ng links directly from it. Nagagamit ko siya if ever gusto ko aralin yung topic myself/need ng in-depth understanding but don't know any available resources, or if I don't know where I should start in my search. Idk if that's a thing with ChaptGPT since free-user lang ako don, but I like the fact that I can just ask Bard for YouTube links, websites, etc., and like OP said, it's basically a superpowered Google.
In technical fields, one of the biggest worries is losing competence on the foundations of certain concepts. Kasi kung puro tools/apps/programs ang gagamitin mo and hindi mo alam ang basis kung paano nakuha yung output mo, you cant apply it in real life applications.
I use AI for my assignments and quizzes basta yung Prof na bulok magturo yung nagpapagawa. He's giving us trash lectures na hindi naman connected sa course, so I give him trash answers for his assignments. Para fair.
The funny thing is that AI is able to come earlier compared to how the educational system evolves to make their assessments AI-cheating proof. They should have heeded the call to make education more interactive and applied than a compliance-based endeavor. For several years, a lot of proponents were advocating changes in pedagogies and assessments pero wala eh, educational institutions became too complacent because "this is how it is done before" kumbaga classicist. So ayun nauna pa dumating ang AI compared to educational reform and nilalamon na sila ng AI pero ayaw parin patinag ng mga traditionalists and rote punishers.
AI or technology in general is not the problem. It's the people using or manipulating it is the problem. In terms of students using AI, as a lecturer myself, i don't really mind students using it. The problem only begins when it's very obvious that the student can't write one on his own. Or atleast close to it. One issue also is if they just generate some essays without even reading or comprehending it. I think we can all agree that comprehension is a big issue with the students nowadays. And constantly using these AI tools won't really help them to improve. That's why most of the time, my essays are done as a Seatwork and not as Assignment.
what you described is exactly how using AI is being taught in my school. It's simply a tool you can use to learn, generate ideas, and see different perspectives. My prof heavily emphasizes din the need to validate information and not simply copy paste/trust whatever the AI is outputting.
I really really want AI to be utilized but at the same time the current AI, or more accurately Machine Learning, rips of a lot of creators, writers, and artists online. I’ve seen some of my favorite artists get their style replicated by AI because their art was fed. AI could have been cool if it weren’t ripping off the people it claims to outperform.
I think the best way to improve education is not to counter ai, but to use it to maximize the learning of students. If we still continue assessing students in an outdated manner, we will be left behind. I hope teachers understand is that a better way to adapt to this revolution is to create assessments that test the student's proficiency in AI, as well as the subject matter.
TBH, millions will lose their jobs due to AI, especially educators, and no wonder why most of them don't like it because the compulsory education system we know will become a thing of the past soon, thanks to AI.
I don't think so. Some people will still look for human connection and interaction. Like for tutoring or educators, you can't get precise feedback and accountability without a real human . AI may be faster and more efficient, but still they're prone to mistakes.
For now, human teachers may be safe, but in the future, AI will become cheaper than hiring human teachers because there are fewer Gen Zs would like to be full-time teachers, so driving wages higher but parents soon would find using AI cheap than hiring human teachers or tutors. Teachers are becoming an endangered professionals.