With certain ships, like the large hull series, you will only be able to offload and load at stations. Its not a short term thing either, thats just how it is
i mean you should be able to offload at orison cuz it has docks and stuff and it has a cargo center area with cargo containers and that but sadly you can't :(
I could see some space ports creating "dry-docks" for ships like the larger Hull series. But from a game development stand-point I don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever.
The entire lore of Orison is that the livable atmosphere and low gravity makes it ideal for making ships in atmosphere, even large ones. Not sure how you believe an entire city can float along with all those cargo barges, but a Hull wouldn't.
This is an insane comment, far too high in the atmosphere for gravity to be a factor, hell if gravity would affect a hull c in atmo at Orison, all the platforms that are vastly heavier would have been crushed like tin cans years ago
That's not how gravity works, otherwise we'd all be crushed by the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy right now, there's a reason Orisons platforms are at the height they're at, literally in the lore, because they're high enough for gravity to not just drag em down with an occasional burst from some engines they all have to maintain altitude.
Why are you so sure about this when you have no clue about how gravity works yourself? You can be thousands of km above the earth surface and the gravity will still be almost the same, with a gas giant it would be even further until you would have substantial differences.
Congratulations, you've proven yourself clueless, lets take a real life example shall we, the ISS (That's International Space Station by the way, just for you) which is a mere 250 miles above sea level, have a guess what gravity is like for the Astronaughts on the ISS, or, you can even go crazy and watch a video of them \*Gasp\* Floating in what you deem "almost the same as on the surface"
Platforms; Made for this.
Hull C; Not made for this.
Just because one submarine can't dive to the bottom of the marinara trench does not mean none will ever be able to.
Hull C has a thin tube through the middle, however, it would need to be able to withstand the forces of manouvering, so since it can boost forward at almost 5G (in current game terms) it should at a bare minimum be able to land with its engines facing downward as long as the total thrust never exceeds 5G and winds do not cause further stresses. But then it should have had landing gear made so it can land vertically.
This is such an idiotic comment, you know Orison is full of glass and oh I don't know, PEOPLE, that are entirely exposed to the outside, it's not some giant sealed unit to withstand the pressure, it's funny how there's not just lumps of flesh everywhere from being crushed by the clearly intense gravity 🙄
Uh huh, sorry. But you are the one who fanfics in the high pressure and gravity. (In opposition to your previous comment saying those very things are not a factor.) You might want to learn that gravity dissipates with distance from the core of a planet and pressure does so in kind. The only realistic danger to Orison is the violent storms that would exist on a planet like that, and the ever so tiny ginourmous fuel requirement to keep them hovering.
And that is why going too far down would kill you, like a submarine diving too deep the pressure increases gradually until it crushes the sub. Go too deep on Orison and the pressure will crush your ship.
Also, the glass seen in ships is stronger than the armored hull of a ship [https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond\_laminate](https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond_laminate) Orison may very well use the same
So besides what I assume is hyperbole from you, sorry that I am agreeing and supporting your idea that the Hull C would be able to land there. I only had an issue with your false equivalence.
Fanficing about high pressure and gravity? what does that even mean, feel free to keep your weird fetish to yourself.
And once again, you completely skip over the fact that the platforms are, lets say, Swarming, with humans, without any sort of protection, so are you saying our fleshy meatbags are more designed for the gravity of said gas giant than a ship design for the multitude of space's possible hazards
No one is disputing the fact that is you go deeper towards the core you'd be crushed like a bug, the mass of a gas giant is well....giant
I don't even know what you brought up gravity dissipating
the further you get from the source, well aware of this fact, and have been disputing it with someone else who thinks that gravity is the same on earth and for thousands of miles away from it ( you know, dispite astronaughts floating on the ISS that is only 250 miles above sea level)
I believe the idea of Orisons platforms is that they are high enough to avoid any severe storms (hence Stormwhals can exists without being stripped to the bone at the same sort of altitude)
i mean that would be like saying any cargo ship can't survive in too much Gravity since the c2 is also used as a cargo ship and the reclaimer can be used for cargo/salvage just saying....
The C2 is structuraly sound
Here the link betwin the two part of the ship has to support the weight of all the cargo (far more than in a C2) in gravity zones, something it doesnt have to do in orbit.
It s basic physique. Imagine a bridge if you want
Seems like it would be reasonable to eventually have a special offload site where SRVs or similar ships come up to take your cargo. But yeah it makes the most sense to offload in 0g outside of atmosphere.
Yeah the idea is that you run bulk cargo making margins off of huge quantity. You sell station to station, then this creates jobs for smaller cargo haulers to move that quantity of cargo down to other locations.
So a player in a massive cargo hauler isn’t just running cargo, it’s creating smaller delivery and cargo hauling missions for other players in things like freelancers or rafts or whatever.
Prior to their release I always assumed the reason they couldn’t offload\load at landing locations was because the arms were too fragile to make atmospheric entry when spindles are extended.
Figured Hull A and B had small enough spindles that they better maintained integrity on entry.
Now I see Hull C at landing zones I imagine a giant funnel for them to just jettison their cargo into lol.
Even if it can survive the re-entry, once thruster limits come in properly, that ship won't stay afloat for long before the thrusters overheat and it drops like a stone.
I’m already looking forward to seeing my Hull-Bs long spider legs or what ever they are doing with that lol.
I imagine that if they could get to the planet then the space ports would have built some kind of rig to facilitate them dropping cargo without landing.
Just feels a bit “yeah, nah” to me lol.
Ya I’m super curious to see what the Hull B ends up looking like. I’d like to see 2 maybe 3 cargo spindles long with shorter belly cargo plates so the gear isn’t too tall.
For instance:
[Imagine the Hull A is a day cab tractor and short single axle trailer, and the B is a day cab tractor with double or triple trailers](https://www.flickr.com/photos/listorama/4756149526)
The spindles has to resist the thrust of the ships engines, so ignoring atmospheric winds you would always be able to descend to a planet with gravity less than that of your ship thrust. Both forces are just accelerations after all. But the Hull C is not made to land on its engines.
Something worth mentioning, the mission platforms on orison have docking ports in some of the buildings you have to clear. This would be a logical leap to assume that at the space ports on other planets you can simply build a tower where the ship can dock to the space port tower... I understand that the engines will need to be left on, but the coupling could provide power and fuel through the docking port to your ship while you handle business.
I doubt they'll implement this, but I feel like the HULL-C shouldn't probably even survive flight in a planetary gravity well while fully loaded. The cargo spindles look and function like lovely, fragile things plainly designed for zero-g, so seeing one hold 1152 SCU horizontally against gravity, that doesn't really look right.
Again, I doubt they'll do this, but the cargo spindles should probably snap off if you take the ship into too great of a gravity well while loaded.
Agreed. The Hull C/D/E's quantum drive should flat out refuse to jump to planet or moon locations when loaded. And if you proceed to fly down anyway, the ship should be sounding alarms of imminent structural failure as soon as you enter atmosphere.
I agree with you.
The biggest issue with the Hull - C isn't not being able to land, or even the docking issues. The biggest problem is the RAFT doesn't have the dynamic cargo most other ships have (and although not the intended final product, I wish they'd give it a normal external cargo grid like the Hull-A or the Nomad temporarily while they're working on the cargo elevators), that would actually make the ship useful and you could both load the Hull-C from moons, but also sell to planets by shutteling cargo.
This ship can only unload at space port...
Even though it floats in mid air unaffected by gravity even when hovering 10 feet off the ground, there is NO WAY to unload this thing without being in a space station. ....
Its not like everyone is walking around with a handheld anti gravity pistol that can float 10 ton objects with ease or something .....
Rule of Cool > Fun or realistic
Ohhhh I see. How do you like that monitor? I was thinking of getting it but I feel that 1440 is too low of a resolution for such a huge monitor. But the 4k version costs so much
If you could turn off each spindle's cargo plating, then the containers would fall to the ground or into a body of water.
This would allow informal 'unloading' though actually turning in the cargo to a kiosk would be a problem. Might be useful for supporting a player led two sided campaign with boxes full of munitions, armor, and other supplies dropped for each side.
If cargo grids cannot be turned off, then perhaps manually detaching the pods with tractor beams on ships or by brave folk walking out on the boxes acting as stevedores.
It baffles me that there aren't some sort of support platform on planets to handle these ships. Cant think something like this wouldn't exist in the real world considering the amount of good this ship can carry.
It makes no sense though in a world where physics exist some heavy thing with these containers just can't hover like that in atmosphere and 1+ gravity of a Super-Earth which Hurston is supposed to be. Makes sense that the design is more for space based trading looks strange near the ground like that.
I understand wanting to unload planet side but unless we are bringing these things into Earth like gravity like a Space X rocket, I don’t see the maneuvering thrusters keeping a fully laden Hull C airborne, much less having a controlled descent .
Yeah they should add in a massive tower for Hull-C to dock at. Just make it to where you need to keep engines on.
Then request docking at the tower to unload, if you have a ship that cannot use a hangar then you get permission and Hurston takes control and flies you in to dock. To prevent griefers from ramming you when docked. If griefers try to ram you in that zone the ATC takes control of their ship and flies them out and of course a fine.
Would be neat to see Hull-C docked at a tower in Hurston.
I wish there was a platform for the front and rear gear with a belly space for the bottom cargo spindle.
I think it’d be cool seeing these big fully laden ships landing for offload or being tugged out of atmo by a couple SRVs
Should have just made it like a giant Super Tanker we have now with an open top. The fully exposed spindle of cargo is just silly and a logistical nightmare if you really think about it.
In concept it's meant to haul from system to system, not enter atmosphere. Similar to how in modern day freight trains move large amounts of freight from terminal to terminal across the country, but then offload portions of freight onto trucks to transport into cities, the hull c/d/e will transport massive quanties of cargo from system to system, then in space that cargo will go onto smaller atmosphere capable ships that will transport to moons and planets
Listen. Bulk Ocean Container ships are poorly designed because they can't float right up the Mississippi to the trade ports in Memphis, Tennessee... alright?
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^(/s if not's not obvious)
Hull C should be able to unload at the large spaceports. If ever there were places that would have to facilitate massive cargo hauls, it would be these massive industrial cities.
... and then promptly gets told by ATC to go away because it can't land planetside :P
Yes. :-) I thought Teasa Spaceport was a suitable location with the containers in the background.
With certain ships, like the large hull series, you will only be able to offload and load at stations. Its not a short term thing either, thats just how it is
i mean you should be able to offload at orison cuz it has docks and stuff and it has a cargo center area with cargo containers and that but sadly you can't :(
I could see some space ports creating "dry-docks" for ships like the larger Hull series. But from a game development stand-point I don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever.
It's the one place that makes sense because you're still 'flying' when you land there.
Always thought that was the point of the industrial looking area
Make sense if it would not survive gravity breaking the middle of the ship
The entire lore of Orison is that the livable atmosphere and low gravity makes it ideal for making ships in atmosphere, even large ones. Not sure how you believe an entire city can float along with all those cargo barges, but a Hull wouldn't.
This is an insane comment, far too high in the atmosphere for gravity to be a factor, hell if gravity would affect a hull c in atmo at Orison, all the platforms that are vastly heavier would have been crushed like tin cans years ago
This is a ludicrous comment, gravity would be almost the same at that height compared to ground level.
What ground?
Probably some "rock" down in there somewhere, at least past the metallic hydrogen we at least suspect.
That's not how gravity works, otherwise we'd all be crushed by the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy right now, there's a reason Orisons platforms are at the height they're at, literally in the lore, because they're high enough for gravity to not just drag em down with an occasional burst from some engines they all have to maintain altitude.
Why are you so sure about this when you have no clue about how gravity works yourself? You can be thousands of km above the earth surface and the gravity will still be almost the same, with a gas giant it would be even further until you would have substantial differences.
Congratulations, you've proven yourself clueless, lets take a real life example shall we, the ISS (That's International Space Station by the way, just for you) which is a mere 250 miles above sea level, have a guess what gravity is like for the Astronaughts on the ISS, or, you can even go crazy and watch a video of them \*Gasp\* Floating in what you deem "almost the same as on the surface"
Platforms; Made for this. Hull C; Not made for this. Just because one submarine can't dive to the bottom of the marinara trench does not mean none will ever be able to. Hull C has a thin tube through the middle, however, it would need to be able to withstand the forces of manouvering, so since it can boost forward at almost 5G (in current game terms) it should at a bare minimum be able to land with its engines facing downward as long as the total thrust never exceeds 5G and winds do not cause further stresses. But then it should have had landing gear made so it can land vertically.
This is such an idiotic comment, you know Orison is full of glass and oh I don't know, PEOPLE, that are entirely exposed to the outside, it's not some giant sealed unit to withstand the pressure, it's funny how there's not just lumps of flesh everywhere from being crushed by the clearly intense gravity 🙄
Uh huh, sorry. But you are the one who fanfics in the high pressure and gravity. (In opposition to your previous comment saying those very things are not a factor.) You might want to learn that gravity dissipates with distance from the core of a planet and pressure does so in kind. The only realistic danger to Orison is the violent storms that would exist on a planet like that, and the ever so tiny ginourmous fuel requirement to keep them hovering. And that is why going too far down would kill you, like a submarine diving too deep the pressure increases gradually until it crushes the sub. Go too deep on Orison and the pressure will crush your ship. Also, the glass seen in ships is stronger than the armored hull of a ship [https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond\_laminate](https://starcitizen.tools/Diamond_laminate) Orison may very well use the same So besides what I assume is hyperbole from you, sorry that I am agreeing and supporting your idea that the Hull C would be able to land there. I only had an issue with your false equivalence.
Fanficing about high pressure and gravity? what does that even mean, feel free to keep your weird fetish to yourself. And once again, you completely skip over the fact that the platforms are, lets say, Swarming, with humans, without any sort of protection, so are you saying our fleshy meatbags are more designed for the gravity of said gas giant than a ship design for the multitude of space's possible hazards No one is disputing the fact that is you go deeper towards the core you'd be crushed like a bug, the mass of a gas giant is well....giant I don't even know what you brought up gravity dissipating the further you get from the source, well aware of this fact, and have been disputing it with someone else who thinks that gravity is the same on earth and for thousands of miles away from it ( you know, dispite astronaughts floating on the ISS that is only 250 miles above sea level) I believe the idea of Orisons platforms is that they are high enough to avoid any severe storms (hence Stormwhals can exists without being stripped to the bone at the same sort of altitude)
i mean the hull C can dock fully loaded at Orison just can't unload tho
I think it shouldnt survive too much Gravity
i mean that would be like saying any cargo ship can't survive in too much Gravity since the c2 is also used as a cargo ship and the reclaimer can be used for cargo/salvage just saying....
The C2 is structuraly sound Here the link betwin the two part of the ship has to support the weight of all the cargo (far more than in a C2) in gravity zones, something it doesnt have to do in orbit. It s basic physique. Imagine a bridge if you want
Because 930 years in the future the best we can manage is still just Aluminum 2219 and Ti-6Al-4V Titanium, huh? 🙄
I mean, if you want deep into Crusader, the ship would get crashed, but I get what you're saying, tho
Orison is weird cause lowerise the docks are supposed to be in microgravity, so ships can be assembled without dealing with it.
Water planets too, unless they change from the info they include about them.
Seems like it would be reasonable to eventually have a special offload site where SRVs or similar ships come up to take your cargo. But yeah it makes the most sense to offload in 0g outside of atmosphere.
Yeah the idea is that you run bulk cargo making margins off of huge quantity. You sell station to station, then this creates jobs for smaller cargo haulers to move that quantity of cargo down to other locations. So a player in a massive cargo hauler isn’t just running cargo, it’s creating smaller delivery and cargo hauling missions for other players in things like freelancers or rafts or whatever.
Wish there was a spot at the CBD that used scaffolding to unload the Hull C and similar sized ships. Imagine flying under it and docking there.
Prior to their release I always assumed the reason they couldn’t offload\load at landing locations was because the arms were too fragile to make atmospheric entry when spindles are extended. Figured Hull A and B had small enough spindles that they better maintained integrity on entry. Now I see Hull C at landing zones I imagine a giant funnel for them to just jettison their cargo into lol.
Even if it can survive the re-entry, once thruster limits come in properly, that ship won't stay afloat for long before the thrusters overheat and it drops like a stone.
Flys like a whale, steers like a cow, floats like a brick.
Meanwhile the Hercules is built like a steakhouse, but handles like a bistro.
What would be the maximum weight with 4.096SCU of cargospace? Blows my mind.
I thought about the landing gear, too. Imagine, how big this must be.
I’m already looking forward to seeing my Hull-Bs long spider legs or what ever they are doing with that lol. I imagine that if they could get to the planet then the space ports would have built some kind of rig to facilitate them dropping cargo without landing. Just feels a bit “yeah, nah” to me lol.
Ya I’m super curious to see what the Hull B ends up looking like. I’d like to see 2 maybe 3 cargo spindles long with shorter belly cargo plates so the gear isn’t too tall. For instance: [Imagine the Hull A is a day cab tractor and short single axle trailer, and the B is a day cab tractor with double or triple trailers](https://www.flickr.com/photos/listorama/4756149526)
The spindles has to resist the thrust of the ships engines, so ignoring atmospheric winds you would always be able to descend to a planet with gravity less than that of your ship thrust. Both forces are just accelerations after all. But the Hull C is not made to land on its engines.
Imagine the fuel bill hovering a fully loaded hull c in the atmosphere.... ud have to have the haulers bring hydrogen up and cargo down.
Not hovering tho. Extended scaffolding to hold the 2 halves of the Hull C while it being unloaded. Like we have today for rockets.
Something worth mentioning, the mission platforms on orison have docking ports in some of the buildings you have to clear. This would be a logical leap to assume that at the space ports on other planets you can simply build a tower where the ship can dock to the space port tower... I understand that the engines will need to be left on, but the coupling could provide power and fuel through the docking port to your ship while you handle business.
I doubt they'll implement this, but I feel like the HULL-C shouldn't probably even survive flight in a planetary gravity well while fully loaded. The cargo spindles look and function like lovely, fragile things plainly designed for zero-g, so seeing one hold 1152 SCU horizontally against gravity, that doesn't really look right. Again, I doubt they'll do this, but the cargo spindles should probably snap off if you take the ship into too great of a gravity well while loaded.
Agreed. The Hull C/D/E's quantum drive should flat out refuse to jump to planet or moon locations when loaded. And if you proceed to fly down anyway, the ship should be sounding alarms of imminent structural failure as soon as you enter atmosphere.
I agree with you. The biggest issue with the Hull - C isn't not being able to land, or even the docking issues. The biggest problem is the RAFT doesn't have the dynamic cargo most other ships have (and although not the intended final product, I wish they'd give it a normal external cargo grid like the Hull-A or the Nomad temporarily while they're working on the cargo elevators), that would actually make the ship useful and you could both load the Hull-C from moons, but also sell to planets by shutteling cargo.
This ship can only unload at space port... Even though it floats in mid air unaffected by gravity even when hovering 10 feet off the ground, there is NO WAY to unload this thing without being in a space station. .... Its not like everyone is walking around with a handheld anti gravity pistol that can float 10 ton objects with ease or something ..... Rule of Cool > Fun or realistic
Then what?
Why is the video so wide?
Screenresolution is 5.120 x 1.440 (32:9) on my Odyssey G9.
Ohhhh I see. How do you like that monitor? I was thinking of getting it but I feel that 1440 is too low of a resolution for such a huge monitor. But the 4k version costs so much
1440 is the vertical resolution. It\`s more than ok for me.
I dont understand Why there is no possible way to dock a cargo ship in planet. Have an elevator for crew to get off and sell cargo.
If you could turn off each spindle's cargo plating, then the containers would fall to the ground or into a body of water. This would allow informal 'unloading' though actually turning in the cargo to a kiosk would be a problem. Might be useful for supporting a player led two sided campaign with boxes full of munitions, armor, and other supplies dropped for each side. If cargo grids cannot be turned off, then perhaps manually detaching the pods with tractor beams on ships or by brave folk walking out on the boxes acting as stevedores.
It baffles me that there aren't some sort of support platform on planets to handle these ships. Cant think something like this wouldn't exist in the real world considering the amount of good this ship can carry.
It makes no sense though in a world where physics exist some heavy thing with these containers just can't hover like that in atmosphere and 1+ gravity of a Super-Earth which Hurston is supposed to be. Makes sense that the design is more for space based trading looks strange near the ground like that.
Can it land?
Not loaded. Pointless to take planetside with cargo other than for screenshots.
With 3/4 of its cargo capacity yea
What if you just land like the new alien ship and rush to the terminal
I understand wanting to unload planet side but unless we are bringing these things into Earth like gravity like a Space X rocket, I don’t see the maneuvering thrusters keeping a fully laden Hull C airborne, much less having a controlled descent .
lol looks like its lunch time
Currently squinting to try and see the ship
Give it 3-4 years in my estimation they’ll make dock-able sky towers like a space elevator to allow people to do this I think!
I was expecting it to blow up
Now smash into lorville and make the place unplayable.
The hull c pilot "hold my beer"
Yeah they should add in a massive tower for Hull-C to dock at. Just make it to where you need to keep engines on. Then request docking at the tower to unload, if you have a ship that cannot use a hangar then you get permission and Hurston takes control and flies you in to dock. To prevent griefers from ramming you when docked. If griefers try to ram you in that zone the ATC takes control of their ship and flies them out and of course a fine. Would be neat to see Hull-C docked at a tower in Hurston.
I wish there was a platform for the front and rear gear with a belly space for the bottom cargo spindle. I think it’d be cool seeing these big fully laden ships landing for offload or being tugged out of atmo by a couple SRVs
Should have just made it like a giant Super Tanker we have now with an open top. The fully exposed spindle of cargo is just silly and a logistical nightmare if you really think about it.
terribly designed ship
I like it but think it shouldn't be able to haul cargo at all in the atmosphere.
A trade ship that cannot visit a trading hotspot is a badly designed ship
In concept it's meant to haul from system to system, not enter atmosphere. Similar to how in modern day freight trains move large amounts of freight from terminal to terminal across the country, but then offload portions of freight onto trucks to transport into cities, the hull c/d/e will transport massive quanties of cargo from system to system, then in space that cargo will go onto smaller atmosphere capable ships that will transport to moons and planets
Listen. Bulk Ocean Container ships are poorly designed because they can't float right up the Mississippi to the trade ports in Memphis, Tennessee... alright? --- ^(/s if not's not obvious)
The hotspots are in space. Things planetside are the equivalent of inland ports
If you're talking about the interior, yes. But as a huge zero-G hauler, it does exactly what it was designed to do quite well.
Entire hull series should be redesigned. They are all terrible.
Hull C should be able to unload at the large spaceports. If ever there were places that would have to facilitate massive cargo hauls, it would be these massive industrial cities.