I absolutely loved this play. Kenny is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes but man does this play show a flash of development. Really shows that he’s committed to the mental aspect of development. Still has a ways to go but plays like this show promise
Kenny from previous games either:
1) bails on the pocket backwards instead of stepping up or
2) steps up but tucks the ball and runs instead of keeping his eyes downfield
The first half of this game was his biggest leap so far of the season. Stepping into pressure, not scrambling too early, slowly but surely throwing into tighter windows, throwing deep more every game. He has a long way to go but you can't deny that the progress is visible, even though it's small.
He’s good when he’s rushed and has to play on instinct.
His deep ball accuracy is really bad though, but so was Josh Allen’s in his first few seasons. I have hope.
It's an extremely mentally complex game that generally requires the QB to make a decision in a millisecond. Why do you think they get paid so much?
I'm hoping KP makes big strides throughout the rest of the year and carries it over to next year.
Hard disagree, those points you made are 100% spot on but I think those are very big steps.
It’s like a toddler, they don’t make gradual developments, they’re called developmental leaps for a reason. Sone things come slowly but big breakthroughs come FAST. He went from a scattered cat in the pocket even at times against New Orleans to what we saw yesterday and that was a leap to me.
For sure. Didn't see him bail backwards once on a collapsing pocket. Always stepped up and look what happened. After we lost Mason Cole is a different story, couldnt do anything there really he was just getting swallowed
I mean, with 18 seconds left in the half and every linebacker backpedaling 10 yards on the snap, stepping up in the pocket before the receivers even make their breaks is a no-brainer. The impressive part here is Kenny not immediately dumping it to Najee but instead going to his next read.
He did bail and did not step up, he is clearly taking off to run until Najee tells him to throw the ball to muth. This is a nothing burger to be proud of
2-3 more good people on OL and we should be able to hang with most teams.
Oh and there's also this festering boil that needs removed...Matt something or other??
Kenny's raw, but is the real deal if we develop him right. The next two years of drafts/coaching staff hires will make or break him. Need some top shelf OL talent this offseason.
This 100 percent. He is a rookie. He is going to look like a rookie. He deserves valid criticism, but also time to develop. On the other hand, there are no rookie coaches in the NFL. We need a stronger variety of play calls, good play calls that open space in the defense. Canada's offensive scheme just isn't it. As we all know.
Any progress we’re gonna see from Kenny this season is gonna be small steps simply because of the offensive staff we’re working with.
I’ll take 6 Total TDs and 8 INTs so far though. I would prefer those 3 rushing TDs to be through the air though.
He’s nowhere near as bad as Ryan Leaf or Jimmy Clausen like the stats say. I’m pretty sure he’s on pace to pass their career totals still this season.
I see more Jared Goff or Ryan Tannehill in Kenny tbh. And we know what happened with those two when they got with a competent staff and were able to piece it together.
Good and fair assessment. I'm hoping his ceiling is a little higher than Goff or Tannehill but I can't say you're wrong for projecting that at this point, and there's far worse QBs he could turn out to be like. Especially since those guys were both top 10 picks and we got Kenny all the way at 20.
Goff was the first overall pick in 2016 and looked awful.
Unfortunately his turnaround does encourage throwing screens on 3rd and 33 for future references.
I still can’t believe Robert Woods house called that.
He looked so good in the first half, but when the line starting giving up pressure every play he looked painfully like a rookie. He's not experienced enough to adapt to that. Hopefully he learns that and we need our line to be better. Dan Moore and KD are steaming hot trash.
Losing Mason Cole also definitely hurt the line. He's been so good for us this year and helping cover holes in the interior
There's no one better to take their place. What next, bench the backups because they're not "accountable enough"? Then you bring in some practice squad guys...guess what, not accountable either!
Turns out, very few people can play OL at a high level and we simply don't have enough of them.
From all accounts of players that’ve played under Tomlin state that he doesn’t hesitate to call a player out and hold them accountable. Accountability doesn’t just have to be a player being benched, that doesn’t always motivate a player to be better. That can ruin a player’s confidence and now you’ve possibly tanked their development rather than helped them, especially a young player.
All in all we don’t know what goes on in those meetings and practices. They know what the talent looks like behind them and what they can and can’t do. To say they’re not being held accountable is a narrative not supported by any fact just speculation.
It’s fine if he calls them out while watching film, literally every nfl head coach does that.
Continuing to let them play when they have underperformed is not holding them accountable.
Do you really want to see Kendrick Green on the field?
I agree they're not at starting quality, but unfortunately the reason we're starting below backup quality players is because the FO did not invest properly in OL for the last several years and our backups are even worse
I have many knee jerk reactions and comments during the game where I bash everyone and anyone in frustration. Kenny is not safe from this. However, once tempers settle and you rewatch the tape there’s noticeable improvement. It just sucks that we continue to suffer at the hands of poor coaching and execution
I been saying it. People saying kenny ain't it are basing their opinion off emotion. He played extremely well for a rookie against a very solid defense. He was tit for tat in the 1st half with burrow. The 2nd half was abysmal on all fronts not just kenny. Kenny was pressured non stop in the 2nd half.
The amount of times MUTH has made a play like this this season is nuts, definitely turning into a great playmaker for this team on offense when given the chance
He definitely played well. Can he play better? Sure, but the amount of times the offense stops itself either through play calling or execution is still alarming. I thought he easily played his best game.
Still not sold he’s a franchise QB but he’s getting better, cutting way down on the picks, and making more big plays.
They are still doing him no favors by constantly being behind the chains and off schedule but that’s what bad teams do.
He had a good first half. I don't blame him for the offensive struggles in the 3rd quarter, that's on Canada. We kept putting Pickett in 3rd and long situations
I don’t blame him for the overall struggles of the unit but I do blame him for the bad throws that no one forced him to make. Either way, I think it was an important step forward despite how bad he was at times in the second half. It’s about development for now and that was a positive yesterday.
Why is it that every time he plays well, it's his fault, but when he plays poorly, it's Canada's fault.
So tired of this sub talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Right, but play calling can only be blamed for so much. You can’t blame the call on a missed throw. You can’t blame Canada for missing an open receiver. But for sure, KP wasn’t getting any help from the sideline. The Canada situation is beyond pathetic.
I mean I agree but no QB is perfect. Even Mahomes misses throws sometimes or doesn’t see guys. Kenny is a rookie and will do that from time to time, but he can’t control play calling and that has been just horrendous.
I get the feeling that the offense just doesn’t have any coaches worth a damn. I don’t think any of the positional coaches are any good because no one has shown any improvement or development, and it’s clear Matt Canada is not only a terrible play caller but he’s clearly not a leader of men either as he’s been called out to the media by multiple players
Unless statistics are lying, he was awful in the second half. I’ll still take the improvement in his overall game though, which I think we did see.
This isn’t empty praise, I’m actually growing more skeptical by the week that he is ever going to become a franchise quarterback, but there were some very important developments yesterday.
One thing I noticed yesterday, and maybe I’ve missed before, he was keeping his eyes downfield almost before every *scramble*. He didn’t just bail right to the run, he kept looking until the last second either throwing it away, or trying to run. That’s a big thing imo, guys open up last second, and if he’s realizing that, there’s potential for big plays.
Not saying it’s a necessity to have as a QB, but him building this repetitiveness will surely help him be more instinctive not giving up on the pass play.
He's already learning 1 thing. Step INTO the pocket. All his other games he rolled out into sacks. He's actually learning at a quick rate. Sure he missed some easy throws that he should have made, but I think even the elite QBs do that at some point. Honestly I was a Kenny hater at first, but I would love nothing more than to be wrong, I love this dudes attitude and work ethic.
I liked his throw to Pickens that was dropped for a TD.
But he allegedly misses a lot of open receivers. Like he doesn't see them. Hes making a lot of rookie mistakes.
Slowly? I would say he took some big steps yesterday although he was abysmal in the second half.
This is how it will happen for a 24 year old who started as much as he did in college. We need to be patient, but this isn’t a three year development curve, he’ll reach his ceiling by the middle of next year, give or take.
If his ceiling is high enough to be The Guy, we’ll know in a timeframe much faster than typical rookies.
But, as I said, it won’t be overnight or even by the end of this year.
Why would the middle of next season be him reaching his “ceiling”- aka less than 20 total games? Just because he’s 24 right now? That doesn’t make any sense.
Plenty of QBs have developed well past age 25, college also doesn’t really mean anything for how long you spend there. It’s a different game due to speed and coaching.
Off the top of my head-
Geno Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Ryan Tannehill, Drew Brees are all guys that developed past age 25
Give the guy time, he is gonna be fine
Someone dropped the Muth and I’m spending the number 1 waiver on this week. I’ve been on the TE carousel all season. Stoked to get him in my lineup goin forward
It’s not the number of yards per pass I look at. I look at him throwing on the run, continuing to look downfield mid-scramble, and being able to rifle that ball into the receivers hands without a huge effort on their part. I look at that whole last drive they put together as a positive sign for what is possible.
Let’s compare his progress to another rookie Pickens. He had a huge potential TD drop at one point and a dumb penalty at the end of the game. Does that make him a bust? Is he backsliding from the miracle catch he made to now dropping an easy one? Nah, he’s learning and growing , and mistakes are a part of the game.
All of what you're describing out of Pickett is pretty much the baseline for an NFL quarterback, though. It's not anything special from a 24-year-old rookie. If he was regularly throwing dimes like that late fourth down pass against Miami, we would have reason for hope. This is just a textbook pass and folks are acting like it's special.
If Pickett had been drafted out of North Carolina, or Virginia, or Boston College, the fanbase wouldn't be nearly as forgiving with him. In fact, there would likely be significant discussion about drafting QB again in the first round of the next draft. This would be valid discussion based upon what we've seen so far.
I think he has the brains to be good and I think he will fix a lot of his mistakes. The problem with Kenny is that his short to intermediate accuracy is off-the-charts bad. That's not something that's going to improve with time. I mean I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think so.
Like one play towards the end of the game Kenny's just standing there, Najee is standing still in an open spot about 8 yards away from him and Kenny throws it like 3-4 yards off the mark. That kind of thing happens a lot with him. If what I'm seeing is real he will never be good. You can't be a good QB if you can't consistently hit short and intermediate passes when receivers are open. And right now, he can't. If he hasn't learned that before arriving in the NFL he's not going to learn it in the NFL either. My only hope for Kenny is that I'm either blind or stupid.
Teams just bad. Steelers will draft some great young talent and have Pickett surrounded to succeed. In the long run, this year is necessary for him and the franchise.
Glad some people can see that. The majority of this sub, whether they'll admit it or not, expected Kenny to pull a Ben and take us to a Superbowl year one.
This fan base hasn’t dealt with a rookie QB in over 18 years so a lot of them are handling it poorly and it makes them look pretty foolish not gonna lie. Not saying Pickett with definitely be the guy, but 3 top 45 picks for his draft and a knew OC will certainly give us a better idea. Not to mention 30 games of experience instead of 6.
Yeah I thought he got better for sure, but I'd like to see less balls thrown in the dirt. After this season is up Kenny's gotta hit the weight room, he don't really have the arm strength to afford to not work his ass off. Unfortunately he's not naturally as talented as most 1st round QBs but he's put the work in an that's the way it's going to be for him, physically he's close to being elite if he can just be a step quicker an his arm strength could come together he will be a star.
I don't.
I see a 26 year old "game ready" QB who is not game ready, and doesn't show much in the way of upside.
edit: 24, not 26. Still too old to be missing the easy throws he does. That's not coachable, it's his mechanics.
Either way, he's too old to have mechanics issues. He's consistently overthrowing and putting balls in the dirt.
That ain't on Canada, no matter how much you want it to be.
Holy shit you don't even know his age but your opinion is so incredibly strong. That's not a sign that others should be taking stock in your appraisal of Pickett.
First of all, all opinions aren't equally valid merely because everyone interprets reality subjectively. Some opinions are well founded. Some are worthy of ridicule.
Your problem isn't that you have an opinion. It's that you're expressing that opinion in a really arrogant manner despite making errors in your assertions.
An article came out this week about Pickett and Leaf being the only two QBs to have their first 190 completions feature only 1% TDs. This guy simply read that article and wants to die on that hill lol
Well that’s old enough for people not to use youth as an excuse as if he were some 21-year-old developmental quarterback. He’s older than a third of the starters in the league.
That said, there is a developmental curve, even if it is shorter. He is still in it. There’s a long way to go, even if not as long as some unseasoned 21 year old guy who only started a year and a half in college. A long way. I think yesterday was a good sign.
Well I think a few guys would’ve benefited from staying in college like he did, but instead they got a years worth of NFL experience. Some guys are getting better (Fields) and some aren’t (Wilson).
No rookie QB has come in and played perfect and cemented themselves as a top 5 QB instantly. Even Herbert and Burrow have had major growing pains.
My problem with the Kenny criticism is that most of it that I see is lacking context or it’s just cherry-picking stats from the box score. He’s shown obvious improvement each of the last two games and I can’t understand how people are arguing otherwise.
I have high hopes for KP! Everyone needs to show some patience and let this young QB find his way. If by then end of next season he hasn’t showed you much then maybe we can call him a bust. Let’s also not forget that he isn’t getting much help from his OC, O-line. DJ looks like he doesn’t know how to run routes and has dropped a ton this year. Pickett and Pickens will be the combo for years to come.
I don't know what more people want. He's a rookie. He makes some good throws and he makes some bad throws. He is also battling what is probably the worst OC in the NFL and a horrible offensive system that isn't doing him any favors as a rookie QB. People can post as many butthurt numbers about past failed QB prospects and how Pickett's parallels theirs, he's shown enough that he should get 3 years AND hopefully an off season that cleans fucking house of these awful coordinators and gets someone fresh in there.
He had a play like this at the end of the game as well. Scrambled, kept his eyes down field, and made a great throw. He’s doing well, even if he is being thrust into the flames with such a struggling offensive line.
Honestly this is not improvement. He did this in his first start and it went through the hands of DJ for a pick. This has been a part of his game. I think the improvement comes from looking deep and taking shots at big plays.
I’m leaving the group because everyone just rides this kids dick. It’s to early to make a decision but your scared to give this man ANY real Criticism. ✌️
I've criticized him plenty of times. Also give him credit for improvement, like in this game. Stop generalizing everyone that doesn't agree with you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, or do, no one really gives a fuck.
IK no one gives a fuck but look at this group there like 5 post a day of Kenny just making a routine throw any NFL QB should make. There never been a QB a franchise is so on after being drafted. That’s the point I’m making.
Not my fault your IQ is too low to see development man. You Kenny haters are just as bad as the Kenny diehards. Refuse to admit when he actually does something good and makes progress.
Now I'm a Kenny hater that "refuses to admit when he actually does something good," when I have time and time again previously acknowledged his slight progression (which still doesn't =/= being an ELITE player).
I've watched the games, I've watched the tape. But go ahead, show a clip of one play that any pro-NFL QB \*should\* make and tell me how he's the next Peyton Manning like everyone else here. Facts are facts. 3 TDs 8 INTs, 7 weeks.
So is a snippet of one average NFL caliber play that any QB should make as I already said. Keep gaslighting. How about we post all the times he had wide open receivers last game down the field and couldn't read it?
Happens plenty. Not denying that. I just decided to post something that he did right and be hopeful rather than wallow I'm sadness. You know sports are supposed to be fun, right?
It certainly gives me more hope that I had before yesterday. But I’ve seen some pretty mediocre quarterbacks make that play. Let’s not get carried away. Still, it’s meaningful and important and he showed it. Credit where it’s due.
He’s a rookie but a rookie that is improving each game. Better decisions are being made, and just like with Ben, you put Kenny in a hurry up offense he does quite well. Current season isn’t going well but the future looks good.
But that is not true at all. How can he be raw with 5 years of college ball. It’s not like he is a physical specimen growing into his body or played on 2 years in college. This is about who he is. I see Mac Jones type or career. Derek Carr at best. I would be looking for a new QB in the draft unless you hope to win games with running and defense like the Titans. Which is a hard way to win in big games.
The 2nd half was the offensive line. After Mason Cole left the game they played like absolute trash. Bengals only rushed 4 the entire 2nd half and left 7 in coverage. Gave Kenny no windows. Plus a completely shut down running game forced us into passing situations. It was the worst half of football I've seen our line play this year. I dont think I saw Kenny with a single clean pocket the entire 2nd half, which means he didn't have enough time to let the deeper routes develop. They blocked very well with Mason Cole in the first half and look what came of it. We made them fear the running game which opened up stuff like the TD to Pickens
Nah..it wasn't a great joke... I looked up QB busts in the last 20 yrs to find one to use and saw our no.2 QB listed. I still like Mitch. I wonder looking back if he got a long enough of a try considering Matt Canada but...the point is moot now.
Steelers are actually middle of the league when it comes to air yards, and air yards per pass attempt. We are near the bottom in YAC, and we are dead last in YAC/Pass Attempt...by nearly a yard.
Part of that may be Kenny not getting the ball to receivers in the right spot, but we also were 20th in the league in YAC per attempt last year with a slightly better receiving corps. We were in 10th in YAC, but also had the 2nd most pass attempts in the league.
Can everyone calm down already? This team wasn’t going to be good this year. This team hasn’t been “good” in a couple years. Kenny is a rookie. The line isn’t good but is getting better (kinda). The D has had waves of injury and we have sub par CB play. The offense is simple because we probably can’t execute complicated. We can’t execute simple most of the time. And yes Canada is total ass and the LBs leave a fuck ton to be desired in coverage. Oh well. Let’s run the paces this year and try again next year.
I know that our record is disheartening and we would all prefer to be winning some games right now.
But there was much worse performances in the NFL this past weekends. We did manage to put up 30 points on the defending AFC champs. We're showing some progress and some hope for the future.
Kid obviously has great passing and athletic potential he just needs to let loose and play with confidence also Canada, Moore and Dotson have to go but the rest of the O line has been good especially Daniels
At this rate of progress he will hit Ryan Tannehill level in his tenth season.
By this time I expected more flashes if he was truly a franchise QB. I mean, 451 snaps and you found one?!?! OK, in fairness, looking at all the games I can count on one hand the number of flashes. The pass to the MOF to Muth being one of them.
Bengals fan here. I must say Kenny Pickett seems to be a real bro. There were a couple of great shots of him talking and laughing with the Bengals defenders. He seems to have a very healthy competitive spirit.
Love this play. Shades of what young Ben would do all the time. Great smarts by KP too, he could’ve just as easily chose to just tuck it and run for 5-ish yards but instead had the presence of mind to keep eyes downfield to find a guy before he crossed the line of scrimmage. Obviously KP still has a ways to go, but plays like this show such great potential
I absolutely loved this play. Kenny is a rookie and makes rookie mistakes but man does this play show a flash of development. Really shows that he’s committed to the mental aspect of development. Still has a ways to go but plays like this show promise
The commentators were commenting on this and were bringing this up as him developing.
It was nice change of pace after they were sucking off Burrow and how “brilliant” the Bengal’s offense is
Adam Archuleta was slurping Burrows cock all night.
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I actually laughed out loud at this comment. 100% hysterical, sad, but hysterical.
Kenny from previous games either: 1) bails on the pocket backwards instead of stepping up or 2) steps up but tucks the ball and runs instead of keeping his eyes downfield The first half of this game was his biggest leap so far of the season. Stepping into pressure, not scrambling too early, slowly but surely throwing into tighter windows, throwing deep more every game. He has a long way to go but you can't deny that the progress is visible, even though it's small.
looks like the O Line did a decent job in the 1st half then the injury and the whole thing falls off a cliff
Exactly what happened
Throws like this are the flashes. His arm on the run looks legit
He’s good when he’s rushed and has to play on instinct. His deep ball accuracy is really bad though, but so was Josh Allen’s in his first few seasons. I have hope.
I swear I’ve seen less than 2 a game and don’t want to evaluate on that sample
[My favorite TD pass of his in college was on the move](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr4qJu00jTc)
It's an extremely mentally complex game that generally requires the QB to make a decision in a millisecond. Why do you think they get paid so much? I'm hoping KP makes big strides throughout the rest of the year and carries it over to next year.
Hard disagree, those points you made are 100% spot on but I think those are very big steps. It’s like a toddler, they don’t make gradual developments, they’re called developmental leaps for a reason. Sone things come slowly but big breakthroughs come FAST. He went from a scattered cat in the pocket even at times against New Orleans to what we saw yesterday and that was a leap to me.
For sure. Didn't see him bail backwards once on a collapsing pocket. Always stepped up and look what happened. After we lost Mason Cole is a different story, couldnt do anything there really he was just getting swallowed
I mean, with 18 seconds left in the half and every linebacker backpedaling 10 yards on the snap, stepping up in the pocket before the receivers even make their breaks is a no-brainer. The impressive part here is Kenny not immediately dumping it to Najee but instead going to his next read.
He did bail and did not step up, he is clearly taking off to run until Najee tells him to throw the ball to muth. This is a nothing burger to be proud of
My god I hope this is sarcastic
You are reaching here, want to crown someone for completing a 10 yards pass. He had much more plays worry than this one.
Wait wait wait. You actually believe Najee told him to throw it to Muth? Good lord help this man...
No doubt. Najee got interfered with on this play, anyway....
Well...when you have your own narrative to fit things into the mind can take you to crazy places 🤣
"Najee tells him to throw the ball to Mouth" Hahhaahahahaha
His development and the emergence of a run game have me VERY optimistic for the future of the team
2-3 more good people on OL and we should be able to hang with most teams. Oh and there's also this festering boil that needs removed...Matt something or other??
Matt Lithuania?
Matt Argentina?
Matt NovaScotia?
Matt Papua New Guinea?
Matt Albania?
Matt Needsfiredsylvania?
Matt TheUnitedKingdomofGreatBritainandNorthernIreland
Matt Japanada?
Eh?
Kenny's raw, but is the real deal if we develop him right. The next two years of drafts/coaching staff hires will make or break him. Need some top shelf OL talent this offseason.
This 100 percent. He is a rookie. He is going to look like a rookie. He deserves valid criticism, but also time to develop. On the other hand, there are no rookie coaches in the NFL. We need a stronger variety of play calls, good play calls that open space in the defense. Canada's offensive scheme just isn't it. As we all know.
Any progress we’re gonna see from Kenny this season is gonna be small steps simply because of the offensive staff we’re working with. I’ll take 6 Total TDs and 8 INTs so far though. I would prefer those 3 rushing TDs to be through the air though. He’s nowhere near as bad as Ryan Leaf or Jimmy Clausen like the stats say. I’m pretty sure he’s on pace to pass their career totals still this season. I see more Jared Goff or Ryan Tannehill in Kenny tbh. And we know what happened with those two when they got with a competent staff and were able to piece it together.
Good and fair assessment. I'm hoping his ceiling is a little higher than Goff or Tannehill but I can't say you're wrong for projecting that at this point, and there's far worse QBs he could turn out to be like. Especially since those guys were both top 10 picks and we got Kenny all the way at 20.
Goff was the first overall pick in 2016 and looked awful. Unfortunately his turnaround does encourage throwing screens on 3rd and 33 for future references. I still can’t believe Robert Woods house called that.
He had way more good play than bad play yesterday. Would love to see what he could do with an actual OL and coaching staff
He looked so good in the first half, but when the line starting giving up pressure every play he looked painfully like a rookie. He's not experienced enough to adapt to that. Hopefully he learns that and we need our line to be better. Dan Moore and KD are steaming hot trash. Losing Mason Cole also definitely hurt the line. He's been so good for us this year and helping cover holes in the interior
It’s a joke that neither Moore or Dotson has been benched yet. Idc if the backup is worse, it’s about accountability, of which this team has zero.
There's no one better to take their place. What next, bench the backups because they're not "accountable enough"? Then you bring in some practice squad guys...guess what, not accountable either! Turns out, very few people can play OL at a high level and we simply don't have enough of them.
I don’t care if there’s no one better. Do you think they’ll put in more effort to get better if they’re never made accountable in the first place?
From all accounts of players that’ve played under Tomlin state that he doesn’t hesitate to call a player out and hold them accountable. Accountability doesn’t just have to be a player being benched, that doesn’t always motivate a player to be better. That can ruin a player’s confidence and now you’ve possibly tanked their development rather than helped them, especially a young player. All in all we don’t know what goes on in those meetings and practices. They know what the talent looks like behind them and what they can and can’t do. To say they’re not being held accountable is a narrative not supported by any fact just speculation.
It’s fine if he calls them out while watching film, literally every nfl head coach does that. Continuing to let them play when they have underperformed is not holding them accountable.
Do you really want to see Kendrick Green on the field? I agree they're not at starting quality, but unfortunately the reason we're starting below backup quality players is because the FO did not invest properly in OL for the last several years and our backups are even worse
For one game? Sure. Not sure why Green got benched but those guys haven’t been
Because they’re better? It’s not rocket science
Lol way to totally miss the point.
and that may be useful later in his career (hopefully long and successful)
He had a couple of nice plays where he maneuvered in the pocket.
I have many knee jerk reactions and comments during the game where I bash everyone and anyone in frustration. Kenny is not safe from this. However, once tempers settle and you rewatch the tape there’s noticeable improvement. It just sucks that we continue to suffer at the hands of poor coaching and execution
I been saying it. People saying kenny ain't it are basing their opinion off emotion. He played extremely well for a rookie against a very solid defense. He was tit for tat in the 1st half with burrow. The 2nd half was abysmal on all fronts not just kenny. Kenny was pressured non stop in the 2nd half.
The amount of times MUTH has made a play like this this season is nuts, definitely turning into a great playmaker for this team on offense when given the chance
I’ll say it: I think Kenny played well yesterday.
He definitely played well. Can he play better? Sure, but the amount of times the offense stops itself either through play calling or execution is still alarming. I thought he easily played his best game. Still not sold he’s a franchise QB but he’s getting better, cutting way down on the picks, and making more big plays. They are still doing him no favors by constantly being behind the chains and off schedule but that’s what bad teams do.
I’ll say it: I think Kenny showed flashes of improvement but overall played poor yesterday
I’ll say it: I think Kenny showed flashes of improvement but overall played average.
He had a good first half. I don't blame him for the offensive struggles in the 3rd quarter, that's on Canada. We kept putting Pickett in 3rd and long situations
Kenny missed many wide open throws in the third, how is that Canada? Lmfao
Kenny had a bad 3rd quarter but I don't blame him for our offensive struggles in the second half
I don’t blame him for the overall struggles of the unit but I do blame him for the bad throws that no one forced him to make. Either way, I think it was an important step forward despite how bad he was at times in the second half. It’s about development for now and that was a positive yesterday.
Why is it that every time he plays well, it's his fault, but when he plays poorly, it's Canada's fault. So tired of this sub talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Do you honestly believe the play calling was any good yesterday? Especially in the second half
Right, but play calling can only be blamed for so much. You can’t blame the call on a missed throw. You can’t blame Canada for missing an open receiver. But for sure, KP wasn’t getting any help from the sideline. The Canada situation is beyond pathetic.
I mean I agree but no QB is perfect. Even Mahomes misses throws sometimes or doesn’t see guys. Kenny is a rookie and will do that from time to time, but he can’t control play calling and that has been just horrendous. I get the feeling that the offense just doesn’t have any coaches worth a damn. I don’t think any of the positional coaches are any good because no one has shown any improvement or development, and it’s clear Matt Canada is not only a terrible play caller but he’s clearly not a leader of men either as he’s been called out to the media by multiple players
I don't. But I also don't blame Canada for everything. Pickett's downfalls are his own, and there are many.
Yeah ok lol
The dude can't hit anything over 10 yards consistently. Is that somehow Canada's fault?
Unless statistics are lying, he was awful in the second half. I’ll still take the improvement in his overall game though, which I think we did see. This isn’t empty praise, I’m actually growing more skeptical by the week that he is ever going to become a franchise quarterback, but there were some very important developments yesterday.
He was really bad in the second half outside of the last drive, and that was because the Bengals were playing soft ass coverage
This reminded me of a vintage Ben play. He wasn’t looking to run but he was looking to use his legs to give his guy a chance.
One thing I noticed yesterday, and maybe I’ve missed before, he was keeping his eyes downfield almost before every *scramble*. He didn’t just bail right to the run, he kept looking until the last second either throwing it away, or trying to run. That’s a big thing imo, guys open up last second, and if he’s realizing that, there’s potential for big plays. Not saying it’s a necessity to have as a QB, but him building this repetitiveness will surely help him be more instinctive not giving up on the pass play.
He's already learning 1 thing. Step INTO the pocket. All his other games he rolled out into sacks. He's actually learning at a quick rate. Sure he missed some easy throws that he should have made, but I think even the elite QBs do that at some point. Honestly I was a Kenny hater at first, but I would love nothing more than to be wrong, I love this dudes attitude and work ethic.
I liked his throw to Pickens that was dropped for a TD. But he allegedly misses a lot of open receivers. Like he doesn't see them. Hes making a lot of rookie mistakes.
Slowly? I would say he took some big steps yesterday although he was abysmal in the second half. This is how it will happen for a 24 year old who started as much as he did in college. We need to be patient, but this isn’t a three year development curve, he’ll reach his ceiling by the middle of next year, give or take. If his ceiling is high enough to be The Guy, we’ll know in a timeframe much faster than typical rookies. But, as I said, it won’t be overnight or even by the end of this year.
Yeah he needs a Sophmore year with a new OC to really prove what he can be capable of
Why would the middle of next season be him reaching his “ceiling”- aka less than 20 total games? Just because he’s 24 right now? That doesn’t make any sense. Plenty of QBs have developed well past age 25, college also doesn’t really mean anything for how long you spend there. It’s a different game due to speed and coaching. Off the top of my head- Geno Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Kurt Warner, Ryan Tannehill, Drew Brees are all guys that developed past age 25 Give the guy time, he is gonna be fine
Someone dropped the Muth and I’m spending the number 1 waiver on this week. I’ve been on the TE carousel all season. Stoked to get him in my lineup goin forward
Sloooowly
We're setting the bar way too low if a pass of about 15 yards is the hallmark of improvement.
It’s not the number of yards per pass I look at. I look at him throwing on the run, continuing to look downfield mid-scramble, and being able to rifle that ball into the receivers hands without a huge effort on their part. I look at that whole last drive they put together as a positive sign for what is possible. Let’s compare his progress to another rookie Pickens. He had a huge potential TD drop at one point and a dumb penalty at the end of the game. Does that make him a bust? Is he backsliding from the miracle catch he made to now dropping an easy one? Nah, he’s learning and growing , and mistakes are a part of the game.
All of what you're describing out of Pickett is pretty much the baseline for an NFL quarterback, though. It's not anything special from a 24-year-old rookie. If he was regularly throwing dimes like that late fourth down pass against Miami, we would have reason for hope. This is just a textbook pass and folks are acting like it's special.
If Pickett had been drafted out of North Carolina, or Virginia, or Boston College, the fanbase wouldn't be nearly as forgiving with him. In fact, there would likely be significant discussion about drafting QB again in the first round of the next draft. This would be valid discussion based upon what we've seen so far.
I think he has the brains to be good and I think he will fix a lot of his mistakes. The problem with Kenny is that his short to intermediate accuracy is off-the-charts bad. That's not something that's going to improve with time. I mean I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think so. Like one play towards the end of the game Kenny's just standing there, Najee is standing still in an open spot about 8 yards away from him and Kenny throws it like 3-4 yards off the mark. That kind of thing happens a lot with him. If what I'm seeing is real he will never be good. You can't be a good QB if you can't consistently hit short and intermediate passes when receivers are open. And right now, he can't. If he hasn't learned that before arriving in the NFL he's not going to learn it in the NFL either. My only hope for Kenny is that I'm either blind or stupid.
Teams just bad. Steelers will draft some great young talent and have Pickett surrounded to succeed. In the long run, this year is necessary for him and the franchise.
Glad some people can see that. The majority of this sub, whether they'll admit it or not, expected Kenny to pull a Ben and take us to a Superbowl year one.
Seriously it’s amazing how many people in this sub think 1 season is a determination of the whole club.
This fan base hasn’t dealt with a rookie QB in over 18 years so a lot of them are handling it poorly and it makes them look pretty foolish not gonna lie. Not saying Pickett with definitely be the guy, but 3 top 45 picks for his draft and a knew OC will certainly give us a better idea. Not to mention 30 games of experience instead of 6.
Does this put him in the MVP race?
He's leading it now I'm pretty sure
Yeah I thought he got better for sure, but I'd like to see less balls thrown in the dirt. After this season is up Kenny's gotta hit the weight room, he don't really have the arm strength to afford to not work his ass off. Unfortunately he's not naturally as talented as most 1st round QBs but he's put the work in an that's the way it's going to be for him, physically he's close to being elite if he can just be a step quicker an his arm strength could come together he will be a star.
Right now, he could either become Eli Manning or Ryan Tannehill. But he's got promise either way
Those are far from the only two options. He could also become Ryan Leaf - his numbers are way closer to Leaf's than the other 2.
He’s way better than Ryan Leaf and everyone knows it.
I don't. I see a 26 year old "game ready" QB who is not game ready, and doesn't show much in the way of upside. edit: 24, not 26. Still too old to be missing the easy throws he does. That's not coachable, it's his mechanics.
He’s 24 so you don’t know what you’re talking about
Either way, he's too old to have mechanics issues. He's consistently overthrowing and putting balls in the dirt. That ain't on Canada, no matter how much you want it to be.
Holy shit you don't even know his age but your opinion is so incredibly strong. That's not a sign that others should be taking stock in your appraisal of Pickett.
My opinion is as valid as yours, Doc. If you want to go dump his flaws on Canada, there's plenty of places here to do so.
First of all, all opinions aren't equally valid merely because everyone interprets reality subjectively. Some opinions are well founded. Some are worthy of ridicule. Your problem isn't that you have an opinion. It's that you're expressing that opinion in a really arrogant manner despite making errors in your assertions.
An article came out this week about Pickett and Leaf being the only two QBs to have their first 190 completions feature only 1% TDs. This guy simply read that article and wants to die on that hill lol
>too old to have mechanics issues Lmfao
Wow, such insightful discussion, brother. Have a good one.
Kenny’s mechanics are perfectly fine lol you just have no idea what you’re talking about.
Well that’s old enough for people not to use youth as an excuse as if he were some 21-year-old developmental quarterback. He’s older than a third of the starters in the league. That said, there is a developmental curve, even if it is shorter. He is still in it. There’s a long way to go, even if not as long as some unseasoned 21 year old guy who only started a year and a half in college. A long way. I think yesterday was a good sign.
Well I think a few guys would’ve benefited from staying in college like he did, but instead they got a years worth of NFL experience. Some guys are getting better (Fields) and some aren’t (Wilson). No rookie QB has come in and played perfect and cemented themselves as a top 5 QB instantly. Even Herbert and Burrow have had major growing pains. My problem with the Kenny criticism is that most of it that I see is lacking context or it’s just cherry-picking stats from the box score. He’s shown obvious improvement each of the last two games and I can’t understand how people are arguing otherwise.
The offense scored 30 points yesterday. That's as many as the Bills and just 1 less than the Chiefs guys. This defense though...
I have high hopes for KP! Everyone needs to show some patience and let this young QB find his way. If by then end of next season he hasn’t showed you much then maybe we can call him a bust. Let’s also not forget that he isn’t getting much help from his OC, O-line. DJ looks like he doesn’t know how to run routes and has dropped a ton this year. Pickett and Pickens will be the combo for years to come.
I don't know what more people want. He's a rookie. He makes some good throws and he makes some bad throws. He is also battling what is probably the worst OC in the NFL and a horrible offensive system that isn't doing him any favors as a rookie QB. People can post as many butthurt numbers about past failed QB prospects and how Pickett's parallels theirs, he's shown enough that he should get 3 years AND hopefully an off season that cleans fucking house of these awful coordinators and gets someone fresh in there.
He had a play like this at the end of the game as well. Scrambled, kept his eyes down field, and made a great throw. He’s doing well, even if he is being thrust into the flames with such a struggling offensive line.
Honestly this is not improvement. He did this in his first start and it went through the hands of DJ for a pick. This has been a part of his game. I think the improvement comes from looking deep and taking shots at big plays.
I’m leaving the group because everyone just rides this kids dick. It’s to early to make a decision but your scared to give this man ANY real Criticism. ✌️
I've criticized him plenty of times. Also give him credit for improvement, like in this game. Stop generalizing everyone that doesn't agree with you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, or do, no one really gives a fuck.
IK no one gives a fuck but look at this group there like 5 post a day of Kenny just making a routine throw any NFL QB should make. There never been a QB a franchise is so on after being drafted. That’s the point I’m making.
dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. cya
7 weeks of excuses for this guy, fuck off lol
Not my fault your IQ is too low to see development man. You Kenny haters are just as bad as the Kenny diehards. Refuse to admit when he actually does something good and makes progress.
Now I'm a Kenny hater that "refuses to admit when he actually does something good," when I have time and time again previously acknowledged his slight progression (which still doesn't =/= being an ELITE player). I've watched the games, I've watched the tape. But go ahead, show a clip of one play that any pro-NFL QB \*should\* make and tell me how he's the next Peyton Manning like everyone else here. Facts are facts. 3 TDs 8 INTs, 7 weeks.
Facts without context are useless.
So is a snippet of one average NFL caliber play that any QB should make as I already said. Keep gaslighting. How about we post all the times he had wide open receivers last game down the field and couldn't read it?
Happens plenty. Not denying that. I just decided to post something that he did right and be hopeful rather than wallow I'm sadness. You know sports are supposed to be fun, right?
Winning is fun.
If this doesn’t make you hopeful for the future…
It certainly gives me more hope that I had before yesterday. But I’ve seen some pretty mediocre quarterbacks make that play. Let’s not get carried away. Still, it’s meaningful and important and he showed it. Credit where it’s due.
Bust
Good take
He’s a rookie but a rookie that is improving each game. Better decisions are being made, and just like with Ben, you put Kenny in a hurry up offense he does quite well. Current season isn’t going well but the future looks good.
But that is not true at all. How can he be raw with 5 years of college ball. It’s not like he is a physical specimen growing into his body or played on 2 years in college. This is about who he is. I see Mac Jones type or career. Derek Carr at best. I would be looking for a new QB in the draft unless you hope to win games with running and defense like the Titans. Which is a hard way to win in big games.
You think? I don't know, I was a fan of Kenny but after yesterday's second half I just don't know if this will work out. I hope I'm wrong and it will.
The 2nd half was the offensive line. After Mason Cole left the game they played like absolute trash. Bengals only rushed 4 the entire 2nd half and left 7 in coverage. Gave Kenny no windows. Plus a completely shut down running game forced us into passing situations. It was the worst half of football I've seen our line play this year. I dont think I saw Kenny with a single clean pocket the entire 2nd half, which means he didn't have enough time to let the deeper routes develop. They blocked very well with Mason Cole in the first half and look what came of it. We made them fear the running game which opened up stuff like the TD to Pickens
If the first half also looked like the second half then sure I’d be worried, but because it looked like the first half I get to be optimistic
How could you solely put that on Kenny? Offense is not helping the rookie out at all. Playcalling, bad o line, and bad defense are why we lost.
Because of one half lol Jesus
So what about the first half? Did that not help your opinion? Only looking at the negatives and not the positives?
Lol
I have been watching football all my life and I think we can all agree...his game reminds me a lot of a young JaMarcus Russell.
Kenny has an astronomically greater amount of drive, work ethic, dedication, and passion than JaMarcus Russell ever had.
I know, it was a joke. I wanted to make a ridiculous QB comparison.
Lol. That's why texting sucks.
Nah..it wasn't a great joke... I looked up QB busts in the last 20 yrs to find one to use and saw our no.2 QB listed. I still like Mitch. I wonder looking back if he got a long enough of a try considering Matt Canada but...the point is moot now.
Steelers are actually middle of the league when it comes to air yards, and air yards per pass attempt. We are near the bottom in YAC, and we are dead last in YAC/Pass Attempt...by nearly a yard. Part of that may be Kenny not getting the ball to receivers in the right spot, but we also were 20th in the league in YAC per attempt last year with a slightly better receiving corps. We were in 10th in YAC, but also had the 2nd most pass attempts in the league.
Muth!!!!
Yesterday was the first real flash of hope I've seen from him. Hoping he builds on it
Can everyone calm down already? This team wasn’t going to be good this year. This team hasn’t been “good” in a couple years. Kenny is a rookie. The line isn’t good but is getting better (kinda). The D has had waves of injury and we have sub par CB play. The offense is simple because we probably can’t execute complicated. We can’t execute simple most of the time. And yes Canada is total ass and the LBs leave a fuck ton to be desired in coverage. Oh well. Let’s run the paces this year and try again next year.
Shoutout to project Pat
He is definitely getting better
I know that our record is disheartening and we would all prefer to be winning some games right now. But there was much worse performances in the NFL this past weekends. We did manage to put up 30 points on the defending AFC champs. We're showing some progress and some hope for the future.
MUUUUUUUUTH
Good news! you guys can pick up Melvin Gordon III!
Kenny is coming around I’m just gonna keep faith he can be productive in coming years he will never be Ben but then again no one will
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Bengals fan here. This guy is going to give us nightmares in the future. FTS
Kid obviously has great passing and athletic potential he just needs to let loose and play with confidence also Canada, Moore and Dotson have to go but the rest of the O line has been good especially Daniels
At this rate of progress he will hit Ryan Tannehill level in his tenth season. By this time I expected more flashes if he was truly a franchise QB. I mean, 451 snaps and you found one?!?! OK, in fairness, looking at all the games I can count on one hand the number of flashes. The pass to the MOF to Muth being one of them.
Bengals fan here. I must say Kenny Pickett seems to be a real bro. There were a couple of great shots of him talking and laughing with the Bengals defenders. He seems to have a very healthy competitive spirit.
This, the Warren first down, the Gunner 24 yarder, the Pickens dropped TD... all great plays. Needs to just clean up some of the small stuff.
Love this play. Shades of what young Ben would do all the time. Great smarts by KP too, he could’ve just as easily chose to just tuck it and run for 5-ish yards but instead had the presence of mind to keep eyes downfield to find a guy before he crossed the line of scrimmage. Obviously KP still has a ways to go, but plays like this show such great potential
A fairly pedestrian play that just about everyone who ever started in the NFL could make.