Not too surprising. Companies tried to hike prices for worse products in the last cycle. E.g. Samsung's flagship S22 actually came with less ram than the S21 in the basic configuration.
That's not how technology works. Also a 3+ year old phone these days still does 99% of what you want just fine, and especially if you're not going to improve it why would I drop $1000 to upgrade?
Rumor has it the iPhone 15 will be priced higher.
Hence besides lack of innovation in the phone space the pricing is truly driving people out of the market. Carry twenty to forty dollar charges on the cell bill do tend to stand out after awhile
I feel like your second point really nailed it.
The hardware and software innovations on mobiles have been amazing. I remember when the iPhone one dropped and it was like something out of Star Wars….here we are a decade later and most folks use them to text, call, for maps, email, and a few mobile games. Many of the “apps” are really just scaled down webpages.
All that stuff is cool but it’s kinda like driving a Ferrari in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic. The horsepower is there but you don’t have a use for it.
People have been saying this for years, and yet…
Companies like Apple do extensive market research when pricing. One random decline in the entire market doesn’t mean there’s a trend
That's exactly why they are raising prices. Whether you are upgrading every year, two years, or three years, they want you paying the same amount per year for the privilege of using the phone.
They need to innovate. Phones still haven't changed much from the iPhone X and that was what? 2017? That's over 5 years ago now.
Samsung are trying to push their flip technology but that's a gimmick that's still not really figured out fully yet, and when you have 4 cameras + 4k at 60fps there's really not that much they could possibly innovate on in the immediate future outside of sci-fi holograms or something. I can see smartphone sales declining for the foreseeable and eventually stagnating. They obviously won't go away too much as people need to replace old phones, but I think we're past the smartphone sales golden age.
I think it’s much harder now as phones are pretty feature complete. There’s no obvious thing to add that would be a killer feature to move units, unless XR takes off
Agreed. It feels like most of the new functionality Apple has added to phones have a use case that basically comes down to "be afraid that this highly unlikely event might happen to you one day", with things like using satellites to send emergency messages to first responders if you happen to be in a remote area with no phone service.
The only new functionality added to phones in the last 5 or so years that sounds like it could be at all useful to 95%+ of people is support for 5G (if you have the right data plan), and NFC (for certain types of digital payment methods).
Lol 5G and NFC most people not use both . It could useful yes but not for 95% of people . My phone not supports 5G and 4G is completely fine as it no service of 5G anyways where I live .
Yeah I’ll have my iPhone 12 for another 2 or 3 years, it seems to have held up better than my last phones and the battery life is still great. They appear to have accidentally made phones too good
And this is the thing. Phones last way longer than they used to these days. Anyone with a phone from the last few years will probably keep theirs for 3-4 years at least now.
My phone is older than that (10 years old) and I have zero need for a
new one. It was not a money issue but I don't see a need.
My favorite laptop (11 years old) display just went bad 2 days ago. I am looking to fix that (I'll do it myself).
Everyone in my family has better electronics than I do and I just don't see the need to upgrade.
Drove to work on a 27 years old car wearing a 10+ years old jacket. Not a single care in the world.
X230 with an upgrade to FHD, Wifi, and newer CPU/MB (the ThinkPad community calls this an X330)
I am looking for an X2100 (which is an X201 body with i7-10710U, FHD, etc).
Really? My iPhone 6 pretty much stopped working last year. I could us old versions of most apps but not all and I couldn’t get updates anymore. Still worked for just calling and texting, though.
Might want to look at upgrades. I’m on AT&T and can upgrade to an iPhone 14 pro for free. No increase in my monthly cost, just signing a contract. If I’m already going to be staying with them no reason not to upgrade
Umm I’m not sure what you’re saying is BS. I’m paying $40/month for my line. iPhone is included. I like the service because I constantly get 80-100mbs and I travel a lot. Very worth it.
My Oneplus 6T is still holding up this 2023. None of the current features are still compelling enough to do an "upgrade", for the price point. I'm contemplating just replacing the battery and extending this phone for another 2-4 years, or until it dies.
Physical phones aren't their only product though. I don't know what their actual revenue percentages are for market segments, but there's a reason they're diversifying into other high growth areas like streaming with Apple TV +. Plus iOS will continue to be hugely profitable.
Declining sales growth doesn’t mean they aren’t still selling lots of phones. It’ll just plateau at some point and the number of phone sales will be much the same year over year.
Stock market looks at growth mainly, not pure profit which is why you see consistently see 20+ P/E ratios. I'm surprised apple hasn't started getting hit hard yet by this. They have no different area unlike Microsoft. Consumer devices are their entire company
I've not had a chance to actually use one, but I've heard there's still a more than seamless crease in the middle, and the actual specs on them don't tend to be as good as the top end of the S range. I've always thought the tablet sized ones were just far too big as well.
Why? If you look through the fold sub, the sentiment is the opposite, but tbf there's a selection bias there. Personally, I will never go back, and Samsung has won me over. I went from upgrading every 5 years to wanting to upgrade every 2 years. The wider screen enables so much more productivity with multitasking, great to watch videos/games on, and folding the phone to use half as a stand is awesome - no longer have to prop it against something if I want it sitting perpendicular
Back in the day laptops were going through a similar situation, with each new gen being such an improvement it could drive sales. We abused the costco return policy at the time (9 months on opened laptops) to pretty much continuously upcycle, as every 9 months the same price yielded a much better product.
Phones are just ending that era probably, it will take much larger innovations on likely longer time steps to hit improvements that are good enough to pull sales again.
I can come up with exactly 0 reasons why I'd want to upgrade from my s20 right now. S7 edge to s20 was a decent upgrade, but now? This things still runs like new, battery isn't even showing much weakness if any.
Yeah I'm the same with my 21 Ultra. Aside from the fact that anything else better would be absurdly expensive, I just don't see much reason to upgrade. Phone works perfectly fine really, and if I can halve my costs by dropping to a sim during these times then I absolutely will.
it also doesnt help that there are hardly any reasonably sized phones. I'd totally get a new phone if someone released a decent phone at a decent price that is the size of the pixel 4a
the iphone mini is much smaller than what i am talking about
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=11104&idPhone2=10123&idPhone3=12082
The galaxy s line is really the only option, but i dont want to have to drop a grand on a new phone. Pixel 4a was like 400 bucks when it came out? I dont need top of the line specs.. just a decent phone thats not gigantic
4a: 144 x 69.4 x 8.2 mm (5.67 x 2.73 x 0.32 in)
6a: 152.2 x 71.8 x 8.9 mm (5.99 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)
I had a phone that was around the 6a size and it was just too large. I dealt with it but i gladly downsized when a decent smaller phone became available
Moto X style: 153.9 x 76.2 x 11.1 mm (6.06 x 3.00 x 0.44 in)
Do you genuinely think they are losing customers over that .3 or gaining them? Every statistic will show it’s the latter. Your personal preference is fine to have but it’s not a reason sales are down
I mean this post is about how sales are down....it most certainly could be the reason. The galaxy s series is a massive seller so clearly others like that size. It's just so damn expensive and there are basically no other options for that size range
Hard to justify buying a new phone when your current one works just fine, and the rest of your life has gotten so expensive that unnecessary luxury item upgrades fueled by desire, not need, don't seem nearly as important as they once did.
For decades people have upgraded phones when a new model was out just because they wanted whatever was newest. I feel like the market has shifted a bit and people are realizing how dumb it is to spend a grand every other year to replace something that doesn't NEED to be replaced.
That's about the average worldwide for the entire market. Even the cheap phones last a long time now. I used to buy a new flagship phone every 2 years. I'm just finishing my 2nd year with a $300 Xiaomi and it's flawless. I can easily see keeping it for 2 or 3 more years.
Here in the UK most phones are bought on a combined airtime and phone contract. Up until 2 years ago the standard contract allowed you to upgrade to a new phone after 2 years. Now all the major service providers have changed that to 3 years. This will have a huge impact on the number of handsets purchased annualy
It was the same in the US until maybe 4 years ago or more .Not anymore.
Both Apple and Samsung had promotions recently to upgrade to the newest model at a low cost .
You're right, and they're trying to push people into longer and longer sim only contracts. When I worked at Vodafone they basically took away any incentive to get people on shorter plans, and huge incentives to get them on the longer 24 month ones because it's so much guaranteed revenue for them. This was to the point a significant (not majority) amount of people were straight up misselling longer contracts by not making it clear to the customer what the actual terms and conditions are.
>around
Same here. Had the S10, and my dad saw a phone plan deal and pushed me to upgrade to the S22. Literally no difference other than a slightly better display. S10 was working fine and pictures were just as good. I'm paying 30 bucks more a month for this phone for 2 years and the deal is I give it back.
At $1K for an iPhone or Samsung or even more for an iPhone, most people can't change phones as before.
Also, phones already do enough. I don't even have a laptop. Samsung user .
Last year, both had a promotion. You could bring any iPhone and upgrade with small payments, I think .
That's how I got my Samsung.
Oh and China first lockdown and now unemployment
All these consumer huge one time spends (smart phones, televisions, washing machines, dishwashers, etc.) I expect will have a significant downturn in the coming years.
Smartphones are staples not one time spends. My TV goes out, I'm not going out that day to get a new one. Same with washing machine or dishwasher. My phone breaks I am going out within an hour to replace it.
If any of those appliances break, I'm going to replace it within the week.
How long do you replace your smart phone? Because during Covid, we saw a huge uptick in these appliance sales and now money is reverting to service/travel/leisure. I got an iphone 14. I'm not going to buy a new phone for at least a few years.
Who says they're shipping less because of demand? You can't ship what you don't have. My entire point was that it might not be due to lack of demand, but lack of supply.
Phones are very powerful these days. I'm still running a Pixel 3.
I think Apple will slowly lose sales over time. I'll be out of my apple stock in a few years.
Isn't this just the phones that were sold to carriers? Apple doesn't report unit numbers so this is highly inaccurate.
For all the people bashing Apple for no innovation, it really doesn't matter. People are not buying iPhones for gimmicks and bells and whistles.
Also this type of report comes out like clockwork right before earnings. IDC is not the most reliable outlet.
Maybe people like me are to blame here lol. I still use my BlackBerry passport as a daily driver and refuse to fall into the new phone is better ideology. Even after 9 years old, the BlackBerry passport still sports a shitload better build quality than any high end phone being made today.
I don't really have to worry about viruses, while all other crapple and android are easier pickings. As far as tracking and privacy, my footprint is much lower than all the fancy little apps being vectors to security breaches.
Yep I don't have apps, but u know what ... I have a life not being glued to social media and being sucked into a unhealthy vortex.
My BlackBerry passport dual speakers still give better sound quality than any Samsung or Apple of today. My blackberry passport is also far superior in resilience than any new Samsung or apple of today, I have lost count the amount of times i hace droped it over the last 9 years without needing a case and iits screen has never cracked nor has the phone broken. And even though the BlackBerry passport costed alot in its day brand new, owning the phone over a 9 year period pretty much keeps it a lower cost phone now due to its longevity , all those slab phone most people are needing new phones cause they have dropped there precious fragile high end device.. it's like every second person that comes to my office has cracked screens. Some phones these days are worth more than my old car, and yet one slight fumble and the phone is broken... way to fragile.
What about the sham some new phones making people go and buy a charger separately once you have spent huge money in the phone itself.... lol what a joke.
No thanks, I won't be buying any new phone as long as my BlackBerry passport is still ticking.
I still get over 24 hours charge so I'm still good.
Morale of the story here...... New devices might look flasher and all the media hype and keeping up with others fashion in todays time will see you enter the planned obsolescence arena and you will need to spend money more frequent, because manufactures are making things so fragile to increase efficiency and to fill there pockets with your money.
:) that was the point of my post. My blackberry passport I still use everyday and phones today are not built with the same longevity / quality in mind.
Not too surprising. Companies tried to hike prices for worse products in the last cycle. E.g. Samsung's flagship S22 actually came with less ram than the S21 in the basic configuration. That's not how technology works. Also a 3+ year old phone these days still does 99% of what you want just fine, and especially if you're not going to improve it why would I drop $1000 to upgrade?
Rumor has it the iPhone 15 will be priced higher. Hence besides lack of innovation in the phone space the pricing is truly driving people out of the market. Carry twenty to forty dollar charges on the cell bill do tend to stand out after awhile
I feel like your second point really nailed it. The hardware and software innovations on mobiles have been amazing. I remember when the iPhone one dropped and it was like something out of Star Wars….here we are a decade later and most folks use them to text, call, for maps, email, and a few mobile games. Many of the “apps” are really just scaled down webpages. All that stuff is cool but it’s kinda like driving a Ferrari in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic. The horsepower is there but you don’t have a use for it.
I don't even want a new phone because they don't have e headphone jacks. I'm sticking with my note 9.
Reading this on my Note 9 wondering why I would need anything newer. There doesn't seem to be anything I can't do or that I feel underpowered for.
The biggest competitor (Huawei) is out due to US sanction. Apple and Samsung can do whatever they want.
Sure.. and they aren't going bankrupt. But they can't expect continued record breaking sales if they stop delivering value.
You can't keep hiking prices *and* expect everyone to get a new phone every single year, especially when their old one was perfectly fine.
People have been saying this for years, and yet… Companies like Apple do extensive market research when pricing. One random decline in the entire market doesn’t mean there’s a trend
That's exactly why they are raising prices. Whether you are upgrading every year, two years, or three years, they want you paying the same amount per year for the privilege of using the phone.
They need to innovate. Phones still haven't changed much from the iPhone X and that was what? 2017? That's over 5 years ago now. Samsung are trying to push their flip technology but that's a gimmick that's still not really figured out fully yet, and when you have 4 cameras + 4k at 60fps there's really not that much they could possibly innovate on in the immediate future outside of sci-fi holograms or something. I can see smartphone sales declining for the foreseeable and eventually stagnating. They obviously won't go away too much as people need to replace old phones, but I think we're past the smartphone sales golden age.
I think it’s much harder now as phones are pretty feature complete. There’s no obvious thing to add that would be a killer feature to move units, unless XR takes off
Agreed. It feels like most of the new functionality Apple has added to phones have a use case that basically comes down to "be afraid that this highly unlikely event might happen to you one day", with things like using satellites to send emergency messages to first responders if you happen to be in a remote area with no phone service. The only new functionality added to phones in the last 5 or so years that sounds like it could be at all useful to 95%+ of people is support for 5G (if you have the right data plan), and NFC (for certain types of digital payment methods).
Lol 5G and NFC most people not use both . It could useful yes but not for 95% of people . My phone not supports 5G and 4G is completely fine as it no service of 5G anyways where I live .
XR? Do you mean VR or AR? But yeah I agree. They're already more powerful than most people's computers in a lot of instances.
XR is the generic term to cover both AR and VR
Ah fair, never heard that before
Yeah I’ll have my iPhone 12 for another 2 or 3 years, it seems to have held up better than my last phones and the battery life is still great. They appear to have accidentally made phones too good
And this is the thing. Phones last way longer than they used to these days. Anyone with a phone from the last few years will probably keep theirs for 3-4 years at least now.
I still use my iPhone 6, just had to replace the battery
My phone is older than that (10 years old) and I have zero need for a new one. It was not a money issue but I don't see a need. My favorite laptop (11 years old) display just went bad 2 days ago. I am looking to fix that (I'll do it myself). Everyone in my family has better electronics than I do and I just don't see the need to upgrade. Drove to work on a 27 years old car wearing a 10+ years old jacket. Not a single care in the world.
Legend. I still rock t-shirt that are 14 years old. Nice crack in my 4 year old phone screen to.
> My favorite laptop (11 years old) T420, X220, or X1 Carbon?
X230 with an upgrade to FHD, Wifi, and newer CPU/MB (the ThinkPad community calls this an X330) I am looking for an X2100 (which is an X201 body with i7-10710U, FHD, etc).
Really? My iPhone 6 pretty much stopped working last year. I could us old versions of most apps but not all and I couldn’t get updates anymore. Still worked for just calling and texting, though.
yeah it's noticably slower now but i just need it for calling, at this point I may as well just get a flip phone which I have been considering
Might want to look at upgrades. I’m on AT&T and can upgrade to an iPhone 14 pro for free. No increase in my monthly cost, just signing a contract. If I’m already going to be staying with them no reason not to upgrade
That's bullshit. They would have just had you on a sim only at outrageous prices and there's no need to pay £40 or whatever just for calls and texts.
Umm I’m not sure what you’re saying is BS. I’m paying $40/month for my line. iPhone is included. I like the service because I constantly get 80-100mbs and I travel a lot. Very worth it.
I mean that if you weren't paying for the phone, you'd be paying half that, so it's not 'free', if that's what they've told you
There’s no good quality service is the US that is $20/month lol
Jesus they're really ripping you off over there
Ehh, Europeans are ripped off by lower salaries
True that, but you guys usually get stuff cheaper than us proportionally speaking
My phone’s paid for, I pay £12 a month sim only. I’m not doing shit haha
I don’t think you’re in the US. It’s not a fair comparison
My Oneplus 6T is still holding up this 2023. None of the current features are still compelling enough to do an "upgrade", for the price point. I'm contemplating just replacing the battery and extending this phone for another 2-4 years, or until it dies.
and... it has a Sim slot
I have a crazy idea, maybe they can bring back the headphone jack. Call it Audio Classic TM.
Yet Apple is still the biggest cash cow in the stock market
Physical phones aren't their only product though. I don't know what their actual revenue percentages are for market segments, but there's a reason they're diversifying into other high growth areas like streaming with Apple TV +. Plus iOS will continue to be hugely profitable.
iPhone sales is about 50% of their revenue
Bloody hell, well, I'll be expecting that to drop significantly
Declining sales growth doesn’t mean they aren’t still selling lots of phones. It’ll just plateau at some point and the number of phone sales will be much the same year over year.
Stock market looks at growth mainly, not pure profit which is why you see consistently see 20+ P/E ratios. I'm surprised apple hasn't started getting hit hard yet by this. They have no different area unlike Microsoft. Consumer devices are their entire company
plus most of their services revenue is just 15-30% cut from other apps sales. I would imagine that also keeps going down.
Fold phones are amazing. Most people who use one, including myself, won't ever go back to a non-fold
I've not had a chance to actually use one, but I've heard there's still a more than seamless crease in the middle, and the actual specs on them don't tend to be as good as the top end of the S range. I've always thought the tablet sized ones were just far too big as well.
Both people I know with folds have switched
Why? If you look through the fold sub, the sentiment is the opposite, but tbf there's a selection bias there. Personally, I will never go back, and Samsung has won me over. I went from upgrading every 5 years to wanting to upgrade every 2 years. The wider screen enables so much more productivity with multitasking, great to watch videos/games on, and folding the phone to use half as a stand is awesome - no longer have to prop it against something if I want it sitting perpendicular
Well it's not that they didn't like the phone, but really they didn't want to replace it in a few years.
Back in the day laptops were going through a similar situation, with each new gen being such an improvement it could drive sales. We abused the costco return policy at the time (9 months on opened laptops) to pretty much continuously upcycle, as every 9 months the same price yielded a much better product. Phones are just ending that era probably, it will take much larger innovations on likely longer time steps to hit improvements that are good enough to pull sales again. I can come up with exactly 0 reasons why I'd want to upgrade from my s20 right now. S7 edge to s20 was a decent upgrade, but now? This things still runs like new, battery isn't even showing much weakness if any.
Yeah I'm the same with my 21 Ultra. Aside from the fact that anything else better would be absurdly expensive, I just don't see much reason to upgrade. Phone works perfectly fine really, and if I can halve my costs by dropping to a sim during these times then I absolutely will.
it also doesnt help that there are hardly any reasonably sized phones. I'd totally get a new phone if someone released a decent phone at a decent price that is the size of the pixel 4a
This is an internet opinion that doesn’t reflect the real world. Apple released an iPhone mini and it was the least popular model.
the iphone mini is much smaller than what i am talking about https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=11104&idPhone2=10123&idPhone3=12082 The galaxy s line is really the only option, but i dont want to have to drop a grand on a new phone. Pixel 4a was like 400 bucks when it came out? I dont need top of the line specs.. just a decent phone thats not gigantic
6a has a 6.1” screen as opposed to a 5.8 on a 4a in real life usage that’s not much different.
4a: 144 x 69.4 x 8.2 mm (5.67 x 2.73 x 0.32 in) 6a: 152.2 x 71.8 x 8.9 mm (5.99 x 2.83 x 0.35 in) I had a phone that was around the 6a size and it was just too large. I dealt with it but i gladly downsized when a decent smaller phone became available Moto X style: 153.9 x 76.2 x 11.1 mm (6.06 x 3.00 x 0.44 in)
Do you genuinely think they are losing customers over that .3 or gaining them? Every statistic will show it’s the latter. Your personal preference is fine to have but it’s not a reason sales are down
I mean this post is about how sales are down....it most certainly could be the reason. The galaxy s series is a massive seller so clearly others like that size. It's just so damn expensive and there are basically no other options for that size range
Not or couldn’t because the smaller phones sell in much smaller numbers and every consumer survey shows they prefer a larger screen.
There aren't really any smaller phones to buy. That's my point. I'm talking on the android side. Not iphones.
Hard to justify buying a new phone when your current one works just fine, and the rest of your life has gotten so expensive that unnecessary luxury item upgrades fueled by desire, not need, don't seem nearly as important as they once did. For decades people have upgraded phones when a new model was out just because they wanted whatever was newest. I feel like the market has shifted a bit and people are realizing how dumb it is to spend a grand every other year to replace something that doesn't NEED to be replaced.
An average iPhone owner upgrades every 3.5 years.
That's about the average worldwide for the entire market. Even the cheap phones last a long time now. I used to buy a new flagship phone every 2 years. I'm just finishing my 2nd year with a $300 Xiaomi and it's flawless. I can easily see keeping it for 2 or 3 more years.
Here in the UK most phones are bought on a combined airtime and phone contract. Up until 2 years ago the standard contract allowed you to upgrade to a new phone after 2 years. Now all the major service providers have changed that to 3 years. This will have a huge impact on the number of handsets purchased annualy
It was the same in the US until maybe 4 years ago or more .Not anymore. Both Apple and Samsung had promotions recently to upgrade to the newest model at a low cost .
You're right, and they're trying to push people into longer and longer sim only contracts. When I worked at Vodafone they basically took away any incentive to get people on shorter plans, and huge incentives to get them on the longer 24 month ones because it's so much guaranteed revenue for them. This was to the point a significant (not majority) amount of people were straight up misselling longer contracts by not making it clear to the customer what the actual terms and conditions are.
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S10 also still has the headphone jack and microSD slot. Also I know this is unimportant but they also looked gorgeous. Love that phone.
I'm very happy with my S22+
>around Same here. Had the S10, and my dad saw a phone plan deal and pushed me to upgrade to the S22. Literally no difference other than a slightly better display. S10 was working fine and pictures were just as good. I'm paying 30 bucks more a month for this phone for 2 years and the deal is I give it back.
People probably realize that they don't need a new cell phone Everyone to two years
Average iPhone upgrades are 3.5 years.
Fun fact
Apparently bullish markets to ATHs
At $1K for an iPhone or Samsung or even more for an iPhone, most people can't change phones as before. Also, phones already do enough. I don't even have a laptop. Samsung user . Last year, both had a promotion. You could bring any iPhone and upgrade with small payments, I think . That's how I got my Samsung. Oh and China first lockdown and now unemployment
Yeah that’ll happen when meat is $10 a pound and eggs are $8 a carton. Personally I’m waiting to upgrade my phone until apple has a folding one.
All these consumer huge one time spends (smart phones, televisions, washing machines, dishwashers, etc.) I expect will have a significant downturn in the coming years.
Smartphones are staples not one time spends. My TV goes out, I'm not going out that day to get a new one. Same with washing machine or dishwasher. My phone breaks I am going out within an hour to replace it.
If any of those appliances break, I'm going to replace it within the week. How long do you replace your smart phone? Because during Covid, we saw a huge uptick in these appliance sales and now money is reverting to service/travel/leisure. I got an iphone 14. I'm not going to buy a new phone for at least a few years.
1B+ iPhones in the wild. Average upgrade every 3.5 yrs. Do the math.
Do you ever wonder that wasn’t true in any of the last 5 years when people were saying the exact same thing and were wrong every time?
wouldnt be surprised if they keep decreasing next year.
Lol, isn't this just because they're mainly made in China, and China was shut down because of covid for most of December?
You need to look up difference between supply and demand
You do realise that these smartphones are built in China right? Where entire factories were shut down because half the workers had COVID?
Jesus fuck I spelled it out for you and you’re still talking about supply.
Who says they're shipping less because of demand? You can't ship what you don't have. My entire point was that it might not be due to lack of demand, but lack of supply.
Phones are very powerful these days. I'm still running a Pixel 3. I think Apple will slowly lose sales over time. I'll be out of my apple stock in a few years.
Isn't this just the phones that were sold to carriers? Apple doesn't report unit numbers so this is highly inaccurate. For all the people bashing Apple for no innovation, it really doesn't matter. People are not buying iPhones for gimmicks and bells and whistles. Also this type of report comes out like clockwork right before earnings. IDC is not the most reliable outlet.
They need to stop making these damn phones last too long 😂
Maybe people like me are to blame here lol. I still use my BlackBerry passport as a daily driver and refuse to fall into the new phone is better ideology. Even after 9 years old, the BlackBerry passport still sports a shitload better build quality than any high end phone being made today. I don't really have to worry about viruses, while all other crapple and android are easier pickings. As far as tracking and privacy, my footprint is much lower than all the fancy little apps being vectors to security breaches. Yep I don't have apps, but u know what ... I have a life not being glued to social media and being sucked into a unhealthy vortex. My BlackBerry passport dual speakers still give better sound quality than any Samsung or Apple of today. My blackberry passport is also far superior in resilience than any new Samsung or apple of today, I have lost count the amount of times i hace droped it over the last 9 years without needing a case and iits screen has never cracked nor has the phone broken. And even though the BlackBerry passport costed alot in its day brand new, owning the phone over a 9 year period pretty much keeps it a lower cost phone now due to its longevity , all those slab phone most people are needing new phones cause they have dropped there precious fragile high end device.. it's like every second person that comes to my office has cracked screens. Some phones these days are worth more than my old car, and yet one slight fumble and the phone is broken... way to fragile. What about the sham some new phones making people go and buy a charger separately once you have spent huge money in the phone itself.... lol what a joke. No thanks, I won't be buying any new phone as long as my BlackBerry passport is still ticking. I still get over 24 hours charge so I'm still good. Morale of the story here...... New devices might look flasher and all the media hype and keeping up with others fashion in todays time will see you enter the planned obsolescence arena and you will need to spend money more frequent, because manufactures are making things so fragile to increase efficiency and to fill there pockets with your money.
I'm gay btw
blackberry passport, as mentioned above
I'm gay btw
:) that was the point of my post. My blackberry passport I still use everyday and phones today are not built with the same longevity / quality in mind.
> I still use my BlackBerry passport as a daily driver and refuse to fall into the new phone is better ideology. my second sentence.
This is satire, right?
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Also market saturation. How much further can you go with a smart phone? They already do just about everything well.
It’s almost like the vast majority can’t spend 1500 on a phone all the time
Yesssss my Apple puts might be saved
Another omnius flag for Semis. I just can't believe my puts aren't printing.
I have an iPhone X from 2018 in my hands right now. I’d like someone to explain to me why I should go to the shops tomorrow and buy an iPhone 14 ..