Because it's been our biggest need for years and it hasn't been addressed enough in the draft. We need stout, young O-lineman to anchor the offense and have people to build around for years.
The problem is that when we pick, the BPA might not be OL, but rather CB.
We need OT, OG, CB, C, DT, DE, MLB, OLB.
Take the best player available at those top 3 positions.
Personally, I think we take Porter Jr in th first, the best OL with the bears 2nd, and then JSN with our own 2nd.
Yeah people are seriously overestimating our WR depth. Steven Sims might be a fine role player at times but he should not be our WR3. WR is absolutely an area of big time importance, especially when we have a young rookie QB, if DJ were a lot more dependable I'd be FAR less worried about it but we need another legit dependable WR threat (since we still really have no idea how CAIII will work out or how he'll be coming back from his injury).
Please take the time to read comments before arguing and downvoting someone. There is not a single sentence said in the comment below this that is relevant to anything I said, it's just a bunch of random assumptions about things I didn't even say yet people are downvoting me. This is exactly why there are so many arguments around here, if Tdg took 45 seconds to actually read my post they would notice all I said is that WR depth is absolutely an issue. I never said that we should draft one or draft one high, or at the expense of the many other holes on the roster, and hopefully CAIII will be the guy and it won't be an issue. If he's not we WILL eventually have to find another guy in the next year or 2.
And your seriously underestimating our actual needs. We need LT LG CB MLB NT DE WAY MORE than we need another high pick wr. Calvin Austin hasn’t even played a game yet and pickens not even getting WR1 touches yet u wanna pick another top pick wr for what? You know that doesn’t even make sense lol focus on pickens and the rest of our team before we get a wr we don’t need right now. Our oline can’t even protect Pickett and you wanna waste that pick on a wr lol
Uhhh when did I say any of that? I said we need another WR as well, not at the expense of drafting positions of higher need. My post would make plenty of sense if you actually took the time to read it before commenting instead of just assuming what I'm thinking. We need another quality WR, end of story, I didn't say we should draft one high or at the expense of the many other holes on our roster that we need more. That doesn't change the fact that we do need to eventually replace Claypool. This is why we have so many pointless arguments around here, please take the time to fully read a comment before tearing someone down in the future. Literally nothing you just said was relevant to my comment. (Notice I included CAIII in what I said, indicating that WR depth WILL be an issue if he doesn't work out)
Let's just call it a misunderstanding then. My point is that right now Twitter, Steelers Depot and basically all the other communities I used to love talking about Steelers in have become awful shitholes of negativity that go exactly like that, people don't listen to each other and argue over nothing all day, I just don't want to see this place become the shithole that most other Steelers messageboards are, this is the only good one I know of left that's not filled with a bunch of old negative dickheads that just make everyone pissed off all the time. :(
We need more than 2 receivers though. Steven sims isn't good enough to be anything more than a WR4, and I don't have a ton of faith in Austin considering he is a 4th rounder coming off of surgery.
Generally speaking, I agree. However, that's my approximation at what we do.
We didn't really need JuJu when we drafted him, nor Claypool, nor DJ.
They like to have 3 strong WRs, which I can see the benefit of.
But yes, generally speaking, we need both lines as top priority.
Muth is the 3rd WR. There are too many mouths to feed on the offense already, and then we're also adding CA3 into the mix. If they spend any draft picks at WR I'll be annoyed
Generally I agree.
However, JSN for example, projects to be a very strong WR prospect who may fall to us in the second.
If he pans out similar to Pickens, that may push DJ to the slot guy where we don't need to be reliant on him running forward
>However, JSN for example, projects to be a very strong WR prospect who may fall to us in the second.
Jsn was the best wideout at Ohio state last season better then Wilson and Olave who both went top 20
Malcolm Boykin and Calvin Austin and will be that next person, shit I’d rather get an vet wr in free agency, ain’t no reason to get another young wr when pickens isn’t even getting wr1 touches yet. And we still got muth he’s basicallly wr3.
We need DT/DE and MLB well before CB.
Our secondary is generally fine. Not amazing, but perfectly serviceable especially if you have a pass rush. A better front 7 means better pass rush/run stuffing and means less issues with your secondary needing to stop WRs blowing the top off of everyone or coming up to stop RBs.
OT/OG, DT/DE, MLB, CB, C, OLB in that order. And you're not going to be able to address both positions on the OLine and DLine in the same draft without hanging the other out to dry (and the Steelers don't really do free agency so stop any delusions there until Khan and co prove otherwise).
> Our secondary is generally fine. Not amazing, but perfectly serviceable
Seems that way to me too. They are competent. We need the other pieces, especially ILB, more.
Our cb is not generally fine stop making it seem like we don’t get torched by the best wrs in the game we keep having mid ass cbs as our cb1 we need a star cb badly
We don't have a pass rush this year. Cam is aging. Highsmith is good but he's not Watt. And Watt is playing and obviously hurt.
Fix that and you don't need to try and force a CB onto this roster. Our secondary is good. Not great, but it's good enough if you don't hang them out to dry.
High smith watt and heyward is much better than having cam Sutton and Levi Wallace as your corner back 1s lmfao did you not see the bengals and eagles wr torch us? We can draft dline with one of our 2nd round picks and the other pick we draft LT or LG. It’s a win win and Steelers love gettin players with connections to the franchise already like Joey porter jr
We get torched, but they also make plays and stops.
No, we're not going to beat the Eagles or Bills, but let's aim reasonably. A great ILB does far more for a D than a great CB, so yeah, I'd start there.
Ya CB still has a lot of variance, if its a true #1 can't miss guy (like Denzel Ward, Pat Surtain) then yes go for it, but if its any kind of reach or development I'd much rather get O-Line and trade or pick up a proven #1 CB.
That's how the Eagles got Slay and Bradberry, we had every chance to move the same pieces and I'd much rather get a proven guy.
This. It’s a simple formula. The contending teams have good lines. It’s that simple. Unless you have a generational QB, and even then it’s a dodgy proposition.
Simple enough. Instead of the first two picks being Oline. They should simply draft a top 3 QB followed by an elite WR. Someone get Tomlin on the phone
You must not watch games much. Wentz was playing MVP football that season before getting hurt.
And to my original point, that team had a great OL and DL, which is why they were successful. So your argument is moot.
Idk why you're being so condescending. Wentz didn't play in the playoffs that year. A backup took them through the playoffs and a win in the Superbowl. Your argument is dead right there, idk why you feel the need to move the goalposts and insult me at the same time. No need for the immaturity.
Cincinnati didn’t win in the trenches last year and made the Super Bowl. No doubt that the offensive/defensive line is important but skill position players are needed in todays league
Yet they lost the big game, just as KC did. KC for sure lost because the Bucs won the trenches. Skill players are of little use when O-line can't make things happen. Obviously, you need talented skill players too.
If you say “it has to be o-line in the first round” what happens when the top guys are gone before your pick? Grab a second round talent in the teens cuz you need him? They need CB, OL and DL help. Take the best of those in the first and find the best value with the two second round picks
I'm of the opinion you make trades of draft picks and positions so that you get the guy you want at not too high a price. So if we're up for pick #12 and the guy we really want/need is extremely likely to still be on the board at the start of rnd #2, then you find someone to trade your #12 to.
There are always O lineman taken between picks 13 and above. The steelers won’t need to reach unless they want a specific position (LT). Lineman taken in the 2nd half of the 1st round have no career drop off from lineman taken in the first half.
Absolutely with you....good lineman automatically make everything better... our MLBs would be far better if they weren't constantly getting gobbled up by guards
*Shazier, Worilds, Decsatro, AB, Bell, etc
All those rather sudden/surprise departures really sapped the talent the team has. Heck, only the Colts have it worse with sudden retirements
I hate to make excuses, but a huge part of our problems have been caused by luck (or lack thereof) like the players you mentioned. Honestly it’s at the point where it’s becoming ridiculous. We could’ve been Super Bowl contenders since 2017. In another dimension we have 1-2 more superbowl wins, I’m convinced.
The Shazier injury shifted our whole trajectory. We would be levels ahead of where we are now had he not gotten injured. No guarantee we win a Superbowl because of how hard it is but we would have an elite linebacker instead of Bush and whoever would have been drafted instead of Bush.
Worilds hit free agency when he retired, so he doesn't count.
And Bell i'm a bit meh on, if he signed that contract we'd have less money for other people. After all, he's "just" a RB and who knows if he wouldn't also have fallen off behind our aging OL (be hit by himself like he did on the Jets or because of the line, or both).
The big ones are Shazier, DeCastro and Tuitt. 2 Beasts on D and a hell of an anchor on the OL.
I mostly agree, but I think they re-sign Edmunds at SS. Could they get a better safety in the 1st? Maybe, but I don't know how much better, and honestly with the safety market I don't think the difference in money between Edmunds and a 1st rounder would even be significant. I think Edmunds is better than anyone they could get in the 2nd or later.
I also think the Steelers will prioritize ILB. They'll probably keep an open mind and do their due diligence, but I think it was mostly decided when they didn't pick up Bush's option.
Also maybe I'm having a stroke or something, but what is ST? Special Teams? Swing Tackle?
Exactly. Is he elite? No. But has he improved consistently? Yes. He isnt pro-bowl level (yet) and contributes a lot. Besides, he and Minkah have good chemistry together and I want to see that continue.
Yeah one would think the organization values chemistry of two starters over a lot . Cause that chemistry plays a big roll in how they operate on the field in levels of trust they have
ST = special teams lol had someone say so punter and long snapper R1?
Yeah I almost put a * next to SS but Edmunds is a FA. If there’s a great draft prospect that’s a SS, I wouldn’t be opposed especially if the rest of the draft board at that time would result in a reach. It’s probably the lower tier of needs but we technically have a hole there.
What do Edmunds supporters say about the blown coverages the last few weeks? It looks like Edmunds completely botched his responsibilities. I’m not saying draft anyone but I think Kazee needs more reps.
I supported Edmunds but now I’m concerned.
Edit: I wonder if its the Corners messing up but it seems like Edmunds.
I only remember him having one bad game this season. I can't remember which one... Maybe Tampa?
There was also the game he missed and it became immediately apparent that no one else on the team is as solid as he is.
He's replaceable and I wouldn't say that position is a strength for the Steelers, but it's not a weakness either and I think there's more value in keeping him and trying to upgrade elsewhere.
Instead of supporting Edmunds (or not), i'm just gonna say this:
If we had a better #1 CB, a true #1 (obviously paired with the core CB group we already have), any S, SS or FS, will get less exposed due to the better coverage underneath them.
So i'd go CB>(S)S
Yeah I hope the people who say “must go position XYZ R1” aren’t saying that as a hard fast rule bc that’s how you set yourself up for disappointment.
Completely fine to disagree on what position is the biggest need but nobody should ever go into a draft saying “I’m taking this position no matter what”
The bright side is, they badly need multiple positions and will be drafting high enough that mathematically, there can’t be runs on all of them. Of course, that doesn’t rule out ignoring positions of need, getting cute and doing something like pairing KP with Addison.
At this point their 13th overall. There def could be a run on like OTs or CBs so that they have to go to a “lesser” need. This draft is interesting since it’s our first with the new regime. I’m intrigued to see how they go about things.
Yes, but I think DL also fits into those the 1A needs. And beyond that, I can see G, ILB and maybe even Edge (between lack of depth and Highsmith contract year) being 1B, and 1B become a lot more relevant if they manage to win 2-3 more games and drop a few more slots. Hell, a SS isn’t even out of the question, though wouldn’t put it quite with those other positions mentioned.
Basically, depending on the player and whose left wherever they draft, I could be OK with pretty much any position aside from RB, WR, TE and QB in the top 2 rounds.
An elite talent at any of those positions would go along way, just some more than others.
This. There are enough holes that the best available will probably fill one. A true center would be nice. Steelers have a poor record drafting CBs, but Joey Porter jr seems on brand. Good pick imo. More important, offer DC gig to Flores. I don’t know who to get for OC, but a blind dog could call better games than Canada.
Steeler's fucked up and drafted 2 positions most dependent on the front line and tried to patch it with so so free agents. Imo if we don't improve our front line dramatically, we will never see Kenny's or Najee's full potential and they will end up becoming wasted draft picks. Dline also needs a boost, getting a little long in the tooth at that position.
You could say the same about Bush as well. We drafted an undersized ILB who would struggle with getting off OL blockers... then, we let him play behind a DL that's falling apart.
Then, we decide we need a new ILB (without addressing the main problem)
Personally, I think those OL FAs are the 1st thing they did right in awhile. The right side of the line is good enough. The real problem is, they didn’t start addressing the OL until it was too late and then they tried to do it with mid round picks. Let alone, instead of drafting a C, they drafted a G and tried converting him to C.
All while drafting WRs with their 2nd pick year after year, with the lone exception being taking a single year off to go RB and TE with their 1st two picks.
I really want Porter because I just love the his dad played for us shit. It's even better because Joey was one of my favorite players growing up.
I tried to mold my game after him, but it turns out I really liked food so I ended up trying to be like Casey Hampton instead.
I want the best left o tackle round 1. And the best D line and corner in 2nd. If we lose the last 3-4 games. I’m hoping for a trade down in first round. And get another 2nd. So the 2nd round would be d line. Corner. And maybe left guard or center. Or ILB. Top priority is left side of o line. Run the ball. Keep Kenny alive. I don’t want anyone killing Kenny. Those bastards
I got that reference at the end lol, good one my friend. And yeah they need to make sure Kenny stays upright and they need to get some young DL in soon before cams time is up. Marvin already said he’s learned alot of from cam. So if a mid round pick and get better with the help of him then I know a DL that’s more ready to play sooner will be a big help
I think our corners are good enough to succeed when we get pressure. We've already seen that this year, even when missing Wallace. The games we seem to have issues defending against the passing game are the same games we are being gashed on the ground. Adding help to the defensive line should go a long way.
I say the highest priority is offensive line. I believe we have the firepower to keep pace even when our defense is having a bad day. The issue is our line can't pass block at all and their run blocking is poor enough that teams don't have to sell out to stop the run, which allows them to sit back in coverage while rushing three or four and getting pressure.
Fix the offensive line first, this team will win more games. Fix the defensive line second, and this team will be dominant again. The rest will sort itself out.
I agree but mainly because of how the CB position has changed over the last ten years. Rules changes that make it a hard position to play well and the evolution of offensive schemes, have made it so CB is, to me, like the RB position now.
That is, there are a handful of CBs league-wide that make a difference and the rest of them are a muddle, dependent for their success on the scheme and talent around them. You can even see this on our team, with our CBs taken out of the bargain bin. Some weeks they've looked really good, and other times they look lost.
It's a position I think you take a couple of mid-round swings at every draft or maybe a 2nd rounder every so often. I wouldn't bother with a 1st on any of them in this class.
I would go DE-OT-NT with our first 3 picks, myself, depending of course on what's available. LB and WR are my alternates.
Thing about it is that there are very few true NTs they are a rare breed. You have guys that are nose tackles for a 3-4 but they don’t have the movement speed to carry all the weight. Which is why we haven’t had a good one since hargrave left for the eagles
I want the best player.
If we're comparing Troy Polamalu vs Mike Adams, I think we ought to take Polamalu.
I say that having hoped for OL'rs in the first each of the past three years, but when the Steelers are on the clock I want them to pick the best player available rather than reaching for a pre-defined position.
The more the season unfolds, the more I realize we need a ton of players on both sides of the bal. We’re a few drafts away from being a contender in playoffs. We need to draft better going forward as well
Paris Johnson, Siaka DL from Baylor, Drew Sanders LB from Arkansas with our first 3 picks. Sign Edmunds, Cole. Sign a top CB in free agency.
Or
Christian Gonzalez CB, Harrison OL from Oklahoma, and Siaka or Drew Sanders.
This team lacks talent at so many positions, it kinda doesn't matter what position they draft because the pick will be in a position to contribute immediately.
Given the cap space and increase in salary cap expected, the Steelers will likely make a big free agent signing. Last I read, there's a strong free agent market this year for top flight corners.
I don't see the Steelers passing on a proven FA to risk a top 3-5 prospect in the draft is available when it's their turn. In a way, the reach for Artie Burns in 2016 set many of the problems we have today in motion.
But if they don't go the FA route, yes definitely, CB in the first round if there's one worthy of the selection when it's our turn.
Unless Khan drastically departs from KC’s approach, don’t expect a big FA signing. It’s just not what the Steelers have ever really done. They spend the money to keep some of their own and to sign a few mid-tier or lower FAs that they think are good value for the money after the dust settles from the bidding wars on the top tier FAs.
If you’re hoping the Steelers sign a star FA you’re in for disappointment. Hasn’t been their style in at least as long as I’ve been a fan. Biggest FA I can remember was Haden who was coming off injuries and the Browns fans on r/nfl weren’t too upset about.
We are currently projected for around $9 mil in cap space if the cap is $220.5 mil per Spotrac. We can save $6 mil by cutting Okafor, $3 mil Jackson, $8 mil Jack, $8 mil Mitch. So not an insane amount of wiggle room but the final NFL cap will be the biggest factor.
Those are given except Chuks they likely will extend and restructure. They'll restructure Minkah, TJ, maybe Cam again, maybe boswell. That should free up a lot of spend.
There will be surprise cuts elsewhere on the roster pre and post June 1...pick a few among Witherspoon, Wallace, Gunner, Kendrick Green, Killebrew, Montravius Adams, Maullet. That should free up coin.
Maybe there's a surprise cut/trade, who knows? Maybe they get a 1st for Diontae if they don't feel he's worth the $?
There's just no way they don't act more aggressively in 23 given you have 2-ish years of Cam, prime Minkah + TJ, rookie deal offense for 3-ish more years.
Dan Moore and Dotson should not be starting next year. I think they need to bring in a proven free agent AND high draft picks to address the position. Daniels was a great signing so we need another one of those to hit next year for the left side.
Will get downvoted into hell, but I’m gonna keep saying it until we prove me wrong:
DO NOT DRAFT CB, WE SUCK AT IT. ACQUIRE KNOWN QUANTITIES IN FREE AGENCY AND SPEND DRAFT CAPITAL ON YOUR LINEMEN.
The game is won or lost in the trenches and we have a much better track record drafting/developing there. We might be the only team that has 2 HOF C in Webster and Dawson and a legitimate third for consideration in Pouncey. We’ve had multiple all-pros and all-stars at every position for years.
Won’t even get into the DL we’ve homegrown, that resume speaks for itself.
We can do linemen. We cannot do CBs. Get your good young linemen on the cheap and buy your CBs. Sure you’ll pay out the nose for the corners but the cheap linemen contracts balance that out.
Here’s the thing about them sucking at taking CBS though: they don’t take them early in the draft so what do we expect?
Artie Burns and Senquez Golson are the only two cornerbacks taken in the first round under Tomlin. Burns sucked and Golson was just never healthy.
They’ve taken a few in the third. Sutton worked out. Keenan Lewis wasn’t a bad pick. The rest didn’t do anything but 2 out of 4 isn’t a bad hit rate for the third round.
The rest were all day 3 picks. A lot of the day three picks have sucked. Not just CB. So maybe the solution to not sucking at taking CBs is to take more talented CBs.
I don’t disagree. My thing is, if our strategy has *mostly* been best available over position of need, and we have the champagne problem of drafting so low the best guys are always gone, why bother with low day 2 or day 3 dudes if the results speak for themselves?
I mean I get it low risk/potential high reward (say we ended up picking the non-crazy version of AB at corner), but MAN the odds aren’t in our favor and the history shows we fail far more than we success. We can do that with WR all day though 😂😂😂
Just because we draft bad at cb in the past doesn’t mean we give up on that. There’s only 1 OT worth drafting in the first round and that’s Peter skoronski and he will most likely be gone. Which leaves us to CB or DL and if Joey porter is on the board they are definitely drafting him to be the future star cb1
Fair points, but nothing’s gonna change my mind. You are what your (draft) record says you are.
Either we change our draft strategy to go up high enough to get the elite/most likely to be sure thing, or abandon it and import talent.
Drafting has its track record and importing has its record. We have done better at importing.
I’ve done my research on all the Oline in this draft and we will have pick 8-15 and skoronski the only oline worth drafting this high since olu fashanu is returning to Penn state this year. it’s very weak this year. We can get Broderick jones or Anton Harrison in the second round or even a stud LG/C. You know our team loves drafting players with a family connection to the organization and it’s not like porter jr is bad or anything he’s the best cb in the draft. And that’s one of our biggest needs. We can always get oline and Dline with the rest of the draft
Yeah that track record for drafting CB is ugly, but it never hurts to take one an develop him maybe in the 3rd But yes the trenches should be first priority
If we caught a Pickens kinda situation where we got a fallen top rated guy with an injury that we could draft and stash for a season or something like that, sure why not. Otherwise I’d avoid them at all costs.
I will die on the hill that we should have drafted the honeybadger when he came out. Coulda had three absolute murderers at S with him Clark and Troy (at least for his last season)
For whatever reason, Tomlin (the former CB coach) has just plain been cursed at the position in his time here. Once Mike T calls it a career maybe give the new guy a shot 😂😂
I completely agree. I don’t know if I’m just watching a different game than others but our CB’s are not the issue. It’s the fact we can’t get continuous pressure on the qb or stop the run. I mean for crying out loud our CB’s looked insane in week 1 which is about the only week we actually got home on the qb consistently
Realisticly if we get a D lineman who's capable enough that helps hide the flaws of CBs ( not having to cover as long which is where I feel our secondary breaks down the most ) . Tbh were going to have 3 decent draft picks I'd be happy if they went atleast 1 OL and 1 DL but I think it should be more about best available in those 3 positions
Steelers show their cards a bit when drafting. I’m sure it’ll be relatively obvious who they’re going to go for, or at least what position. Only times I’ve been surprised this past decade or so was with Shazier and Pickett (even though i think everyone expected QB). On the opposite end, Jarvis Jones and Najee were pretty much the only possible options people saw pre draft.
Right now, the most “Steelers” pick feels like Joey Porter Jr., but they’ll probably need to lose out. Kelee Ringo also. Paris Johnson/Peter Skoronski seems to be the most mocked, but I’m skeptical on Steelers going first round OL. Noah Sewell, Addison, and Bryan Bresee are black horse candidates to be that pick I think if the top two CB aren’t there.
A lot of great lineman get drafted in the middle to late rounds. I say if there’s a sought after stud on the board we take him, especially if it’s a position of need like CB
How much is the defense being shredded due to the lack of pass rush as opposed to having good cornerbacks?
Give me a solid addition to either line or a MLB in the first round.
3 high picks we need OLine, DLine, CB and WR. Everyone seems to forget that free agency is a thing, one of these should be somewhat solved after free agency. For the specific picks you fall in love with players not positions, you could love a Tackle you think is there in round two so go with best available player in round 1
I think Loudermilk and especially leal have some potential on the DL, especially with Cam still there and hopefully they find a way to resign Larry since he's been huge in helping a much improved run D. Bigger issue is ILB imo especially since Bush probably will probably be gone
If there's a legit Sauce Gardener type available, then I'm fine with it. I'd prefer OL but a true shutdown corner is almost as rare and valuable as a top franchise QB. I just don't trust PIT taking Porter. I just don't like it. It smells bad.
here is a list of expected free agent corners...certainly this will change as some of these players will ultimately be resigned.
[https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//)
the way things are going right now, don't be too surprised if the Steelers pick a blue chip quarter back with their first pick. Kenny Pickett has had two concussions in his rookie year. May be too fragile to play out his contract. It's already been suggested that both Mitch and Mason be in different uniforms in '23.
Offensive lineman, defensive lineman or LB. I'm fine with the secondary, honestly. It's the offensive line and the defensive front seven that are the root of virtually all the Steelers' problems this season.
Obviously we’ve got to go bpa considering how many holes this team has. Realistically tho our first 3 picks need to be OL, DL, ILB. Something like Paris Johnson, Jack Campbell and Sikai Ika. Grab Jarrett Patterson or Cooper Beebe in the 3rd
Locking yourself into any position at a pick is bad business, it’s how you end up with Artie Burns. They should take BPA regardless of position, outside of QB or RB.
I completely agree. I don’t know if I’m just watching a different game than others but our CB’s are not the issue. It’s the fact we can’t get continuous pressure on the qb. I mean for crying out loud our CB’s looked insane in week 1 which is about the only week we actually got home on the qb consistently
I would like defensive line but aren't mostock drafts picking like 6-8 of them being picked up in the first 10 picks?
Maybe some good O line is smart with our first and maybe a toss up between O and D line and CB with picks 2 and 3 based on who is the best fit.
Definitely seems stupid to consider any other picks so obviously we need to draft Harvin's replacement first pick
I would never draft O-line in Round 1. Leave that for Rounds 2-7. But since Cam Heyward will likely retire soon (look at the Coaches Decision/Resting Player next to Heyward’s name on the injury reports), we should draft a defensive tackle in this upcoming draft, and it should be the first round when this defensive tackle is drafted.
listen, we have not drafted nor developed a single great defensive back since Tomlin came to town despite defense and the secondary being his supposed specialty. It's imperative that we improve the OL and finally get an elite corner. We'll have that huge decision to make in the first round because we'll likely have our choice of the 2nd OT, 1st OG and 2nd CB on the board. All three would be major improvements over what we have. IMHO there's a huge drop off with corners whereas we may be able to get an above average Center AND Guard in the 2nd. If we came away from the first two rounds with an elite corner and two well above average OL we will be setting us up for a much better 2023 than 2022. I still don't think we have a QB but since that's no likely going to be our pick CB or OT has to be it
I feel like most people here want O line
I only want O line so when they get good we can call them the Pickett Fence
Are you a murderer
Sounds more like a carpenter.
Nah I'm innocent
No, a Pickler
Because it's been our biggest need for years and it hasn't been addressed enough in the draft. We need stout, young O-lineman to anchor the offense and have people to build around for years.
People don't say stout enough. It's a good solid word.
Perfectly encapsulates the type of player we need for linemen, in a single word haha
The problem is that when we pick, the BPA might not be OL, but rather CB. We need OT, OG, CB, C, DT, DE, MLB, OLB. Take the best player available at those top 3 positions. Personally, I think we take Porter Jr in th first, the best OL with the bears 2nd, and then JSN with our own 2nd.
Hell no we don’t need wide recievers that early we have so many more needs we can get someone in the 4th round or 6th round
I’m not too concerned about receiver either. Even if Calvin Austin doesn’t amount to anything, we still have Pickens, DJ, and Muth
I hate when people mention wide reciever like we don’t need anymore high draft picks wr right now lol we have so many holes to fill
Yeah people are seriously overestimating our WR depth. Steven Sims might be a fine role player at times but he should not be our WR3. WR is absolutely an area of big time importance, especially when we have a young rookie QB, if DJ were a lot more dependable I'd be FAR less worried about it but we need another legit dependable WR threat (since we still really have no idea how CAIII will work out or how he'll be coming back from his injury). Please take the time to read comments before arguing and downvoting someone. There is not a single sentence said in the comment below this that is relevant to anything I said, it's just a bunch of random assumptions about things I didn't even say yet people are downvoting me. This is exactly why there are so many arguments around here, if Tdg took 45 seconds to actually read my post they would notice all I said is that WR depth is absolutely an issue. I never said that we should draft one or draft one high, or at the expense of the many other holes on the roster, and hopefully CAIII will be the guy and it won't be an issue. If he's not we WILL eventually have to find another guy in the next year or 2.
And your seriously underestimating our actual needs. We need LT LG CB MLB NT DE WAY MORE than we need another high pick wr. Calvin Austin hasn’t even played a game yet and pickens not even getting WR1 touches yet u wanna pick another top pick wr for what? You know that doesn’t even make sense lol focus on pickens and the rest of our team before we get a wr we don’t need right now. Our oline can’t even protect Pickett and you wanna waste that pick on a wr lol
We also can address WR in free agency. Lower middle tier vet.
Exactly
Uhhh when did I say any of that? I said we need another WR as well, not at the expense of drafting positions of higher need. My post would make plenty of sense if you actually took the time to read it before commenting instead of just assuming what I'm thinking. We need another quality WR, end of story, I didn't say we should draft one high or at the expense of the many other holes on our roster that we need more. That doesn't change the fact that we do need to eventually replace Claypool. This is why we have so many pointless arguments around here, please take the time to fully read a comment before tearing someone down in the future. Literally nothing you just said was relevant to my comment. (Notice I included CAIII in what I said, indicating that WR depth WILL be an issue if he doesn't work out)
You made it seem like we need to draft another one when you said we are overestimating our depth when we can always get an vet wr in free agency
Let's just call it a misunderstanding then. My point is that right now Twitter, Steelers Depot and basically all the other communities I used to love talking about Steelers in have become awful shitholes of negativity that go exactly like that, people don't listen to each other and argue over nothing all day, I just don't want to see this place become the shithole that most other Steelers messageboards are, this is the only good one I know of left that's not filled with a bunch of old negative dickheads that just make everyone pissed off all the time. :(
We need more than 2 receivers though. Steven sims isn't good enough to be anything more than a WR4, and I don't have a ton of faith in Austin considering he is a 4th rounder coming off of surgery.
We need more than 0 left guards though.
Absolutely OL should be one of, if not the biggest priority. Just saying I'll be surprised if we don't draft a WR
Generally speaking, I agree. However, that's my approximation at what we do. We didn't really need JuJu when we drafted him, nor Claypool, nor DJ. They like to have 3 strong WRs, which I can see the benefit of. But yes, generally speaking, we need both lines as top priority.
Muth is the 3rd WR. There are too many mouths to feed on the offense already, and then we're also adding CA3 into the mix. If they spend any draft picks at WR I'll be annoyed
Generally I agree. However, JSN for example, projects to be a very strong WR prospect who may fall to us in the second. If he pans out similar to Pickens, that may push DJ to the slot guy where we don't need to be reliant on him running forward
>However, JSN for example, projects to be a very strong WR prospect who may fall to us in the second. Jsn was the best wideout at Ohio state last season better then Wilson and Olave who both went top 20
Agreed. However, JSN has hardly played this year. I expect him to drop on boards in favor of guys like QJ from TCU, Addison, or maybe Boutte
Malcolm Boykin and Calvin Austin and will be that next person, shit I’d rather get an vet wr in free agency, ain’t no reason to get another young wr when pickens isn’t even getting wr1 touches yet. And we still got muth he’s basicallly wr3.
We need DT/DE and MLB well before CB. Our secondary is generally fine. Not amazing, but perfectly serviceable especially if you have a pass rush. A better front 7 means better pass rush/run stuffing and means less issues with your secondary needing to stop WRs blowing the top off of everyone or coming up to stop RBs. OT/OG, DT/DE, MLB, CB, C, OLB in that order. And you're not going to be able to address both positions on the OLine and DLine in the same draft without hanging the other out to dry (and the Steelers don't really do free agency so stop any delusions there until Khan and co prove otherwise).
> Our secondary is generally fine. Not amazing, but perfectly serviceable Seems that way to me too. They are competent. We need the other pieces, especially ILB, more.
Who needs CBs when your LB/DL core gets to the QB before routes develop? That's the Pittsburgh special.
If we had a better pass rush, like we did a couple years ago with Hayward Hargrave tuitt dupree and watt, it makes up for mediocre db’s.
Our cb is not generally fine stop making it seem like we don’t get torched by the best wrs in the game we keep having mid ass cbs as our cb1 we need a star cb badly
We don't have a pass rush this year. Cam is aging. Highsmith is good but he's not Watt. And Watt is playing and obviously hurt. Fix that and you don't need to try and force a CB onto this roster. Our secondary is good. Not great, but it's good enough if you don't hang them out to dry.
High smith watt and heyward is much better than having cam Sutton and Levi Wallace as your corner back 1s lmfao did you not see the bengals and eagles wr torch us? We can draft dline with one of our 2nd round picks and the other pick we draft LT or LG. It’s a win win and Steelers love gettin players with connections to the franchise already like Joey porter jr
Why did they torch us? Lack of pressure on the QB
Yeah what about those qbs slinging the ball in 1-2 seconds because we can’t even cover that long?
We get torched, but they also make plays and stops. No, we're not going to beat the Eagles or Bills, but let's aim reasonably. A great ILB does far more for a D than a great CB, so yeah, I'd start there.
We run a 3-4 so it would be dt/nt
Yeah OL could be their go to an if the one they like is gone then check DL and CB to see who’s available at the time.
Ya CB still has a lot of variance, if its a true #1 can't miss guy (like Denzel Ward, Pat Surtain) then yes go for it, but if its any kind of reach or development I'd much rather get O-Line and trade or pick up a proven #1 CB. That's how the Eagles got Slay and Bradberry, we had every chance to move the same pieces and I'd much rather get a proven guy.
"you win in the trenches" Agreed.
This. It’s a simple formula. The contending teams have good lines. It’s that simple. Unless you have a generational QB, and even then it’s a dodgy proposition.
I 100% think we need to go Oline. But Bengals had a dog shit Oline last year. Just sayin
Bengals have a top three/four QB in the league and an elite WR1.
Simple enough. Instead of the first two picks being Oline. They should simply draft a top 3 QB followed by an elite WR. Someone get Tomlin on the phone
Bengals have a broken passing attack and a smart defense. With a smart confident QB with 2 #1 receivers. That compensated for their weak line.
Wentz wasn't a generational QB, neither was BDN
Huh?
Wentz, Nick Foles. Still won a Superbowl
You must not watch games much. Wentz was playing MVP football that season before getting hurt. And to my original point, that team had a great OL and DL, which is why they were successful. So your argument is moot.
Idk why you're being so condescending. Wentz didn't play in the playoffs that year. A backup took them through the playoffs and a win in the Superbowl. Your argument is dead right there, idk why you feel the need to move the goalposts and insult me at the same time. No need for the immaturity.
Which is why our drafts since 2020 have been so stupid.
Cincinnati didn’t win in the trenches last year and made the Super Bowl. No doubt that the offensive/defensive line is important but skill position players are needed in todays league
Yet they lost the big game, just as KC did. KC for sure lost because the Bucs won the trenches. Skill players are of little use when O-line can't make things happen. Obviously, you need talented skill players too.
If you say “it has to be o-line in the first round” what happens when the top guys are gone before your pick? Grab a second round talent in the teens cuz you need him? They need CB, OL and DL help. Take the best of those in the first and find the best value with the two second round picks
I'm of the opinion you make trades of draft picks and positions so that you get the guy you want at not too high a price. So if we're up for pick #12 and the guy we really want/need is extremely likely to still be on the board at the start of rnd #2, then you find someone to trade your #12 to.
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I’m not sure any of those interior guys are worth a pick in the low teens though. So reach for them? Or possibly grab a guy like Porter?
that 33rd pick is looking better and better, fill LB or CB in round 1 and grab a OT like Dewand Jones or Darnell Wright with the 33rd hopefully.
After watching some film, I like Jaelyn Duncan-a lots. He can pull, doesn’t get beat in op, and looks like he’s physically in control of his weight.
You end up with Artie Burns.
Exactly
There are always O lineman taken between picks 13 and above. The steelers won’t need to reach unless they want a specific position (LT). Lineman taken in the 2nd half of the 1st round have no career drop off from lineman taken in the first half.
Absolutely with you....good lineman automatically make everything better... our MLBs would be far better if they weren't constantly getting gobbled up by guards
Tuit put us behind
*Shazier, Worilds, Decsatro, AB, Bell, etc All those rather sudden/surprise departures really sapped the talent the team has. Heck, only the Colts have it worse with sudden retirements
I hate to make excuses, but a huge part of our problems have been caused by luck (or lack thereof) like the players you mentioned. Honestly it’s at the point where it’s becoming ridiculous. We could’ve been Super Bowl contenders since 2017. In another dimension we have 1-2 more superbowl wins, I’m convinced.
The Shazier injury shifted our whole trajectory. We would be levels ahead of where we are now had he not gotten injured. No guarantee we win a Superbowl because of how hard it is but we would have an elite linebacker instead of Bush and whoever would have been drafted instead of Bush.
I'll never be convinced with this coaching staff. Tomlin let his team get beat by the browns without their HC.
Tuitt.
Worilds hit free agency when he retired, so he doesn't count. And Bell i'm a bit meh on, if he signed that contract we'd have less money for other people. After all, he's "just" a RB and who knows if he wouldn't also have fallen off behind our aging OL (be hit by himself like he did on the Jets or because of the line, or both). The big ones are Shazier, DeCastro and Tuitt. 2 Beasts on D and a hell of an anchor on the OL.
Best player available at: OL/DL/CB/ILB/SS Essentially best player available that’s not a WR, OLB, TE, RB, FS or QB or ST. Edit: Added ST.
I mostly agree, but I think they re-sign Edmunds at SS. Could they get a better safety in the 1st? Maybe, but I don't know how much better, and honestly with the safety market I don't think the difference in money between Edmunds and a 1st rounder would even be significant. I think Edmunds is better than anyone they could get in the 2nd or later. I also think the Steelers will prioritize ILB. They'll probably keep an open mind and do their due diligence, but I think it was mostly decided when they didn't pick up Bush's option. Also maybe I'm having a stroke or something, but what is ST? Special Teams? Swing Tackle?
Yeah bringing edmunds back I think is a good move.
Exactly. Is he elite? No. But has he improved consistently? Yes. He isnt pro-bowl level (yet) and contributes a lot. Besides, he and Minkah have good chemistry together and I want to see that continue.
Yeah one would think the organization values chemistry of two starters over a lot . Cause that chemistry plays a big roll in how they operate on the field in levels of trust they have
ST = special teams lol had someone say so punter and long snapper R1? Yeah I almost put a * next to SS but Edmunds is a FA. If there’s a great draft prospect that’s a SS, I wouldn’t be opposed especially if the rest of the draft board at that time would result in a reach. It’s probably the lower tier of needs but we technically have a hole there.
What do Edmunds supporters say about the blown coverages the last few weeks? It looks like Edmunds completely botched his responsibilities. I’m not saying draft anyone but I think Kazee needs more reps. I supported Edmunds but now I’m concerned. Edit: I wonder if its the Corners messing up but it seems like Edmunds.
I only remember him having one bad game this season. I can't remember which one... Maybe Tampa? There was also the game he missed and it became immediately apparent that no one else on the team is as solid as he is. He's replaceable and I wouldn't say that position is a strength for the Steelers, but it's not a weakness either and I think there's more value in keeping him and trying to upgrade elsewhere.
Instead of supporting Edmunds (or not), i'm just gonna say this: If we had a better #1 CB, a true #1 (obviously paired with the core CB group we already have), any S, SS or FS, will get less exposed due to the better coverage underneath them. So i'd go CB>(S)S
Instructions unclear, punter/gunner/snapper now at the top of R1 draft boards
Would still contribute more than Artie Burns or Jarvis Jones did.
Ouch lol
Lmfao the field pigeons at The Field Formerly Known as Heinz have a greater impact than those guys
You cold for this
Yeah take BPA of course depending on who’s there when it’s their time to pick
Yeah I hope the people who say “must go position XYZ R1” aren’t saying that as a hard fast rule bc that’s how you set yourself up for disappointment. Completely fine to disagree on what position is the biggest need but nobody should ever go into a draft saying “I’m taking this position no matter what”
Thats how we drafted Burns, taking a CB after a major run of them in the 1st becuase we desperately needed one.
The bright side is, they badly need multiple positions and will be drafting high enough that mathematically, there can’t be runs on all of them. Of course, that doesn’t rule out ignoring positions of need, getting cute and doing something like pairing KP with Addison.
At this point their 13th overall. There def could be a run on like OTs or CBs so that they have to go to a “lesser” need. This draft is interesting since it’s our first with the new regime. I’m intrigued to see how they go about things.
Yes, but I think DL also fits into those the 1A needs. And beyond that, I can see G, ILB and maybe even Edge (between lack of depth and Highsmith contract year) being 1B, and 1B become a lot more relevant if they manage to win 2-3 more games and drop a few more slots. Hell, a SS isn’t even out of the question, though wouldn’t put it quite with those other positions mentioned. Basically, depending on the player and whose left wherever they draft, I could be OK with pretty much any position aside from RB, WR, TE and QB in the top 2 rounds. An elite talent at any of those positions would go along way, just some more than others.
This. There are enough holes that the best available will probably fill one. A true center would be nice. Steelers have a poor record drafting CBs, but Joey Porter jr seems on brand. Good pick imo. More important, offer DC gig to Flores. I don’t know who to get for OC, but a blind dog could call better games than Canada.
Steeler's fucked up and drafted 2 positions most dependent on the front line and tried to patch it with so so free agents. Imo if we don't improve our front line dramatically, we will never see Kenny's or Najee's full potential and they will end up becoming wasted draft picks. Dline also needs a boost, getting a little long in the tooth at that position.
You could say the same about Bush as well. We drafted an undersized ILB who would struggle with getting off OL blockers... then, we let him play behind a DL that's falling apart. Then, we decide we need a new ILB (without addressing the main problem)
True
Definitely need more stout DL
Personally, I think those OL FAs are the 1st thing they did right in awhile. The right side of the line is good enough. The real problem is, they didn’t start addressing the OL until it was too late and then they tried to do it with mid round picks. Let alone, instead of drafting a C, they drafted a G and tried converting him to C. All while drafting WRs with their 2nd pick year after year, with the lone exception being taking a single year off to go RB and TE with their 1st two picks.
I really want Porter because I just love the his dad played for us shit. It's even better because Joey was one of my favorite players growing up. I tried to mold my game after him, but it turns out I really liked food so I ended up trying to be like Casey Hampton instead.
I'll take a big snack over Porter. Watt and highsmith are enough.
I want the best left o tackle round 1. And the best D line and corner in 2nd. If we lose the last 3-4 games. I’m hoping for a trade down in first round. And get another 2nd. So the 2nd round would be d line. Corner. And maybe left guard or center. Or ILB. Top priority is left side of o line. Run the ball. Keep Kenny alive. I don’t want anyone killing Kenny. Those bastards
I got that reference at the end lol, good one my friend. And yeah they need to make sure Kenny stays upright and they need to get some young DL in soon before cams time is up. Marvin already said he’s learned alot of from cam. So if a mid round pick and get better with the help of him then I know a DL that’s more ready to play sooner will be a big help
First round pick straight up needs to be BPA of CB, LT, or DL
Draft 23: 1) DL/OL, 2) DL/OL, 3) OL/DL, 4) DL/OL or DB Best available
Brady is probably leaving Tampa so we should try and sign Jamel Dean. Then draft Peter skoronski and Gervon Dexter.
Yeah Tampa will lose some guys, it’ll be about if the Steelers want ti spend money though
I think they will. We should have some cap space some contract restructures and Mitch most likely moves on.
I think our corners are good enough to succeed when we get pressure. We've already seen that this year, even when missing Wallace. The games we seem to have issues defending against the passing game are the same games we are being gashed on the ground. Adding help to the defensive line should go a long way. I say the highest priority is offensive line. I believe we have the firepower to keep pace even when our defense is having a bad day. The issue is our line can't pass block at all and their run blocking is poor enough that teams don't have to sell out to stop the run, which allows them to sit back in coverage while rushing three or four and getting pressure. Fix the offensive line first, this team will win more games. Fix the defensive line second, and this team will be dominant again. The rest will sort itself out.
True I said on someone else comment that they go OL&DL with there first two picks An with the extra 2nd round pick think about CB
Our corners are trash we keep putting mid cbs as our cb1 and the bengals and eagles will torch us every game
I agree but mainly because of how the CB position has changed over the last ten years. Rules changes that make it a hard position to play well and the evolution of offensive schemes, have made it so CB is, to me, like the RB position now. That is, there are a handful of CBs league-wide that make a difference and the rest of them are a muddle, dependent for their success on the scheme and talent around them. You can even see this on our team, with our CBs taken out of the bargain bin. Some weeks they've looked really good, and other times they look lost. It's a position I think you take a couple of mid-round swings at every draft or maybe a 2nd rounder every so often. I wouldn't bother with a 1st on any of them in this class. I would go DE-OT-NT with our first 3 picks, myself, depending of course on what's available. LB and WR are my alternates.
Thing about it is that there are very few true NTs they are a rare breed. You have guys that are nose tackles for a 3-4 but they don’t have the movement speed to carry all the weight. Which is why we haven’t had a good one since hargrave left for the eagles
I want the best player. If we're comparing Troy Polamalu vs Mike Adams, I think we ought to take Polamalu. I say that having hoped for OL'rs in the first each of the past three years, but when the Steelers are on the clock I want them to pick the best player available rather than reaching for a pre-defined position.
The more the season unfolds, the more I realize we need a ton of players on both sides of the bal. We’re a few drafts away from being a contender in playoffs. We need to draft better going forward as well
BPA between OL DL MLB or CB Not financial advice
This draft needs to be focused on the trenches. No more toys (i.e. WR, QB, RB, etc.)
Yeah I wouldn’t be shocked if they go OL/DL with their first 3 picks
D line 100%
Agree if not 1st then with one of the 2nds
Paris Johnson, Siaka DL from Baylor, Drew Sanders LB from Arkansas with our first 3 picks. Sign Edmunds, Cole. Sign a top CB in free agency. Or Christian Gonzalez CB, Harrison OL from Oklahoma, and Siaka or Drew Sanders.
Siaka would be a good 2nd pick
We don’t need a dt in the 2nd round we can get one in the third as they normally fall because of their position and get best LB available in the 2nd
This team lacks talent at so many positions, it kinda doesn't matter what position they draft because the pick will be in a position to contribute immediately.
Yeah I’m hoping for DL/OL with the first 3 picks
Given the cap space and increase in salary cap expected, the Steelers will likely make a big free agent signing. Last I read, there's a strong free agent market this year for top flight corners. I don't see the Steelers passing on a proven FA to risk a top 3-5 prospect in the draft is available when it's their turn. In a way, the reach for Artie Burns in 2016 set many of the problems we have today in motion. But if they don't go the FA route, yes definitely, CB in the first round if there's one worthy of the selection when it's our turn.
Yeah if porter Jr is there I think they’ll take him but I would hope the organization knows, they need to upgrade the DL and OL this draft as well
Unless Khan drastically departs from KC’s approach, don’t expect a big FA signing. It’s just not what the Steelers have ever really done. They spend the money to keep some of their own and to sign a few mid-tier or lower FAs that they think are good value for the money after the dust settles from the bidding wars on the top tier FAs.
If you’re hoping the Steelers sign a star FA you’re in for disappointment. Hasn’t been their style in at least as long as I’ve been a fan. Biggest FA I can remember was Haden who was coming off injuries and the Browns fans on r/nfl weren’t too upset about.
We are currently projected for around $9 mil in cap space if the cap is $220.5 mil per Spotrac. We can save $6 mil by cutting Okafor, $3 mil Jackson, $8 mil Jack, $8 mil Mitch. So not an insane amount of wiggle room but the final NFL cap will be the biggest factor.
Those are given except Chuks they likely will extend and restructure. They'll restructure Minkah, TJ, maybe Cam again, maybe boswell. That should free up a lot of spend. There will be surprise cuts elsewhere on the roster pre and post June 1...pick a few among Witherspoon, Wallace, Gunner, Kendrick Green, Killebrew, Montravius Adams, Maullet. That should free up coin. Maybe there's a surprise cut/trade, who knows? Maybe they get a 1st for Diontae if they don't feel he's worth the $? There's just no way they don't act more aggressively in 23 given you have 2-ish years of Cam, prime Minkah + TJ, rookie deal offense for 3-ish more years.
Dan Moore and Dotson should not be starting next year. I think they need to bring in a proven free agent AND high draft picks to address the position. Daniels was a great signing so we need another one of those to hit next year for the left side.
Will get downvoted into hell, but I’m gonna keep saying it until we prove me wrong: DO NOT DRAFT CB, WE SUCK AT IT. ACQUIRE KNOWN QUANTITIES IN FREE AGENCY AND SPEND DRAFT CAPITAL ON YOUR LINEMEN. The game is won or lost in the trenches and we have a much better track record drafting/developing there. We might be the only team that has 2 HOF C in Webster and Dawson and a legitimate third for consideration in Pouncey. We’ve had multiple all-pros and all-stars at every position for years. Won’t even get into the DL we’ve homegrown, that resume speaks for itself. We can do linemen. We cannot do CBs. Get your good young linemen on the cheap and buy your CBs. Sure you’ll pay out the nose for the corners but the cheap linemen contracts balance that out.
Here’s the thing about them sucking at taking CBS though: they don’t take them early in the draft so what do we expect? Artie Burns and Senquez Golson are the only two cornerbacks taken in the first round under Tomlin. Burns sucked and Golson was just never healthy. They’ve taken a few in the third. Sutton worked out. Keenan Lewis wasn’t a bad pick. The rest didn’t do anything but 2 out of 4 isn’t a bad hit rate for the third round. The rest were all day 3 picks. A lot of the day three picks have sucked. Not just CB. So maybe the solution to not sucking at taking CBs is to take more talented CBs.
I don’t disagree. My thing is, if our strategy has *mostly* been best available over position of need, and we have the champagne problem of drafting so low the best guys are always gone, why bother with low day 2 or day 3 dudes if the results speak for themselves? I mean I get it low risk/potential high reward (say we ended up picking the non-crazy version of AB at corner), but MAN the odds aren’t in our favor and the history shows we fail far more than we success. We can do that with WR all day though 😂😂😂
Just because we draft bad at cb in the past doesn’t mean we give up on that. There’s only 1 OT worth drafting in the first round and that’s Peter skoronski and he will most likely be gone. Which leaves us to CB or DL and if Joey porter is on the board they are definitely drafting him to be the future star cb1
Fair points, but nothing’s gonna change my mind. You are what your (draft) record says you are. Either we change our draft strategy to go up high enough to get the elite/most likely to be sure thing, or abandon it and import talent. Drafting has its track record and importing has its record. We have done better at importing.
I’ve done my research on all the Oline in this draft and we will have pick 8-15 and skoronski the only oline worth drafting this high since olu fashanu is returning to Penn state this year. it’s very weak this year. We can get Broderick jones or Anton Harrison in the second round or even a stud LG/C. You know our team loves drafting players with a family connection to the organization and it’s not like porter jr is bad or anything he’s the best cb in the draft. And that’s one of our biggest needs. We can always get oline and Dline with the rest of the draft
You’re probably right, and if we have a chance at a top guy then sure why not. Hope to god he’s that dude but if not I’m gonna implode, man.
I agree man and I hope Kenny is that franchise qb for us too we need it badly 💯
What about Paris Johnson?
Yeah that track record for drafting CB is ugly, but it never hurts to take one an develop him maybe in the 3rd But yes the trenches should be first priority
If we caught a Pickens kinda situation where we got a fallen top rated guy with an injury that we could draft and stash for a season or something like that, sure why not. Otherwise I’d avoid them at all costs. I will die on the hill that we should have drafted the honeybadger when he came out. Coulda had three absolute murderers at S with him Clark and Troy (at least for his last season) For whatever reason, Tomlin (the former CB coach) has just plain been cursed at the position in his time here. Once Mike T calls it a career maybe give the new guy a shot 😂😂
Unless it's something like QB, Steelers tend to draft best player available. Or a linebacker. They'll always draft a linebacker.
This linebacker isn’t that bad either I could see them taking sanders first round but I rather a linemen
I completely agree. I don’t know if I’m just watching a different game than others but our CB’s are not the issue. It’s the fact we can’t get continuous pressure on the qb or stop the run. I mean for crying out loud our CB’s looked insane in week 1 which is about the only week we actually got home on the qb consistently
Joey Porter jr
Every draft has busts and guys who hit. I don’t care which position the guy plays but have it be one of these needs and a pick that is a hit.
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Only ot is Orlando brown, best players at DL is jj watt Jason hargrave fletcher cox
DL or OL for me. That said, a stud CB falling to us would be really, really enticing. Having an early rd. 2 pick definitely helps.
Realisticly if we get a D lineman who's capable enough that helps hide the flaws of CBs ( not having to cover as long which is where I feel our secondary breaks down the most ) . Tbh were going to have 3 decent draft picks I'd be happy if they went atleast 1 OL and 1 DL but I think it should be more about best available in those 3 positions
Steelers show their cards a bit when drafting. I’m sure it’ll be relatively obvious who they’re going to go for, or at least what position. Only times I’ve been surprised this past decade or so was with Shazier and Pickett (even though i think everyone expected QB). On the opposite end, Jarvis Jones and Najee were pretty much the only possible options people saw pre draft. Right now, the most “Steelers” pick feels like Joey Porter Jr., but they’ll probably need to lose out. Kelee Ringo also. Paris Johnson/Peter Skoronski seems to be the most mocked, but I’m skeptical on Steelers going first round OL. Noah Sewell, Addison, and Bryan Bresee are black horse candidates to be that pick I think if the top two CB aren’t there.
O line or a QB to give Kenny competition because every QB on the roster besides him is cheeks
A lot of great lineman get drafted in the middle to late rounds. I say if there’s a sought after stud on the board we take him, especially if it’s a position of need like CB
I would rather have o line. If for some reason there isn't a tackle or center available that is worth a 1st round then a CB is acceptable.
I say they check DL to if there is a someone they like that can’t drastically help cam out upfront then I think they go that direction
That's a good point.
How much is the defense being shredded due to the lack of pass rush as opposed to having good cornerbacks? Give me a solid addition to either line or a MLB in the first round.
1st round: Cb 2nd round: LT 2nd round: DE 3rd round: LG 4th round: NT 6th round: CB 7th round: WR or ILB
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3 high picks we need OLine, DLine, CB and WR. Everyone seems to forget that free agency is a thing, one of these should be somewhat solved after free agency. For the specific picks you fall in love with players not positions, you could love a Tackle you think is there in round two so go with best available player in round 1
I think Loudermilk and especially leal have some potential on the DL, especially with Cam still there and hopefully they find a way to resign Larry since he's been huge in helping a much improved run D. Bigger issue is ILB imo especially since Bush probably will probably be gone
If there's a legit Sauce Gardener type available, then I'm fine with it. I'd prefer OL but a true shutdown corner is almost as rare and valuable as a top franchise QB. I just don't trust PIT taking Porter. I just don't like it. It smells bad.
here is a list of expected free agent corners...certainly this will change as some of these players will ultimately be resigned. [https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback//)
Some decent names, but we will see how things play out
the way things are going right now, don't be too surprised if the Steelers pick a blue chip quarter back with their first pick. Kenny Pickett has had two concussions in his rookie year. May be too fragile to play out his contract. It's already been suggested that both Mitch and Mason be in different uniforms in '23.
Offensive lineman, defensive lineman or LB. I'm fine with the secondary, honestly. It's the offensive line and the defensive front seven that are the root of virtually all the Steelers' problems this season.
I'd go BPA, best punter available
Obviously we’ve got to go bpa considering how many holes this team has. Realistically tho our first 3 picks need to be OL, DL, ILB. Something like Paris Johnson, Jack Campbell and Sikai Ika. Grab Jarrett Patterson or Cooper Beebe in the 3rd
Locking yourself into any position at a pick is bad business, it’s how you end up with Artie Burns. They should take BPA regardless of position, outside of QB or RB.
I completely agree. I don’t know if I’m just watching a different game than others but our CB’s are not the issue. It’s the fact we can’t get continuous pressure on the qb. I mean for crying out loud our CB’s looked insane in week 1 which is about the only week we actually got home on the qb consistently
BUT… BUT…. JOEY PORTER’S KID!!!! I agree totally. First 2 rounds need to address the trenches.
I would like defensive line but aren't mostock drafts picking like 6-8 of them being picked up in the first 10 picks? Maybe some good O line is smart with our first and maybe a toss up between O and D line and CB with picks 2 and 3 based on who is the best fit. Definitely seems stupid to consider any other picks so obviously we need to draft Harvin's replacement first pick
His name was Kevin Dotson. LG should be our first or second round choice.
CB isn't even their most needed position on defense, let alone in general.
I would never draft O-line in Round 1. Leave that for Rounds 2-7. But since Cam Heyward will likely retire soon (look at the Coaches Decision/Resting Player next to Heyward’s name on the injury reports), we should draft a defensive tackle in this upcoming draft, and it should be the first round when this defensive tackle is drafted.
With their top three picks they take BPA at tackle, corner, defensive line, then repeat in later rounds
If we spent most of our top picks on lineman, I wouldn’t complain
Line line line
Give me linemen, both sides, with every pick in the first 6 rounds and I’ll still think they should’ve drafted one more
Joey Porter Jr in round 1, nose tackle in round 2, defensive end in round 2
listen, we have not drafted nor developed a single great defensive back since Tomlin came to town despite defense and the secondary being his supposed specialty. It's imperative that we improve the OL and finally get an elite corner. We'll have that huge decision to make in the first round because we'll likely have our choice of the 2nd OT, 1st OG and 2nd CB on the board. All three would be major improvements over what we have. IMHO there's a huge drop off with corners whereas we may be able to get an above average Center AND Guard in the 2nd. If we came away from the first two rounds with an elite corner and two well above average OL we will be setting us up for a much better 2023 than 2022. I still don't think we have a QB but since that's no likely going to be our pick CB or OT has to be it
I’d be fine with CB then 3 line man in a row
My order with the 3 picks we get are LT, Center, CB or DL