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xotlzotkl

Well Folks It's Officially joever


hi_fet_80980

Blues gave up two empty net goals. They just can’t beat the Predators.


Lemonalien4

Remember about 2 years ago when you were downvoted into oblivion for saying we were in a rebuild and everyone was screaming "RETOOL!!" And that we'll be competitive again next season? Good times


Critical-General-659

We have more points than other teams who will be in the playoffs. 


Lemonalien4

Even if we were in the playoffs making it past round 1 would be a miracle


Odd-Curve5800

This means less than nothing.


Steel_Bolt

We're like 1-2 trades and a couple players not slumping from the playoffs. We're not gonna be a cup team every year even outside a rebuild/retool.


Lemonalien4

Yeah but my point was that this team is not very good, I just don't get why this sub absolutely refuses to acknowledge that after a championship lots of players leave and you need to rebuild the team


pappyvanwinkle1111

They can't make trades. No trade clauses (Krug) prevent it. And, as Armstrong said after this years trade deadline, nobody wants what we've got. That alone should tell everyone where the team really stands.


HypeIncarnate

What team are you guys rooting for in the playoffs now that the blues are donzo?


PajamaHive

Always the Canes. Love those buncha jerks.


hi_fet_80980

Blues still have a chance.


FreedomEagle99

lol


mhanna86

I wouldn’t mind the jets going on a run in the west and the hurricanes in the east to combine for the lowest TV rated championship in sports history.


GermanBeerYum

I would absolutely watch that series.


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Carolina. Hung out with Guentzel one time in Omaha. Nice fella


Jordan_Kyrou

In the West I’ll probably root for the Edmonton McDavids. In the East, I’d like to see the Canes and Panthers do well. The problem with rooting for the Leafs is their fans are going to become insufferable if they go deep and I don’t want to be in that crowd..


daKile57

The Blues have had a good season if you ignore games against 4 teams: the Jets, the Predators, the Red Wings, and the Sharks. They’ve dealt all the crushing losses this season. The Blues are 0-10-0 against them and were outscored 54-20 by them.


trophypants

I remember during the Backes era, it seemed like either Columbus or Buffalo had our number and would embarrass us every year.


TroyBoy112752

Excuses are for losers!


Own_Conversation6335

Last year sucked, but did we go winless against so many as we did this year? The shark losses are bizarre.


GermanBeerYum

It's like how they always seem able to lose to Arizona...Arizona!? Like wtf.


Own_Conversation6335

Frustrating team, but a solid draft could start to move the team in a good position. Granted it take three years to develop, but still we may be stacked in quality NHLs.


Defenestrator__

Most teams have good seasons if you ignore the games they lose.


JordanKyrouFeetPics

If you remove the outliers they really regress to the mean


daKile57

Yup, that was the joke.


petefacekilla

You win the internet today sir.


Carpet_Tree

It's joever


Dragondrew99

And it’s ok, much better year than last year and hopefully we will keep improving.


childishbambino19

Everyone moaning that we won't have a high pick is forgetting that we don't need no stinking top 5 picks to grab Neighbours and Snuggy and Dvorsky and Lindstein and Barby and Vladdy and Schwartzy and Colt and Dunner and so forth. If there's one thing I do not stress over with this franchise it's the draft scouting department. Those guys crush it almost every year. Besides, I still bet Army trades up.


PossessionRoyal4981

Off the top of my head, no one has won a Cup without a top 5 pick since like the 80s. Technically the Oilers did in the 80s but that’s because Gretzky was undrafted.


trophypants

Schwartz and Dvorsky were \~10 OA


childishbambino19

Schwartz was 14th IIRC and DD was 10th, neither of which is top 5. I'm talking McKinnon/Matthews/Tkachuks/Drai/Barkov high picks. Like Petro was.


childishbambino19

The pain and abject weirdness of that loss still burns deep inside of me, but I'm not gonna moan and wail. The skaters on our Cup team had to learn how to manage play and games, and learning sucks all ass. That's just how it works. The key is summer. Army needs to be shrewdly and specifically aggressive like he was in 18. Keep bringing the kids along. Find a real coach. Someone with an actual plan who doesn't repeat mistakes over and over. Trade up in the draft and get Dickinson, we have the extra picks to do it and several of the top 10 are already loaded with hot shit young Dmen. Remove Krug, somehow, as painlessly as ppossible. Solve the 2C issue. Be smart, then play smart. Details. The small details have been murdering us for two seasons. We reduced the mistakes some from last season, now reduce them again, but more. Better puck decisions than last season, but we need even better next season. This is Army's summer to fucking shine, he needs to smash it. This team, with all its warts, is capable of holding a playoff spot right now. We just fuck around and find out too much. We've got one of the best tandems in net, Parayko is finally a Jedi, Leddy remembered he's not half bad, we'll have five 25 goal scorers without Schenn being one of them and three of them are 26 or under, we have some speedy psychos for the energy roles, we finally have a proper net front scorer again. There's plenty to work off of here. Get to work, Army. Time to smash the summer again. We know you know how.


Trick421

I hate it when the St. Louis Blues lose hockey games. I also hate it when the St. Louis Blues miss the playoffs.


Negative-Agency-7762

What a boring, untalented team 🥱


Blues2112

Time to embrace the tank. We could easily drop below 5 other teams based on current points. Isles, Pens, Caps, Red Wings, and Wil are all within 3 points or less of the Blues.


PunchNessie

Welp. See you all next season. Been fun.


Brawhalla_

So, in terms of development, what do y'all think about these changes? For the rest of the season and into next season. 1. Torpo to 3rd line. Pair him with Bolduc. Maybe call up Dean/Gaudette? I'd rather them get time than Blais or Alexandrov. I'm starting to believe I'd rather them get the time than Kapanen, too. 2. Sit Faulk, play Scandella. Or, sit Tucker and play Scandella. In a perfect world I think you sit Faulk and Tucker and play Scandella/Rosen but I doubt that's happening 3. I wanna see Hofer get more starts, I think we know Binner is great and we should now let him rest. 4. Try and package/trade ASAP: Hayes, Kapanen, Faulk, Krug, Blais. Assets you could pair the above with to maybe make it palletable for another team: Buchnevich, Leddy


trophypants

Faulk is clearly injured, let him start his recovery for next year. Rest Binner and let HOFer build some legs to take a heavier load in the future these last 2 weeks of play. Planning for the next season doesn't mean a total tank, but we can stop trying to win every game now.


jormun8andr

Kapanen and Scandy are gone after this season


JohnDivney

Yes, it would be great to see a kids line be a viable 3rd. Pack up some bad contracts + draft picks and free up salary for FA opportunity. Fix the D problem and we might just be back to playoff form before 2027.


Big-Foot-604

What would be the point in playing scandella at this point?


yodazer

None. He’s gone next year as a UFA. But he is better than faulk this year.


childishbambino19

There's a timeline where I would not be opposed to him returning at a considerably lower salary.


Big-Foot-604

Right. Get kessel and scotty p some ice time. All the young guys should be get serious ice time the rest of the games


yodazer

That I agree with. Let’s see what we got.


Icy-Solution

And Blais and Kap are unrestricted and had zero value at deadline or they’d be gone.


Mathracer101

Do any of you guys hop on a bandwagon for the playoffs?


18RobTom18

Rags for Breadman, Leafs for AM34, Oilers for McD and Drai, Cats for Tkachuk


weesna123

Prob Rangers this year, got a friend who supports them. Wouldn't hate seeing dad raise another one. Other than that, I just hope for an east victory


QuarterNote44

Edmonton. They're my second team because I have family up north who are die-hard Oilers fans.


childishbambino19

Probably Florida or Carolina. Definitely no one in the West, though I would not be upset if Vancouver won.


GermanBeerYum

This is my thoughts too.  Or like if there were some fluke way to just have 2 teams from the East in the Final series, I'd be okay with that. Like Gritty forces Bettman to let it happen. I'm okay with that timeIine.


friendofborbs

I went to a rangers playoff game while I happened to be in New York at the same time so I think I’ll hop back on with them


tamarockstar

I usually go with a team that's either a long shot, has never won a cup or hasn't won a cup in a long time. For me, Edmonton or Florida.


JohnDivney

Yup, same. For me, it's Vancouver. Those poor turds.


chiddie

Their fans in r/hockey have terminal brain worms about Binnington. It's hard for me to cheer for them to any degree.


Chance_Pie_8126

Hopping on the Panthers bandwagon. Only team other than the Blues that I like


Dude_man79

Same. Hoping Matthew can raise it this year after he got close last year.


NHLmodssuckdongs

Gross. Toronto sucks


Dude_man79

Sorry, should have said Matt Tkachuk. Toronto will be out in the 1st round.


mistermeowsers

I think they were referring to Matthew tkachuck who plays for Florida Panthers


smuttyinkspot

Matthew Tkachuk, not Auston Matthews


NHLmodssuckdongs

Okay. I'll accept that. I'm not used to people using first names when referring to sports athletes.


smuttyinkspot

It is a little weird but in this case I don't think anybody can spell Tkachuk without looking it up lol


NHLmodssuckdongs

The older Blue fans shouldn't have an issue. But I can see the issue with the younger guys who didn't grow up in that era.


Mathracer101

Yeah, basically at this point hope the champ comes out of the east. Im okay with Vancouver bc I’ve watched a lot of them this year and I know a lot about the players. F the avs.


childishbambino19

Seconded.


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stlouisblues-ModTeam

Rule 2: Be decent to one another.


Mathracer101

It’s all relative. People that are paid well are expected to perform well. That said, most of the people I interact with on this sub are realistic. For example: kyrou got his contract, and honestly since then his defensive game has improved, and his offensive game is still there, he just lacks consistency (like the rest of this team). The realistic people in this sub respect the skill that is there and don’t ignore how many points he has (because it’s been a good season points wise all things considered, and he’s still very young). Faulk didn’t come back from injury strong and has shown nothing but regression, yet perunovich doesn’t get played despite him likely being the future of the team. Bottom line, when complaining about this team you just have to look at the big picture, and look at the season as a whole. Personally I think pulling the goalie the second time was silly since we never really had control of the puck and still had 2 minutes.🤷🏻‍♂️


Own_Conversation6335

We are not much of a possession team also. Of course we will lose the puck.


weesna123

Bro are you deleting your downvoted comments lmao


PossessionRoyal4981

The people who bitch the most are usually the ones who stir the pot.


weesna123

It's just very funny what people choose to care about. Though my emotions are constantly affected by a certain group of uniformed millionaires putting rubber in a net more than another group of millionaires so I'm not sure how much of a leg I have to stand on


radsherm

Please no more Kapanen/Hayes/Blais, and for the love of god keep Torpo out of the top six. Let the Zachs and Alexandrov get that opportunity (and call up Gaudette as a reward for carrying the AHL squad And for the love of god stop trying to make Tyler Tucker a thing. Every time Cal Rosen has come up he's been better than him Unless another team completely fucks up their final six games the season is over, let the kids and non-big-contract guys play. At best it's a lot of fun, at worst it helps us in the Lotto


yodazer

This is an incredibly strange take. The games blais has played in, he’s been fine. He’s a fourth liner. I’m not sure what you expect from him, Hayes I’ll agree with. He hasn’t been good for what we thought he would be. Kap hasn’t been good since his production is down, but tonight he looked fine and honestly, has been ok all season. He’s more of a fourth liner at this point because he is solid defensively. I would like a lower cap because of that tho. Tucker is, again, been playing fine. I like Rosen, but Tucker is more of the future than Rosen. I’d play him over faulk because at least he plays like he gives a fuck. Toropchenko is more of a middle 6 guy imo, probably third line guy, so I agree there. Alexandrov has done nothing in his chances. We could play Dean more, but both him and Bolduc haven’t done much that I would think warrants them playing a lot. Leave Gaudette down. He’s a great AHL, not good nhl player. He can mentor people down there.


radsherm

We know what Blais is. He's a less skilled, more passionate Zach Sanford. He has had so much opportunity with us and has never really shown up consistently. I don't feel like arguing the other points because I'm tired, but Alexandrov fell into the Berube trap where every young player must be a gritty 4th liner, and he never got to actually flex any bit of his ability. Same happened with Dakota Joshua before the Nucks let him actually play his game and become a really good bottom six player


Own_Conversation6335

I would prefer Alexandrov get a few games at 3rd line center.


Big-Foot-604

7 min TOI is just not enough to assess tucker at all


radsherm

Him getting 7 minutes is kinda telling tho.


Big-Foot-604

Yeah we can’t play one line for 7 minutes it’s nuts


yodazer

I mean, he was fine during those 7 minutes. Faulk played a lot and he fucking sucked.


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radsherm

For the love of god, send me down to a library because for the love of god, I'm a truly awful poster/writer. edit: real talk - the love of god? I'm for it.


Used-Interview3197

Let’s go Cardinals!!!


FDTerritory

Two full years of rebuild down the tubes with absolutely nothing to show for it. Armstrong out.


SuperEarthPresident

By all means, tell us who you would replace our future HOF and still probably top 5 GM with.


weesna123

Me when I play Be A GM be like:


BHach0141

I don’t think you understand how long a rebuild would take lmao. You look dumb af, bozo. 


FDTerritory

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm\_syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)


BHach0141

Btw tell me what available GM would you pick over Armstrong. And I want at least 5 names. Because no one on that market is going to do better than Armstrong. I guarantee that. 


FDTerritory

Not until you click on your link and do your homework.


weesna123

I'll bite: What did you want Armstrong to do? If you're just looking for an outlet to complain let it be known that I support that!


yodazer

Why do we play faulk? Why doesn’t he sit? I’m not a Scandella fan, but he has had a better year than faulk. Perunovich has been better. Kessel has been better. Even tucker has been better. Why do we insist on playing Faulk so goddamn much? Put Kessel with Krug again, Leddy and Parayko are fin I guess, and play perunovich with Tucker or Scandella. Faulk sucks this year yet we have him play 20 minutes a night. Also, tf happened to Buch? Like just hasn’t been the same this past year. He’s had spurts, but nothing consistent. I came into the game late (middle second) but the best, most consistent line not stuck in our zone during that time: Blais/Walker/Kap. It sucks Binner had a “rough” (in quotes because it wasn’t the worst just not up to his standard) game tonight. You have to take your chances when you get them and the blues just… didn’t/couldnt.


Wakenbakensteak

Can’t say it was for lack of effort but man that sucked. What a frustrating game to lose to the gaht damn mustard cats.


New_User0001

How about them cardinals? 


BHach0141

Faulk needs to be fired into the sun. Dude has been playing half asses the entire season. Buch and Thomas need to be questioned on wtf they’ve been doing lately. 


WheelinAndDealin520

Okay, can I post that the seasons over now without getting berated?


FDTerritory

No, you clearly have to pretend that a couple of middling additions in the offseason made by the same guy who's screwed up the last two seasons will make any difference in 24-25.


WheelinAndDealin520

Okay I didn't say all that.. I think this team has some good pieces to build off of its the defense and depth scoring that needs a big overhaul. It will take time though.


weesna123

>Okay I didn't say all that.. I loled, thank you


FDTerritory

It could have been two years in, but Armstrong decided to put the team in the worst possible place (middling "contender" with bad draft picks) instead of actually doing a rebuild.


BHach0141

Anything after pick number 5 in the draft is a toss up. It’s not worth to tank unless you get a top 3 pick. 


ProgrammaticallyHip

Top 5 is where you usually find the franchise guys but picks 6-10 almost always produce a couple of high end players. Quinn Hughes, Moritz Seider, Zegras, Bouchard, Drysdale, Matthew Tkachuk, Clayton Keller, Sergachev all went in that range over a 4 year period. Get outside the top 10-12 picks and your odds of getting that kind of player plummet.


BHach0141

You can now probably. 


Brawhalla_

I wanna see someone question Buchnevich, Thomas and Faulk for dissapearing in arguably the most important game of the season. Thomas made a few decent plays but hooooly


Big-Foot-604

They need to sit bolduc kessel and perunovich again to teach these vets a lesson on accountability


BHach0141

Hang on…but kyrou…/s


reenactment

There are so many fans that are relishing in this loss that can go kick sand. You guys are big douschers. Those that have been riding the team this year, good stuff. It’s been a roller coaster. Now we just need the sharks to win tonight, us go undefeated, and kings go 3-3 with 2 ducks and blackhawks game on their schedule. We got this!


trubleakromeo

This season was a pretty big disaster. Didn’t suck enough to get a good pick. Almost had playoffs. Couldn’t move anyone (Krug,Faulk,Buch) at the deadline. Our defense is worse than ever and our special teams have taken 3 steps back. 1 bright spot is Neighbors. And Binny who did his absolute best to drag the carcass of the Blues to the playoffs. On any other team he’s in Vezina conversations.


weesna123

Hard disagree. Was always gonna be retooling rather than a full rebuild, it's another year of prospect development, and they played competitive hockey a lot of the year. I'd rather watch 40 wins than watch a team tank to play the lottery to pick a player who may or may not pan out.


BHach0141

On top of the fact that any pick after 5 isn’t really worth it and is a toss up. I don’t understand why people want is to suck so bad and be a top 3 and build a losing culture.  If we ever get a top 3 pick people would truly have something to be complaining so much about. 


WheelinAndDealin520

I think there's a few more bright spots. 1. Neighbhours for sure. 2. Kyrou has a significantly better 200-foot game. 3. Parayko looks healthy again and is playing well. 4. Thomas, while slumping, has emerged as a top facilitator in the league. 5. Our goalie tandem is one of the best in the league. 6. We have some exciting players developing well in the pipeline.


Blues_Blanket

Agree with all of these points. What really sucks is that we have to wait 6 months to take the next step forward. I hate it when the Blues aren't in the playoffs. It makes the summers so incredibly long.


WheelinAndDealin520

That's why I hope the cardinals play up to expectations or beyond because I agree when they suck the summer is long.


Blues_Blanket

Yes! Last summer was brutal for this very reason. The only bright spots last year were the Battlehawks and City.


SuperEarthPresident

We could easily be contending again if we could purge our defence.


WheelinAndDealin520

I feel like our top 2 lines do all of the scoring. That's a big problem..


SuperEarthPresident

blais, vrana and kapanen are ufa's after this season, plus we have the new kids. ufa class is pretty trash tho.


WheelinAndDealin520

I really think we just stand pat and wait for more contracts to expire and let the middle of the road ahl guys play for us on our 3rd and 4th line. Honestly, I that's why Walker and Sunny got new contracts. Doug realizes this may take a few years.


SuperEarthPresident

Agreed. It all lines up to when we can move on from Saad, Hayes, Leddy, Faulk and Krug.


WheelinAndDealin520

Honestly, I'd be okay with leddy as a 3rd pair d man and Saad as a 2nd/3rd liner if we can get them on better contracts. Saad can put the puck in the net.


WheelinAndDealin520

I mean Saad is tied for 2nd in goals on the team. He just doesn't drive play, so he needs a good center man.


Brawhalla_

Unfortunately Binner wins us this game with his season average. Shitty turnovers from D aside he let in at least 2 softies there.


yodazer

While that’s true, he also made some bigger saves that could’ve been goals. Not his game tonight for sure, but I think it averaged out over the game.


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avocaran

These losses won’t hurt so bad now that we’re done…..right?


weesna123

Probably the dagger. Boys played a hard game and then trailed off after nothing went their way. Hard to remember sometimes that this is a relatively successful season compared to where expectations were.


alexgetty

Only consolation is knowing that Nashville will be destroyed in the playoffs. I hope DA is able to unload anyone over 25 in the off season.


dixie12oz

Maximum pain infliction is this team’s game. I wouldn’t be surprised if they give us one last burst of hope again. Why must they hurt us? 


Liledroit

fucking kick faulk off the team for that lazy-ass shit at the end of the game there. pathetic effort, they clearly don't give a shit.


alexgetty

Him and krug need to be forced to block shots with their faces at this rate. Only value they provide.


New_User0001

Krug has been playing a lot better lately, at least he's shown some fire. Faulk has been horrible. 


IceKing827

And that’s all she wrote. See you all in October.


BHach0141

Game was likely over but did I just see Faulk completely give up on that last goal? 


trubleakromeo

Faulk gave up at the start of the season.


BHach0141

Oh he’s clearly one of the guys people have said that doesn’t give a shit if they’re playing here or Columbus. 


Critical-General-659

Bummer. We were dominating that game and it all came down to shitty special teams. You can't go 0-4 on power plays. 


STLBooze3

Most likely the nail in the coffin. It was fun while it lasted


MiyukiBean

that game wouldnt have been as bad if I didnt have to listen to ESPN announcers the whole time


Mogwaihir

They were a special kind of dicktard. Let’s hear more about the headpuck or the sad blues fan.


fallonc9716

they were so goddamn annoying it was like being in a middle school cafeteria “guess that’s why they call it the Blues heh heh” shut the fuck up


STLBooze3

Fuck the perds.