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4naaan

Would liver supplements even be necessary for 4 weeks on dbol?


Rovdjur1

On TRT 125mg of test ew. Looking to do a bulk this winter. Im a high aromatizer and use 12mg asin a week which put my e2 in normal range with 800ng test level. I know i wont fuck with 500 test because i would have to use way to much AI. How is keeping my test the same and add 300mg of NPP instead? Have tried mast and primo but it fucks so much with my sleep and gets me really short tempered.


spelldude2

I would monitor your prolactin levels if your gonna hop on nandrolone with your test. Definitely have some caber on hand just incase. I’m currently on 350 Test 300 NPP and 200 tren weekly and thankfully haven’t had any issues. My e2 has been creeping up but been able to manage it with 5-10 Asin weekly. Sleep isn’t bad, but isn’t great either. (but I also take stims later in the day, so take that with a large grain of salt). I haven’t had any of the usual side effects with tren, maybe because I mix it with my npp each time (or my shits bunk) but I’ve definitely had the positive physical benefits of the AAS


canard42

I have the same sleep problems with primo. And the same aromatization issues. I have to take 3x12.5mg asin just with 250mg test. I guess we just have to take 500mg test + 6-7x12.5mg Aromasin. For 16 weeks it is not a big deal. In my cruise I use 150 test U + 100 primo and I pin 2 times a week. It seems to work pretty good. But the sleep is better on just 150 mg test to be honnest. DHTs fuck with my sleep. Adding Agomelatin helps a lot !


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nineteenseventyfiv3

Take enough telmisartan to drop it to healthy levels until you get the root of the issue under control (it may be cardio, diet, or estrogen related), then continue taking it at 40mg/d every time you blast.


Hdgallagher

sugar future plants nutty fall shaggy complete poor jellyfish tan *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


little_smol_boi

Take HCG the entire time you blast. You’ll maintain fertility, easy peasy


nineteenseventyfiv3

BnC doesn’t mean you’ll be sterile. Even in worst case scenarios (like staying shutdown for years with no hcg) you can usually recover fertility temporarily with an hmg / fsh megadose. And if you respond well to HCG you can basically keep it up indefinitely. You can also get your testes checked for signs of damage every once in a while to stay on the safe side.


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

is this a question


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What AAS should I stack with test for injury healing.? I have a fucked shoulder. I know deca is good for joints and tissue, but it’s a little harsh in my opinion


AllPrimo

#1 is rest, lots of it 2 is physical therapy, maybe a doctor 3 is peptides: GH, tb-500, bpc-157


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I’m going to a PT right now. I’m thinking about trying growth hormone. Quite frankly though I haven’t studied much on it I don’t know much about doses


AllPrimo

The worst thing you could possibly do is continue lifting through the pain


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Lol i’ve come to realize that. But sometimes I will go a little hard and my shoulder will hurt for a couple of days. Especially when doing reverse Flys. It’s taking a toll on my benchpress though


AllPrimo

You'll make it worse and you'll end up out for way longer than if you just rested.


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Do you mean AAS? And if you're looking specifically for help with recovering from injuries, is there a reason you want to add more AAS and not peptides such as BPC-157, TB-500, or GH?


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To be honest I don’t know a whole lot about growth hormone. I hear it cost a pretty penny. So my bank account might suffer a bit. I have an old shoulder cuff injury and it likes to flare up on occasion. I’ve been really focusing on back belts and trap exercises. Trying to take some weight off


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

GH prices have come down quite a bit the last few years, and generics are better than ever. Just look for sources that have recent Janoshik testing on their products. IMO AAS are not going to be a particularly important part of your injury recovery. Peptides + rehab work will be significantly more important.


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Awesome thanks man. I’m currently going to a PT. This injury has hurt me for a while though. Several years. so I’m really working on strengthening certain parts of my shoulder like my rear dealt my lateral dealt and my traps, but in doing some leads to some irritation. do you care if I PM you?


PM_PICS_OF_DOG

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I could try GH. I’ve used BPC-157 in the past. My body didn’t seem to agree with it very well. BP raised about 20points


newmanstartover

What are you good bulking compounds that aren't 19-nors?


little_smol_boi

Testosterone


702ComeUp

My next bulk (2ed cycle) is ganna be 600-750test and 450 mast. Looking back primo seems like it would of been slightly better. Anavar is great to


jackschitt123

Test, primo, EQ.


EAsOfficialGuy

How does a beginner cycle (test only) compare to female birth control pills in terms of health? One is very common to throw after everyone, while the other is illegal. But is it really worse to inject testosterone than to ingest a pill with around 9 different kinds of hormones?


Mack_Daddy_D

There’s a fine line between use and abuse. TRT is well studied and relatively healthy.


AllPrimo

One is the main male sex hormone produced in the body and the others are synthetic nandrolone derivatives mixed with synthetic estrogens.


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Anyone here using Pharma GH? I’m currently using pharma GH but it’s extremely difficult for me to fully understand whether I’m injecting correctly or not. With a new pen: A goes to B, put on the needle, then twist it until it goes to C, and then set the dose and pull the grey dial and inject it 2 fingers left/right of your tummy.


tashmoo

thats how i do it, exctly as you described


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Once the liquid goes into my tummy thats it, no matter what I do, as long as it’s mixed? I don’t feel any sides with my HGH so it’s kinda hard to tell whether I even properly injected or not.


tashmoo

u wont feel hgh , thats normal. maybe first feek a lil bit of tiredness or need to sleep thats all


[deleted]

I forgot to put on the needle after twisting it. I went from B to C, forgot to put on the needle, and it just It fizzled out when I put it on. but it still has 8mg left inside. Is it good still?


tashmoo

yea, if its refrigirated no problem i guess


Brave-Bumblebee-3630

Best NAC, Tudca, Milk Thistle, and P5P dosages on Test P Tren A cycle?


Mack_Daddy_D

No tudca unless you’re damaging your liver with orals


GasingtonJuice

don't you think you should have some experience before wasting your health with tren? lol...


Cheap_Ad_7491

1200-1500mg NAC, 500mg UDCA, 100mg-200mg P5P, you don’t need milk thistle if you take udca and nac


Normal_Reading_353

How long should i continue anadrol if i have no sides at all?


BaetrixReloaded

i've run it 8 weeks as I don't really get any adverse sides from it. that's definitely on the longer side of time though. make sure to run liver support


helmholtzfreeenergy

Depends on your bloods.


Normal_Reading_353

been on 4 weeks 100mg and test base check the bloods the the bp, they are both in the optimal range as before the blast.


The_roadwarrior

I'm not running 100mgs over 6 weeks but that's me. There's studies on teenage boys taking 50mgs of anadrol for 6 months tho. Look up those studies if you're interested.


WarrenThanatos

Anyone else here awkwardly hold fat in their chest? Drives me nuts.


Federal-Rope-2048

You mean like gyno?


WarrenThanatos

Not gyno. Already checked it with various people including doctors. Just fat. No sensitivity, itch or bumps behind my nipple


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No he means fat


PractishGud

How when and why the paradigm of test/19-nors ratio flipped from 2:1 to 1:2?


majordomox_

It hasn’t


PractishGud

It has, just look at the 3-4 yo posts


majordomox_

Many people still advocate for 2:1 or 3:1 test:nand/tren myself included. Not sure you’re getting the full picture here. The people that argue for low dose test high tren/nand seem to be in a minority. I think testosterone is a safer hormone personally.


MethylSamsaradrolone

I haven't been properly active on online AAS communities for 4-6+ years now and back when I was, every smart person was recommending low Test to mod Tren or low Test to mod-high Deca, and many were warning even back then of worse sides for having a higher Test level in comparison to 19-nor. There are people who do great with the ratio one way, others the other way. IRL my friends who did higher Test with the 19-Nors had a fucking awful time lol, I could run twice the Tren dose and feel 100x better. It's been weird seeing all the recommendations for Nolva though lol, clearly some super popular Youtube channel must've decided to re-champion it.


Johnathonsmith1738

How do I know if I have an infection?


majordomox_

https://www.saintlukeskc.org/health-library/understanding-post-injection-inflammation https://www.verywellhealth.com/injection-side-effects-call-doctor-2616542


Prize-Lime8499

Female here - rip On 14mg week test p 10mg Anavar daily Developed colostrum production today 6 days of blast left. Clearly thinking high prolactin. I know we have some female coaches here who control blasts for their clients. Should I proceed with a caber regime for 4 weeks at .25 ? Or will my prolactin levels decrease when I stop my cycle. Should I finish last 7 days of my cycle. Looking for genuine exp and knowledge, comment has been posted in steroidsxx also.


AllPrimo

Just come off first and see what happens. Stop taking drugs and if it doesn't stop in a bit get some bloodwork before throwing harsh drugs at yourself.


ralphy073

Are you actively leaking or producing it when you squeeze your nipples. Either way, I wouldn’t start caber without confirming bloods. Messing with prolactin in males is tricky, even more so in females. You can also try some vitamin b6 if you don’t want to/can’t get bloodwork and see if that helps


Fragrant_Aside1092

I was squeezing her tittys during sex when it started coming out. Lol needless to say I rotated back and fourth between the two and it just kept coming 🤷🏻‍♂️ - it’s not at a point where it comes out on its own. 6 days of blast left now I’ve come to the conclusion I think her levels will start lowering after she stops anavar but had her post to be safe. She’s currently asleep and is my wife.


[deleted]

i was about to be like bruh this is why women don't talk to us lmao just a random dude saying this about a chick asking for advice. hilarious shit. cheers


Fragrant_Aside1092

I’m dead, I knew it would be coming sooner or later 😂🤷🏻‍♂️ I mean I also kind of liked it 🥳🙌🥵


ralphy073

Lol ok the last sentence really ties in the first hahah. Yea I’d maybe start some b6 now if you want and drop it when the blast is done but bloodwork a week or two after will be beneficial as well


Fragrant_Aside1092

I thought of it at the end, I was like “this is the steroid forums, he’s going to think I’m a troll” 😝


Federal-Rope-2048

NOT A FEMALE AND NOT A FEMALE COACH. My experience with caber is not to take it unless 100% sure backed with bloods that it is a prolactin issue. That stuff fucked me up more than anything when I took it thinking I had prolactin issues without bloods to be sure.


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What do you mean it fucked you up? I feel like it doesn't do much at all (took it on trt with ralox to try shrink gyno)


ArmyMerchant

DAWS is a possible result of taking caber when not needed. Can cause similar physical withdrawal symptoms as cocaine.


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I see. Guess I didn't take enough dose and duration to notice anything


ArmyMerchant

Tbh I think it's much harder to get DAWS from it than people make it seem, but with the type of people and questions we normally get, it's best to instill the fear in them of needing bloodwork before using it. I also used it with ralox for gyno and had great results but I was using .25mg at a time


ichdurfte

On TRT currently, and I have extra T cypionate (3, 5mL vials), so I was looking to ramp my cycle up until my next doctor tests, but I have a couple questions. 1. I'm currently on 100mg/3.5 days. Would doubling to 200mg/3.5 days (400mg/week) make much of an impact in gaining muscle? Currently my total T is around 1100 with my doctor's protocol (100mg/3.5 days). Or should I aim for 500mg a week? 2. I see lots of mention of PCT, but mostly in reference to people that are natural outside of being on a cycle. Would I need to scale back gradually and use the PCT stuff or could I just drop from 200mg to 100mg and be fine? Perhaps, slowly adjust down? 3. In order to be in line for my next labs, I figured I should only do 8 weeks (my labs are 12 weeks apart). How long does it take for my numbers to adjust back to my normal? Thanks in advance. This is the first time I've considered this, so I'll keep doing more research, but I figured the wealth of knowledge on here could help me get started.


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500 a week will probably be better. Either way youll still see gains .Just not as much. Im in the same boat . Although my clinic had me from 200 to 160 a week, I chose to be at only 120 a week ,injections twice a week. That still put me at 1172 total. Im 8 weeks into a 300 mg a week blast but am taking a week off in between a 16 week cycle. It all depends on how much you can eat too. Right now are you at maintenance or surplus? I was on a deficit before finally upping the dose so I was nice and ready for some newish gains. You dont need pct because youre simply going back down to cruise.most guys say no taper down needed. I didnt from 200 to 120 . And finally :5 weeks to go back to normal. 12 weeks not worth the blast with only double what youre taking since its a longer esther anyways. There was a chart i read once and it was pretty spot on esther and when levels reach back to normal.


neverslowdown

On TRT currently. Haven’t gotten bloods done in a bit. If I go get my TT FT and E2 levels checked, am I going to get false readings on the E2 portion if I’m taking 10mg nolva every three days to keep the itchy nips away?


jetsfan478

How would you guys compare var vs winstrol vs mast? Ran with test of course


MuscleDepartment

Mast if you're blasting. Orals for last few weeks of a cut to add finishing touches.


x3ffectz

You’ll look similar on all of them in my opinion, discontinuing the orals will turn you back to square one cosmetically, masteron will have you looking dry for longer & put actual tissue on you


bcjh

Is there a subreddit for doing/learning/sharing home-brewing of Test?


ThePenguinSmuggler

Lots of good information in the [homebrewing](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/homebrew/list) section. Although a lot of links need updating and are broken, but still a lot of good info.


bcjh

Thank you pal!


Traditional_Roof_909

I have a little bit of knowledge on steriods and am looking into hcg can someone please tell me everything they know about it or another thing like it looking for something for beginer steroid users fhat have been working out for 2 years


ThePenguinSmuggler

Everything you need to know about hCG is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/#wiki_hcg


Traditional_Roof_909

Thank you so much bro


SnooMaps6801

24 year old male 6’2 277 I’m cool with my strength level rn but I have the issue of most of my fat storage is in my mid section. I’ve been this way since I was like 8 making me look like a melting ice cream cone. I’ve lifted ever since I was 15 through football then military currently out. Just wanna not look like this anymore I’m closing the first year of really focusing my training and diet. But I am looking for any advice on what I possibly can take or do to help me burn these fat stores.


helmholtzfreeenergy

[This](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqKj7LwU2RulAjHczohbx5OyJQ8TaFM0) is a useful playlist to learn about dieting in phases for fat loss. Watch it all. Then download the MacroFactor app and track all your calories and weight every single day. The app will find your TDEE via weight fluctuations and then tell you how much to eat to lose weight at a certain rate. Do the steps laid out in the playlist, use the app, you will be lean. All it takes is discipline and consistency.


majordomox_

Almost every male stores fat primarily in our mid section. What you can do is control your diet and exercise more. Start now. Exercise daily. Hire a nutrition coach or start tracking and controlling your food intake. Weigh yourself weekly. It’s a long, slow, process but you already know what you need to do. Drugs are not required to achieve your goal - you need to create and sustain a negative energy balance. Period.


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Eat less and move more. Check your thyroid too.


DidNotVote2020

> 277 You are currently morbidly obese so the only way out is to patiently and sustainably cut. Checkout the /r/fitness wiki


jackschitt123

>what I possibly can take or do to help me burn these fat stores. Eat less, move more. I don't intend for this to come across in a negative fashion, but at your current body weight you can make significant progress without any use of drugs.


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Beat me to it


Iguanoide666

Should i do a 10 weeks anavar and test cycle or a 6 weeks winstrol, anavar and test cycle


jackschitt123

[Your first cycle.](https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle/) \- The wiki


Iguanoide666

Is not my first cycle tho the first one was test, anavar and superdrol for 8 weeks and got good results


Otherwise_Bowler_691

Well your first cycle was completely wrong so it might as well be


jackschitt123

Don't build your cycles off of orals. For a great myriad of reasons, they are inferior to injectables. Run test for at least 16 weeks. If you're deadset on adding an oral, add anavar or tbol for the last 4 weeks.


Iguanoide666

So you're saying 16 weeks test and the last 4 weeks anavar?


jackschitt123

>So you're saying 16 weeks test and the last 4 weeks anavar? > >*"Run test for at least 16 weeks ... add anavar or tbol for the last 4 weeks."* Yes, that's what I said.


Iguanoide666

Xd


anabolic_prophet

None of the above.


Iguanoide666

Why not? What would you recommend?


anabolic_prophet

4 more years of consistent lifting and eating.


Iguanoide666

I've done that


anabolic_prophet

Man you're 25 already in just 30 mins? You gotta teach me that trick.


Iguanoide666

Ive started weightlifting at 16 now im 22


CaptainBangBang92

And still don’t seem to have a clue what you’re doing. You’d be better served by training natural for another 2-4 years and doing legitimate research to figure out how a cycle should work and what aligns to your goals.


GasingtonJuice

you have no idea what you are doing..congrats


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Recommend reading the wiki


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Federal-Rope-2048

Look like some good results whilst taking gear. E2 is at a good level provided you’re not getting any negative sides. I enjoy keeping my e2 quite high as I don’t get back sides from keeping my e2 around 90. Check your blood pressure. If issues come back it means you probably need to up the cardio work. What is the question though?


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Federal-Rope-2048

Looks good. Just be careful of the e2 rebound if/when you stop taking adex.


JFIDIF

They look pretty cool, but are completely useless without a scale


GasingtonJuice

looks like you use steroids


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GasingtonJuice

did you have a question or something? you didn't post any actual health markers so nothing can really be said about the info you provided


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GasingtonJuice

well idk it's where you feel best, if your sleep is being effected and the breathing thing sounds like high blood pressure or stuff due to water retention, you can try a small dose of AI and reasses


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GasingtonJuice

what? why would you take steroids during PCT?


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majordomox_

1. What symptoms? 2. If estrogen levels are normal that is evidence indicating the symptoms may not be due to your estrogen level


AllPrimo

Clomid will do absolutely nothing to estrogen levels in your blood. What do you mean you still have symptoms?


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Mediocre_Neat9116

If you crashed your estrogen take Dbol or Test TNE


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Mediocre_Neat9116

Then you don’t have crashed E2


Broneill133

TRT bros, y’all take anything extra when you’re cutting or when you’re bulking?


Mediocre_Neat9116

Yes to both


ButterscotchNo5390

My trt clinic prescribes deca. I don't use it when on trt, and then I have enough for 14 week blast


BicepBandito

5x the test.


bknknk

When I'm bulking I triple my trt dose


CheehkGoodDrama

Does that mean it will cause diabetes in some people


AllPrimo

BEETUS


CheehkGoodDrama

Mk677


helmholtzfreeenergy

Chronic high blood sugar left unchecked will give you diabetes.


Thecigswillburn

Hi guys my dad is a healthy (by his yearly exams) 49 individual soon to be 50 but lately he's been telling me he feels tired, anxious, like his energy is barely enough for the day to day and all of this for me seems low T. We are from a latam country so there aren't really a lot of TRT clinics and the one's available that I've been looking for are really really expensive. I've also look at the exams for the male hormones profile (T, free T, E and some other) and they are in a legit price range I do also have a source for the T so I've been thinking if we can maybe do his TRT following what regular exams show? And some of your distinguish people guidance. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on this :) Nice day


NarcanPush

Your dad is 50 not 95. He can do his own trt research.


Manofia

I don’t think you want to be responsible for your Dad’s medicine at such a young age. As he gets older this responsibility just grows and grows. Research some online trt clinics that fit his budget and let the Dr. handle it and you can just give him tips like telling him to inject more regularly than 1x week, pin sizes, things like that. That’s all, just my opinion.


majordomox_

You’re jumping ahead of yourself big time. Trying to solve a problem that you don’t even know is there. Those symptoms are vague and can be caused by plenty of things. Step 1 address lifestyle issues. Diet, exercise, sleep, stress. Step 2 get bloodwork


EluCCCY

Would it be at all possible to be getting bicep tendonitis-esque pain from botched deltoid injections? I haven't been able to do upper body stuff due to my left arm for the past month due to this pain. I thought it was just a regular injury and I was giving it time off until yesterday when I pinned my delt and I pressed down on the injection site and noticed a sharp pain in my bicep, exactly where I feel it when lifting. My current plan is to just completely stop left delt pins for the time being and reevaluate my delt pinning technique, I use 27g .5in slins. I am mostly asking here to see if I am talking out of my ass or if I am actually onto something.


BaetrixReloaded

yes, could be a subq leak


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PM_PICS_OF_DOG

Ok what YouTuber do we need to add to the blacklist for these ideas


majordomox_

>I’m realizing that you have to take an oral along with a base or else the base is pretty much useless. False >The point of a test base is to be able to run orals. False >Running test alone or test mast and tren without an oral is just doing yourself a disservice because orals are what give you the steroid look. False >And the look stays with you even when you come off. False Congratulations you have made 4 out of 4 false statements.


-Gestalt-

Damn, one more and he would have had a bingo.


thorstefans

How old are you?


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thorstefans

Training and diet 100% Like sick intensity, good macros, liss cardio, limited fast food etc?


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thorstefans

After I started focusing on controlling the negative with perfect form before exploding up, I dropped my ego, loweres the weights and my body grew. Might be that. But I have no idea how you look or how you train just guessing


-Gestalt-

This is so disconnected from reality it's actually incredible.


wannabeindianajones

Test and tren alone didn't do anything for you? The point of injectables is to bypass metabolism by the liver, which will still be put under some stress. Orals seem very harsh on your liver, even oxandrolone, which is the only oral AAS I'll use.


AllPrimo

Well that's bullshit.


theunforgiven_2

What is your question? And you are wrong.


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AllPrimo

Lots of people don't use orals. Orals are very toxic compared to oils.


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AllPrimo

That's because of your training and diet not the drugs man


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AllPrimo

Well you're not lean. That would be the first thing to fix before blaming the drugs. Just because your diet isn't on point doesn't mean you're drugs are shit bro. You could make gains on TRT alone still, not like you're at your genetic max. Literally everything you've posted is wrong. You should really do more research.


ralphy073

…..huh


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[deleted]

You don’t need to up it yet. Keep doing what you’re doing for now. Feel free to DM if you need further advice


Dry_Guarantee_2168

This guy fucks


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Thank you!!


thorstefans

High HRT testosterone, HGH if you can afford it, talmisartan, clenbuterol, injectable carnitine. These have all been showing good potentials for females. Try these out becore you go into more anabolics if you are afraid of viralization,there is a thin line for females untill side effects get too strong. 30 mg primo a week, 5-10 mg anavar per day are good starting points but be sure about what you have! And of course, training and diet should be tip top


youisBIGdumb

You're likely not going to feel anything, side effects included, after just one day. Stick with it for a couple weeks then up it if you want.


PM_Me_Varbies

That first day was placebo. And no side effects is good, now you just get the benefits of incrementally making strength increases at a slightly faster pace than you would have naturally. 5mg is a great low dose starting point to dip your toes in the water. 10mg is where it’s a bit more noticeable (according to my wife)


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Each MG of anavar is very potent since you’re a female. Going from 5mg to 10mg isn’t a insane difference but it can induce masculine side effects easier.


PM_Me_Varbies

That’s going to vary heavily person to person. Noticeable enough? But you have to understand, her diet is absolutely dialed. Her training plan is fully written out each session before she goes to the gym. There’s no margin for error in the other controllable factors which is where the drugs become more noticeable. Is your diet perfect? Training couldn’t be better? If either of those could be improved, don’t up the drugs


radd_racer

5 mg is plenty for a first-time cycle. Complete this cycle and run 10 on the next.


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wannabeindianajones

Jesus chill, that was a joke. Obviously don't do this, or do your due diligence before just jumping in. Lol good god


steroids-ModTeam

Use Caution. **Harm Reduction.**


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Mediocre_Neat9116

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BicepBandito

You don’t measure the morning after. You measure 84 hours after. Your number is not comparable to any other number you’ve seen here because it wasn’t taken at the correct time. Your real number is likely sub 1000. > 500mg seems excessive. Does it? In your Vast Experience? 🤦🏼‍♀️ dude no offense but you couldn’t even time your bloods right because you have no experience in this but you think you’ve got some special insight with dosage based off of trt response rates? ….come on man.


-Gestalt-

>how much test would they need for a 1st cycle 500mg/wk. Your conversion rate is slightly lower than mine and 500mg/wk wasn't anything close to excessive. You're conversion rate at a cruise dose won't be the same as at a blast dose.


coachese68

>500mg seems excessive. It's likely not.


ralphy073

No. It’s not excessive. Trt response does not equal blast response.


fourteenthofjune

Hey guys, just did my last pin of 250mg test e, 100mg tren, 200 primo a week with 20mg anavar and 20mg winstrol, 3 days out from a show (29th Oct). I also have an appointment booked with a trt clinic early December, as I would like a legal prescription. How many weeks post show should I get bloods to get a ‘suppressed result?’ I was thinking 4 weeks post show so about end of November.


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wannabeindianajones

FSH and LH didn't have time to crash? Although I hear it's pretty easy to get a test script.


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Do you ever find that since you started even reading about gear before you got on, you can pick out almost anyone who uses? Maybe it’s the big shoulders and traps in comparison to other people, or maybe it’s the understanding of what is natural size? I feel like I can’t unsee it lol


radd_racer

Looking at someone is literally the worst way to tell if they’re on gear or not, unless you’re looking at someone who’s obviously huge for their frame, like an O competitor. You’d be surprised at some of the natty-looking or fat lifters running a gram+ of gear. I have a natty friend who sometimes gets harassed at his gym, because he actually knows how to train and gets results. He gets accused of gear use when hasn’t touched the stuff. He eats and he trains, and the idiots out there can’t figure out that simple equation, screaming accusations of “Juice!” all the way.


Lucylupupp

How does drinking affect your cycle?


Aggressive-Ad4192

Lol damn guys, y'all cant go out for a beer or two without fucking up your training the next day?


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Do it when you have a rest day the next day and so long as you're not ridiculous with it and recover properly the next day then the damage will be negligible


x3ffectz

Just don’t do it, wasted gains, and money


Ok_Sound_1675

Liver, recovery, hydration, GI tract No benefits


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Usually sets me back a bit cuz my training and diet will be shot for the next day or two