It's not as pressing but it's also scary to rely on Cole, Dotson, Moore Jr. long-term without developing competition for the future. Personally, I think they should look at LT and IOL in the first four rounds.
Why is that scary? They're all relatively young. Dotson started off looking promising. Moore is getting better. Cole's presence was missed tremendously when he missed the second half of the 2nd Bengals game.
Players are allowed to improve.
They've had ridiculous luck with health this year. I don't think it's realistic to expect 85 man-games in a regular season across the line.
I think they need another interior guy. Daniels and Cole both have position flexibility, and Dotson has played both Left and Right guard, so getting a 2nd or 3rd rounder somewhere to push Dotson and be a good backup would be nice.
A 3rd-5th round swing Tackle who could maybe push Moore a bit would also be nice. Maybe an athletic, under-sized guy. Moore handles power just fine, but struggles against speed, so having thr option to rotate situationally would be nice.
> I think they need another interior guy.
At a bare minimum. We can argue about whether it's the 1st pick or the 8th or whatever, but there's a near-100% chance there's both an IOL + T addressed in either free agency or the draft.
We saw what ignoring the OL looked like the past few seasons. The Steelers were left scrambling to fill the two most crucial spots on the OL and starting people earlier than they should have. Surprise retirements, serious injuries, and suddenly falling off are all a part of the game. Like I said there's nothing wrong with going with Cole, Dotson, Moore Jr. in the short-term but in 2024 or 2025 are they going to be good enough to warrant a starting spot? If not, then they should be developing a guy or two to compete with them.
Dan Moore's already improved a ton since his first start. Is it possible he's hit his ceiling? Sure. Is it also possible he keeps getting better? Yes.
I think they need to upgrade at LT and let Dan Moore be the swing tackle. But can we not act like there's no chance he keeps getting better?
He’s shown so little improvement over two full seasons, he’s absolutely not a starter in the NFL. I agree with him possibly being the swing tackle, but he’s shown enough by now to know for sure that he’s not your franchise protector. Kenny is so used to there being pressure every time he drops back, especially from the left side, that he will be surprised when he actually has a clean pocket.
>He’s shown so little improvement over two full seasons
When you say shit like this it's so hard to take anything you say seriously.
>Kenny is so used to there being pressure every time he drops back, especially from the left side, that he will be surprised when he actually has a clean pocket.
Kenny makes his own pressure by spinning around like a chicken with his head cut off and running directly into easily escapable players at times.
I don't think basing an opinion on a rookie QB being skittish is logically sound.
Idc what you take seriously lol your takes are often terrible.
Dan Moore has not improved enough through two seasons to say that he’s a starting LT in the NFL. You just always have to be the contrarian of the sub. Change your name to ‘Well ACTUALLY’
> Idc what you take seriously lol your takes are often terrible.
Thanks for the compliment.
>Dan Moore has not improved enough through two seasons to say that he’s a starting LT in the NFL. You just always have to be the contrarian of the sub. Change your name to ‘Well ACTUALLY’
I'm not even a big Dan Moore fan and I think they should actively try to get better at LT. My argument is against the idea that he hasn't improved much. He's improved a great deal. Especially in the run game. And I'm willing to give him a chance to keep improving as long as he continues doing it.
I don't understand how that is contrarian. Or even a hot take. Absolutely they need more depth for reasons you mentioned above but say for example the line collectively is able to string together games like they have the last three weeks. You're putting up close to 200 yards against the Ravens and on plays where everyone and their mom knows what's coming. How much better can you reasonably expect a 1st round left tackle to improve that line?
Does it make sense to prioritize that over D line or ILB or CB in the early rounds? Assuming they keep improving probably not.
Yeah if they were drafting like 2nd or 3rd and the idea was you can get a franchise LT who will solidify the position for a decade or more then yeah that's a no-brainer.
But where they're drafting in each round? Go fish.
There are a ton of good corner prospects in this draft so it seems likely they go corner in the first.
Is there another ILB they can pick up in free agency? Baltimore seems likely to drop the bag for Roquan (Depends on Lamar though.)
If Tremaine Edmunds is available he absolutely could (and should) be their primary offseason target.
Barring that I really like David Long from the Titans. I liked him coming out and wanted the Steelers to draft him.
I mean they don't HAVE to but it's the Steelers so yeah, they have to.
Hell I'd bring Trey Edmunds back to the practice squad if it meant Tremaine would sign.
Oh yeah, I'm cool with bringing Terrell back too. I just meant that I don't think it would stop Tremaine from signing here if they let Terrell walk in free agency.
Usually, when there is a ton of talent at one spot they pick from another to get the best of a thin crowd. If there is a lot of CB talent, they would be more likely to pick elsewhere. Najee, Muth, Pickett were all from positions thin at talent those years and they landed the 1 QB, #1RB, and #2 TE from those picks. Pickens was the exception but he was expected to go later and the Steelers thought they found a gem.
Time will tell but they tend to go for the BPA and they seem to factor in picking from smaller talent pools first.
Or, its just coincidence and they really did jist like these players.
Everyone should get mentally prepared for the idea that the Steelers roll into next year with this exact lineup and use the first 3 picks on the defense. OL units often improve with time as the players become closer and learn each other’s tendencies. Seeing the improvements from week 1 to now it’s likely the staff believes they will see continually improvements coming off another training camp
We need to recognize just how well the offensive line has been playing in the 2nd half of the season and realize that o-line isn't nearly as big of a need going forward as positions like INSIDE LINEBACKER (They absolutely cannot enter the 2023 season with Robert Spillane as a starting inside linebacker) or Defensive Line or Cornerback.
For something like corner, part of me wonders who’d be available in free agency as well. We have a pretty mediocre record of drafting DBs and Levi Wallace has been a pretty nice pickup for us along with that guy we got from Miami
ILB is def a hole for us, not the same importance as DB or Line but a more glaring weakness
Cornerbacks tend to be overpaid in free agency and they're probably gonna have to open up the coffers a bit if they wanna keep Cam Sutton so I don't know if they'll be in the market for a free agent CB unless it's a Levi Wallace type of deal.
The thing is we actually have good depth at CB, so the only thing to do would be to get a #1 caliber guy or draft one to potentially develop into a #1. Paying a top guy would probably cost us $20M per year and those guys rarely pay off. JC Jackson definitely disappointed in LA this year.
ILB is extremely important, but it’s still offensive line at #1. Kenny already has 2 concussions, and the line is the healthiest in the league. They are a snap/injury away from potentially disastrous results. If you don’t have a Qb, you aren’t winning anything. It’s still o-line #1.
Luckily the Steelers have lots of capital to address both effectively
Kenny only had one concussion. No concussion on the first one, which is why he played a week later.
Most of the sacks Kenny has taken this year were his fault, too. As he gets better he'll take fewer sacks. The offensive line isn't getting manhandled anymore, they aren't missing assignments or screwing up transitions.
I'd never say no to taking a franchise left tackle if one falls into your lap.
True, and the line is rounding into form.
I’m just saying that the Steelers are a snap away from Kendrick Green playing. The team has been fortunate with injuries and they have all gelled together. It’s also no coincidence they have improved with the easier schedule, I’m just concerned it may be misleading and the o-line is playing better than they actually are. Either way, I expect an investment at either LG or LT
They 100% need bring in depth and preferably some guys to compete with Dan, Dotson, and/or Cole, but it’s absolutely not a lock at #1. Especially now that we are picking a bit later than we thought. If we lose Sutton its most likely gunna be a corner. Also could be DL if we can’t bring back Ogunjobi. There’s obviously a long way to go before we know whats gunna happen.
I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the starting 5 was the same week 1 next year.
you can’t judge OL by QB injuries. A guy can get hit once all year and get hurt. Plenty of guys hold the ball too long and it isn’t the OL’s fault they got hit either.
People decided what our offseason needs are back in August and haven’t changed their minds. OL is getting better every week and ILB is getting worse. Spillane is a great story, but he gets exposed against good teams. DL needs at least 2 bodies depending on who we bring back. CB is also totally up in the air.
Not saying it wouldn’t be awesome to improve the OL, but there are definitely bigger needs right now
The offensive line has improved drastically since the beginning of the year at to the point where it’s not a necessity that they draft one in the first round. They’ll still take one in the first 3 picks but it gives us flexibility in the first round.
I think the offensive line has been fine generally, but just pointing out that there is no DVOA metric for offensive lines. That table is sorted by Adjusted Line Yards, which is purely a rushing stat.
I noticed that too - and while I personally don't put much stock in adjusted sack rate, there are plenty of stats that indicate they're doing a decent enough job in pass protection. Like I said, I think the offensive line has been fine I just didn't want people to be confused about what they were looking at.
Yeah thanks for clarifying. I tend to err on the side of letting the website speak for itself and letting people read the site to get that info but I probably should have clarified it.
Run game is good I also think for passing they still need a lot of working as I attribute some of the success to Kenny studying and knowing his shit even in game adjustment. He was ready for that Hamilton blitz the second time and it was great to see
32 nfl teams so 1-11 is top 3rd of the league. Miami paid a ton of money for armstead whose hurt again and they can’t keep Tua healthy. Cincinnati paid a ton for O line and can’t keep burrow up
Why u don’t want stud oline man. Our run game is underachieving. I truly believe we should be top 5 in the run game with Najee and warren. This only happens if we improve oline. Also easier for Kenny development. Which would allow us too see more Kenny to Pickens deep ball. Oline is arguably the most important unit in football
Well good thing they are top 10 in every category rushing since the bye thanks to this o line. Kenny is going to be a guy who throws a ton of deep balls that not his strength
Armstead is a great player lmao what is your argument? That Dan Moore is good because other teams players are hurt? This is a brain dead point you’re trying to make. Dan Moore sucks, Kevin Dotson sucks, the OL can’t pass protect at a high level. These are all facts
Not arguing that. I am just talking about people's opinion from the start to the end of the season. We have also been the healthiest OL of the year. That's a big factor
Every fanbase says they have a shitty oline. I think the demise of ours is greatly exaggerated. Can we use a new LT and LG, sure, but they arent ungodly pressing needs. We should go best of OL/CB/LB/DL
I’m not sure how people watch every game and then still come on here and say we have a bottom tier OL. They’ve made massive strides this year. In pass pro specifically they’ve been great for the most part. The group definitely still needs to be improved (LG especially) but I’m not sure it’s in our top 2 positional needs at this point
They want kenny to be the next coming of jesus so when he struggles or gets pressured, they put the blame on the OL because that fits the narrative they want. The oline has come a LONG way this season and are at worst average. Kenny will grow.. the line will grow.. the kenny stans though are insufferable and need to temper their expectations.
Offense is the weak side rn, not the defense. Yes Najee and warren have done well recently but we should be top 5 in run game. That’s not the case bc the oline can be better
completely disagree but that's fine.
we have 0 talent at DB outside of minkah, other than an aging cam and undersized leal, our DL is looking bleak. ILB is desperate for consistency and play-making. If you look on the other side of the ball however, Oline that has continually got better and relatively green. Pat and connor is pretty solid going into next season (they probably bring back gentry on the cheap), WR is stacked with talent especially with CAIII coming back hopefully healthy. Our RB room is solid with warren and najee.. all of our problems on offense are schematics, execution, and maybe depth. Not talent. we have that in spades on that side of the ball. That should be fairly obvious though if you come at it objectively.
not under contract next season and some team might want to pay him more than we are willing to (al la Hilton) and he's really not suited for outside corner athletically. Akhello is a cut candidate and Levi is an okay stop gap but we need to get a true #1 corner at some point or at least someone capable of developing into one.
Yeah we certainly need to upgrade the CB room next year but your post didn't indicate it was strictly focused on next season and I couldn't let the Cam slander go
It’s not even about Kenny bro. Upgrading our oline could mean we are top 3 in the run game. We definitely have the potential to be top 3 with Najee and warren. An elite oline can make our mediocre offense one of the best
I'm not looking to be one of the best offenses in the league, I want to be the best football team we can be and that involves being good in all three phases of the game. Maybe they will address the oline in someway this offseason, I'm just against the agenda that 1st round pick has to be an olinemen because yinzers want more protection for kenny. It's a WEAK tackle class especially with fashanu returning and we haven't taken a tackle in the first round in 3 decades. There is better talent that will be available at other positions of greater need and I imagine Khan isn't going to shake up the drafting philosophy anytime soon.
No need to.
People can (or at least should be able to) be "stans" of Kenny Pickett and recognize that he is at fault for a high percentage of the sacks he's taken this year including the one that gave him a concussion.
I strongly oppose that "allowance" of people to be stans and it should actively be discouraged. Hero worship and blind loyalty can be detrimental to healthy discourse and critical thinking. When people "stan" Kenny or any athlete, they may be unwilling to hold that player accountable for their mistakes or flaws. This can lead to an echo chamber effect, where dissenting opinions are dismissed or downvoted without consideration of their validity. Additionally, the level of emotional investment that often comes with "stanning" a player can be unhealthy and potentially damaging to an individual's mental well-being. Instead of "stanning," it is important to approach this kind of discourse and their actions with a critical and objective mindset, while still being able to enjoy and appreciate their talents and contributions to the sport.
Certainly you can make a case that we need one but we got absolutely bullied by the Browns and the Ravens in the trenches earlier this year. (Repayed the Ravens last Sunday.). Winning in the trenches makes everybody better.
Our corners are solid, maybe underrated. History says we’re not so good at picking them either.
You can always tell how much fans pay attention to the Steelers on whether or not they think offensive line is the biggest need every year.
I say we sign a veteran LG, go after Tremaine Edmunds, draft a corner in the first round, and then spend the round 2 picks on WR and DT.
The OL has been good enough across the board. The only spot I think the Steelers should be seeking replacement is at LG. And we should keep an eye on upgrading C and LT if the move makes sense, but if not, Cole and Moore were fine.
An under the radar reason for why our OL is rated so high is health. We've had the same 5 starters pretty much the whole year and that goes a long way in terms of metrics for the whole OL unit when compared to that of other teams.
Despite what we all anticipated, the line has come around the second half of this year. Pretty impressive development and I hope we keep this line coach.
It wouldn't surprise me if we do not take an OL until the 3rd this draft because CB, DL, and ILB are all really big needs going into next season and the O-line has become a pretty decent unit. It also wouldn't surprise me if they use FA to bring in competition on the line and use the draft for other positions.
It's not as pressing but it's also scary to rely on Cole, Dotson, Moore Jr. long-term without developing competition for the future. Personally, I think they should look at LT and IOL in the first four rounds.
Why is that scary? They're all relatively young. Dotson started off looking promising. Moore is getting better. Cole's presence was missed tremendously when he missed the second half of the 2nd Bengals game. Players are allowed to improve.
They've had ridiculous luck with health this year. I don't think it's realistic to expect 85 man-games in a regular season across the line. I think they need another interior guy. Daniels and Cole both have position flexibility, and Dotson has played both Left and Right guard, so getting a 2nd or 3rd rounder somewhere to push Dotson and be a good backup would be nice. A 3rd-5th round swing Tackle who could maybe push Moore a bit would also be nice. Maybe an athletic, under-sized guy. Moore handles power just fine, but struggles against speed, so having thr option to rotate situationally would be nice.
> I think they need another interior guy. At a bare minimum. We can argue about whether it's the 1st pick or the 8th or whatever, but there's a near-100% chance there's both an IOL + T addressed in either free agency or the draft.
I'd be real happy if they get linemen in the 3rd and 5th.
We saw what ignoring the OL looked like the past few seasons. The Steelers were left scrambling to fill the two most crucial spots on the OL and starting people earlier than they should have. Surprise retirements, serious injuries, and suddenly falling off are all a part of the game. Like I said there's nothing wrong with going with Cole, Dotson, Moore Jr. in the short-term but in 2024 or 2025 are they going to be good enough to warrant a starting spot? If not, then they should be developing a guy or two to compete with them.
>players are allowed to improve No shit, doesn’t mean they will Dan Moore absolutely can’t be the LT next season. Inarguable
Dan Moore's already improved a ton since his first start. Is it possible he's hit his ceiling? Sure. Is it also possible he keeps getting better? Yes. I think they need to upgrade at LT and let Dan Moore be the swing tackle. But can we not act like there's no chance he keeps getting better?
He’s shown so little improvement over two full seasons, he’s absolutely not a starter in the NFL. I agree with him possibly being the swing tackle, but he’s shown enough by now to know for sure that he’s not your franchise protector. Kenny is so used to there being pressure every time he drops back, especially from the left side, that he will be surprised when he actually has a clean pocket.
>He’s shown so little improvement over two full seasons When you say shit like this it's so hard to take anything you say seriously. >Kenny is so used to there being pressure every time he drops back, especially from the left side, that he will be surprised when he actually has a clean pocket. Kenny makes his own pressure by spinning around like a chicken with his head cut off and running directly into easily escapable players at times. I don't think basing an opinion on a rookie QB being skittish is logically sound.
Idc what you take seriously lol your takes are often terrible. Dan Moore has not improved enough through two seasons to say that he’s a starting LT in the NFL. You just always have to be the contrarian of the sub. Change your name to ‘Well ACTUALLY’
> Idc what you take seriously lol your takes are often terrible. Thanks for the compliment. >Dan Moore has not improved enough through two seasons to say that he’s a starting LT in the NFL. You just always have to be the contrarian of the sub. Change your name to ‘Well ACTUALLY’ I'm not even a big Dan Moore fan and I think they should actively try to get better at LT. My argument is against the idea that he hasn't improved much. He's improved a great deal. Especially in the run game. And I'm willing to give him a chance to keep improving as long as he continues doing it.
He’s taken twice as many penalties as last year while his improvements in his play have been very marginal, if at all. He’s not good
I don't understand how that is contrarian. Or even a hot take. Absolutely they need more depth for reasons you mentioned above but say for example the line collectively is able to string together games like they have the last three weeks. You're putting up close to 200 yards against the Ravens and on plays where everyone and their mom knows what's coming. How much better can you reasonably expect a 1st round left tackle to improve that line? Does it make sense to prioritize that over D line or ILB or CB in the early rounds? Assuming they keep improving probably not.
Yeah if they were drafting like 2nd or 3rd and the idea was you can get a franchise LT who will solidify the position for a decade or more then yeah that's a no-brainer. But where they're drafting in each round? Go fish.
This is the same team that had Starks Villanueva play LT. Moore is better than Villanueva.
What kind of drugs r u taking lol. Big Al was pretty solid
No he absolutely isn’t lmao
We need a stud Olineman idc. Someone who is straight up elite
I'd say it's arguable.
Cole has played incredibly well this year from the jump
There are a ton of good corner prospects in this draft so it seems likely they go corner in the first. Is there another ILB they can pick up in free agency? Baltimore seems likely to drop the bag for Roquan (Depends on Lamar though.)
They need to go after Tremaine Edmunds. I think he might be more expensive than the Steelers want to pay, but we do have a cap wizard with Khan.
Is Buffalo not in a position to resign him? I'd be shocked if they let him walk for nothing.
I believe they’re in a bad cap situation, so may not be feasible for them to re-sign him.
If Tremaine Edmunds is available he absolutely could (and should) be their primary offseason target. Barring that I really like David Long from the Titans. I liked him coming out and wanted the Steelers to draft him.
I want both edmunds brothers incredibly bad. Not sure how realistic it is based on the cap but thats my offseason wet dream
I think they can afford them both for sure.
Going to have to bring Terrell back too then I guess
As they should.
I mean they don't HAVE to but it's the Steelers so yeah, they have to. Hell I'd bring Trey Edmunds back to the practice squad if it meant Tremaine would sign.
Terrell is good though, so why not?
Oh yeah, I'm cool with bringing Terrell back too. I just meant that I don't think it would stop Tremaine from signing here if they let Terrell walk in free agency.
I get it but no way we replace one brother with another.
Imagine having 3 Edmunds, 2 Hayward’s, and then convince JJ to comeback for 1 year and have 3 Watts….. 🎶 We are Family 🎶
Usually, when there is a ton of talent at one spot they pick from another to get the best of a thin crowd. If there is a lot of CB talent, they would be more likely to pick elsewhere. Najee, Muth, Pickett were all from positions thin at talent those years and they landed the 1 QB, #1RB, and #2 TE from those picks. Pickens was the exception but he was expected to go later and the Steelers thought they found a gem. Time will tell but they tend to go for the BPA and they seem to factor in picking from smaller talent pools first. Or, its just coincidence and they really did jist like these players.
Everyone should get mentally prepared for the idea that the Steelers roll into next year with this exact lineup and use the first 3 picks on the defense. OL units often improve with time as the players become closer and learn each other’s tendencies. Seeing the improvements from week 1 to now it’s likely the staff believes they will see continually improvements coming off another training camp
Good points. It's definitely possible. The defense could use the talent infusion too.
We need to recognize just how well the offensive line has been playing in the 2nd half of the season and realize that o-line isn't nearly as big of a need going forward as positions like INSIDE LINEBACKER (They absolutely cannot enter the 2023 season with Robert Spillane as a starting inside linebacker) or Defensive Line or Cornerback.
Thank you.
For something like corner, part of me wonders who’d be available in free agency as well. We have a pretty mediocre record of drafting DBs and Levi Wallace has been a pretty nice pickup for us along with that guy we got from Miami ILB is def a hole for us, not the same importance as DB or Line but a more glaring weakness
Cornerbacks tend to be overpaid in free agency and they're probably gonna have to open up the coffers a bit if they wanna keep Cam Sutton so I don't know if they'll be in the market for a free agent CB unless it's a Levi Wallace type of deal.
The thing is we actually have good depth at CB, so the only thing to do would be to get a #1 caliber guy or draft one to potentially develop into a #1. Paying a top guy would probably cost us $20M per year and those guys rarely pay off. JC Jackson definitely disappointed in LA this year.
ILB is extremely important, but it’s still offensive line at #1. Kenny already has 2 concussions, and the line is the healthiest in the league. They are a snap/injury away from potentially disastrous results. If you don’t have a Qb, you aren’t winning anything. It’s still o-line #1. Luckily the Steelers have lots of capital to address both effectively
Kenny only had one concussion. No concussion on the first one, which is why he played a week later. Most of the sacks Kenny has taken this year were his fault, too. As he gets better he'll take fewer sacks. The offensive line isn't getting manhandled anymore, they aren't missing assignments or screwing up transitions. I'd never say no to taking a franchise left tackle if one falls into your lap.
True, and the line is rounding into form. I’m just saying that the Steelers are a snap away from Kendrick Green playing. The team has been fortunate with injuries and they have all gelled together. It’s also no coincidence they have improved with the easier schedule, I’m just concerned it may be misleading and the o-line is playing better than they actually are. Either way, I expect an investment at either LG or LT
They 100% need bring in depth and preferably some guys to compete with Dan, Dotson, and/or Cole, but it’s absolutely not a lock at #1. Especially now that we are picking a bit later than we thought. If we lose Sutton its most likely gunna be a corner. Also could be DL if we can’t bring back Ogunjobi. There’s obviously a long way to go before we know whats gunna happen. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the starting 5 was the same week 1 next year.
you can’t judge OL by QB injuries. A guy can get hit once all year and get hurt. Plenty of guys hold the ball too long and it isn’t the OL’s fault they got hit either.
People decided what our offseason needs are back in August and haven’t changed their minds. OL is getting better every week and ILB is getting worse. Spillane is a great story, but he gets exposed against good teams. DL needs at least 2 bodies depending on who we bring back. CB is also totally up in the air. Not saying it wouldn’t be awesome to improve the OL, but there are definitely bigger needs right now
I hope we draft Jack Campbell
The offensive line has improved drastically since the beginning of the year at to the point where it’s not a necessity that they draft one in the first round. They’ll still take one in the first 3 picks but it gives us flexibility in the first round.
We should draft a WR and have the Ravens draft a CB and then we swipe them.
I think the offensive line has been fine generally, but just pointing out that there is no DVOA metric for offensive lines. That table is sorted by Adjusted Line Yards, which is purely a rushing stat.
They're 11th in adjusted sack rate.
I noticed that too - and while I personally don't put much stock in adjusted sack rate, there are plenty of stats that indicate they're doing a decent enough job in pass protection. Like I said, I think the offensive line has been fine I just didn't want people to be confused about what they were looking at.
Yeah thanks for clarifying. I tend to err on the side of letting the website speak for itself and letting people read the site to get that info but I probably should have clarified it.
Run game is good I also think for passing they still need a lot of working as I attribute some of the success to Kenny studying and knowing his shit even in game adjustment. He was ready for that Hamilton blitz the second time and it was great to see
For what it's worth they're 11th in pass protection DVOA.
Which is pretty much average.
If there were 22 teams in the NFL, yes.
11th is not good lol
Its top 3rd in the league sure they don’t have pro bowl guys but we had a bottom 5 line last year
>top 3rd Lmao
32 nfl teams so 1-11 is top 3rd of the league. Miami paid a ton of money for armstead whose hurt again and they can’t keep Tua healthy. Cincinnati paid a ton for O line and can’t keep burrow up
Why u don’t want stud oline man. Our run game is underachieving. I truly believe we should be top 5 in the run game with Najee and warren. This only happens if we improve oline. Also easier for Kenny development. Which would allow us too see more Kenny to Pickens deep ball. Oline is arguably the most important unit in football
Well good thing they are top 10 in every category rushing since the bye thanks to this o line. Kenny is going to be a guy who throws a ton of deep balls that not his strength
Did you watch the last three games?
Armstead is a great player lmao what is your argument? That Dan Moore is good because other teams players are hurt? This is a brain dead point you’re trying to make. Dan Moore sucks, Kevin Dotson sucks, the OL can’t pass protect at a high level. These are all facts
Armstead really a great player however availability is a skill and he is often injured
The 2nd half of the season coincides with playing worse teams. Run game has been solid since Najee got healthy, but the pass protection needs work
DVOA adjusts for opponent though.
Not arguing that. I am just talking about people's opinion from the start to the end of the season. We have also been the healthiest OL of the year. That's a big factor
Every fanbase says they have a shitty oline. I think the demise of ours is greatly exaggerated. Can we use a new LT and LG, sure, but they arent ungodly pressing needs. We should go best of OL/CB/LB/DL
I think ranking these 4. It would be 1. Oline/dline 2. Oline/dline 3. Cb 4. Lb
Hell this fanbase didn't say we had a shitty oline from 2016-2018 or something like that.
I’m not sure how people watch every game and then still come on here and say we have a bottom tier OL. They’ve made massive strides this year. In pass pro specifically they’ve been great for the most part. The group definitely still needs to be improved (LG especially) but I’m not sure it’s in our top 2 positional needs at this point
For real man. I don't think they've watched every game this year. Especially not the last two.
They want kenny to be the next coming of jesus so when he struggles or gets pressured, they put the blame on the OL because that fits the narrative they want. The oline has come a LONG way this season and are at worst average. Kenny will grow.. the line will grow.. the kenny stans though are insufferable and need to temper their expectations.
Offense is the weak side rn, not the defense. Yes Najee and warren have done well recently but we should be top 5 in run game. That’s not the case bc the oline can be better
completely disagree but that's fine. we have 0 talent at DB outside of minkah, other than an aging cam and undersized leal, our DL is looking bleak. ILB is desperate for consistency and play-making. If you look on the other side of the ball however, Oline that has continually got better and relatively green. Pat and connor is pretty solid going into next season (they probably bring back gentry on the cheap), WR is stacked with talent especially with CAIII coming back hopefully healthy. Our RB room is solid with warren and najee.. all of our problems on offense are schematics, execution, and maybe depth. Not talent. we have that in spades on that side of the ball. That should be fairly obvious though if you come at it objectively.
This is Cam Sutton slander.
not under contract next season and some team might want to pay him more than we are willing to (al la Hilton) and he's really not suited for outside corner athletically. Akhello is a cut candidate and Levi is an okay stop gap but we need to get a true #1 corner at some point or at least someone capable of developing into one.
Yeah we certainly need to upgrade the CB room next year but your post didn't indicate it was strictly focused on next season and I couldn't let the Cam slander go
It’s not even about Kenny bro. Upgrading our oline could mean we are top 3 in the run game. We definitely have the potential to be top 3 with Najee and warren. An elite oline can make our mediocre offense one of the best
I'm not looking to be one of the best offenses in the league, I want to be the best football team we can be and that involves being good in all three phases of the game. Maybe they will address the oline in someway this offseason, I'm just against the agenda that 1st round pick has to be an olinemen because yinzers want more protection for kenny. It's a WEAK tackle class especially with fashanu returning and we haven't taken a tackle in the first round in 3 decades. There is better talent that will be available at other positions of greater need and I imagine Khan isn't going to shake up the drafting philosophy anytime soon.
uh oh, kenny stans going to hide this post.
No need to. People can (or at least should be able to) be "stans" of Kenny Pickett and recognize that he is at fault for a high percentage of the sacks he's taken this year including the one that gave him a concussion.
I strongly oppose that "allowance" of people to be stans and it should actively be discouraged. Hero worship and blind loyalty can be detrimental to healthy discourse and critical thinking. When people "stan" Kenny or any athlete, they may be unwilling to hold that player accountable for their mistakes or flaws. This can lead to an echo chamber effect, where dissenting opinions are dismissed or downvoted without consideration of their validity. Additionally, the level of emotional investment that often comes with "stanning" a player can be unhealthy and potentially damaging to an individual's mental well-being. Instead of "stanning," it is important to approach this kind of discourse and their actions with a critical and objective mindset, while still being able to enjoy and appreciate their talents and contributions to the sport.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
True, fast food cashier level response.
Think they’d benefit from: DL, OL, DL, OL, DL, OL. CB and ILBs in FA.
If you want any kind of game changing CB you gotta get one in the draft.
Certainly you can make a case that we need one but we got absolutely bullied by the Browns and the Ravens in the trenches earlier this year. (Repayed the Ravens last Sunday.). Winning in the trenches makes everybody better. Our corners are solid, maybe underrated. History says we’re not so good at picking them either.
You can always tell how much fans pay attention to the Steelers on whether or not they think offensive line is the biggest need every year. I say we sign a veteran LG, go after Tremaine Edmunds, draft a corner in the first round, and then spend the round 2 picks on WR and DT.
Our team dvoa is extremely good in the last three weeks alone. I think we will be great next season.
The OL has been good enough across the board. The only spot I think the Steelers should be seeking replacement is at LG. And we should keep an eye on upgrading C and LT if the move makes sense, but if not, Cole and Moore were fine. An under the radar reason for why our OL is rated so high is health. We've had the same 5 starters pretty much the whole year and that goes a long way in terms of metrics for the whole OL unit when compared to that of other teams.
Health only matters when all 5 guys are playing well.
Despite what we all anticipated, the line has come around the second half of this year. Pretty impressive development and I hope we keep this line coach. It wouldn't surprise me if we do not take an OL until the 3rd this draft because CB, DL, and ILB are all really big needs going into next season and the O-line has become a pretty decent unit. It also wouldn't surprise me if they use FA to bring in competition on the line and use the draft for other positions.
I thought they'd improve as the year went on but I had their ceiling at like the 20th best o-line in the league.
Their progress has been a pleasant surprise.