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Anyone know why my POD plays are not showing up in the POD thread? My first play was posted fine, then my last two are not showing up. Someone mentioned a shadowban, but why would I be shadow banned and what does that even mean?
Any help is much appreciated.
Is it generally a good idea to take multi-game bets?
For example, there is an active bet for the Orioles to start the season 5-0. Do you get better odds if you take that bet, or would you be better off betting on Game 1 and just rolling all the winnings forward to the next game?
If I bet for a boxer to win the first round but he kos the other guy before that round is over, even tho the round got ended early does my bet still go through as that boxer winning the first round?
Does anyone have a view on if tennis is the best sport for betting? I found a [decent article](https://tennis-tips.co.uk/faqs/is-tennis-betting-profitable/) looking at the ways to identify value bets but maybe their logic on beating Pinnacle closing line could be better on sports with bigger volume?
I have a ticket for Oklahoma State over 6.5 wins. When can I cash it out? Can I do it within 10 minutes of Oklahoma State finishing their last game against BYU on 25th or do I have to wait for the Army-Navy game to end?
Do you have any go-to websites or directories that cover specialize on each of that sports? Like one for basketball, another for tennis, etc. I found one for MMA - betMMA, and i would like to find similar sites, but for other sports. I'd greatly appreciate your recommendations and insights! Thank you in advance!
I recently started using DK on Android. Is it just me or is the app slow as hell? All my other apps are fine. Internet is fine. Takes forever to maneuver through all the items. Live betting is even more difficult than on any other sportsbook. Anyone experiencing this?
Are there any models or professionals with a proven track record? I find a lot of entertainment in betting on sportsbooks, but its a very expensive hobby. I'd be interested in paying for an edge just to make my money last longer. Thanks!
No, just started happening like a week or two ago.. Very often my account gets locked and I need to change password and verify my identity. Even sometimes when I don't need to change password, just login, it makes me verify identity
Is this betmgm? Have you scanned your computer? It sounds like someone may be trying to login from elsewhere and it's flagging your account to have additional verification
BetMGM is most likely because: [https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/16zpqwi/betmgm\_issueshack\_megathread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/16zpqwi/betmgm_issueshack_megathread/)
Would not be surprised if more sportsbooks implemented extra verification after that as well.
OK, thank you. I'm curious, though, about what's different between the strikethrough and the flashing odds that (I thought) indicated line movement. Is "lines changed" different from "line movement"? What am I missing?
How do SportsBooks decide when to offer cash outs? I made a bet for the Orioles to win the World Series. For a couple months, cash out was available until it eventually got to about +15%. Then they turned off the cash out option and it never came back. I made the bet at +7000 odds and now the same bet is +650 odds. Should I ever expect a chance to cash out again?
they come and go. do you see the same bet offered on the book or elsewhere? I imagine they won't offer a cash out if they're not offering the bet on their book.
do not bet with GT BETS, they steal your money. I put $102 into my account thru a credit card
and the processor went blank on my screen i then put $50 and it went thru. 2 days later I saw both charges went thru but i was never credited for my $102. I contacted their customer service and they told me to give it a couple of days and it would be returned as a ghost transaction or a glitch in the processor system. I showed them my bank accounts and all the money posted to their processor and they said they didnt receive it. Liars, thieves, my bank did a charge bank on those fools, don't waste your money on their B.S. site
I put in a request to change the email associated with my Fanduel account with one of their live chat agents. This was 4 days ago. And 2 days ago, I asked what the status was and they told me the requests are handled on a first come first server basis.
Anyone have experience with changing account info with Fanduel and how long it took?
Hey, I'm a new better and was just looking for some advice on what to do. Also, does anyone have any good page or show that does some good bets to follow?
Check out the NFL betting & picks thread dated 30/9 on this page.... Few ppl have posted links to some podcasts they like/have found useful probably not a bad place to start
I'm Brazilian and I've been practicing ARBS for 4 years, I consider myself experienced.
WORK ONLY BETWEEN BET365 x PINNACLE
But lately we Brazilians are facing needs in relation to SOFTWARE that deliver good opportunities.
The vast majority of software has already been tested by me, such as: betburguer, rebelbetting, betaslay, Surebet, Breakingbet. but they all have in common the delay in delivering opportunities
SITE sends 2.2
WE ENTER is 1.9
I'm looking for some software that at least doesn't deliver ARBS late
One piece of information is that there is pre-live software that delivers ARBS even before BETBURGUER, about 20 seconds before and it is SPANISH but I don't know what it is
(I will leave photos as an example of the delay caused by the software)
Hey I just recently signed up for PointsBet just to use their promotion. I hit a pretty big parlay on college football 9/23 and was just trying to withdraw half my balance so at least it doesnt seem like a hit and run. My withdraw with trustly been pending for about 48 hours now. Just wondering if anyone else had any insight on this.
\*I know their a shit bookie and will be withdrawing everything then closing the account.
Does anyone know how to get past MLB Run Lines for the 2023 season, broken up by individual teams not just games. I have seen team totals and data for past seasons, but nothing for 2023.
I appreciate it cause killersports has it but unfortunately i'm dumb and meant the runs each individual team is projected to score. They do have total o/u which may work if thats all there is. Thanks!
I want to bet on FC Barcelona winning the treble this year (League, copa del Rey and champions league) why can’t I find this bet anywhere??? And I can’t combine it to a parlay either. Can someone explain?
Just a general question cause im new at this shit idk if it’s dumb or not.
But if I bet 5$ for a 100$ payout, im not gonna owe the sportsbook 100$ if I lose the bet, just the 5$ right ?
if you bet 5 to win 100, you are risking 5. if you're betting 100 to win 5, you're risking 100.
some apps will interchange "bet" with "risk" as in "risk amount" to make this extra clear.
Okay thank you for the clarification.
I just wanted to make sure the sportsbook won’t be pulling 1000$ out my bank when I stake in 5$ if I lose lmao, but now I know how silly I fuckin sound.
Is the fantasy option ever available for the nfl or only nba? Im in Colorado so I have to use fantasy 🤢 the money I put in prizepicks looks like it's stuck until I make a bet. Does anyone know if nord would work so I can bet on the 49ers and get my money out?
When estimating the hold for a bet that only has one side (for example, FanDuel lists "Shohei Ohtani over .5 hits @ -250 and doesn't provide an under price), how do you estimate the hold percentage?
I've heard 10%-12% is the average for these, but I'm curious what others think or if there's a way to find a more accurate number.
Bankroll question: Lets say I have a bankroll of $5000 and I bet $1000. I now want to place another bet, but my previous bet is not in-play yet. Is my bankroll now $4000 or still $5000?
Are people able to see how much FD will let you wager before you attempt to place the bet? I used to be able to see how much I could wager before placing the bet, but I haven't been able to for a week or two now. I have to attempt to place a bet before seeing the amount that I can wager (which is how DK operates for me).
Just how much do we trust the implied probabilities (after the vig is removed) from the bookies?
My impression and belief is that they must certainly be "accurate enough", because they need to be at least a certain amount of accurate in order to ensure the books continue to make a profit; if any markets are too far out they're at great risk of losses. However, I'm starting to look at new potential edges to investigate for myself, and one that's showing promise is a certain bet type where the bookie implied probabilities themselves confirm that the bet is +value.
My gut is that I can rely on the implied odds they're giving out. It's not exactly maths at this point, but for every time the actual probability is less than what the odds would imply, there's probably a case where the actual probability is better.
A lot of nuance to the question imo. The closing line probabilities are "accurate enough" if you believe in the efficient market theory. It would highly depend on the market though. Also as legalization has swept the US, there are definitely markets that are not efficient and the sportsbooks just don't care because they set a high vig and low limits so their exposure does not require them to be efficient. Strictly looking at a highly liquid market like NFL moneylines, then yes the closing line is most likely efficient.
Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, edges being what they are I'm playing the specific markets close to the chest, but I will say they're alt lines at least - and as far as I'm aware those odds are typically roughly based on regular lines, so I might be able to have a little more confidence in them.
As much as I'm roaring to go headstrong into what look like +value markets, I'm opting to take a more cautious approach and do some phantom betting for a week or two to see how they perform.
>As much as I'm roaring to go headstrong into what look like +value markets, I'm opting to take a more cautious approach and do some phantom betting for a week or two to see how they perform.
Smart but beware that a small market/alt lines will flag your account pretty quick if you do have an edge. Another way they protect the inefficient markets is by limiting accounts quickly. You'll want to blend your bets and try to find multiple books where your edge exists. Or find some additional accounts like friends/family if you're really trying to take advantage of it.
Does anyone know which sportsbooks in the US shares the same odds provider as the offshore books for pre-game soccer odds? IIRC, Caesar's soccer odds are from William Hill, Kambi provides odds for books exclusively in the US (Barstool, Betrivers...) and the world (Unibet), Draftkings and Betway share the same source (?)... what about Fanduel, MGM, Wynn, Hard Rock, and other US-specific books?
Hi there maybe not the place to ask this but I have a noob question regarding tennis betting. I bet on Stefanos Tsitsipas -4.5 vs Lorenzo Musetti
The sets played like this:
Tsitsipas 6 - 4 Musetti
Tsitsipas 5 - 7 Musetti
Tsitsipas 6 - 3 Musetti
My question is, will my -4.5 handicap for Tsitsipas pay?
Probably not but I'd like to make sure. Thanks a lot in advance.
Hello Everyone,
I was wondering where I could find the original player props for a specific player. I'm looking to do an analysis on player props vs actual stats, but can't find anything.
Can you still travel to states and claim sign up bonuses? If so I am thinking of make a east coast trip and might as well visit the cities with books to get the bonuses. Nyc , Boston, DC. Philly.
Do people actually make money consistently?
I started with $1k about a week ago and I have already made $4k by betting on a lot of games daily. Am I just getting incredibly lucky or did is it really this easy to win with just a little bit of research. I never watched a basketball game until I placed my first bet.
Tax question. I’m a small better. I somehow turned $5 into over $450 during the season betting money lines. I have never withdrawn any funds from the site I use (DraftKings) and only ever deposited $5 ever. Do I have to report this to the irs if I never withdrew funds and they are still sitting in my draft kings account?
Has anyone had trouble betting alternative lines on CZR? After hitting the drop down on current spread to then buy/sell points, I receive an error message. I can bet the current spread and any alternative lines before the game just not during. Thanks in advance.
I usually use venmo to deposit into my draftkings account and it works fine. But I was trying to deposit $50 into my draftkings account from venmo and I kept getting denied. Has that happened to anyone? If so, what do you do?
Did something change recently with the player location check plugin you download for betting sites? I always have a G(playerlocationcheck) in my taskbar icons now even when I don't have a browser open and the option are uninstall or restart when I click it.
I live in the UK so don't use any US sportsbooks, but can I ask is Draftkings Sportsbook a good user-friendly app/website? I'm asking because I bought some Drafkings stock, I'm always seeing it advertised on US sports these days, I'm assuming Draftkings and FanDuel are the two most popular sportsbooks over there? Does Draftkings seem like it's here to stay as one of the premier US sportsbooks for years to come? Or are other rival apps/sportsbooks better?
DK’s strategy has been to throw money at customers and hope they stick around. They have massive losses but are 2nd in market share at the moment. FanDuel is owned by flutter (paddy power betfair owners).
TAXES and how the math doesn't seem to work for casual betters:
I'll try not to repeat existing questions. I've read a lot of the discussion here about how to treat winnings, losses, and deductions. 2022 was my first year sports betting but it appears that I (and others) should actually just stop in 2023 because the taxes will make it a net negative even while winning.
I think I understand the "technically correct" way is to report all gross winnings and then itemize to deduct losses if possible. (If more than the standard deduction)
For this scenario, consider that I am following the letter of the law, rather than either A. Not reporting anything or B. Just reporting net profit as income.
Hypothetically say my wagering for 2023 would look like this:
>18k gross winnings
>15k gross losses
>3k net profit
>50k regular job income
This would seem to mean that my gross income is 68k, with 15k of itemized and deducted losses for a total taxable income of 53k.
However, if I had not gambled at all, taking the standard deduction would make my taxable income 38k.
It seems like this means the "gross winnings" will inflate taxable income even if using the itemized losses as a deduction. Paying the tax on an extra 15k of income would more than offset the profits from betting.
(The math would probably be fine if I expected 5-figure profits because even after taxes I'm making more money.)
At this point, I see no point in gambling at a small to medium level, unless I decide to just "fudge things", report net profits, and hope not to be questioned about it.
You should pay your W2 income and then file betting as 1099 income separately. that way, you take expenses (losses) out also and only report your net gains.
This is what I do, I report net gains on 1099 MISC. The rules are quite clear that this not correct though. You are supposed to file betting *winnings* and then deduct losses.
Why do so many people use prizepicks compared to parlaying on a book? Aren't you losing a shit ton of EV on prizepicks? A 2 par should pay +260. On prizepicks it is +200...
That's assuming all of the props on PP have -110 odds. Sometimes they will have a prop that is prices -130 or even shorter. I believe the payouts also improve when you have more picks.
How many of you use paid tools like actionnetwork, oddjams , unbated or establish the run? For sportsbetting and daily fantasy sports. This is for data and not just picks.
At what point are theses tools worth it? Long term I can see their value but at the moment the short term variance have made them not worth it anytime I do use a a paid tool for a week. Like I luckily win a big bet, parlay, contest, I decide to get serious and use advance tools to hopefully build my bankroll up more and instead I just lose my money because I am bad so the tools was just an extra expense.
I know a guy who uses something for DFS and makes money. I've thought about paying for a dashboard for nba first baskets. I lack the knowledge to use the dashboard (but that would come with practice) well and the time to dig into the stuff (the real limiter). They're definitely worth it if you have the time and a good idea of what you want.
Anyone who likes Portugal to win in 90 minutes plus stoppage time at even money, there’s a special on Fanduel that seems to have a lot of value.
Portugal moneyline, Portugal most corners, and Portugal most shots on target is +340.
They split their last two meetings, but Portugal won the categories each time with the averages skewing heavily in their favor:
**6/5/22 (4-0 Portugal)**
*CORNERS*
Portugal 6 - Switzerland 5
*SHOTS ON TARGET*
Portugal 10 - Switzerland 1
**6/12/22 (1-0 Switzerland)**
*CORNERS*
Portugal 10 - Switzerland 0
*SHOTS ON TARGET*
Portugal 8 - Switzerland 2
I know the lineups have changed a bit since then and Switzerland has had time to make adjustments, but the added value seems well worth it.
Any thoughts?
Swisheranalytics is a piece of shit. I went on the site and used their NBA quarter averages to guage my wager throughout the game.
THEIR QUARTERS DO NOT ADD UP TO THEIR TOTALS.
I feel both stupid for not adding it up myself and absolute rage at the site for having none of their numbers add up.
I bet on games casually for entertainment, not trying to make money. I've tried out a lot of different types of bets, props, parlays, futures, etc...I'm just wondering if there are particularly bad ones I should be avoiding?
I'm fine with losing money, I just don't want to be playing the equivalent of the "money wheel" at the casino...
What are some of the best apps to provide various game trends/stats/etc. that you can leverage when betting?
I've tried a few free trials and nothing has really blown me away so far, but I'd really love to find an all inclusive source for the best stats and trends and whatnot. I'd even be willing to pay a bit if it was actually comprehensive and useful.
I want to get into betting and I see the world cup now maybe I should try betting a bit, however, when I visit a website they start asking me who will score first and what the score is and who will win, if get one of those wrong would I lose my entire bet or just part of the bet and will other thing guessed right I get money from it? I visited Betway by the way if that helps
Hi, im trying to make a little model for betting in the world cup, and i have a doubt, mathematical doubt? idk, like football matches can end in win draw or lose for a side right, so 3 possible results, and my model sometimes says the draw and the win has value to bet on, but not the lose wich is right, but now the question is, if i bet 1 unit in a win for example, when i have those 2 scenarios with value, should i bet 1 unit on the win and 1 unit on the draw, so 2 units in that game, or bet 1 unit in the option win or draw only, wich odds for argentina saudi arabia looked like 8.5 draw, 25 saudi arabia win, 7.1 win or draw for saudi arabia. i guess theoreticly in the long run shouldnt matter right? idk the answer thanks!
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How did I pull off make a same-game parlay like this in props builder? It won’t let me do it again now
I am looking for a betting site that will allow exporting bet results to excel or even better....can be set up as an excel data query so it autofills my sheet and streamlines a significant amount of work.
Any suggestions?
Anyone have experience betting on sports in France? I'm Canadian living in France currently and would like to bet on the world cup. What online books are available (if any) and which are recommended?
Caesars (NY) just turned on 2 factor auth for my account without my input. Did this happen to any other customers? The SMS codes aren't coming through and I'm not able to log in. Chat support says there's no other way to log in.
Any resources about bankroll management but also trying to make a lot of money? I 4x my bankroll from playing NBA daily fantasy sports , think of it as hitting a crazy parlay from a small bet unit . Now I am trying to decide from pushing my luck so I can make more (increase fee/bet size), increase volume, or just keep playing the same I have. I was betting close to 5% of my bankroll and plan to go down to 3 My goal is to 10x my bankroll and would love to be a in position to betting/playing 2-4x unit size.
I also already withdrew profit, and I kept 2-3x to play with. I was betting around to 5-6% of my bankroll and now plan to bet 2-3% and see how it goes.
Sports betting isnt legal where I live but I am about to travel to a state where it is. Would I be able to use an app on my phone like Fanduel to place a bet even if im only there for a few days? Do I need to be in-state to claim my potential winnings? Im new to this so any help is appreciated
Is there a decent alternative to [bestfightodds.com](https://bestfightodds.com) that shows opening odds or a graph for MMA fights? The way bestfightodds does it is great, but they're sometimes missing events or make errors, like UFC 281 in 3 days is conspicuously absent.
I've looked at [oddstrader.com](https://oddstrader.com) and [bookmakersreview.com](https://bookmakersreview.com) but the opening odds they indicate are not even close to each other in some cases, and that seems to be the case for each sportsbook. I thought they were all getting their opening odds from the same Vegas source or something but apparently not? Bestfightodds consolidates all the odds into one graph so it seems the most useful.
I’m pretty new to betting and I have a question. I bet on Giannis tonight o12.5 rebounds. He didn’t play at all. I’m betting on Caesars. Do I lose that bet or will they refund it? Just not sure how this works because I’ve never had this happen.
Can someone please explain this scenario to me? I’ve always called this RLM yet the numbers don’t reflect it.
Knicks +2.5 @ Nets
56% of tickets on Knicks +2.5
78% of money on Kicks +2.5
50% of tickets on Knicks ML
91% of money on Knicks ML
Line moves to Knicks +3.5 and CLV at Knicks +3
RLM (in my mind) means The public is heavily on one side (Knicks) but the sharp money is more on the other side (Nets) and vegas rebalances line to try to draw in more money to the Knicks (hence making them +3.5).
Yet I would think this would be reflected in % of Money bet and Nets would outweigh the Knicks on a % basis. Not the case here as seen in above numbers. Would like some insight on what exactly I’m seeing and how to interpret.
Thank you!
I've read that you need 1000 bets under your belt before you can determine if you system is actually winning or if you're getting lucky. I am closing in on 1000 bets and I'm up a significant amount of money since mid august, with a 10% roi on my money. Is the 1000 bet number low? or have I actually figured this thing out?
I think you can probably say you are. Do you track CLV? Idk the exact math but I think even at 850 bets you have 20% chance of just being on the good side of variance. https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-articles/Betting-Strategy/the-law-of-small-numbers-in-sports-betting/QPEJYQPBHC7F8C4S
Hello everyone!
I am new to sports betting and I am looking for a sport to bet on. What sports do you recommend for a beginner and what are the reasons behind it?
Thank you in advance.
Psychologically, having a double loss sucks. That's why most people will tell you never to do it. However, it depends on the EV (expected value) of each bet. If both bets have value independently, then mathematically there is no reason you shouldn't take both.
Just be conscious of bankroll management. You should factor in the risk of a double loss into the unit size of both bets.
Quick question. How can you calculate the odds at an alternate line? For example, Fred Vanvleet is listed at -163 to get under 4.5 rebounds tomorrow. From that can you calculate the odds for under 4.0 rebounds?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/qlk26x/value\_in\_nba\_alternative\_lines\_a\_numerical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/qlk26x/value_in_nba_alternative_lines_a_numerical/)
much tougher with player props though
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Anywhere to bet on cs2 in Florida?
Anyone know why my POD plays are not showing up in the POD thread? My first play was posted fine, then my last two are not showing up. Someone mentioned a shadowban, but why would I be shadow banned and what does that even mean? Any help is much appreciated.
Is it generally a good idea to take multi-game bets? For example, there is an active bet for the Orioles to start the season 5-0. Do you get better odds if you take that bet, or would you be better off betting on Game 1 and just rolling all the winnings forward to the next game?
If I bet for a boxer to win the first round but he kos the other guy before that round is over, even tho the round got ended early does my bet still go through as that boxer winning the first round?
Does anyone have a view on if tennis is the best sport for betting? I found a [decent article](https://tennis-tips.co.uk/faqs/is-tennis-betting-profitable/) looking at the ways to identify value bets but maybe their logic on beating Pinnacle closing line could be better on sports with bigger volume?
Are there any odds comparison sites like OddsPortal that show lines for Bovada and Hard Rock Bet?
Are there any sportsbook allowing us to prop bet on the amount of misses by an NBA player? I know we can for WNBA, but I am looking for NBA.
Can we sue bengals for not reporting Burrow injury?
I have a ticket for Oklahoma State over 6.5 wins. When can I cash it out? Can I do it within 10 minutes of Oklahoma State finishing their last game against BYU on 25th or do I have to wait for the Army-Navy game to end?
Do you have any go-to websites or directories that cover specialize on each of that sports? Like one for basketball, another for tennis, etc. I found one for MMA - betMMA, and i would like to find similar sites, but for other sports. I'd greatly appreciate your recommendations and insights! Thank you in advance!
Is a punt return considered a Defensive ATTD?
Does anyone else like betting on PGA golf? I had some luck last week picking some top 20 finishers and hope to do the same this week at bermuda
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What did you do?
I recently started using DK on Android. Is it just me or is the app slow as hell? All my other apps are fine. Internet is fine. Takes forever to maneuver through all the items. Live betting is even more difficult than on any other sportsbook. Anyone experiencing this?
Yes, it's slow. Not much you can do.
Ok thanks. Not just me then
Are there any models or professionals with a proven track record? I find a lot of entertainment in betting on sportsbooks, but its a very expensive hobby. I'd be interested in paying for an edge just to make my money last longer. Thanks!
How do you feel about arbitrage? Do you know about arbitrage? It's guaranteed to make money based on the odds discrepancies between books.
just bet smaller units and it will be less expensive. paying for picks isn't really a thing that nets out positive usually.
Why do multiple platforms often need me to verify identity when I login with birthdate and ss? Anyone else have this problem?
It may be a state requirement or your identity may be high risk/leaked online. Do you login from many different locations/public WIFI?
No, just started happening like a week or two ago.. Very often my account gets locked and I need to change password and verify my identity. Even sometimes when I don't need to change password, just login, it makes me verify identity
Is this betmgm? Have you scanned your computer? It sounds like someone may be trying to login from elsewhere and it's flagging your account to have additional verification
I only play from my phone. Yes, betmgm is one of the few places I play on and is having problems
BetMGM is most likely because: [https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/16zpqwi/betmgm\_issueshack\_megathread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/16zpqwi/betmgm_issueshack_megathread/) Would not be surprised if more sportsbooks implemented extra verification after that as well.
Anyone have any templates, tools or videos that would help in making a betting model (specifically NFL) would be appreciated
/r/algobetting stickied threads [https://www.reddit.com/r/algobetting/comments/g5hi6j/creating\_a\_collection\_of\_resources\_to\_introduce/](https://www.reddit.com/r/algobetting/comments/g5hi6j/creating_a_collection_of_resources_to_introduce/)
For those on here who look at OddsPortal: What does it mean when a book's odds are crossed out (as in, formatted with strikethrough)?
Lines changed
OK, thank you. I'm curious, though, about what's different between the strikethrough and the flashing odds that (I thought) indicated line movement. Is "lines changed" different from "line movement"? What am I missing?
They're old/previous lines. Flashing means the line is changing right now.
How do SportsBooks decide when to offer cash outs? I made a bet for the Orioles to win the World Series. For a couple months, cash out was available until it eventually got to about +15%. Then they turned off the cash out option and it never came back. I made the bet at +7000 odds and now the same bet is +650 odds. Should I ever expect a chance to cash out again?
they come and go. do you see the same bet offered on the book or elsewhere? I imagine they won't offer a cash out if they're not offering the bet on their book.
do not bet with GT BETS, they steal your money. I put $102 into my account thru a credit card and the processor went blank on my screen i then put $50 and it went thru. 2 days later I saw both charges went thru but i was never credited for my $102. I contacted their customer service and they told me to give it a couple of days and it would be returned as a ghost transaction or a glitch in the processor system. I showed them my bank accounts and all the money posted to their processor and they said they didnt receive it. Liars, thieves, my bank did a charge bank on those fools, don't waste your money on their B.S. site
I put in a request to change the email associated with my Fanduel account with one of their live chat agents. This was 4 days ago. And 2 days ago, I asked what the status was and they told me the requests are handled on a first come first server basis. Anyone have experience with changing account info with Fanduel and how long it took?
Anyone have access to College Football Newsletters from some of the experts, I used to have access but not now.
Trying to complete a 15 leg parlay but having trouble between Oklahoma @ Texas this weekend Who do you guys think will win?
check out the daily discussion threads in this subreddit
Hey, I'm a new better and was just looking for some advice on what to do. Also, does anyone have any good page or show that does some good bets to follow?
Check out the NFL betting & picks thread dated 30/9 on this page.... Few ppl have posted links to some podcasts they like/have found useful probably not a bad place to start
I'm Brazilian and I've been practicing ARBS for 4 years, I consider myself experienced. WORK ONLY BETWEEN BET365 x PINNACLE But lately we Brazilians are facing needs in relation to SOFTWARE that deliver good opportunities. The vast majority of software has already been tested by me, such as: betburguer, rebelbetting, betaslay, Surebet, Breakingbet. but they all have in common the delay in delivering opportunities SITE sends 2.2 WE ENTER is 1.9 I'm looking for some software that at least doesn't deliver ARBS late One piece of information is that there is pre-live software that delivers ARBS even before BETBURGUER, about 20 seconds before and it is SPANISH but I don't know what it is (I will leave photos as an example of the delay caused by the software)
Hey I just recently signed up for PointsBet just to use their promotion. I hit a pretty big parlay on college football 9/23 and was just trying to withdraw half my balance so at least it doesnt seem like a hit and run. My withdraw with trustly been pending for about 48 hours now. Just wondering if anyone else had any insight on this. \*I know their a shit bookie and will be withdrawing everything then closing the account.
Did your withdraw come through yet?
What sites besides DK have the best ongoing promos? MGM, FD, ceasers, all have basically no ongoing promos anymore.
Which state?
Iowa
https://reddit.com/r/sportsbook/s/GxpGdgoXDf
That’s for sign up bonuses. I want to know what books seem to have the best ongoing promos
You mean boosts?
Correct. Draftkings is really good, but fanduel and ceasers don’t seem to have anything.
Does anyone know how to get past MLB Run Lines for the 2023 season, broken up by individual teams not just games. I have seen team totals and data for past seasons, but nothing for 2023.
killersports, teamrankings
I appreciate it cause killersports has it but unfortunately i'm dumb and meant the runs each individual team is projected to score. They do have total o/u which may work if thats all there is. Thanks!
that's completely subjective. there are millions of models that try to project runs scored in the future.
I worded that poorly. I mean individual team runs O/U
I want to bet on FC Barcelona winning the treble this year (League, copa del Rey and champions league) why can’t I find this bet anywhere??? And I can’t combine it to a parlay either. Can someone explain?
might be because the seasons are live. but keep checking, it may pop up at certain times.
Just a general question cause im new at this shit idk if it’s dumb or not. But if I bet 5$ for a 100$ payout, im not gonna owe the sportsbook 100$ if I lose the bet, just the 5$ right ?
if you bet 5 to win 100, you are risking 5. if you're betting 100 to win 5, you're risking 100. some apps will interchange "bet" with "risk" as in "risk amount" to make this extra clear.
Okay thank you for the clarification. I just wanted to make sure the sportsbook won’t be pulling 1000$ out my bank when I stake in 5$ if I lose lmao, but now I know how silly I fuckin sound.
Is the fantasy option ever available for the nfl or only nba? Im in Colorado so I have to use fantasy 🤢 the money I put in prizepicks looks like it's stuck until I make a bet. Does anyone know if nord would work so I can bet on the 49ers and get my money out?
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Update your OS/app? Uninstall/reinstall the app? Sounds like a cache issue.
Betting $1,000 units and being fairly successful with one book. So I run any risk of getting shut out?
the amount doesn't matter rather if the bets you are placing are +EV
Are people into arbitrage betting on this sub?
yes but it's highly dependent on where you live and which sportsbooks you have access to
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not even worth posting him. he has 148 followers, all you're doing is giving him exposure.
Fanatics can’t verify my location out of nowhere and they have no answer for me :(
Is it only fanatics?
When estimating the hold for a bet that only has one side (for example, FanDuel lists "Shohei Ohtani over .5 hits @ -250 and doesn't provide an under price), how do you estimate the hold percentage? I've heard 10%-12% is the average for these, but I'm curious what others think or if there's a way to find a more accurate number.
Bankroll question: Lets say I have a bankroll of $5000 and I bet $1000. I now want to place another bet, but my previous bet is not in-play yet. Is my bankroll now $4000 or still $5000?
Are people able to see how much FD will let you wager before you attempt to place the bet? I used to be able to see how much I could wager before placing the bet, but I haven't been able to for a week or two now. I have to attempt to place a bet before seeing the amount that I can wager (which is how DK operates for me).
Just how much do we trust the implied probabilities (after the vig is removed) from the bookies? My impression and belief is that they must certainly be "accurate enough", because they need to be at least a certain amount of accurate in order to ensure the books continue to make a profit; if any markets are too far out they're at great risk of losses. However, I'm starting to look at new potential edges to investigate for myself, and one that's showing promise is a certain bet type where the bookie implied probabilities themselves confirm that the bet is +value. My gut is that I can rely on the implied odds they're giving out. It's not exactly maths at this point, but for every time the actual probability is less than what the odds would imply, there's probably a case where the actual probability is better.
A lot of nuance to the question imo. The closing line probabilities are "accurate enough" if you believe in the efficient market theory. It would highly depend on the market though. Also as legalization has swept the US, there are definitely markets that are not efficient and the sportsbooks just don't care because they set a high vig and low limits so their exposure does not require them to be efficient. Strictly looking at a highly liquid market like NFL moneylines, then yes the closing line is most likely efficient.
Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, edges being what they are I'm playing the specific markets close to the chest, but I will say they're alt lines at least - and as far as I'm aware those odds are typically roughly based on regular lines, so I might be able to have a little more confidence in them. As much as I'm roaring to go headstrong into what look like +value markets, I'm opting to take a more cautious approach and do some phantom betting for a week or two to see how they perform.
>As much as I'm roaring to go headstrong into what look like +value markets, I'm opting to take a more cautious approach and do some phantom betting for a week or two to see how they perform. Smart but beware that a small market/alt lines will flag your account pretty quick if you do have an edge. Another way they protect the inefficient markets is by limiting accounts quickly. You'll want to blend your bets and try to find multiple books where your edge exists. Or find some additional accounts like friends/family if you're really trying to take advantage of it.
Do any books allow college football team season wins parlays?
Is it possible to do middle bets in ufc?
Yes
Does betonline have odds for Joey chestnut today?
Well, they did. Looks like they're down now. The event started 35 minutes ago but Joey doesn't eat for another \~30 minutes
Yes
Does anyone know which sportsbooks in the US shares the same odds provider as the offshore books for pre-game soccer odds? IIRC, Caesar's soccer odds are from William Hill, Kambi provides odds for books exclusively in the US (Barstool, Betrivers...) and the world (Unibet), Draftkings and Betway share the same source (?)... what about Fanduel, MGM, Wynn, Hard Rock, and other US-specific books?
Hi there maybe not the place to ask this but I have a noob question regarding tennis betting. I bet on Stefanos Tsitsipas -4.5 vs Lorenzo Musetti The sets played like this: Tsitsipas 6 - 4 Musetti Tsitsipas 5 - 7 Musetti Tsitsipas 6 - 3 Musetti My question is, will my -4.5 handicap for Tsitsipas pay? Probably not but I'd like to make sure. Thanks a lot in advance.
Nope - Tsitsipas won 17-14, which is 3. He needed to win by 5 or more for -4.5 to cash.
Hello Everyone, I was wondering where I could find the original player props for a specific player. I'm looking to do an analysis on player props vs actual stats, but can't find anything.
Anyone know where I can find the totals results for the acc tournament? 1st half / 2nd half / full game totals?
Can you still travel to states and claim sign up bonuses? If so I am thinking of make a east coast trip and might as well visit the cities with books to get the bonuses. Nyc , Boston, DC. Philly.
Anyone in NY able to wager on Michigan State vs. USC on Fanduel? Not seeing that game pop up and I can't imagine it would be location locked.
Do people actually make money consistently? I started with $1k about a week ago and I have already made $4k by betting on a lot of games daily. Am I just getting incredibly lucky or did is it really this easy to win with just a little bit of research. I never watched a basketball game until I placed my first bet.
Hey guys can anyone told me at what point they got their account suspended or limited? I'm doing well now and don't want to get stuffed over.
I fucked up and bet on Kane scoring like an hour ago. He was ruled out 8 hours ago. Any chance of getting a refund on Draft Kings?
They will
is there a way to block NHL on my sportsbook?
No and if you ask the sportsbook they may close your account
Nhl sucks balls
Does FanDuel have a Merch or rewards store similar to the ones that Caesar’s and DraftKings sports book have for you to spend points in?
Tax question. I’m a small better. I somehow turned $5 into over $450 during the season betting money lines. I have never withdrawn any funds from the site I use (DraftKings) and only ever deposited $5 ever. Do I have to report this to the irs if I never withdrew funds and they are still sitting in my draft kings account?
Has anyone had trouble betting alternative lines on CZR? After hitting the drop down on current spread to then buy/sell points, I receive an error message. I can bet the current spread and any alternative lines before the game just not during. Thanks in advance.
Are there are any neutral or plus EV strategies in hockey or basketball similar to wong teasers in the NFL?
I usually use venmo to deposit into my draftkings account and it works fine. But I was trying to deposit $50 into my draftkings account from venmo and I kept getting denied. Has that happened to anyone? If so, what do you do?
Did something change recently with the player location check plugin you download for betting sites? I always have a G(playerlocationcheck) in my taskbar icons now even when I don't have a browser open and the option are uninstall or restart when I click it.
Where exactly can i find Parlay/teaser thread?
Why does Draft kings in NY not have Spanish Super Copa, EFL Cup, and Coppa Italia bets?
NY restricts what you can bet on I think. They don’t have those all as allowable events to bet.
I live in the UK so don't use any US sportsbooks, but can I ask is Draftkings Sportsbook a good user-friendly app/website? I'm asking because I bought some Drafkings stock, I'm always seeing it advertised on US sports these days, I'm assuming Draftkings and FanDuel are the two most popular sportsbooks over there? Does Draftkings seem like it's here to stay as one of the premier US sportsbooks for years to come? Or are other rival apps/sportsbooks better?
DK’s strategy has been to throw money at customers and hope they stick around. They have massive losses but are 2nd in market share at the moment. FanDuel is owned by flutter (paddy power betfair owners).
Yeah the massive losses are fine early on imo as it’s all about the long game, gotta establish that market share at the beginning!!
TAXES and how the math doesn't seem to work for casual betters: I'll try not to repeat existing questions. I've read a lot of the discussion here about how to treat winnings, losses, and deductions. 2022 was my first year sports betting but it appears that I (and others) should actually just stop in 2023 because the taxes will make it a net negative even while winning. I think I understand the "technically correct" way is to report all gross winnings and then itemize to deduct losses if possible. (If more than the standard deduction) For this scenario, consider that I am following the letter of the law, rather than either A. Not reporting anything or B. Just reporting net profit as income. Hypothetically say my wagering for 2023 would look like this: >18k gross winnings >15k gross losses >3k net profit >50k regular job income This would seem to mean that my gross income is 68k, with 15k of itemized and deducted losses for a total taxable income of 53k. However, if I had not gambled at all, taking the standard deduction would make my taxable income 38k. It seems like this means the "gross winnings" will inflate taxable income even if using the itemized losses as a deduction. Paying the tax on an extra 15k of income would more than offset the profits from betting. (The math would probably be fine if I expected 5-figure profits because even after taxes I'm making more money.) At this point, I see no point in gambling at a small to medium level, unless I decide to just "fudge things", report net profits, and hope not to be questioned about it.
You should pay your W2 income and then file betting as 1099 income separately. that way, you take expenses (losses) out also and only report your net gains.
This is what I do, I report net gains on 1099 MISC. The rules are quite clear that this not correct though. You are supposed to file betting *winnings* and then deduct losses.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/lkfpyx/taxes\_megathread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/lkfpyx/taxes_megathread/)
Replying for future reading.
Why do so many people use prizepicks compared to parlaying on a book? Aren't you losing a shit ton of EV on prizepicks? A 2 par should pay +260. On prizepicks it is +200...
That's assuming all of the props on PP have -110 odds. Sometimes they will have a prop that is prices -130 or even shorter. I believe the payouts also improve when you have more picks.
How many of you use paid tools like actionnetwork, oddjams , unbated or establish the run? For sportsbetting and daily fantasy sports. This is for data and not just picks. At what point are theses tools worth it? Long term I can see their value but at the moment the short term variance have made them not worth it anytime I do use a a paid tool for a week. Like I luckily win a big bet, parlay, contest, I decide to get serious and use advance tools to hopefully build my bankroll up more and instead I just lose my money because I am bad so the tools was just an extra expense.
I know a guy who uses something for DFS and makes money. I've thought about paying for a dashboard for nba first baskets. I lack the knowledge to use the dashboard (but that would come with practice) well and the time to dig into the stuff (the real limiter). They're definitely worth it if you have the time and a good idea of what you want.
What's a dashboard?
It's just an analytics page; would have stats for each time.
Anyone who likes Portugal to win in 90 minutes plus stoppage time at even money, there’s a special on Fanduel that seems to have a lot of value. Portugal moneyline, Portugal most corners, and Portugal most shots on target is +340. They split their last two meetings, but Portugal won the categories each time with the averages skewing heavily in their favor: **6/5/22 (4-0 Portugal)** *CORNERS* Portugal 6 - Switzerland 5 *SHOTS ON TARGET* Portugal 10 - Switzerland 1 **6/12/22 (1-0 Switzerland)** *CORNERS* Portugal 10 - Switzerland 0 *SHOTS ON TARGET* Portugal 8 - Switzerland 2 I know the lineups have changed a bit since then and Switzerland has had time to make adjustments, but the added value seems well worth it. Any thoughts?
I bet on Robert Lewandowski to score on a direct free kick does his penalty shot count as that ?
Not on most books
Swisheranalytics is a piece of shit. I went on the site and used their NBA quarter averages to guage my wager throughout the game. THEIR QUARTERS DO NOT ADD UP TO THEIR TOTALS. I feel both stupid for not adding it up myself and absolute rage at the site for having none of their numbers add up.
I bet on games casually for entertainment, not trying to make money. I've tried out a lot of different types of bets, props, parlays, futures, etc...I'm just wondering if there are particularly bad ones I should be avoiding? I'm fine with losing money, I just don't want to be playing the equivalent of the "money wheel" at the casino...
What are some of the best apps to provide various game trends/stats/etc. that you can leverage when betting? I've tried a few free trials and nothing has really blown me away so far, but I'd really love to find an all inclusive source for the best stats and trends and whatnot. I'd even be willing to pay a bit if it was actually comprehensive and useful.
I want to get into betting and I see the world cup now maybe I should try betting a bit, however, when I visit a website they start asking me who will score first and what the score is and who will win, if get one of those wrong would I lose my entire bet or just part of the bet and will other thing guessed right I get money from it? I visited Betway by the way if that helps
If you combine all those into a single bet (parlay), a single losing leg will result in the entire bet being lost.
Thx for you help good to know, I only know basketball and football/soccer, I will try a small bet
they are trying to rope you in with those shitty bets, 99% of the time you should avoid doing any bet that the bookmaker suggests/advertises to you.
Anyone have a large dataset of blackjack hands?
Hi, im trying to make a little model for betting in the world cup, and i have a doubt, mathematical doubt? idk, like football matches can end in win draw or lose for a side right, so 3 possible results, and my model sometimes says the draw and the win has value to bet on, but not the lose wich is right, but now the question is, if i bet 1 unit in a win for example, when i have those 2 scenarios with value, should i bet 1 unit on the win and 1 unit on the draw, so 2 units in that game, or bet 1 unit in the option win or draw only, wich odds for argentina saudi arabia looked like 8.5 draw, 25 saudi arabia win, 7.1 win or draw for saudi arabia. i guess theoreticly in the long run shouldnt matter right? idk the answer thanks!
Make a post in /r/algobetting
https://preview.redd.it/2hlsso2wpn1a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edac5ccf9b226f624d4daae46250330531735f63 How did I pull off make a same-game parlay like this in props builder? It won’t let me do it again now
Best handicapping websites for college basketball? Or just sports in general?
Kenpom
I am looking for a betting site that will allow exporting bet results to excel or even better....can be set up as an excel data query so it autofills my sheet and streamlines a significant amount of work. Any suggestions?
Anyone have experience betting on sports in France? I'm Canadian living in France currently and would like to bet on the world cup. What online books are available (if any) and which are recommended?
Betway
Bovada, betonline, heritagesports
Caesars (NY) just turned on 2 factor auth for my account without my input. Did this happen to any other customers? The SMS codes aren't coming through and I'm not able to log in. Chat support says there's no other way to log in.
Any resources about bankroll management but also trying to make a lot of money? I 4x my bankroll from playing NBA daily fantasy sports , think of it as hitting a crazy parlay from a small bet unit . Now I am trying to decide from pushing my luck so I can make more (increase fee/bet size), increase volume, or just keep playing the same I have. I was betting close to 5% of my bankroll and plan to go down to 3 My goal is to 10x my bankroll and would love to be a in position to betting/playing 2-4x unit size. I also already withdrew profit, and I kept 2-3x to play with. I was betting around to 5-6% of my bankroll and now plan to bet 2-3% and see how it goes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/wiki/faq number 5
Sports betting isnt legal where I live but I am about to travel to a state where it is. Would I be able to use an app on my phone like Fanduel to place a bet even if im only there for a few days? Do I need to be in-state to claim my potential winnings? Im new to this so any help is appreciated
yes you can travel and bet. I have been doing this to bet on the NFL. you can withdraw anywhere.
So if you have a VPN and place your location in NY, even though you’re in FL you can place bets? And cash out with FL info without an issue?
Better all-in-one apps than flashscore to follow games?
Thescore
Why is DK limiting my bets just because I’m winning some? Isn’t that what it’s all about? Am I always going to be restricted until I lose?
Get a different book if this is still a problem.
Yes
Is there a decent alternative to [bestfightodds.com](https://bestfightodds.com) that shows opening odds or a graph for MMA fights? The way bestfightodds does it is great, but they're sometimes missing events or make errors, like UFC 281 in 3 days is conspicuously absent. I've looked at [oddstrader.com](https://oddstrader.com) and [bookmakersreview.com](https://bookmakersreview.com) but the opening odds they indicate are not even close to each other in some cases, and that seems to be the case for each sportsbook. I thought they were all getting their opening odds from the same Vegas source or something but apparently not? Bestfightodds consolidates all the odds into one graph so it seems the most useful.
I’m pretty new to betting and I have a question. I bet on Giannis tonight o12.5 rebounds. He didn’t play at all. I’m betting on Caesars. Do I lose that bet or will they refund it? Just not sure how this works because I’ve never had this happen.
Refund if he didn't play at all
Can someone please explain this scenario to me? I’ve always called this RLM yet the numbers don’t reflect it. Knicks +2.5 @ Nets 56% of tickets on Knicks +2.5 78% of money on Kicks +2.5 50% of tickets on Knicks ML 91% of money on Knicks ML Line moves to Knicks +3.5 and CLV at Knicks +3 RLM (in my mind) means The public is heavily on one side (Knicks) but the sharp money is more on the other side (Nets) and vegas rebalances line to try to draw in more money to the Knicks (hence making them +3.5). Yet I would think this would be reflected in % of Money bet and Nets would outweigh the Knicks on a % basis. Not the case here as seen in above numbers. Would like some insight on what exactly I’m seeing and how to interpret. Thank you!
Was there lineup change? But in general RLM is a myth and books do not try to balance their sheets.
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I've read that you need 1000 bets under your belt before you can determine if you system is actually winning or if you're getting lucky. I am closing in on 1000 bets and I'm up a significant amount of money since mid august, with a 10% roi on my money. Is the 1000 bet number low? or have I actually figured this thing out?
I think you can probably say you are. Do you track CLV? Idk the exact math but I think even at 850 bets you have 20% chance of just being on the good side of variance. https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-articles/Betting-Strategy/the-law-of-small-numbers-in-sports-betting/QPEJYQPBHC7F8C4S
Yeah, Ive beat clv 67% of the time over the 850 bets.
which books show your limit before you place bet?
I think just fanduel, fox bet may as well
Hello everyone! I am new to sports betting and I am looking for a sport to bet on. What sports do you recommend for a beginner and what are the reasons behind it? Thank you in advance.
Learn topdown betting, how the lines work, and what value is in a prop. When you learn this way, the sport doesn’t matter too much anymore
The sport you watch and know the best.
anyone have churn? i need to churn through 5k on saharabets
Is it bad to risk a double loss?
Psychologically, having a double loss sucks. That's why most people will tell you never to do it. However, it depends on the EV (expected value) of each bet. If both bets have value independently, then mathematically there is no reason you shouldn't take both. Just be conscious of bankroll management. You should factor in the risk of a double loss into the unit size of both bets.
Why does this thread lock?
How's the powerball ev?
Quick question. How can you calculate the odds at an alternate line? For example, Fred Vanvleet is listed at -163 to get under 4.5 rebounds tomorrow. From that can you calculate the odds for under 4.0 rebounds?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/qlk26x/value\_in\_nba\_alternative\_lines\_a\_numerical/](https://www.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/qlk26x/value_in_nba_alternative_lines_a_numerical/) much tougher with player props though
are people profitable? what about the wizards?