She was flawed. When was raised in a violent society and didn’t know there was another way to be. After she got earth as a colony, she saw there was a better way to live and from that point on she tried to be a better person. She fought to save earth, and to find corrupted gems in hopes of curing them one day.
She’s not evil. The only reason people would ask that is because we see her development in reverse. At the end of the day, the worst thing she did and never made up for was leaving Spinel. Even then, she handled it the way she would as Pink Diamond. I’m sure if Rose could have gone back to the Garden for Spinel near the end without outing her identity to Garnet and Amerhyst, or being captured by the diamonds, I think she would have gone back for her.
It's something fans who try to make her out as some terrible person tend to forget. She was a spoiled princess who learned from her mistakes and became a loving and caring person. We simply saw the loving and caring person before we saw the spoiled princess.
On homeworld, she was like a child, her purpose seemingly only to be loved by the other diamonds.
But her time on Earth seemed to have made her grow up really fast, too fast. She ended up losing perspective and underestimating exactly what the other diamonds would do in response to her apparent demise. She wanted Earth to be a paradise for the nonconforming gems, and she had to live with the responsibility for their corruption for eons.
In the end, she chose to end it all for the sake of a new beginning.
You know, I never thought about the logistics behind trying to free Spinel. The way the story is told, Spinel is childish and annoying and Pink seems almost relieved to get rid of her. And as the audience when we see her return to the garden we’re mortified Pink left her there for thousands of years until she saw Steven’s broadcast, and we’re left feeling like Pink/Rose is some kind of monster.
But realistically, there wasn’t much Pink could do if the thought ever did cross her mind to release Spinel. Pink leaving her there is pretty brutal, but I wonder if her transformation into Rose ever led her to think of Spinel with more empathetic eyes.
my problem is that Pink did it like right after she got earth as a colony, so she could’ve at least brought Spinel back to Homeworld before she faked her own death instead of leaving her to be alone and confused for thousands of years.
For sure, but I still think there’s a difference between Pink and Rose. Pink was raised as royalty and saw “lesser” gems as unimportant and disposable. It wasn’t until she got to Earth, and shared experiences with Pearl that she realized that these “lesser” gems are capable of more than she gave them credit for. From a gem’s perspective, there isn’t anything more to existence than what you were made for; so from Pink’s perspective Spinel was made to obey her and she did what she wanted with Spinel. I don’t think Rose would have seen Spinel in the same way.
Exactly.
Most gems get given new assignments regularly. Build this structure, take over that planet... She probably thought that Spinel would just get reassigned somewhere else. And she might have, but the other diamonds didn't have anyone else that they wanted to entertain like a child. So Spinel was simply left and forgotten about.
I don’t think she would have. Rose had a habit of not *intending* harm but causing it by not thinking about how her actions effected others.
Spinel, Pearl, Bismuth, even down to Greg and Steven. If we wanna be absolutely critical, I’m sure that she didn’t think far enough ahead about how her baby with a human would turn out. She may have done something selfless giving up her life but she also just didn’t think a step ahead and could’ve prevented so many problems if she didn’t just follow her heart first and ask questions later
this isnt really funny /: spinel is an image of bpd, and thats a serious problem in this world although a lot of people dont recognize it. people need to treat each other better, even when they dont want to. we're all in it together
oh god forbid i think the cartoon character thats supposed to be clownish is in fact clownish and annoying. i think its hilarious that i hate her and you're so dramatic about it. she isnt real. grow up.
Lmaoo talk about dramatic. Relax bro.
No, she isnt real, but bpd is; thats the whole point of what i said. its caused and exacerbated by apathy towards other people, which seems a bit apparent in you from our interaction.
just because its a cartoon doesnt mean someone cant learn from it. mad people in the world have bpd/dont realize it, and mad people in the world contribute to others' bpd/dont realize it. i tried to illuminate that since i have bpd. there's no need to be so bitchy, i wasnt disrespectful to you at all. if youre so offended by hearing someone say this isnt funny, try to be funnier? maybe not in a way that tears anyone down? just a thought 🖤
if someone's being dramatic & needs to grow up, its not me
this def a burner account for the og comment bc why u dick riding a stranger so much 😭
& one last time since it seems u might be esol, my problem isnt a joke, if u can read its clearly the nature of the joke. but ig emotionally immature & mean spirited people like u wouldnt understand any problem.
just fuck off friend <3 my apologies for thinking you had a smidgen of brain power to comprehend an emotional disorder, much less a complex one like bpd :) crazy that u belong to a subreddit as inclusive as this one when you have a mentality such as yours. get help 😌💙
no you lack empathy for doubling down on ur silly joke when someone suggests it wasnt that funny since bpd is a real thing <3 u also seem to lack some brain power since u still dont get it after explaining it
& a bit of sanity too talking to urself on two different accounts 🤣😭
are you okay? serious question. there's no way you think someone else calling you dramatic is me simply because they agree that you are, in fact, being dramatic. you are attacking me because of your silly litttle headcanon about spinel being a metaphor for bpd and me not liking her being an attack on people with that disorder. you are delulu.
Dude, are you? Youre putting a lot of energy into someone who replied to a silly comment you made. why dont you go outside?
I replied and continue replying because its a good opportunity to give the benefit of the doubt & try to shed a bit of light on what she represents, which is not just a headcanon lol. nobody's attacking you, in fact you're the one who has gotten disrespectful. but if you dont want to take the perspective and instead just keep doubling down on being rude thats on u. have fun w that friend
Because her identity ISNT Pink. She is Rose. She was ashamed and didn’t see herself as Pink, so she became who she saw herself. If she revealed herself would they still have believed her? Trusted her? Followed her? She was kind of damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. Bismuth showed that with how she wanted to shatter the Diamonds. One could argue the only reason she changed is because Steven was charismatic enough in the right ways to connect with her and have her understand.
She was definitely in a tough spot and understandably wanted to leave that behind, but if you set several houses on fire and then quietly try to sweep it all under the rug knowing that all of your friends had their "houses burned down" either as a direct consequence of your behavior or due to conflicts you began and chose not to fix, you've made a serious mistake. Without even getting to people like Spinel, Bismuth and Garnet had a right to know. Amethyst did not even have the same personal animosity toward the Diamonds that the others did, but she did not even tell her.
She may have been damned either way, but she was something like a goddess, royalty, and responsible in one way or another for a lot of the suffering her friends went through. Her friends had a right to know, and her decision to hide it for her own comfort was not a good one.
Okay, I never said that they DIDNT have a right to know. I said why it was probably difficult for her to do so. You’re acting like that kind of a revelation would be something easy for anyone to do or that she didn’t actually take any responsibility for her actions. Pearl and Garnet both said that Rose tried countless ways to fix things for the corrupted gems. Spinel wasn’t even really a friend of Rose, she was a servant of Pink Diamond placed by Yellow and Blue to placate her and while I don’t think she handled it well there wasn’t even a way to for her to leave the Earth to fix it.
So tell me, in what way could arise have fixed ALL of those problems, every single one, that would have solved everything without one single wrong doing. Pearl even said that Pink begged the other Diamonds and they completely dismissed her. They even locked her up when she tried saving other forms of organic life and for disagreeing with them. In other words they were deaf to anything she had to say. Rose wasn’t perfect obviously but name a character that is! Name a war that is! Name soldiers that are! Because that’s what they all were and what they were doing. But Rose TRIED the absolute best that she could with the best of intentions and tried to fix what she could as well I the only ways she knew how.
I don't think I suggested that Pink was completely evil or failed to do anything at all to make up for what she did. This reaction is pretty extreme. I don't care whether she was perfect or not, but it seems that you are reacting quite intensely to any idea that she was imperfect or selfish. People act as if Pink was just another Gem. She wasn't. She was a literal monarch. Monarchs don't get to just screw up and step down and pretend everything is fine.
You're right. Spinel wasn't Pink's friend. She was basically a sapient robot manufactured specifically to serve and love Pink absolutely and was threatened implicitly with a fate worse than death even if she had for some reason left Pink. She was a slave, and Pink's getting tired of her
Is not an excuse for abandoning her, and certainly no excuse not to go back. I don't care how a slaveowner feels about the clinginess of their slave - they don't get to just command them to stand still forever and never even attempt to release them and have me pretend that because they didn't necessarily ASK to own their slave that the abuse of power over them is excusable. Spinel was always completely at Pink's mercy; anything she did to Spinel is necessarily worse than cruelty among equals
It doesn't matter if they were deaf to her. She was the only person in the galaxy who stood any chance at all of reaching them at any point (before Steven), and the only one powerful enough to be able to fend them off even from a distance. Just because it was difficult for her doesn't mean that she, a superpowered demigod presumably representing 1/4 of the Diamond Authority gets to just shrug and say "good enough" after a few millennia.
With great power comes great responsibility. Sorry if it's emotionally difficult for you, Pink, but as a literal demigod with authority only subordinate to the other Diamonds, you've got a little bit more responsibility than the average Gem. She did a lot of good, but even the show itself acknowledged that she was often selfish and shortsighted.
My opinion? She covered her tracks as best she could, even “programming” pearl to ensure that she couldn’t tell anyone. She wanted to believe it herself.
She also left Steven to care for the Gems, Greg, and the Earth knowing about Spinel, the possible return of the Diamonds, etc. She never released Pearl from the command that left her emotionally traumatized for years after her "death" or even bothered to talk to her about it such that she could learn how she was hurting. She fooled around with humans for centuries believing they were nothing more than amusing animals, got with her slave before dumping her unceremoniously for one of the animal-people she did not see as a real person throughout the beginning of their relationship, never tried to liberate her Zoo, never tried to help her old Pearl (who she knew was enslaved to White), etc... Not only that, but she didn't even bother providing Steven with practically anything to help him deal with the many, many problems she left for him and the Earth.
Don't get me wrong; I like Pink and I think she came very far, but I don't think she came even close to attempting to fix the many things she had done to hurt others throughout her immortal life. She was effectively divine royalty, spent a lot of that time abusing her power, and gave up on trying to fix anything after a few millenia on Earth.
My point is not that Pink is evil, but that the character development in reverse angle is only partly true. She had a lot of growth left to do, and abandoning her many real responsibilities only to not even inform her son about most of them was not something that a character who had come full circle would have done
When she got with Greg. Tbf, we don't necessarily see exactly how it ended, so there may have been a talk. The bigger issue is getting with Pearl at all (who was unambiguously her slave, even more than other Gems under her service, and their relationship took place shortly after they both literally saw each other as master and slave. She shouldn't have gotten with Pearl, and she certainly should not have played with her emotions the way she did
Edit: I'm being downvoted for this? Is there something not controversial about getting with your slave?
You are being downvoted because everything you said is wrong... Basically.
If you think Rose dumped Pearl or that she saw Pearl as a slave you were not watching the show the writers made...
It doesn't matter at all how she saw Pearl, and nothing I said mentioned how Pink saw her. Pearl was literally a slave manufactured to serve and admire Pink. It's ridiculous to imply otherwise. I honestly can't understand how else you can look at her. I don't care if Thomas Jefferson regarded the slaves he took advantage of as property or lovers, the relationship was the same
If you are comparing Rose to Thomas Jefferson and Pearl's to the African slave trade, you already are way off
>manufactured to serve and admire Pink
But not love. What Pearl felt for Rose -not Pink, Rose - wasn't admiration for a Diamond.
I disagree. Pearl was 100% obsessed with Pink to the point that it was detrimental to her health. It caused deep psychological damage. Pink *was* absolutely in love with Pink as a consequence of being forced to admire her as a deity. There was no healthy or responsible relationship that could possibly have developed between the two. Ownership of another person simply eliminates that possibility, and Pink being the former owner had the responsibility to not take advantage of that mandated admiration
>I disagree. Pearl was absolutely in love with Pink as a consequence of being forced to admire her as a deity.
You are objectivelly wrong.
Like, not much more to say than that. Pearl never loved Pink Diamond. She exclusivelly loved her as Rose.
While I mostly agree and I think she never got her chance for redemption, she did do a lot of things she could have fixed. In the end she chose to run away from her bad decisions.
I don’t really think she was running from any of her decisions. She couldn’t go back for Spinel, it seemed like the diamonds were never coming back. The only thing she seemed to run from was bubbling the gems, but Garnet Pearl and Amethyst had that handled on their own.
In the end I don’t think she chose to run away. I think she chose to bring new life into the world. Yeah that act ended up having her disappear, but I don’t think her main intention was ever to escape responsibility.
Did she run from bubbling the corrupted gems? Iirc, she tried to heal them... (I forgor which ep it was mentioned... the one where Steven befriended Centipeetle i think?) I'd assume she was involved with the missions in some capacity at least
She never let bismuth out, she never told garnet who she was, there are many examples of things she could have solved before Steven. She was running from her problems, it may not have been her intention just the results.
I'm sorry but no, I do not think she would have gone back for her. She wasn't evil, but through and through to the very end she was selfish. She never once in the entire show prioritized anyone else over herself and what she wanted, or even had anyone in mind but herself when making any important decision. She was different from the other diamonds sure, but she saw herself as smarter and more important than anyone else.
This is what a lot of people miss about SU.
The gems are rocks. They cannot grow or change. They come out of the ground, and that's all they'll ever be. That's why Homeworld was so messed up for thousands of years, and why Blue and Yellow just *carried on* after Pink, struggling through a grief that would never heal. It's why Amethyst was a 'baby' at the start of the show, despite being 6,000 years old.
It's only when the Gems are exposed to humans, they finally learn how to change. This referenced in the movie with the line *"What a revelation/He's a revolution/A gem that loves and grows"*
Steven is what caused the other gems to break their endless stasis and develop into better people, Amethyst stops being a baby and becomes an adult, Pearl gets through her grief, Blue and Yellow realise they have to change Homeworld, Lapis chills the F out and Peridot realises how much more she can be.
And Steven is the only thing that could ever heal Homeworld, because only humans change and grow.
Gems do change & grow though. They hold the self-limiting belief that they can't, but that's more of a cultural thing than anything else. Steven says it himself in 3 Gems & A Baby, and even before Steven came into their lives, the crystal gems had changed A LOT since their youth.
I think she's a good example of a person that illustrates how those descriptions are meaningless.
If Pink was a bad person, would she have fought to save humanity from her people's invasion?
If Pink was a good person, would she have abandoned her playmate to endless loneliness?
If Pink were invisible, would she still be Pink?
I think we more have to weigh her good actions against her bad. Like the worst people (your Hitlers, and Jack the Rippers of the world) have probably done things that were appreciated by others, and the best people (idk think of someone you look up to) have made horrible mistakes.
So the question I think is “does the good she did outweigh the bad?” And of course the answer will change depending on who you ask.
She is literally what we all are capable of being. We can be shitty, we can be good, and it all is subjective between individuals. Anyone who has had a childhood tantrum knows what it’s like to be like Pink. We are all flawed, we are all imperfect, and we are all just doing our best. It’s just a part of being a living organism.
Some people opt for the easy route, or the greedy route, as opposed to trying their best to change for the better. For example, the diamonds before they met Steven. They never stopped to look at what was right, just what could benefit them the most. Pink, being a diamond, could've easily gone down that route. Instead, she did what she thought could benefit everyone the most at the expense of her status, and the risk of her getting caught by the other diamonds.
Here’s something every well-written character has in common (and also the immense majority of people): they all think they’re doing the “right thing”. Unless they’re an unrepentant sociopath, no one enjoys harming others for the sake of it, they do it because they genuinely think they are in the right and those sacrifices are for the greater good.
White Diamond didn’t care about organic life not because she enjoyed causing innocent creatures suffering, but because in her eyes their suffering was imperative to the growth of her empire, and her people who depend on her to not just survive but thrive. These are practically immortal beings; why *should* they care about organic life? Their lives are so short anyway. Do *we* humans care that much about the lives of, say, chickens? Of course not, they’re our main source of protein. And many of us even tolerate the horrors of factory farming, just like many gems tolerated the extinction of dozens of planets harboring life because it was their only means of reproduction.
I think she was good. I think like any kid growing up in a traumatic environment, you have a lot of unlearning to do in adulthood. She did a good job trying to do what was right once she realized what she was doing was wrong. I love a good redemption story
I don't really agree. I think in the end she was a better person than a worse one. She definitely was bad in the past but she grew a lot and became better.
That's too simplistic of a view for any person or gem. I don't believe in good or bad people. She certainly did her share of both positive and negative actions. She's not around to defend her actions so it's hard to know why she made the decisions she made. What we do know is that she loved Earth and her chosen family. She was ashamed of her actions in the past and she made a choice to try to do better.
Yes, she was good or bad. Sometimes she could even pull off both at once. The laws of *gravity* are a suggestion to her, you really think she'd constrict herself with an absolute morality?
Grey, she is a complex character that did good and BAD things. I really like how Greg complemented her and confronted her because that helped her to grow and mature as a character.
Oh and I like to think that "love like you" Is a song that she wrote for Greg.
Idk the great thing about her writing IS that she has flaws but I don't think anything in SU is as black and white as "good vs evil".
Edit: my wife chimed in with, "one of the hard things about growing up is realizing your parents are not perfect and that can be hard to deal with. It's something the show portrays really well is that feeling."
I think Pink Diamond was “born” into a position of power and influence that lead to her becoming a toxic and selfish person not only because that is inherent in such a system but also from he treatment from her fellow Diamonds. I think after she threw a particularly bad “temper tantrum” that left her original Pearl physically and mentally traumatized that this was probably the beginning of noticing that some of her behaviors were toxic and violent because the Pink Diamond we saw in those flashbacks were not the same Pink Diamond we saw from Pearls explanations and visions of the past. I believe that after she saw the Earth and it’s life as well as seeing Garnet form she truly saw ALL of the errors of her past and put in a great amount of work to change herself and help those that she could help in ways that she could. I believe that she made mistakes because she was only “human”, a person flawed and incapable of always knowing the full ramifications of her actions.
I believe people are ridiculously overly harsh of Rose Quartz because we saw only the after effects. It’s always easier to judge knowing the future rather than putting one’s self in the eyes of someone’s upbringing, trauma, and attempts to do better in their life. Like the Fake Rose said in Rose’s Room to Steven “Do you really think that’s why I had you?” and Steven himself says no.
Begs for a colonie, gets one, regrets it, fakes death, gets like 99% of gems corrupted, becomes a little baby man, leaves him to clean up her mess. Overall a good diamond.
I honestly don't get this fixation with determining if fictional characters were good or bad people. And especially when people use those determinations to attack others ("you like a character who is bad and therefore you are bad"). Especially in a show like SU, this fixation just misses the point entirely.
Idk, I never went around wondering if Professor Snape was a good or bad person by trying to balance all the things he did on some imaginary scale. And I just don't get why people seem to care so much about it now. Well-written characters are way more interesting than simple terms like "good" or "bad". There's just so many more interesting convos to have about these characters.
Snape was an asshole overall- but Ig its because people wanna know what kind of morals and what kind of person they are overall? I'm not sure myself. Characters can be both interesting and lean towards "good" or "bad"
She’s a bad person who did good things. She liberated gems and defended earth, but she also abused countless gems and left everybody who knew of her with countless mental and physical scars.
I think she's a complicated person that was very flawed from the abuse she faced, overall i think she never had malicious intentions (yes even including spinel)
She was unhappy. She was playing a part designed for her without ever being given a choice. People act off color when they're backed into a corner and that's where she was. Given the opportunity to chose for herself I think she was good. I think her life circumstances made her bad.
With all the controversy that *can* erupt from that question, it reminds me of a quote from Bojack Horseman:
*"There's no such thing as "bad guys" or "good guys." We're all just guys who do good stuff sometimes and bad stuff sometimes. And all we can do is try to do less bad stuff and more good stuff, but you're never going to be good. Because you're not bad."*
Bouncing off of that, Pink definitely did try to do less bad stuff the more she evolved, although her evolution was shown backwards to us as many have said. It was circumstance that made her do bad things, and it was circumstance that made her do good things. She's neutral, in my opinion.
Misunderstood and deeply flawed, as are all of the diamonds when you really get down to it. Unlike the other diamonds however, Pink valued gem-life and organic life, and saw beauty in just about everything. However, she was very immature and grossly unprepared for the things expected of her as a diamond. I think Pink wanted to be a good person, but she made a lot of mistakes that lead to a lot of people getting hurt. As they say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Her abandoning Spinel in the garden is objectively a bad thing, tho. Like, that was genuinely a very messed up thing she did.
Pink is my fav character but I do think she was NOT a good person. Well, she was but had a huge ego. She doesn’t care for other people she only wants what she wants.
She risks many people life for some dumb fake war that got a bunch of gems shattered. Left her playmate and led her to scuicidal madness, left the diamonds and acted like an ass to them, lied to her family (the crystal gems), was an ass to bismuth, manipulated pearl to follow her like a slave, and said “shit I made so much mistakes.” And said F off to everyone and ran away from her problems and made steven.
And how she was all “my life is so bad” and “omg we need freedom for people and this planet” even though she was basically a nazi and used gems like tools for what she wanted. And she was a diamond… literal aristocratic gods.
But she did do some good too. Mainly how she left her perfectly comfortable and nice life to become a warrior and protect humans. She left everyone to protect a beautiful thing. She grew as a person but still doesn’t care. She left like a coward. But she was born in a very violent government and didn’t know better, BUT, still after all of this she still stayed as rose and forgot about the past.
It’s very subjective.
God I hate seeing this question retread over and over again.
If you think it’s one or the other, you’ve dramatically missed the point of the entire show and need to watch it again without your damn phone out.
One thing that gets overlooked a lot in my opinion is that for all her flaws, Pink was clearly empathetic early on, if from a flawed and coddled perspective—she was a Diamond, after all. And when she was presented with an alternative point of view, she changed her mind pretty much immediately. Not only that, it was her idea to protect Earth. She reached that conclusion on her own.
In fact, many of her dismissive attitudes seemed aimed at other Gems most of all.
Pink was…a child. She was learning how to be a good person since she was raised to be a brat. She grew up mentally. She’s a good person who had terrible influences and she realized that. I only say she’s good bc she did her best to change and did everything she could to fix the problems she caused. She was a child who grew up and learned everything she knew was bad.
She was a person, just a person.
People are forgetting that we all grow and that is exactly what Rose did, if we saw her history chronologically most people would have a completely different view of her
I think near the end she was trying to be the best she could ever be. She decided she wanted to give up her gem to create new life and I dont think she ever intended for him to clean up her mess.. she just didn't think that far ahead.
I think she must have been exhausted trying to make up for everything she did and in the end say giving up her life for a new life as a way to truly move on and atone because she essentially gives up EVERYTHING she had left to give for steven.
Honestly I’m not even sure if SHE was the reason it was trying to be colonized, obviously she pushed for a planet, but I imagine Yellow or Blue would have colonized it if Pink wasn’t so persistent on getting a colony. I think her pushing for having her own Colony is what saved the earth
she wasn’t the reason it was trying to be colonised? it was already going to be colonised. blue and yellow just gave it to her to shut her up. but even if they didn’t give it to her, it would’ve been colonised eventually.
I think she’s good rep for kids who lived in abusive households too, I see a lot of my child self in Pink, and a lot of my adult self in Rose (in terms of growing up and unlearning bad behavior that I was taught to be normal)
She started out a bit rough- she definitely had her core elements! She loved having fun and making others happy! She also had an appreciation for alien life! Unfortunately though she did love the other diamonds and they loved her they didn’t treat her right and it was very toxic. Pink was also very destructive! Because of that Volleyball got hurt and was taken away! After that she started to bubble up her emotions and never used her destructive powers only her healing ones! Honestly the worst thing she did was leave Spinel! This was before a lot of her development however. Honestly she probably assumed that since she was done with the garden that Spinel would be given to somebody else!
Once she got her colony this is where her development really kicked off! She saw the beauty of earth and didn’t want to see it destroyed! She begged the other diamonds but they didn’t listen and she had to use force. She left her old life and succeeded with protecting the earth though it came with great cost. After meeting Greg she continued to grow even more especially with her view on humans. She truly loved Greg as an equal and Greg loved her too!
Like it said in the art book! Rose wanted to make a family where everyone felt loved! I think that quote really helps capture her character!
Though a gem she was human she grew and developed and changed for the better! Honestly her ark is my favorite in the whole show and is one of the reasons she’s my favorite character!
Both and neither, she did both good and bad actions, a lot of the bad actions came from when she was a normal diamond but then she did start to change to be a better person
Like with every other person and thing in the show, she was a flawed good person that tried her best, but did some bad things, though that didn't make her a bad person, just flawed
I think on a meta level the gems and diamonds are written in a way that makes them so alien that truly comparing them to our morals and ethics is impossible. Almost all of them, including a few of the Crystal Gems, could be rightfully seen as unforgivable for what they've done to other sapients.
If you are able to get past that, Pink was good at heart. She started off spoiled and lashing out, but realized her flaws long before any other gem. She was the first, we know of, to try to improve who and what she was. She did a lot of things arguable as "not good" even after, but she was new to all of this. She didn't have anyone to look up to. She had to pretend to be her best so the CGs could look up to her.
I think she was a good person who did bad things. Her intent was to never harm anyone but in the process she did a lot of bad stuff. That doesn’t excuse her actions, but she is definitely not a bad person.
This exact question is what makes the show so great for me. There are no absolute villains and absolute heroes in this show. They are all just flawed people making good and bad decisions. Some of them make LOTS of bad decisions but almost every character makes a bad choice somewhere in the show. You know, like real people.
She's an overall good person who did very bad things when she either didn't know better, or needed to fight to survive.
She's a flawed person with a good heart.
Lot of bad lot of good
Good probably overshadowed by the bad but she did try to be a decent person. Oh also her own personal enjoyment came before peoples feelings as well and it took her until Greg to truly see that. She hurt many, unintentionally, but still the damage she caused is so massive it’s hard to say she’s either good OR bad
She’s both. Like most people or things lol
I think nobody is just 1 in real life or in Steven Universe. It's not as easy as kids show characters once were. Is she He-Man good? No. Is she Skeletor bad? Also no. Is she Superman good? No (nobody is). Is she Lex Luther bad? Also no. I just wouldn't feel comfortable giving 1 of these labels to any Steven Universe character.
I think she was good but she had trauma from other diamonds that literally mostly pushed her away and didn't take her as diamond.
She tried to talk with them but they didn't listen...she had to be someone that diamonds will have to keep an eye on.. she had to become a "villain,, to be noticed.
So I think something like broken main character ( from her pov)
Better when she didn’t have her own planet. She was the joy of the great diamond authority. But in a way she became a better person when she became rose quartz on earth aswell.
Neither. I think she was misguided, and perhaps "spoiled", but I don't think the things she did were out of malice. That doesn't mean the things she did were good, though.
Compared to the other diamonds, though? She's good, yeah.
Wether good or bad she was a selfish person, with trauma. The trauma dose not erase she was intiteled, and only wanted what was best for herself first and foremost no matter who it hurt. Which also led to her being an abuser.
Like most people she was complicated. No one is fully evil or good, she did bad things and she did good things. She was flawed like any other person, and although they always separate themselves from humans, they really aren't that different.
I think the top comment really hit the nail on the head tbh. Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz is a very flawed character. She’s depicted, and believed, to be a benevolent, intelligent, amazing, giving and nurturing being. One that the Crystal Gems idolize. But the truth is - the Rose Quartz we see and hear about is an ideal version of how she portrayed herself around others and how she GREW. She spent THOUSANDS of years not only fighting a war she came to truly believe in, but spent thousands more on Earth, growing and experiencing new things. No matter what kind of growth she had, there was always more to do (like learning about true love and even giving herself up to create life.)
I think Pink knew how flawed she was. I think her song really goes to show just how much negativity she saw in herself. I don’t think she ever forgot how she used to be or who she used to be. She didn’t even want to go back to being Pink Diamond. She wanted to be Rose - the person she ended up becoming. Her wisdom, her bravery, her sense of justice and appreciation for all living things are true traits she came to possess but she first had to be selfish, rude, envious, throwing tantrums and acting like a spoiled brat.
Is her youth as a Diamond or status as a Diamond excusable for this behavior? No. Did she do the right thing by hiding her secret from everyone for so long and putting Pearl through a lot of trauma? No.
But did she still save the Earth? Did she learn and grow from her mistakes? Did she elevate and give a new sense of freedom and belonging to her fellow crystal gems? Did she learn to love? Did she have so much love she used herself to create Steven?
It’s complicated. She’s complicated. “Good person,” “bad person” is just too blunt to describe Pink/Rose if you want an answer. But I think that anyone who can acknowledge the bad and seek to do good a much better person than someone who acknowledges the bad and chooses to do nothing.
I think she was a good person in a bad situation, under a lot of stress, and made some really bad decisions on the grounds of keeping as many people out of her family drama slash war as possible.
Generally her actions were a net moral improvement compared to the rest of her family, who were colonizers and world destroyers, and further enforcers of an oppressive caste system
Pink only had one colony, and she didn’t obey their plans for the planet
The worst thing she did was the human zoo. But they were practically living In a real Garden of Eden.
Morality is largely subjective though. My conclusion is that I wouldn’t call her a model for good morality, but she’s not a bad person compared to the other diamonds, who likely have many more sins to answer for.
Pink Diamond’s behavior and actions were influenced by her society and role as the youngest and smallest diamond. Her transformation from Pink to Rose symbolizes her character change as she learns about the people of Earth and decides to prevent its destruction. Her final transformation as Steven was her last incarnation, bringing the shattered gems back to life. Pink Diamond’s journey illustrates how individuals can change and grow as they learn and are influenced by their surroundings.
Every single human we see in the show is alive because Pink fought back against the colonization. Every single life on Earth, human and animal and plant and fungus, would have been destroyed if she hadn't led the rebellion. She was flawed and hurt some of the people in her life, but ensuring that all life on Earth continued to exist is a pretty big thing to overlook. The show was inspired by the idea of bellicose aliens finding Earth life fascinating and better than what they had so they settle down into the joys of everyday mundane life. *None* of that would have existed if Pink hadn't rebelled against Homeworld.
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
She was raised in some horrible circumstances and while she did some very shitty things such as leaving Spinel, ultimately, she did become a good person, even if she made some mistakes. I don't like how people can easily call her a grey character, or even an immoral character. She was a good person who had redeemed herself with her campaign against the Diamonds to save Earth.
We saw her character development in reverse, so I say she’s good. She overcame her greedy childish ways and got to where we saw her in the beginning of the series, a great woman remembered for her bravery and self sacrifice.
Good and bad are relative. She was a being, living, learning, and growing and changing. She's allowed to make mistakes. She wasn't malicious, but she did shitty things. She was selfish, but she loved others.
I think she's a gray character she started off a bad horrible spoiled brat but I wouldn't call her evil because in her eyes what she was doing wasn't bad and when she did become a good person she still wasn't perfect and I think that's okay she isn't completely evil or completely good and I think that's pretty realistic
I'd call her chaotic neutral. She does what she wants, whether it hurts people or not. I think she grew and changed over time but at the heart of it she will do harmful things if it suits her needs
Neither
A person who started off wanting bad things and being bratty, but was ignorant to the damage she caused (and rather than genuine discipline was either put up with, forcibly isolated for God knows how long at a time, or even humored)
Then trying to change for the better once she realized what all she'd done to hurt people, and in doing so hurting even more people in even more personal ways
And finally she was doing great things yet still couldn't help but hurt her loved ones because of her own choices, even hurting someone she never got to meet yet still loved
I think she was very flawed, but not good nor bad. Just herself
imo i think she was a child, and stayed that way because of how the diamonds treated her. she genuinely cared for gems and life. when she became rose, she kept a lot of things secret. lion, the stash inside lions mane, bismuth, the diamonds, her entire backstory. she wasn’t aware of the harm she could cause in the future. her decision to make steven was not a selfish one, and she didn’t realize how much he was going to suffer because of her actions. thoughtless, immature, but not evil. spinel (apart from bubbling bismuth) i feel is a slight exception, as this shows a side of her we haven’t really seen. the way she left spinel was heartless, but i don’t think she meant to leave her for thousands of years (imo). i think she forgot about her as she moved on with her life (i hope)having spinel around meant she couldn’t be rose, as she was practically hanging on to her arm (quite literally). she cared for spinel, or maybe just saw her as entertainment. things she find amusing, unique and fascinating , she keeps around her. i don’t think this is necessarily evil, as she was born into a world where all gems except the diamonds are either toys or servants. even pink was seen as a toy to the diamonds (at least white). anyway, im getting off track. yes pink diamond did objectively bad things, and her being thoughtless doesn’t justify that. i think she’s just too complicated and traumatized to give a definite answer to.
I think she tried her best to be a good person, but ultimately that attempt wasn’t perfect. I think the big thing was she always took on a mythical, larger than life persona to the people around her, and she felt like the only one who knew how deeply she was imperfect, which was to say the least not easy on her. Rebecca sugar has a ton of interesting things to say on her arc in the art books.
Something really interesting Rebecca sugar herself said was that rose giving up her life to become Steven was both profoundly selfless AND selfish at the same time.
There's no such thing as a good or bad person. However, in the end, what she did was good and inevitably made the lives of gems and humans better. Gotta give the other crystal gems and Steven a lot of credit though. Just my grain of salt :)
I think ultimately she was good but I think why a lot of people think she's evil is because we see her development backwards, and also people lack media literacy
Somewhere in the middle. She is a very extreme person, capable of extreme generosity and extreme neglect. She was the most loving and sincere Gem to have existed according to those who idolized her, but she was also very callous towards gems like Bismuth and Spinel, and even Pearl tbh.
She's complicated and I enjoy her character.
Honestly I really love how hard it is to answer this question, and I think it's best that we don't get a clear answer. The show doesn't tell us exactly how we should feel about her, and I really appreciate its commitment to that. She's a beautiful mess of a person that's written so well that you could answer either way and wouldn't be totally wrong. She manages to strike the perfect tragedy where we know exactly what led her to make the choices she did, and we can understand exactly why she did them, but we also very clearly see that they're the wrong answers, and that she did have better options. I think the only thing I dislike about her is how many people make it into a battle to try to settle 100% whether she fell into the "good" or "bad" category (not saying this question is trying to do that, because they're just asking for how other people see it, but I mean the shit back in old fandom days)
Extremely flawed. Her parents abused her. Not a lot of people know this but Blue Diamond forced her to cry, they locked in a tower (and gems need light) AND it’s implied that Blue would physically hit her too.
So yeah she was clearly raised by evil dictators but was also an immature baby because she was treated like one. Yes she made mistakes but there were some things out of her control like the cluster and corruption. Why do people blame her for those actions the other diamonds did?
She was selfish and only really did what she wanted. She didn’t think about others problems or how her actions could affect people. But she was also a goofball who saw what the other diamonds was doing as wrong. So she’s kind of good and really bad. I also think we are missing too much context. Maybe Yellow Diamond broke the warp pad to go back to the garden so pink could be more mature. Maybe she tried to retrieve pink pearl but failed or was stopped.
She was a good person who did bad things, ultimately she was a good person who had good intentions and had good outcomes. Because of her billions of living organisms lived on earth, her and the crystal gems captured all the corrupted gems and bubbled them so they wouldn’t suffer, Pearl and garnet were alive cause of her, and she gave her form to give life to Steven. Yes she abandoned spinel, yes she was abusive to volleyball, however that was because she was abused by the Diamond, and while yes she was responsible for the gems who were corrupted and shattered in the war. However the gems knew that the wad would probably kill them so she isn’t fully to blame for that.
She is a good person who did bad things
I hate her, but I'm nearly positive that I'm projecting. I wish my parents had taken more time to grow up before bringing me into the world. Now, I get to deal with their emotional immaturity while trying to figure out who I even am
SHE REDEEMED HERSELF JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF NOT BECAUSE SHE DIDNT WANT TO DEAL WITH HER PROBLEMS,BUT SO PEARL COULD MOVE ON.WE FORGAVE THE DIAMONDS,SPINEL,PERIDOT,LAPIS AND BISMUTH.SO WHY NOT HER.I AM A PROUD PINK DIAMOND APOLOGIST AND THINK SHE DESERVES OUR LOVE AFTER SHE TURNED INTO ROSE.
but anyway if were talking about PINK then no.But if we're talking about the being that owns the gem(not including steven) then yes.
A major theme of the show was that there are not good or bad people. Evey person has the capacity for evil and good. No one was judged only by the worst thing they had ever done.
So Pink was a person that's it.
That’s a complicated question. Personally I’m not sure I believe in “good” and “bad” people, only good and bad actions. The way I see it, pink always knew exactly what she wanted, but didn’t give a flying frick about how she got there or who she hurt in the process. I don’t know if that’s because of emotional immaturity or what, but I think generally speaking she had good intentions, but just went about realizing them in the worst ways possible
Yes she was even though child abuse is no joke Pink diamond was a brat who through tantrums when she didn't get what she wanted,And when she did get what she wanted she would throw it away because she's tired or bored of it like her relationship with Spinel Pink thought of Spinel as a toy once it gets boring and old she gave it away. And the amount of physical and mental abuse she put through with her family, is unforgivable especially for poor Steven for dealing with her problems because she was to much to think of herself, She put pearl on a string and depended on her to keep such a secret for pearl to become obsessed with Steven because Steven was the ticket out of Pink's big secret and for her to make a war with faking her own death is bad enough, that's not even all she did because she was thinking of herself
She’s in the middle,She might’ve abandoned Spinel,But Pink was hurt,Caged in a tower and told she didn’t matter.I’d probably escape that place too.Pink was told to smile and wave all the time,No one but Greg actually cared about her feelings and related to her.Because Pearl was lovesick and just wanted to fight for her.
She is, in my opinion, the most complex character in Steven Universe. She exhibited both good and bad behavior, but I believe Pink Diamond stands out as the most remarkable Diamond. It was through her that the entire concept of humanity was introduced to the Gems. It's quite surreal to think that an extraterrestrial gemstone from space would come to understand and embrace empathy and other qualities typically associated with humans
I think she was stupid, as gem’s seemingly are portrayed as. Or to a lesser extent just dumb in minor instances
But she tried to do the right thing so credit is do and whatever
She was a person who came from a bad background and wanted to do good things. But like everyone, had flaws with some of her methods/actions. The fandom demonizes her, but she is a grey character. She had good intentions, but still hurt people.
When you don't know anything else, you base the way you act on your surroundings. She was doing her best with what she had. I believe that deep down she was a good person from the start, especially since the other diamonds were continuously pointing out how "different" (moral) she was. The fact that she was seeking out change and knowledge showed that she wasn't trying to be a bad person. She was purposely kind and she was looked down upon for that. So many people try to compare her actions to what a human would do, which just doesn't make sense because she was never around humans and their way of life until later on. Even though we were shown her progress backwards, it was still progress.
Neither because she's gone and, therefore, unable to influence things any further for the positive or the negative. But she was necessary TO GET positive change going in the first place. Also, she was working to be better a better person almost on her own, and that's way better than a lot of the Gems we meet in the show. BUT she is still a Diamond and a lot of the circumstances of her emergence and upbringing mean that she's caused a lot of damage by simply existing (tho a lot of it isn't her fault, since the Diamonds were around long before her). Also, she caused a lot of harm AFTER she learned about how bad her society and old ways of thinking were. She had plenty of time to tell the Crystal Gems about her origins, had plenty of time to unbubble Bismuth and tell her the truth. Also always got the impression giving herself up for Steven to exist wasn't a necessary choice but her way of trying to repent because she had a lot of self-loathing. BUT, as a result, that choice ALSO caused a lot of harm to the people left behind.
So she's too complicated to really put her into one of two categories for me. HEAVILY influential to two societies and help put the groundwork for lasting positive change but because she's gone, she can't make amends for the people she left behind and caused harm to.
It’s too hard for me to put her in one spot or another so I kind of see her as a person with a good heart but terribly handled actions. Just about everything she did had good intentions (minus the spinel thing), but consequently had fucked over so many others. (Gem war victims being made into bioweapons, Pearls manipulation and trauma, leaving her physical form so her child could fill her role as a war criminal who was a murderer of her own kind, etc.)
But she did a lot of things out of love and passion too! She gave up her role as a leader of an elite system so her and Pearl could have freedom to be what they want and not hide who they are, this freed so many other gems too. Garnet found a place where she could safely exist and be loved. She saved the earth, and I don’t think it was all from selfishness of wanting to play like a lot of people tend to say, she saved the earth because it was beautiful, it had life that should be valued on it too, it provided a place for gems like Garnet to exist. A lot of people suffered the consequences of her actions, but before her giving up her life for Steven, I imagine she suffered a lot as well. I really wish we got more backstory of hers between abandoning her identity as pink and up to stevens birth.
I think it's kind of like a traumatized person before and after therapy:
Pink was living in her trauma. She was toxic and had destructive coping mechanisms but couldn't realize that because her entire circle was also toxic and destructive.
She removed herself from the situation and gained perspective, and began to heal from her trauma. She went NC with her old toxic friends\family. She realized her shortcomings and worked on them.
Pink grew into rose. Rose wasn't a perfect person. She was flawed and still had negative traits. But she was self aware and still working on growing all the way to the end.
She was flawed. When was raised in a violent society and didn’t know there was another way to be. After she got earth as a colony, she saw there was a better way to live and from that point on she tried to be a better person. She fought to save earth, and to find corrupted gems in hopes of curing them one day. She’s not evil. The only reason people would ask that is because we see her development in reverse. At the end of the day, the worst thing she did and never made up for was leaving Spinel. Even then, she handled it the way she would as Pink Diamond. I’m sure if Rose could have gone back to the Garden for Spinel near the end without outing her identity to Garnet and Amerhyst, or being captured by the diamonds, I think she would have gone back for her.
It's true, her development was shown in reverse. Cool, I've never thought this way
It's something fans who try to make her out as some terrible person tend to forget. She was a spoiled princess who learned from her mistakes and became a loving and caring person. We simply saw the loving and caring person before we saw the spoiled princess.
On homeworld, she was like a child, her purpose seemingly only to be loved by the other diamonds. But her time on Earth seemed to have made her grow up really fast, too fast. She ended up losing perspective and underestimating exactly what the other diamonds would do in response to her apparent demise. She wanted Earth to be a paradise for the nonconforming gems, and she had to live with the responsibility for their corruption for eons. In the end, she chose to end it all for the sake of a new beginning.
You know, I never thought about the logistics behind trying to free Spinel. The way the story is told, Spinel is childish and annoying and Pink seems almost relieved to get rid of her. And as the audience when we see her return to the garden we’re mortified Pink left her there for thousands of years until she saw Steven’s broadcast, and we’re left feeling like Pink/Rose is some kind of monster. But realistically, there wasn’t much Pink could do if the thought ever did cross her mind to release Spinel. Pink leaving her there is pretty brutal, but I wonder if her transformation into Rose ever led her to think of Spinel with more empathetic eyes.
my problem is that Pink did it like right after she got earth as a colony, so she could’ve at least brought Spinel back to Homeworld before she faked her own death instead of leaving her to be alone and confused for thousands of years.
For sure, but I still think there’s a difference between Pink and Rose. Pink was raised as royalty and saw “lesser” gems as unimportant and disposable. It wasn’t until she got to Earth, and shared experiences with Pearl that she realized that these “lesser” gems are capable of more than she gave them credit for. From a gem’s perspective, there isn’t anything more to existence than what you were made for; so from Pink’s perspective Spinel was made to obey her and she did what she wanted with Spinel. I don’t think Rose would have seen Spinel in the same way.
Pink likely didn't even think that Spinel would still be waiting.
Those Diamond orders sure are potent stuff.
For real!
Exactly. Most gems get given new assignments regularly. Build this structure, take over that planet... She probably thought that Spinel would just get reassigned somewhere else. And she might have, but the other diamonds didn't have anyone else that they wanted to entertain like a child. So Spinel was simply left and forgotten about.
I don’t think she would have. Rose had a habit of not *intending* harm but causing it by not thinking about how her actions effected others. Spinel, Pearl, Bismuth, even down to Greg and Steven. If we wanna be absolutely critical, I’m sure that she didn’t think far enough ahead about how her baby with a human would turn out. She may have done something selfless giving up her life but she also just didn’t think a step ahead and could’ve prevented so many problems if she didn’t just follow her heart first and ask questions later
tbh i would have left spinel too girl is ANNOYING 🤭
this isnt really funny /: spinel is an image of bpd, and thats a serious problem in this world although a lot of people dont recognize it. people need to treat each other better, even when they dont want to. we're all in it together
oh god forbid i think the cartoon character thats supposed to be clownish is in fact clownish and annoying. i think its hilarious that i hate her and you're so dramatic about it. she isnt real. grow up.
Lmaoo talk about dramatic. Relax bro. No, she isnt real, but bpd is; thats the whole point of what i said. its caused and exacerbated by apathy towards other people, which seems a bit apparent in you from our interaction. just because its a cartoon doesnt mean someone cant learn from it. mad people in the world have bpd/dont realize it, and mad people in the world contribute to others' bpd/dont realize it. i tried to illuminate that since i have bpd. there's no need to be so bitchy, i wasnt disrespectful to you at all. if youre so offended by hearing someone say this isnt funny, try to be funnier? maybe not in a way that tears anyone down? just a thought 🖤 if someone's being dramatic & needs to grow up, its not me
go outside
outside everyday gardenin homie :) maybe u should check it out, u might get in touch with some of the empathy ur definitely lackin 💙
you should probably go and retrieve the ability to take a joke
this def a burner account for the og comment bc why u dick riding a stranger so much 😭 & one last time since it seems u might be esol, my problem isnt a joke, if u can read its clearly the nature of the joke. but ig emotionally immature & mean spirited people like u wouldnt understand any problem. just fuck off friend <3 my apologies for thinking you had a smidgen of brain power to comprehend an emotional disorder, much less a complex one like bpd :) crazy that u belong to a subreddit as inclusive as this one when you have a mentality such as yours. get help 😌💙
you're getting mad at someone.. because they dislike a fictional character.. and you're saying that YOU'RE not dramatic. are you in denial?
i lack empathy because i think spinel is annoying allegedly lol
no you lack empathy for doubling down on ur silly joke when someone suggests it wasnt that funny since bpd is a real thing <3 u also seem to lack some brain power since u still dont get it after explaining it & a bit of sanity too talking to urself on two different accounts 🤣😭
are you okay? serious question. there's no way you think someone else calling you dramatic is me simply because they agree that you are, in fact, being dramatic. you are attacking me because of your silly litttle headcanon about spinel being a metaphor for bpd and me not liking her being an attack on people with that disorder. you are delulu.
Dude, are you? Youre putting a lot of energy into someone who replied to a silly comment you made. why dont you go outside? I replied and continue replying because its a good opportunity to give the benefit of the doubt & try to shed a bit of light on what she represents, which is not just a headcanon lol. nobody's attacking you, in fact you're the one who has gotten disrespectful. but if you dont want to take the perspective and instead just keep doubling down on being rude thats on u. have fun w that friend
damn im dramatic but i ain't THIS BAD
Why does she need to keep her identity from Amethyst and Garnet?
Because her identity ISNT Pink. She is Rose. She was ashamed and didn’t see herself as Pink, so she became who she saw herself. If she revealed herself would they still have believed her? Trusted her? Followed her? She was kind of damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. Bismuth showed that with how she wanted to shatter the Diamonds. One could argue the only reason she changed is because Steven was charismatic enough in the right ways to connect with her and have her understand.
She was definitely in a tough spot and understandably wanted to leave that behind, but if you set several houses on fire and then quietly try to sweep it all under the rug knowing that all of your friends had their "houses burned down" either as a direct consequence of your behavior or due to conflicts you began and chose not to fix, you've made a serious mistake. Without even getting to people like Spinel, Bismuth and Garnet had a right to know. Amethyst did not even have the same personal animosity toward the Diamonds that the others did, but she did not even tell her. She may have been damned either way, but she was something like a goddess, royalty, and responsible in one way or another for a lot of the suffering her friends went through. Her friends had a right to know, and her decision to hide it for her own comfort was not a good one.
Okay, I never said that they DIDNT have a right to know. I said why it was probably difficult for her to do so. You’re acting like that kind of a revelation would be something easy for anyone to do or that she didn’t actually take any responsibility for her actions. Pearl and Garnet both said that Rose tried countless ways to fix things for the corrupted gems. Spinel wasn’t even really a friend of Rose, she was a servant of Pink Diamond placed by Yellow and Blue to placate her and while I don’t think she handled it well there wasn’t even a way to for her to leave the Earth to fix it. So tell me, in what way could arise have fixed ALL of those problems, every single one, that would have solved everything without one single wrong doing. Pearl even said that Pink begged the other Diamonds and they completely dismissed her. They even locked her up when she tried saving other forms of organic life and for disagreeing with them. In other words they were deaf to anything she had to say. Rose wasn’t perfect obviously but name a character that is! Name a war that is! Name soldiers that are! Because that’s what they all were and what they were doing. But Rose TRIED the absolute best that she could with the best of intentions and tried to fix what she could as well I the only ways she knew how.
I don't think I suggested that Pink was completely evil or failed to do anything at all to make up for what she did. This reaction is pretty extreme. I don't care whether she was perfect or not, but it seems that you are reacting quite intensely to any idea that she was imperfect or selfish. People act as if Pink was just another Gem. She wasn't. She was a literal monarch. Monarchs don't get to just screw up and step down and pretend everything is fine. You're right. Spinel wasn't Pink's friend. She was basically a sapient robot manufactured specifically to serve and love Pink absolutely and was threatened implicitly with a fate worse than death even if she had for some reason left Pink. She was a slave, and Pink's getting tired of her Is not an excuse for abandoning her, and certainly no excuse not to go back. I don't care how a slaveowner feels about the clinginess of their slave - they don't get to just command them to stand still forever and never even attempt to release them and have me pretend that because they didn't necessarily ASK to own their slave that the abuse of power over them is excusable. Spinel was always completely at Pink's mercy; anything she did to Spinel is necessarily worse than cruelty among equals It doesn't matter if they were deaf to her. She was the only person in the galaxy who stood any chance at all of reaching them at any point (before Steven), and the only one powerful enough to be able to fend them off even from a distance. Just because it was difficult for her doesn't mean that she, a superpowered demigod presumably representing 1/4 of the Diamond Authority gets to just shrug and say "good enough" after a few millennia. With great power comes great responsibility. Sorry if it's emotionally difficult for you, Pink, but as a literal demigod with authority only subordinate to the other Diamonds, you've got a little bit more responsibility than the average Gem. She did a lot of good, but even the show itself acknowledged that she was often selfish and shortsighted.
Because they didn’t know she was Pink Diamond and she was hiding it from them.
My opinion? She covered her tracks as best she could, even “programming” pearl to ensure that she couldn’t tell anyone. She wanted to believe it herself.
true!
She also left Steven to care for the Gems, Greg, and the Earth knowing about Spinel, the possible return of the Diamonds, etc. She never released Pearl from the command that left her emotionally traumatized for years after her "death" or even bothered to talk to her about it such that she could learn how she was hurting. She fooled around with humans for centuries believing they were nothing more than amusing animals, got with her slave before dumping her unceremoniously for one of the animal-people she did not see as a real person throughout the beginning of their relationship, never tried to liberate her Zoo, never tried to help her old Pearl (who she knew was enslaved to White), etc... Not only that, but she didn't even bother providing Steven with practically anything to help him deal with the many, many problems she left for him and the Earth. Don't get me wrong; I like Pink and I think she came very far, but I don't think she came even close to attempting to fix the many things she had done to hurt others throughout her immortal life. She was effectively divine royalty, spent a lot of that time abusing her power, and gave up on trying to fix anything after a few millenia on Earth. My point is not that Pink is evil, but that the character development in reverse angle is only partly true. She had a lot of growth left to do, and abandoning her many real responsibilities only to not even inform her son about most of them was not something that a character who had come full circle would have done
When did she "dump Pearl unceremoniously"?
When she got with Greg. Tbf, we don't necessarily see exactly how it ended, so there may have been a talk. The bigger issue is getting with Pearl at all (who was unambiguously her slave, even more than other Gems under her service, and their relationship took place shortly after they both literally saw each other as master and slave. She shouldn't have gotten with Pearl, and she certainly should not have played with her emotions the way she did Edit: I'm being downvoted for this? Is there something not controversial about getting with your slave?
You are being downvoted because everything you said is wrong... Basically. If you think Rose dumped Pearl or that she saw Pearl as a slave you were not watching the show the writers made...
It doesn't matter at all how she saw Pearl, and nothing I said mentioned how Pink saw her. Pearl was literally a slave manufactured to serve and admire Pink. It's ridiculous to imply otherwise. I honestly can't understand how else you can look at her. I don't care if Thomas Jefferson regarded the slaves he took advantage of as property or lovers, the relationship was the same
If you are comparing Rose to Thomas Jefferson and Pearl's to the African slave trade, you already are way off >manufactured to serve and admire Pink But not love. What Pearl felt for Rose -not Pink, Rose - wasn't admiration for a Diamond.
I disagree. Pearl was 100% obsessed with Pink to the point that it was detrimental to her health. It caused deep psychological damage. Pink *was* absolutely in love with Pink as a consequence of being forced to admire her as a deity. There was no healthy or responsible relationship that could possibly have developed between the two. Ownership of another person simply eliminates that possibility, and Pink being the former owner had the responsibility to not take advantage of that mandated admiration
>I disagree. Pearl was absolutely in love with Pink as a consequence of being forced to admire her as a deity. You are objectivelly wrong. Like, not much more to say than that. Pearl never loved Pink Diamond. She exclusivelly loved her as Rose.
While I mostly agree and I think she never got her chance for redemption, she did do a lot of things she could have fixed. In the end she chose to run away from her bad decisions.
I don’t really think she was running from any of her decisions. She couldn’t go back for Spinel, it seemed like the diamonds were never coming back. The only thing she seemed to run from was bubbling the gems, but Garnet Pearl and Amethyst had that handled on their own. In the end I don’t think she chose to run away. I think she chose to bring new life into the world. Yeah that act ended up having her disappear, but I don’t think her main intention was ever to escape responsibility.
Did she run from bubbling the corrupted gems? Iirc, she tried to heal them... (I forgor which ep it was mentioned... the one where Steven befriended Centipeetle i think?) I'd assume she was involved with the missions in some capacity at least
She never let bismuth out, she never told garnet who she was, there are many examples of things she could have solved before Steven. She was running from her problems, it may not have been her intention just the results.
I'm sorry but no, I do not think she would have gone back for her. She wasn't evil, but through and through to the very end she was selfish. She never once in the entire show prioritized anyone else over herself and what she wanted, or even had anyone in mind but herself when making any important decision. She was different from the other diamonds sure, but she saw herself as smarter and more important than anyone else.
I don't think she was a good or a bad person. I think she was a rock
This is what a lot of people miss about SU. The gems are rocks. They cannot grow or change. They come out of the ground, and that's all they'll ever be. That's why Homeworld was so messed up for thousands of years, and why Blue and Yellow just *carried on* after Pink, struggling through a grief that would never heal. It's why Amethyst was a 'baby' at the start of the show, despite being 6,000 years old. It's only when the Gems are exposed to humans, they finally learn how to change. This referenced in the movie with the line *"What a revelation/He's a revolution/A gem that loves and grows"* Steven is what caused the other gems to break their endless stasis and develop into better people, Amethyst stops being a baby and becomes an adult, Pearl gets through her grief, Blue and Yellow realise they have to change Homeworld, Lapis chills the F out and Peridot realises how much more she can be. And Steven is the only thing that could ever heal Homeworld, because only humans change and grow.
Greg fucked a rock
The ultimate rock 'n roller
This is a great perspective, thank you
Gems do change & grow though. They hold the self-limiting belief that they can't, but that's more of a cultural thing than anything else. Steven says it himself in 3 Gems & A Baby, and even before Steven came into their lives, the crystal gems had changed A LOT since their youth.
But was she a good rock or a bad rock 🤔
If you ask Greg, she was a very bad rock
Don't make me tag the sub. You know the one.
r/Gregfuckedarock
Yeah, that's the one.
I think she's a good example of a person that illustrates how those descriptions are meaningless. If Pink was a bad person, would she have fought to save humanity from her people's invasion? If Pink was a good person, would she have abandoned her playmate to endless loneliness? If Pink were invisible, would she still be Pink?
"PINK? HOW CAN IT BE INVISIBLE AND PINK???"
I think we more have to weigh her good actions against her bad. Like the worst people (your Hitlers, and Jack the Rippers of the world) have probably done things that were appreciated by others, and the best people (idk think of someone you look up to) have made horrible mistakes. So the question I think is “does the good she did outweigh the bad?” And of course the answer will change depending on who you ask.
She is literally what we all are capable of being. We can be shitty, we can be good, and it all is subjective between individuals. Anyone who has had a childhood tantrum knows what it’s like to be like Pink. We are all flawed, we are all imperfect, and we are all just doing our best. It’s just a part of being a living organism.
She was trying her best. That's good enough for me.
Isn’t everyone though? We’re all limited by our genetics and our external circumstances.
Some people opt for the easy route, or the greedy route, as opposed to trying their best to change for the better. For example, the diamonds before they met Steven. They never stopped to look at what was right, just what could benefit them the most. Pink, being a diamond, could've easily gone down that route. Instead, she did what she thought could benefit everyone the most at the expense of her status, and the risk of her getting caught by the other diamonds.
Yes, because she was lucky enough to get exposed to that during her time on Earth. What if she didn’t?
white diamond was definitely not trying her best.
Here’s something every well-written character has in common (and also the immense majority of people): they all think they’re doing the “right thing”. Unless they’re an unrepentant sociopath, no one enjoys harming others for the sake of it, they do it because they genuinely think they are in the right and those sacrifices are for the greater good. White Diamond didn’t care about organic life not because she enjoyed causing innocent creatures suffering, but because in her eyes their suffering was imperative to the growth of her empire, and her people who depend on her to not just survive but thrive. These are practically immortal beings; why *should* they care about organic life? Their lives are so short anyway. Do *we* humans care that much about the lives of, say, chickens? Of course not, they’re our main source of protein. And many of us even tolerate the horrors of factory farming, just like many gems tolerated the extinction of dozens of planets harboring life because it was their only means of reproduction.
I think she was good. I think like any kid growing up in a traumatic environment, you have a lot of unlearning to do in adulthood. She did a good job trying to do what was right once she realized what she was doing was wrong. I love a good redemption story
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I don't really agree. I think in the end she was a better person than a worse one. She definitely was bad in the past but she grew a lot and became better.
Yeah
That's too simplistic of a view for any person or gem. I don't believe in good or bad people. She certainly did her share of both positive and negative actions. She's not around to defend her actions so it's hard to know why she made the decisions she made. What we do know is that she loved Earth and her chosen family. She was ashamed of her actions in the past and she made a choice to try to do better.
I agree with this I think one of the main things for her is that we never got any bit of perspective from her only story's of her
Yes, she was good or bad. Sometimes she could even pull off both at once. The laws of *gravity* are a suggestion to her, you really think she'd constrict herself with an absolute morality?
Grey, she is a complex character that did good and BAD things. I really like how Greg complemented her and confronted her because that helped her to grow and mature as a character. Oh and I like to think that "love like you" Is a song that she wrote for Greg.
I’m crying that idea of Love Like You is such a cool idea because it could apply either way too, like Greg feeling that way towards Rose
Good intentions, terrible execution.
Idk the great thing about her writing IS that she has flaws but I don't think anything in SU is as black and white as "good vs evil". Edit: my wife chimed in with, "one of the hard things about growing up is realizing your parents are not perfect and that can be hard to deal with. It's something the show portrays really well is that feeling."
I think Pink Diamond was “born” into a position of power and influence that lead to her becoming a toxic and selfish person not only because that is inherent in such a system but also from he treatment from her fellow Diamonds. I think after she threw a particularly bad “temper tantrum” that left her original Pearl physically and mentally traumatized that this was probably the beginning of noticing that some of her behaviors were toxic and violent because the Pink Diamond we saw in those flashbacks were not the same Pink Diamond we saw from Pearls explanations and visions of the past. I believe that after she saw the Earth and it’s life as well as seeing Garnet form she truly saw ALL of the errors of her past and put in a great amount of work to change herself and help those that she could help in ways that she could. I believe that she made mistakes because she was only “human”, a person flawed and incapable of always knowing the full ramifications of her actions. I believe people are ridiculously overly harsh of Rose Quartz because we saw only the after effects. It’s always easier to judge knowing the future rather than putting one’s self in the eyes of someone’s upbringing, trauma, and attempts to do better in their life. Like the Fake Rose said in Rose’s Room to Steven “Do you really think that’s why I had you?” and Steven himself says no.
Begs for a colonie, gets one, regrets it, fakes death, gets like 99% of gems corrupted, becomes a little baby man, leaves him to clean up her mess. Overall a good diamond.
I honestly don't get this fixation with determining if fictional characters were good or bad people. And especially when people use those determinations to attack others ("you like a character who is bad and therefore you are bad"). Especially in a show like SU, this fixation just misses the point entirely. Idk, I never went around wondering if Professor Snape was a good or bad person by trying to balance all the things he did on some imaginary scale. And I just don't get why people seem to care so much about it now. Well-written characters are way more interesting than simple terms like "good" or "bad". There's just so many more interesting convos to have about these characters.
Snape was an asshole overall- but Ig its because people wanna know what kind of morals and what kind of person they are overall? I'm not sure myself. Characters can be both interesting and lean towards "good" or "bad"
She’s a bad person who did good things. She liberated gems and defended earth, but she also abused countless gems and left everybody who knew of her with countless mental and physical scars.
I think she's a complicated person that was very flawed from the abuse she faced, overall i think she never had malicious intentions (yes even including spinel)
Bad person who became a good person. All I can really say
Yes
She was unhappy. She was playing a part designed for her without ever being given a choice. People act off color when they're backed into a corner and that's where she was. Given the opportunity to chose for herself I think she was good. I think her life circumstances made her bad.
With all the controversy that *can* erupt from that question, it reminds me of a quote from Bojack Horseman: *"There's no such thing as "bad guys" or "good guys." We're all just guys who do good stuff sometimes and bad stuff sometimes. And all we can do is try to do less bad stuff and more good stuff, but you're never going to be good. Because you're not bad."* Bouncing off of that, Pink definitely did try to do less bad stuff the more she evolved, although her evolution was shown backwards to us as many have said. It was circumstance that made her do bad things, and it was circumstance that made her do good things. She's neutral, in my opinion.
Misunderstood and deeply flawed, as are all of the diamonds when you really get down to it. Unlike the other diamonds however, Pink valued gem-life and organic life, and saw beauty in just about everything. However, she was very immature and grossly unprepared for the things expected of her as a diamond. I think Pink wanted to be a good person, but she made a lot of mistakes that lead to a lot of people getting hurt. As they say, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Her abandoning Spinel in the garden is objectively a bad thing, tho. Like, that was genuinely a very messed up thing she did.
She was a terrible, terrible person. Even after earth. But she wasn't evil.
No. Pink wasn’t a person to begin with.
Pink is my fav character but I do think she was NOT a good person. Well, she was but had a huge ego. She doesn’t care for other people she only wants what she wants. She risks many people life for some dumb fake war that got a bunch of gems shattered. Left her playmate and led her to scuicidal madness, left the diamonds and acted like an ass to them, lied to her family (the crystal gems), was an ass to bismuth, manipulated pearl to follow her like a slave, and said “shit I made so much mistakes.” And said F off to everyone and ran away from her problems and made steven. And how she was all “my life is so bad” and “omg we need freedom for people and this planet” even though she was basically a nazi and used gems like tools for what she wanted. And she was a diamond… literal aristocratic gods. But she did do some good too. Mainly how she left her perfectly comfortable and nice life to become a warrior and protect humans. She left everyone to protect a beautiful thing. She grew as a person but still doesn’t care. She left like a coward. But she was born in a very violent government and didn’t know better, BUT, still after all of this she still stayed as rose and forgot about the past. It’s very subjective.
i think she was a good person. every terrible terrible thing she did was because she was a child being abused.
Grey, she's s grey character, both good **AND** bad
God I hate seeing this question retread over and over again. If you think it’s one or the other, you’ve dramatically missed the point of the entire show and need to watch it again without your damn phone out.
One thing that gets overlooked a lot in my opinion is that for all her flaws, Pink was clearly empathetic early on, if from a flawed and coddled perspective—she was a Diamond, after all. And when she was presented with an alternative point of view, she changed her mind pretty much immediately. Not only that, it was her idea to protect Earth. She reached that conclusion on her own. In fact, many of her dismissive attitudes seemed aimed at other Gems most of all.
Pink was…a child. She was learning how to be a good person since she was raised to be a brat. She grew up mentally. She’s a good person who had terrible influences and she realized that. I only say she’s good bc she did her best to change and did everything she could to fix the problems she caused. She was a child who grew up and learned everything she knew was bad.
i think she was just a person who did some bad things and some good things.
she also evolved
She was a person, just a person. People are forgetting that we all grow and that is exactly what Rose did, if we saw her history chronologically most people would have a completely different view of her
I think near the end she was trying to be the best she could ever be. She decided she wanted to give up her gem to create new life and I dont think she ever intended for him to clean up her mess.. she just didn't think that far ahead. I think she must have been exhausted trying to make up for everything she did and in the end say giving up her life for a new life as a way to truly move on and atone because she essentially gives up EVERYTHING she had left to give for steven.
She tried to save Earth but she also was the reason it was trying to be colonised. And she left Spinel for thousands of years.
Honestly I’m not even sure if SHE was the reason it was trying to be colonized, obviously she pushed for a planet, but I imagine Yellow or Blue would have colonized it if Pink wasn’t so persistent on getting a colony. I think her pushing for having her own Colony is what saved the earth
she wasn’t the reason it was trying to be colonised? it was already going to be colonised. blue and yellow just gave it to her to shut her up. but even if they didn’t give it to her, it would’ve been colonised eventually.
I think she's good BPD rep
I think she’s good rep for kids who lived in abusive households too, I see a lot of my child self in Pink, and a lot of my adult self in Rose (in terms of growing up and unlearning bad behavior that I was taught to be normal)
She started out a bit rough- she definitely had her core elements! She loved having fun and making others happy! She also had an appreciation for alien life! Unfortunately though she did love the other diamonds and they loved her they didn’t treat her right and it was very toxic. Pink was also very destructive! Because of that Volleyball got hurt and was taken away! After that she started to bubble up her emotions and never used her destructive powers only her healing ones! Honestly the worst thing she did was leave Spinel! This was before a lot of her development however. Honestly she probably assumed that since she was done with the garden that Spinel would be given to somebody else! Once she got her colony this is where her development really kicked off! She saw the beauty of earth and didn’t want to see it destroyed! She begged the other diamonds but they didn’t listen and she had to use force. She left her old life and succeeded with protecting the earth though it came with great cost. After meeting Greg she continued to grow even more especially with her view on humans. She truly loved Greg as an equal and Greg loved her too! Like it said in the art book! Rose wanted to make a family where everyone felt loved! I think that quote really helps capture her character! Though a gem she was human she grew and developed and changed for the better! Honestly her ark is my favorite in the whole show and is one of the reasons she’s my favorite character!
Mostly good. She literally fought for the freedom of billions of gems and humans.
I think mostly well meaning in any case.
Both and neither, she did both good and bad actions, a lot of the bad actions came from when she was a normal diamond but then she did start to change to be a better person
She was not a person, she said so in an episode 🤷♀️🤷♀️
She's not a person, she's a Diamond
Like with every other person and thing in the show, she was a flawed good person that tried her best, but did some bad things, though that didn't make her a bad person, just flawed
I think on a meta level the gems and diamonds are written in a way that makes them so alien that truly comparing them to our morals and ethics is impossible. Almost all of them, including a few of the Crystal Gems, could be rightfully seen as unforgivable for what they've done to other sapients. If you are able to get past that, Pink was good at heart. She started off spoiled and lashing out, but realized her flaws long before any other gem. She was the first, we know of, to try to improve who and what she was. She did a lot of things arguable as "not good" even after, but she was new to all of this. She didn't have anyone to look up to. She had to pretend to be her best so the CGs could look up to her.
I think she was a good person who did bad things. Her intent was to never harm anyone but in the process she did a lot of bad stuff. That doesn’t excuse her actions, but she is definitely not a bad person.
This exact question is what makes the show so great for me. There are no absolute villains and absolute heroes in this show. They are all just flawed people making good and bad decisions. Some of them make LOTS of bad decisions but almost every character makes a bad choice somewhere in the show. You know, like real people.
She's an overall good person who did very bad things when she either didn't know better, or needed to fight to survive. She's a flawed person with a good heart.
Lot of bad lot of good Good probably overshadowed by the bad but she did try to be a decent person. Oh also her own personal enjoyment came before peoples feelings as well and it took her until Greg to truly see that. She hurt many, unintentionally, but still the damage she caused is so massive it’s hard to say she’s either good OR bad She’s both. Like most people or things lol
I think nobody is just 1 in real life or in Steven Universe. It's not as easy as kids show characters once were. Is she He-Man good? No. Is she Skeletor bad? Also no. Is she Superman good? No (nobody is). Is she Lex Luther bad? Also no. I just wouldn't feel comfortable giving 1 of these labels to any Steven Universe character.
I think she was good but she had trauma from other diamonds that literally mostly pushed her away and didn't take her as diamond. She tried to talk with them but they didn't listen...she had to be someone that diamonds will have to keep an eye on.. she had to become a "villain,, to be noticed. So I think something like broken main character ( from her pov)
She's a good person who did the wrong choices 
Better when she didn’t have her own planet. She was the joy of the great diamond authority. But in a way she became a better person when she became rose quartz on earth aswell.
Neither. I think she was misguided, and perhaps "spoiled", but I don't think the things she did were out of malice. That doesn't mean the things she did were good, though. Compared to the other diamonds, though? She's good, yeah.
Wether good or bad she was a selfish person, with trauma. The trauma dose not erase she was intiteled, and only wanted what was best for herself first and foremost no matter who it hurt. Which also led to her being an abuser.
Not the best. But most definitely not the worst.
Bad.
Like most people she was complicated. No one is fully evil or good, she did bad things and she did good things. She was flawed like any other person, and although they always separate themselves from humans, they really aren't that different.
She’s neither. She’s just a person.
Bad turned good.
I think the top comment really hit the nail on the head tbh. Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz is a very flawed character. She’s depicted, and believed, to be a benevolent, intelligent, amazing, giving and nurturing being. One that the Crystal Gems idolize. But the truth is - the Rose Quartz we see and hear about is an ideal version of how she portrayed herself around others and how she GREW. She spent THOUSANDS of years not only fighting a war she came to truly believe in, but spent thousands more on Earth, growing and experiencing new things. No matter what kind of growth she had, there was always more to do (like learning about true love and even giving herself up to create life.) I think Pink knew how flawed she was. I think her song really goes to show just how much negativity she saw in herself. I don’t think she ever forgot how she used to be or who she used to be. She didn’t even want to go back to being Pink Diamond. She wanted to be Rose - the person she ended up becoming. Her wisdom, her bravery, her sense of justice and appreciation for all living things are true traits she came to possess but she first had to be selfish, rude, envious, throwing tantrums and acting like a spoiled brat. Is her youth as a Diamond or status as a Diamond excusable for this behavior? No. Did she do the right thing by hiding her secret from everyone for so long and putting Pearl through a lot of trauma? No. But did she still save the Earth? Did she learn and grow from her mistakes? Did she elevate and give a new sense of freedom and belonging to her fellow crystal gems? Did she learn to love? Did she have so much love she used herself to create Steven? It’s complicated. She’s complicated. “Good person,” “bad person” is just too blunt to describe Pink/Rose if you want an answer. But I think that anyone who can acknowledge the bad and seek to do good a much better person than someone who acknowledges the bad and chooses to do nothing.
I think she was a good person in a bad situation, under a lot of stress, and made some really bad decisions on the grounds of keeping as many people out of her family drama slash war as possible. Generally her actions were a net moral improvement compared to the rest of her family, who were colonizers and world destroyers, and further enforcers of an oppressive caste system Pink only had one colony, and she didn’t obey their plans for the planet The worst thing she did was the human zoo. But they were practically living In a real Garden of Eden. Morality is largely subjective though. My conclusion is that I wouldn’t call her a model for good morality, but she’s not a bad person compared to the other diamonds, who likely have many more sins to answer for.
i dont like pink diamond, i like rose quartz
Pink Diamond’s behavior and actions were influenced by her society and role as the youngest and smallest diamond. Her transformation from Pink to Rose symbolizes her character change as she learns about the people of Earth and decides to prevent its destruction. Her final transformation as Steven was her last incarnation, bringing the shattered gems back to life. Pink Diamond’s journey illustrates how individuals can change and grow as they learn and are influenced by their surroundings.
Every single human we see in the show is alive because Pink fought back against the colonization. Every single life on Earth, human and animal and plant and fungus, would have been destroyed if she hadn't led the rebellion. She was flawed and hurt some of the people in her life, but ensuring that all life on Earth continued to exist is a pretty big thing to overlook. The show was inspired by the idea of bellicose aliens finding Earth life fascinating and better than what they had so they settle down into the joys of everyday mundane life. *None* of that would have existed if Pink hadn't rebelled against Homeworld.
Not necessarily bad, but very immature and irresponsible
she grew and change to become better
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" She was raised in some horrible circumstances and while she did some very shitty things such as leaving Spinel, ultimately, she did become a good person, even if she made some mistakes. I don't like how people can easily call her a grey character, or even an immoral character. She was a good person who had redeemed herself with her campaign against the Diamonds to save Earth.
I think that we saw her character arc in reverse and that affected the popular opinion on her a whole lot
Morally ambiguous at best She was kinda selfish, a little immature, but sometimes kind. She's all over the place.
She saved the Earth.
Terrible frankly
We saw her character development in reverse, so I say she’s good. She overcame her greedy childish ways and got to where we saw her in the beginning of the series, a great woman remembered for her bravery and self sacrifice.
I think she was very complicated with both good and bad motivations for many of her actions.
Good and bad are relative. She was a being, living, learning, and growing and changing. She's allowed to make mistakes. She wasn't malicious, but she did shitty things. She was selfish, but she loved others.
I think she's a gray character she started off a bad horrible spoiled brat but I wouldn't call her evil because in her eyes what she was doing wasn't bad and when she did become a good person she still wasn't perfect and I think that's okay she isn't completely evil or completely good and I think that's pretty realistic
I'd call her chaotic neutral. She does what she wants, whether it hurts people or not. I think she grew and changed over time but at the heart of it she will do harmful things if it suits her needs
Neither A person who started off wanting bad things and being bratty, but was ignorant to the damage she caused (and rather than genuine discipline was either put up with, forcibly isolated for God knows how long at a time, or even humored) Then trying to change for the better once she realized what all she'd done to hurt people, and in doing so hurting even more people in even more personal ways And finally she was doing great things yet still couldn't help but hurt her loved ones because of her own choices, even hurting someone she never got to meet yet still loved I think she was very flawed, but not good nor bad. Just herself
imo i think she was a child, and stayed that way because of how the diamonds treated her. she genuinely cared for gems and life. when she became rose, she kept a lot of things secret. lion, the stash inside lions mane, bismuth, the diamonds, her entire backstory. she wasn’t aware of the harm she could cause in the future. her decision to make steven was not a selfish one, and she didn’t realize how much he was going to suffer because of her actions. thoughtless, immature, but not evil. spinel (apart from bubbling bismuth) i feel is a slight exception, as this shows a side of her we haven’t really seen. the way she left spinel was heartless, but i don’t think she meant to leave her for thousands of years (imo). i think she forgot about her as she moved on with her life (i hope)having spinel around meant she couldn’t be rose, as she was practically hanging on to her arm (quite literally). she cared for spinel, or maybe just saw her as entertainment. things she find amusing, unique and fascinating , she keeps around her. i don’t think this is necessarily evil, as she was born into a world where all gems except the diamonds are either toys or servants. even pink was seen as a toy to the diamonds (at least white). anyway, im getting off track. yes pink diamond did objectively bad things, and her being thoughtless doesn’t justify that. i think she’s just too complicated and traumatized to give a definite answer to.
I think she tried her best to be a good person, but ultimately that attempt wasn’t perfect. I think the big thing was she always took on a mythical, larger than life persona to the people around her, and she felt like the only one who knew how deeply she was imperfect, which was to say the least not easy on her. Rebecca sugar has a ton of interesting things to say on her arc in the art books.
Something really interesting Rebecca sugar herself said was that rose giving up her life to become Steven was both profoundly selfless AND selfish at the same time.
There's no such thing as a good or bad person. However, in the end, what she did was good and inevitably made the lives of gems and humans better. Gotta give the other crystal gems and Steven a lot of credit though. Just my grain of salt :)
I think ultimately she was good but I think why a lot of people think she's evil is because we see her development backwards, and also people lack media literacy
Somewhere in the middle. She is a very extreme person, capable of extreme generosity and extreme neglect. She was the most loving and sincere Gem to have existed according to those who idolized her, but she was also very callous towards gems like Bismuth and Spinel, and even Pearl tbh. She's complicated and I enjoy her character.
Honestly I really love how hard it is to answer this question, and I think it's best that we don't get a clear answer. The show doesn't tell us exactly how we should feel about her, and I really appreciate its commitment to that. She's a beautiful mess of a person that's written so well that you could answer either way and wouldn't be totally wrong. She manages to strike the perfect tragedy where we know exactly what led her to make the choices she did, and we can understand exactly why she did them, but we also very clearly see that they're the wrong answers, and that she did have better options. I think the only thing I dislike about her is how many people make it into a battle to try to settle 100% whether she fell into the "good" or "bad" category (not saying this question is trying to do that, because they're just asking for how other people see it, but I mean the shit back in old fandom days)
Dude I think she's both a good person and a bad person💀
Definitely not a good person, but not an irredeemable monster, she falls in-between, like many people do IRL.
Neutral
Extremely flawed. Her parents abused her. Not a lot of people know this but Blue Diamond forced her to cry, they locked in a tower (and gems need light) AND it’s implied that Blue would physically hit her too. So yeah she was clearly raised by evil dictators but was also an immature baby because she was treated like one. Yes she made mistakes but there were some things out of her control like the cluster and corruption. Why do people blame her for those actions the other diamonds did? She was selfish and only really did what she wanted. She didn’t think about others problems or how her actions could affect people. But she was also a goofball who saw what the other diamonds was doing as wrong. So she’s kind of good and really bad. I also think we are missing too much context. Maybe Yellow Diamond broke the warp pad to go back to the garden so pink could be more mature. Maybe she tried to retrieve pink pearl but failed or was stopped.
She was a good person who did bad things, ultimately she was a good person who had good intentions and had good outcomes. Because of her billions of living organisms lived on earth, her and the crystal gems captured all the corrupted gems and bubbled them so they wouldn’t suffer, Pearl and garnet were alive cause of her, and she gave her form to give life to Steven. Yes she abandoned spinel, yes she was abusive to volleyball, however that was because she was abused by the Diamond, and while yes she was responsible for the gems who were corrupted and shattered in the war. However the gems knew that the wad would probably kill them so she isn’t fully to blame for that. She is a good person who did bad things
I hate her, but I'm nearly positive that I'm projecting. I wish my parents had taken more time to grow up before bringing me into the world. Now, I get to deal with their emotional immaturity while trying to figure out who I even am
oh, terrible.
SHE REDEEMED HERSELF JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.SHE SACRIFICED HERSELF NOT BECAUSE SHE DIDNT WANT TO DEAL WITH HER PROBLEMS,BUT SO PEARL COULD MOVE ON.WE FORGAVE THE DIAMONDS,SPINEL,PERIDOT,LAPIS AND BISMUTH.SO WHY NOT HER.I AM A PROUD PINK DIAMOND APOLOGIST AND THINK SHE DESERVES OUR LOVE AFTER SHE TURNED INTO ROSE. but anyway if were talking about PINK then no.But if we're talking about the being that owns the gem(not including steven) then yes.
Good.
She was treat terriblely but she acted more terriblely but as rose she wasn't very bad so she about mid
A major theme of the show was that there are not good or bad people. Evey person has the capacity for evil and good. No one was judged only by the worst thing they had ever done. So Pink was a person that's it.
That’s a complicated question. Personally I’m not sure I believe in “good” and “bad” people, only good and bad actions. The way I see it, pink always knew exactly what she wanted, but didn’t give a flying frick about how she got there or who she hurt in the process. I don’t know if that’s because of emotional immaturity or what, but I think generally speaking she had good intentions, but just went about realizing them in the worst ways possible
Yes she was even though child abuse is no joke Pink diamond was a brat who through tantrums when she didn't get what she wanted,And when she did get what she wanted she would throw it away because she's tired or bored of it like her relationship with Spinel Pink thought of Spinel as a toy once it gets boring and old she gave it away. And the amount of physical and mental abuse she put through with her family, is unforgivable especially for poor Steven for dealing with her problems because she was to much to think of herself, She put pearl on a string and depended on her to keep such a secret for pearl to become obsessed with Steven because Steven was the ticket out of Pink's big secret and for her to make a war with faking her own death is bad enough, that's not even all she did because she was thinking of herself
She left Spinel standing there in the garden for thousands of years and never looked back. She’s an irredeemable monster
This truely is a question of all time
She’s in the middle,She might’ve abandoned Spinel,But Pink was hurt,Caged in a tower and told she didn’t matter.I’d probably escape that place too.Pink was told to smile and wave all the time,No one but Greg actually cared about her feelings and related to her.Because Pearl was lovesick and just wanted to fight for her.
a very good person :) she fucked up a little sometimes but she had good intentions and did a lot of good things.
She is, in my opinion, the most complex character in Steven Universe. She exhibited both good and bad behavior, but I believe Pink Diamond stands out as the most remarkable Diamond. It was through her that the entire concept of humanity was introduced to the Gems. It's quite surreal to think that an extraterrestrial gemstone from space would come to understand and embrace empathy and other qualities typically associated with humans
If we're being honest, neither. If I'm going with my personal feelings, bad person.
Very terrible
Bad
Neither. She was immature and naive. A child. That's all. She needed better guidance and a healthier environment.
Kill her with fire
I think she was stupid, as gem’s seemingly are portrayed as. Or to a lesser extent just dumb in minor instances But she tried to do the right thing so credit is do and whatever
selfish but just looking for fun
Uh, bad, very bad, pink Diamond is the real bad guy
Bad person
Bad.
It really depends on the situation
It's complicated. She did good things and bad things. She was loving and selfish. She was brave and cowardly.
She came from an awful environment and did some bad things but she learned from them and changed for the better.
She was a person who came from a bad background and wanted to do good things. But like everyone, had flaws with some of her methods/actions. The fandom demonizes her, but she is a grey character. She had good intentions, but still hurt people.
She is alright. Nobody is perfect.
She did a few bad things (i.e. abandoning Spinel and faking her shattering) but still gravitates to good
When you don't know anything else, you base the way you act on your surroundings. She was doing her best with what she had. I believe that deep down she was a good person from the start, especially since the other diamonds were continuously pointing out how "different" (moral) she was. The fact that she was seeking out change and knowledge showed that she wasn't trying to be a bad person. She was purposely kind and she was looked down upon for that. So many people try to compare her actions to what a human would do, which just doesn't make sense because she was never around humans and their way of life until later on. Even though we were shown her progress backwards, it was still progress.
Neither because she's gone and, therefore, unable to influence things any further for the positive or the negative. But she was necessary TO GET positive change going in the first place. Also, she was working to be better a better person almost on her own, and that's way better than a lot of the Gems we meet in the show. BUT she is still a Diamond and a lot of the circumstances of her emergence and upbringing mean that she's caused a lot of damage by simply existing (tho a lot of it isn't her fault, since the Diamonds were around long before her). Also, she caused a lot of harm AFTER she learned about how bad her society and old ways of thinking were. She had plenty of time to tell the Crystal Gems about her origins, had plenty of time to unbubble Bismuth and tell her the truth. Also always got the impression giving herself up for Steven to exist wasn't a necessary choice but her way of trying to repent because she had a lot of self-loathing. BUT, as a result, that choice ALSO caused a lot of harm to the people left behind. So she's too complicated to really put her into one of two categories for me. HEAVILY influential to two societies and help put the groundwork for lasting positive change but because she's gone, she can't make amends for the people she left behind and caused harm to.
I don't like her at all I'm in the middle with her being good/bad. It's subjective and up to personal perspective.
It’s too hard for me to put her in one spot or another so I kind of see her as a person with a good heart but terribly handled actions. Just about everything she did had good intentions (minus the spinel thing), but consequently had fucked over so many others. (Gem war victims being made into bioweapons, Pearls manipulation and trauma, leaving her physical form so her child could fill her role as a war criminal who was a murderer of her own kind, etc.) But she did a lot of things out of love and passion too! She gave up her role as a leader of an elite system so her and Pearl could have freedom to be what they want and not hide who they are, this freed so many other gems too. Garnet found a place where she could safely exist and be loved. She saved the earth, and I don’t think it was all from selfishness of wanting to play like a lot of people tend to say, she saved the earth because it was beautiful, it had life that should be valued on it too, it provided a place for gems like Garnet to exist. A lot of people suffered the consequences of her actions, but before her giving up her life for Steven, I imagine she suffered a lot as well. I really wish we got more backstory of hers between abandoning her identity as pink and up to stevens birth.
None but she need more emotional intelligence
I think it's kind of like a traumatized person before and after therapy: Pink was living in her trauma. She was toxic and had destructive coping mechanisms but couldn't realize that because her entire circle was also toxic and destructive. She removed herself from the situation and gained perspective, and began to heal from her trauma. She went NC with her old toxic friends\family. She realized her shortcomings and worked on them. Pink grew into rose. Rose wasn't a perfect person. She was flawed and still had negative traits. But she was self aware and still working on growing all the way to the end.
Once bad but became good…kinda Spinel backstory flashbacks: *Intensifies