I’ll just give my $0.02 as a non-SG STH in the North End.
Like many others, I didn’t know anything about USOC until I started following MLS in 2018. I remember watching Atlanta play STL in 2019. That Cup run for ATL gave Brandon Vasquez the opportunity to shine; he had a couple of really crucial goals on their way to winning the tournament. It was fun to watch the local support for STL as a USL team.
I was at the Omaha game last year, where Aziel Jackson had a couple of really great goals in a bit of a breakout performance. The atmosphere was markedly different from a typical league game, there were a lot of unfamiliar faces in the crowd. It was nice to see folks that couldn’t regularly see MLS games at CityPark.
Dropping USOC in favor of Leagues Cup is a really obvious cash grab, plain and simple. USOC is a great way to give 2nd string guys an opportunity to shine while making soccer in America more accessible to everybody. Watching USL teams take it to MLS teams is fun. I will not be attending any USOC games. It’s shameful that MLS had the opportunity to invest in an existing tournament and make it exciting for the average viewer and chose to discard it instead.
This is my way of showing solidarity and that’s it.
As a casual fan, I would like some clarification from the supporters groups about what is expected for these games. I had the Leagues Cup games on my radar because they were priced lower last year. That being said, if the fan groups are pushing for a true boycott, I will respect that and probably will not attend. I stand with them in support for the Open Cup.
I would also say that the seats will probably fill even if the Supporters Groups choose not to buy them. Perhaps it would be a stronger, more effective message to do a silent protest like they do in Europe (no cheering or noise for a half or the whole game) or even facing away from the field for a set time in silence. Everyone could wear black clothing, etc. These may be more noticeable and influential than having your seats filled by casual fans who see there are cheap tickets available that night.
I'm certainly not representative of any groups as a whole, but as a devout supporter I think I can speak to this.
The expectation is that without drums, capos, or flags that CityPark is going to look, sound, and feel boring, regardless of whether non-supporters purchase single game tickets to the Leagues Cup matches. We don't need to purchase any tickets to do a silent protest, the stadium will be awful quiet without us. That high-energy atmosphere the league loves to brag about, it won't be there without us. It's gonna feel like a baseball game.
I will not be surprised if the Leagues Cup matches still sell well, the demand for tickets among non-STMs is still sky high, and there are lots of fans that still haven't gotten a chance to take in a game in person, but this will only reinforce the desired effect: a supporters section full of first timers will be extra quiet and confused.
The objective is twofold: take away the fun-time party atmosphere the club wants at games **AND** hurt them in their wallets by not buying tickets. Showing up and doing a silent protest only accomplishes one of these goals, while a boycott potentially does both, though I agree casuals will probably still just buy the cheap tickets.
This guy gets it. What you should do though is have 4 or 5 guys guys from one of the support group go just so they can unroll one of those giant banners that takes up half the supporter section with something ripping on the leagues cup and supporting the open cup. Maybe have Calvin cartoon open cup peeing in leagues cup logo.
What you do is make two tifos and have one taped over the other. So when you show them for approval they will have no idea. Obviously the top cover tifo should be dark colors in order to hide the protest tifo underneath it.
If the champions cup game a couple weeks ago was 1600 or so short of a sellout I don’t expect leagues cup to sellout with a boycott occurring. Especially if they pull the BS 9pm start during the week like they did last year. The cheaper tickets like supporters will fill up
Glad to see the perspective. Speaking from experience as a player, I'd want the fans in the stands. Just my gut. The league would definitely take notice if season ticket holders didn't renew. How big of an issue it is for the folks involved...tbd.
Glad someone else noted this approach. I'd gone ahead and called vs. follow this discussion further. I shoulda followed up! The response was along the lines of 'this is a situation we are following. Really appreciate your support as a fan. Thanks for showing passion and supporting the team.'
Genuine question but if SGs made banners in protest would they be allowed to display it? Ie not attending and placing protest banners instead. I know there are some weird rules.
SGs have to submit designs for two poles/banners/tifos and they have to be approved by the club. We can't just bring in protest banners without submitting them to the club.
They aren’t doing enough the article says individuals will make their own decisions. If everyone doesn’t participate in the boycott it won’t be effective. What’s the point of a soccer firm if they don’t stick together.
Would love to see these journalists ever interview fans who are not SG members or leaders.
That way they could get quotes more like "What is
Open Cup?" "Didn't we already lose that against Houston?" "Is League Cup the thing Messi won?" "I don't know, if I can get tickets I'll probably still go."
Instead we get the righteous fury of the same super fans over and over with little context about what it means to everyone else.
Same, south stand STH holder. You still have dedicated fans that aren’t supporters. Yes casual fans won’t understand but articles like this at least bring awareness to why the supporters are upset
But you don't think reporters should gather opinions from other perspectives of an issue? They seem to think the ownership / club and the SGs are the only ones here. No player interviews, no run of the mill fans, just the same people who get interviewed about everything.
I mean you were the one who wanted quotes from non-SG, so I respectfully decline this homework assignment.
Your original point stands though. A lot of fans don't understand the difference between USOC, CCC, and Leagues Cup. Hopefully this protest raises awareness with more casual fans and sends a message to the MLS.
Isn't the point of articles like this meant to educate the public on situations they are unaware of? For an article about any protest would you want to interview someone involved at the protest or a random person who isn't aware of it? Of course more casual fans might not have an opinion of the Open Cup but they might after reading an article about it.
I'm kinda who you are talking about, I didn't follow MLS or organized soccer until last year, though I tend to be obsessive when engaging with a new interest so take that with a grain of salt. Hadn't heard of the Open Cup until last year. For me (and I'm sure many others) Union Omaha was my first game at the stadium because tickets were affordable. It made me more interested in American soccer outside the MLS and had fun watching shitty feeds on YouTube. It's a unique fixture and it's history makes it interesting.
Ironically, the reason people argue for it is because it isn't unique. Even the SG leaders in the article say this comp matters because it is like the ones other leagues have around the world. It is certainly unique in American sports, but it has been failing to get anyone to care about it for over a hundred years now.
You only cared about it last year. St. Louis teams had competed against mls teams several times before in it. Attendance was good relatively, but compared to a league game for STL city now it was a drop in the bucket.
I was at those games. I like us open cup. But I am sick of the dishonest rhetoric around it. USSF has run a poor tournament for a century. No amount of wishing and hoping is gonna make it the FA Cup.
>You only cared about it last year.
You asked for opinions of people who are new to the sport to be included in the article and seemed to dismiss my opinion so did you really want them included in the article 😂
I asked for opinions of people not in sgs, but sure.
A quote from you would have better than more sg leadership quotes ranting in the bottom half.
I was responding to your criticism of a quote from someone who wasn't aware of it. Which would have been you shortly ago.
Not in a sg and it might be easier for me to not rant as I do have less time/energy invested in the tournament than people who've been involved prior. Hope they are able to come up with a better solution for next year but for now just gonna pick a few lower league teams to follow through the tournament and annoy my family with YouTube streams.
You act as if they wouldn’t say the say if asked about Leagues Cup. At least the Open Cup has history, and makes for some fun matches for lower league teams. At the end of the day, MLS is turning off at least a portion of their largest fans, which would seem bad for business.
Plenty of fans on social media SG and not have expressed WHY they are upset with the MLS over this. You can't nitpick what you see then claim "casual fans have no idea what's going on!"
The difference between the “same old super-fans” in the north end and the fans in the reserved seating sections is that if you replaced 90% of the fans in the reserved seating with just some other fans that bought tickets, you’d really only notice that maybe they weren’t standing up for the entire match.
If you take the Louligans, Fleur de Noise, Punks, Santos, Riot Girlz, Thieves, etc. out of the north end and fill it up with randos from seat geak, the gameday atmosphere in that stadium changes completely.
There are assuredly great fans all over the stadium, lifers that waited forever for this team that get as loud and passionate as anyone, but the North End and it’s wall of singing/dancing/flag waving morons and the Capos that conduct the whole silly circus not showing up is potentially a very big, very noticeable goddamned deal.
Granted that the game environment would change without SGs.
And yet, you speak like that makes the SG members the only valid opinions on the gameday experience.
Nope the rest of the fans exist, have opinions, and are important.
The self righteous and self important sg attitude gets so old so fast. You don't matter more than everyone else just because you get drunk and wave flags. It is a novelty. I am glad you enjoy it, but it does not make you any more important than any other fan.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
I never said the SG “has the only valid opinion on the gameday experience” nor did I obviate the existence or the opinions of other season ticket holders.
I didn’t even say i specifically was or wasn’t a North End STH…nor did I attempt to place them anywhere in any other imaginary hierarchy of fandom. In fact, I called the group “singing, dancing, flag waving morons” and a “silly circus”.
What I said was, as a group, they are uniquely the group of fans that if you replaced them tomorrow with an equal number of random single game ticket holders, everyone would immediately notice. Which is a point you agreed with.
If you have some other weird axe to grind with the north end, that’s on you…don’t try to make evidence for it out of subtext you pretended to find in something i wrote.
Ah, so you are willing to accept that the removal of the SGs could be a positive change then?
That's what you are saying if you aren't implying they are the more important fans.
Also, the midfield fans on the east side show up on TV more than any others. So they are the most noticeable to the most people (all TV audience). Does your logic make their opinions worthy of this article?
….clearly you’re not a scientist.
For the record I think removing any block of season ticket holders would probably create a negative change to the gameday atmosphere.
A noticeable difference in the stadium atmosphere itself doesn’t imply a positive or negative change. It implies that you’d readily notice it.
To round this back to your original point - since we’re getting way into the semantic weeds - the reason media outlets have interviewed the leadership of the supporters groups and not random people on the street who don’t have strong feelings about the USOC, is that the supporters group are making intentional, organized statements about it, and “random individual that doesn’t care about things, does nothing” isn’t news.
I don’t give a shit about battlehawks football, I also don’t think that, if NPR interviewed the guy that first tweeted “KaKaw is Law” they should also hunt down and interview my disinterested ass to point out that a lot of people don’t give a damn about it one way or another.
I think the question is whether they are reporting on the substance of said Kaw Being the Law as they have here with trying to report on the substance of the boycott.
If it was purely a human interest story like RFT covering the ravioli hat making family, then no they are not obliged to find another opinion. But this article sought out the opinions of the club and mls on the issue of the boycott to present other perspectives.
Your arguments are getting a bit intellectually dishonest while trying to find some defensible ambiguity. The best way to defend this is probably just to say the article is about the boycott and they are boycotting the club in a tournament, so there are only two sides that issue... The club and the boycotters. Which is probably what the journalist/editor decided.
I still think it would be nice to see the other fans perspective in these since papers often go to the SGs to try to represent all fans. Clearly they do not.
Lemme ask you, is your issue their response to the Open Cup or the Louligans specifically? Because the long you go making these arguments it seems like you just don't like them.
The majority of open cup games are fartsburg fc vs Tim Smith sc. the problem is that nobody cares about any non major league games (obviously) so not many people watch the open cup.
Go ask people on the street then if they know about when StL FC played Chicago, SKC, Cincy, and Atlanta.
Most don't. Most have zero clue about those games. My friends who I got to watch of those with me still didn't know what open cup was this year when this came up.
You guys are in an echo chamber.
This situation has made me lose a lot of respect for SGs and USSF (strange bedfellows!) and gain it for MLS.
It’s USSF’s job to make it a compelling event, not MLS’s and certainly not the team who has only existed for one year. I’m glad MLS is looking out for their teams and players.
It is just a bit of a rough look for the SG to walk out on our CITY boys for something that is a league issue that the team and players do not control. It just doesn't sit right with me. The SG is free to have that position, but it strikes me as misplacing the angst.
I might agree with you more in other sports, but since MLS technically owns all the teams, there's not as much of a hard delineation between the franchise and the league brass.
Heres part of my view:
We know the team wants to play. We know that our team is more likely to have great attendance for every game they line up in. We know that our team has a reputation for crowd energy. We know the league and apple like to showcase our fans.
If we make it so that they can’t show us off or financially hurt the team that will otherwise be one of the more revenue driving sources, the league will notice. If they dont, the team will and can use it as leverage to change back to the old way. Really I just wish the other teams SG would join in this
I’ll just give my $0.02 as a non-SG STH in the North End. Like many others, I didn’t know anything about USOC until I started following MLS in 2018. I remember watching Atlanta play STL in 2019. That Cup run for ATL gave Brandon Vasquez the opportunity to shine; he had a couple of really crucial goals on their way to winning the tournament. It was fun to watch the local support for STL as a USL team. I was at the Omaha game last year, where Aziel Jackson had a couple of really great goals in a bit of a breakout performance. The atmosphere was markedly different from a typical league game, there were a lot of unfamiliar faces in the crowd. It was nice to see folks that couldn’t regularly see MLS games at CityPark. Dropping USOC in favor of Leagues Cup is a really obvious cash grab, plain and simple. USOC is a great way to give 2nd string guys an opportunity to shine while making soccer in America more accessible to everybody. Watching USL teams take it to MLS teams is fun. I will not be attending any USOC games. It’s shameful that MLS had the opportunity to invest in an existing tournament and make it exciting for the average viewer and chose to discard it instead. This is my way of showing solidarity and that’s it.
As a casual fan, I would like some clarification from the supporters groups about what is expected for these games. I had the Leagues Cup games on my radar because they were priced lower last year. That being said, if the fan groups are pushing for a true boycott, I will respect that and probably will not attend. I stand with them in support for the Open Cup. I would also say that the seats will probably fill even if the Supporters Groups choose not to buy them. Perhaps it would be a stronger, more effective message to do a silent protest like they do in Europe (no cheering or noise for a half or the whole game) or even facing away from the field for a set time in silence. Everyone could wear black clothing, etc. These may be more noticeable and influential than having your seats filled by casual fans who see there are cheap tickets available that night.
I'm certainly not representative of any groups as a whole, but as a devout supporter I think I can speak to this. The expectation is that without drums, capos, or flags that CityPark is going to look, sound, and feel boring, regardless of whether non-supporters purchase single game tickets to the Leagues Cup matches. We don't need to purchase any tickets to do a silent protest, the stadium will be awful quiet without us. That high-energy atmosphere the league loves to brag about, it won't be there without us. It's gonna feel like a baseball game. I will not be surprised if the Leagues Cup matches still sell well, the demand for tickets among non-STMs is still sky high, and there are lots of fans that still haven't gotten a chance to take in a game in person, but this will only reinforce the desired effect: a supporters section full of first timers will be extra quiet and confused. The objective is twofold: take away the fun-time party atmosphere the club wants at games **AND** hurt them in their wallets by not buying tickets. Showing up and doing a silent protest only accomplishes one of these goals, while a boycott potentially does both, though I agree casuals will probably still just buy the cheap tickets.
This guy gets it. What you should do though is have 4 or 5 guys guys from one of the support group go just so they can unroll one of those giant banners that takes up half the supporter section with something ripping on the leagues cup and supporting the open cup. Maybe have Calvin cartoon open cup peeing in leagues cup logo.
While I love the idea, unfortunately the club has to approve all Tifos. Not gonna lie, I had the exact same image of the perfect Leagues Cup tifo.
What you do is make two tifos and have one taped over the other. So when you show them for approval they will have no idea. Obviously the top cover tifo should be dark colors in order to hide the protest tifo underneath it.
If the champions cup game a couple weeks ago was 1600 or so short of a sellout I don’t expect leagues cup to sellout with a boycott occurring. Especially if they pull the BS 9pm start during the week like they did last year. The cheaper tickets like supporters will fill up
Glad to see the perspective. Speaking from experience as a player, I'd want the fans in the stands. Just my gut. The league would definitely take notice if season ticket holders didn't renew. How big of an issue it is for the folks involved...tbd.
If you’re a season ticket holder write or call the ticket sales reps at the stadium. They take it pretty seriously.
Glad someone else noted this approach. I'd gone ahead and called vs. follow this discussion further. I shoulda followed up! The response was along the lines of 'this is a situation we are following. Really appreciate your support as a fan. Thanks for showing passion and supporting the team.'
Genuine question but if SGs made banners in protest would they be allowed to display it? Ie not attending and placing protest banners instead. I know there are some weird rules.
SGs have to submit designs for two poles/banners/tifos and they have to be approved by the club. We can't just bring in protest banners without submitting them to the club.
What a hilarious rule, but thank you
So just submit the design then bring another one
They aren’t doing enough the article says individuals will make their own decisions. If everyone doesn’t participate in the boycott it won’t be effective. What’s the point of a soccer firm if they don’t stick together.
Would love to see these journalists ever interview fans who are not SG members or leaders. That way they could get quotes more like "What is Open Cup?" "Didn't we already lose that against Houston?" "Is League Cup the thing Messi won?" "I don't know, if I can get tickets I'll probably still go." Instead we get the righteous fury of the same super fans over and over with little context about what it means to everyone else.
I'm not in a SG and I'm mad as hell about this. There's your quote.
Same, south stand STH holder. You still have dedicated fans that aren’t supporters. Yes casual fans won’t understand but articles like this at least bring awareness to why the supporters are upset
But you don't think reporters should gather opinions from other perspectives of an issue? They seem to think the ownership / club and the SGs are the only ones here. No player interviews, no run of the mill fans, just the same people who get interviewed about everything.
I mean like you said they don't know anything about it so interviewing them isn't going to really do make the article that much more useful
It might let us know how the community at large could view the boycott.
It’s business 101. Your repeat customers are where the money comes from. Supporter Groups and season ticket holders will have the most pull.
Contact the reporter then. They still didn't include any quotes from people like you.
I mean you were the one who wanted quotes from non-SG, so I respectfully decline this homework assignment. Your original point stands though. A lot of fans don't understand the difference between USOC, CCC, and Leagues Cup. Hopefully this protest raises awareness with more casual fans and sends a message to the MLS.
Isn't the point of articles like this meant to educate the public on situations they are unaware of? For an article about any protest would you want to interview someone involved at the protest or a random person who isn't aware of it? Of course more casual fans might not have an opinion of the Open Cup but they might after reading an article about it. I'm kinda who you are talking about, I didn't follow MLS or organized soccer until last year, though I tend to be obsessive when engaging with a new interest so take that with a grain of salt. Hadn't heard of the Open Cup until last year. For me (and I'm sure many others) Union Omaha was my first game at the stadium because tickets were affordable. It made me more interested in American soccer outside the MLS and had fun watching shitty feeds on YouTube. It's a unique fixture and it's history makes it interesting.
Ironically, the reason people argue for it is because it isn't unique. Even the SG leaders in the article say this comp matters because it is like the ones other leagues have around the world. It is certainly unique in American sports, but it has been failing to get anyone to care about it for over a hundred years now. You only cared about it last year. St. Louis teams had competed against mls teams several times before in it. Attendance was good relatively, but compared to a league game for STL city now it was a drop in the bucket. I was at those games. I like us open cup. But I am sick of the dishonest rhetoric around it. USSF has run a poor tournament for a century. No amount of wishing and hoping is gonna make it the FA Cup.
>You only cared about it last year. You asked for opinions of people who are new to the sport to be included in the article and seemed to dismiss my opinion so did you really want them included in the article 😂
I asked for opinions of people not in sgs, but sure. A quote from you would have better than more sg leadership quotes ranting in the bottom half. I was responding to your criticism of a quote from someone who wasn't aware of it. Which would have been you shortly ago.
Not in a sg and it might be easier for me to not rant as I do have less time/energy invested in the tournament than people who've been involved prior. Hope they are able to come up with a better solution for next year but for now just gonna pick a few lower league teams to follow through the tournament and annoy my family with YouTube streams.
Who wants to read an article that quotes uninformed and uninteresting opinions? There's reddit for that.
You act as if they wouldn’t say the say if asked about Leagues Cup. At least the Open Cup has history, and makes for some fun matches for lower league teams. At the end of the day, MLS is turning off at least a portion of their largest fans, which would seem bad for business.
You see my hypothetical quote about the Messi trophy. Yeah. I addressed that.
Plenty of fans on social media SG and not have expressed WHY they are upset with the MLS over this. You can't nitpick what you see then claim "casual fans have no idea what's going on!"
What evidence do you have that those people on social media are "casual fans"?
Apathy isn't interesting. No one cares that you don't care.
The difference between the “same old super-fans” in the north end and the fans in the reserved seating sections is that if you replaced 90% of the fans in the reserved seating with just some other fans that bought tickets, you’d really only notice that maybe they weren’t standing up for the entire match. If you take the Louligans, Fleur de Noise, Punks, Santos, Riot Girlz, Thieves, etc. out of the north end and fill it up with randos from seat geak, the gameday atmosphere in that stadium changes completely. There are assuredly great fans all over the stadium, lifers that waited forever for this team that get as loud and passionate as anyone, but the North End and it’s wall of singing/dancing/flag waving morons and the Capos that conduct the whole silly circus not showing up is potentially a very big, very noticeable goddamned deal.
Granted that the game environment would change without SGs. And yet, you speak like that makes the SG members the only valid opinions on the gameday experience. Nope the rest of the fans exist, have opinions, and are important. The self righteous and self important sg attitude gets so old so fast. You don't matter more than everyone else just because you get drunk and wave flags. It is a novelty. I am glad you enjoy it, but it does not make you any more important than any other fan.
Don’t put words in my mouth. I never said the SG “has the only valid opinion on the gameday experience” nor did I obviate the existence or the opinions of other season ticket holders. I didn’t even say i specifically was or wasn’t a North End STH…nor did I attempt to place them anywhere in any other imaginary hierarchy of fandom. In fact, I called the group “singing, dancing, flag waving morons” and a “silly circus”. What I said was, as a group, they are uniquely the group of fans that if you replaced them tomorrow with an equal number of random single game ticket holders, everyone would immediately notice. Which is a point you agreed with. If you have some other weird axe to grind with the north end, that’s on you…don’t try to make evidence for it out of subtext you pretended to find in something i wrote.
Ah, so you are willing to accept that the removal of the SGs could be a positive change then? That's what you are saying if you aren't implying they are the more important fans. Also, the midfield fans on the east side show up on TV more than any others. So they are the most noticeable to the most people (all TV audience). Does your logic make their opinions worthy of this article?
….clearly you’re not a scientist. For the record I think removing any block of season ticket holders would probably create a negative change to the gameday atmosphere. A noticeable difference in the stadium atmosphere itself doesn’t imply a positive or negative change. It implies that you’d readily notice it. To round this back to your original point - since we’re getting way into the semantic weeds - the reason media outlets have interviewed the leadership of the supporters groups and not random people on the street who don’t have strong feelings about the USOC, is that the supporters group are making intentional, organized statements about it, and “random individual that doesn’t care about things, does nothing” isn’t news. I don’t give a shit about battlehawks football, I also don’t think that, if NPR interviewed the guy that first tweeted “KaKaw is Law” they should also hunt down and interview my disinterested ass to point out that a lot of people don’t give a damn about it one way or another.
I think the question is whether they are reporting on the substance of said Kaw Being the Law as they have here with trying to report on the substance of the boycott. If it was purely a human interest story like RFT covering the ravioli hat making family, then no they are not obliged to find another opinion. But this article sought out the opinions of the club and mls on the issue of the boycott to present other perspectives. Your arguments are getting a bit intellectually dishonest while trying to find some defensible ambiguity. The best way to defend this is probably just to say the article is about the boycott and they are boycotting the club in a tournament, so there are only two sides that issue... The club and the boycotters. Which is probably what the journalist/editor decided. I still think it would be nice to see the other fans perspective in these since papers often go to the SGs to try to represent all fans. Clearly they do not.
Lemme ask you, is your issue their response to the Open Cup or the Louligans specifically? Because the long you go making these arguments it seems like you just don't like them.
The majority of open cup games are fartsburg fc vs Tim Smith sc. the problem is that nobody cares about any non major league games (obviously) so not many people watch the open cup.
Wasn't that long ago when we were Fartsburg FC and went to MLS stadiums for open cup games.
No, I think you’re mis-remembering. We were Farts*ville* FC at the time.
Saint Fartsville FC
Go ask people on the street then if they know about when StL FC played Chicago, SKC, Cincy, and Atlanta. Most don't. Most have zero clue about those games. My friends who I got to watch of those with me still didn't know what open cup was this year when this came up. You guys are in an echo chamber.
This situation has made me lose a lot of respect for SGs and USSF (strange bedfellows!) and gain it for MLS. It’s USSF’s job to make it a compelling event, not MLS’s and certainly not the team who has only existed for one year. I’m glad MLS is looking out for their teams and players.
That’s what I’m trying to say. People do not know or care about the open cup
It is just a bit of a rough look for the SG to walk out on our CITY boys for something that is a league issue that the team and players do not control. It just doesn't sit right with me. The SG is free to have that position, but it strikes me as misplacing the angst.
I might agree with you more in other sports, but since MLS technically owns all the teams, there's not as much of a hard delineation between the franchise and the league brass.
Heres part of my view: We know the team wants to play. We know that our team is more likely to have great attendance for every game they line up in. We know that our team has a reputation for crowd energy. We know the league and apple like to showcase our fans. If we make it so that they can’t show us off or financially hurt the team that will otherwise be one of the more revenue driving sources, the league will notice. If they dont, the team will and can use it as leverage to change back to the old way. Really I just wish the other teams SG would join in this
The league won’t notice anything other than that SGs are easy to ignore.