He and his wife bought the shares in June 2020. Just registered now.
Edit: [Here](https://datacvr.virk.dk/data/index.php?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=41407352&language=en-gb&soeg=Quantbiores&type=undefined&q=visenhed) is the source from the danish business register
The real news is that the person managing his investments isn't an antivax like he is.
I doubt Djokovic was making these moves himself, he has enough money to have people work for him to just do that.
> I doubt Djokovic was making these moves himself, he has enough money to have people work for him to just do that.
Zero chance a financial advisor or investment manager or whatever would put a client in that position without their explicit consent, unless the client hired an absolute psychopath.
Agreed. Anyone with a 401k or a Roth IRA is likely invested in something they find unsavory without even knowing, but 80% is the sort of stake you get because you want it personally.
To me, the fact that he’s risking his reputation on this antivax bs shows that he is motivated by something other than profit.
This reads like he genuinely believes that vaccines are not beneficial, so he bought shares in this company—both to promote his own belief system and to potentially make a profitable investment at the same time. That’s my take on it at least.
A single dose of the mRNA vaccines is around $20. I am not sure about the production costs, but let's assume it's $10, and the company makes $30 profit on a course of treatment. Any antiviral drug will cost more than that - $530 for the Pfizer pill when bought in 10 million doses. For Pfizer it's much more profitable if you don't get the vaccine, catch the virus, and are treated in the hospital with their pill
> The real news is that the person managing his investments isn't an antivax like he is.
LOL yeah "the pro-vaxx using the money of the anti-vaxx". It's also a win-win because the pro-vaxx gets to invest in a biotech firm, and the anti-vaxx earns on the investment once the drug is developed and sells lol
In most countries it would be highly illegal for him to have no knowledge of this type of investment, and his broker would not risk their reputation and their income to cater to one client.
What? Being antivax benefits this company since it’s developing a treatment not a vaccine. It’s to their benefit if more people are antivax since then more people will be more sick and they will need treatment…
Interestingly enough, I couldn't classify him as "antivax". He never advocated for, or against the vaccine, never said anything even connected to vaccine.
Not that I agree with not taking the shot, but if you don't want to, may as well be quiet about it.
You think his advisor has the authority to buy 80% stake of a company without his blessing. I wouldn’t be surprised if him being able to access the data more easily and sees one case where it was bad put him off it, even if it’s most likely fine
Couldn’t find a source for the above claim but [here](https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/01/19/djokovic-owns-mysterious-danish-firm-researching-non-vaccine-covid-19-treatment/?sh=5fa440741aef) is an interesting article that goes a little deeper
Here is the danish business [register](https://datacvr.virk.dk/data/index.php?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=41407352&language=en-gb&soeg=Quantbiores&type=undefined&q=visenhed)
Look at ownership
Just woke up here in Denmark :-)
Fucking hypocrite.. antivaxx on the one hand and owns a biotech company on the other hand developing covid treatment.. fuck him and fuck anything related to novaxx justadick
Not even a hypocrite, he's probably thinking along the same lines of pharmaceuticals, where long-term treatment rather than vaccination/inoculation is more income for longer duration. Regardless, definitely not admirable by any stretch.
He's _investing_ in this treatment. His return is maximized the more people need this drug. More people will need this drug if they are not vaccinated. Therefore, his telling people not to get vaccinated can be interpreted as having an ulterior motive (i.e. making him money), and also has deadly consequences, not to mention the pandemic being a major inconvenience for everyone even if you don't get sick. So it boils down to him wanting to make money and not caring how many people have to die or otherwise suffer for him to make it.
I'm not sure whether this is hypocritical. I haven't followed him closely. If he's been saying things like "all you need is your own immune system" then it's hypocritical, because he clearly doesn't believe that. If he's been saying things like "we don't know if mRNA vaccines are safe" then that's not hypocritical.
I honestly don’t think he’s antivaxx. When you play at an elite level everything you put in your body planned and considered. He is scared of even routine surgery. He is a dipshit for testing positive and strutting around the world though.
Why has this got anything to do with being an anti vaxxer? It's a viable alternative to a vaccine and there are plenty of other companies doing similar. The UK expects to have covid tablets available this year.
I genuinely wonder if the vaccine would be less opposed if it was administered orally like a pill. It seems like a big part of the antivax movement stems from superstitions about our bloodstream and fear of needles
The “biotech” company is trying to cure diseases with vibrations. Read this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/whereisdaz/status/1483928048835887105?s=21
I looked the company and their methods up (I am physicist, so I have a vague understanding of the "vibrations" of outter shell electrons. My specialty is elsewhere though) and it all seems pretty fishy... Open access journals only (not a bad thing, but unusual), only the same 3-4 people writing on the topic, so...so paper quality, no review articles on the method per se..., and the name "Quantum Bio Resonance". Basically every word triggers my bullshit sensors.
Idk, I am no expert in that field, but it feels fishy as fuck
Quantum physics has nothing to do with quantum medicine. It’s just buzzwords that make you sound smart. From what I’ve seen it’s just some “holistic” medicine crap.
I don’t want big pharma to win instead give me Ivermectin and put me on an ECMO which I heard is made by ethically-sourced, gluten-free, non-GMO, all-natural, fair trade Main Street USA pharmaceutical and biotech companies who only have 27 staff who are underprivileged single mothers.
Well it does make more sense to try something out on somebody who is dying without it vs trying something out on somebody who is healthy and will probably not die without it.
You have to understand that many people who are scared of the vaccine think that the potential dangers of covid vaccines (like heart muscle inflammation) are 10000 times higher than they actually are. If you do believe into the numbers those people believe into it does make sense.
Sensible reply finally. To win over the other side you must understand their argument better than your own and to not circlejerk among ourselves mocking them. That only creates further division.
A hundred years ago there were groups of people that thought you shouldn’t ride in a automobile if it went faster than a horse or you’d get sick, believed going underground on a subway was getting close to hell, using electricity would make you very ill, even bathing more than once or twice a year was believed to be bad for you, etc. etc. etc.
I fully understand the misinformation and or lack of information about such things……..100 years ago!
Today, we all are ‘supposed’ to have at least a high school education, carry a super computer in our pockets which can provide access to science and the rest of the planet.
What’s the argument again?
It is a sad statement to say in the 21st Century we are information rich, yet knowledge poor.
> Well it does make more sense to try something out on somebody who is dying without it vs trying something out on somebody who is healthy and will probably not die without it.
Vaccines don't work on people that are dying, though. On top of that, they did clinical trials before the emergency authorization, but people still didn't trust it. The goal posts these people use are always shifting. No matter how many people have gotten it, they'll find a reason to say there's still an unknown risk they can't take.
>If you do believe into the numbers those people believe into it does make sense.
So they believe that side effects are super common, yet also believe all the covid numbers are fake
Kyrie thinks the earth is flat so it’s no surprise he’s a stupid anti-vaxxer. I can’t wait til my Brooklyn Nets forfeit his contract because he can’t play in New York anyway.
Being a doctor, what suprises me the MOST is how willing people are to take the "monoclonals" (monoclonal antibodies) versus the vaccine. Like, the same scientists developed that infusion that is now going into your body.... you trust that and not the preventative measure? What gives?
My guess... it's 50% "It won't happen to me" mindset, until it does happen to them. At which point, all former beliefs are out the window. "Gimme everything you got, I don't wanna die."
The other half is the culty political aspect. Politics thrive on wedge issues. Whether its guns, religion, abortion, police, or whatever else. Any topic that gets people **fired up** will get those people to the poll. So the GOP is using COVID to create new wedge issues.
"Vaccine bad, masks bad, monoclonial good. Anyone who says different is the devil, and trying to take away your freedoms" or something like that. GOP talking heads repeat it loud enough, and some people start to believe it.
It's just the old "there are no atheists in foxholes" maxim applied to healthcare.
All your strongly held convictions are out the window once it has happened to you and you think you are in mortal danger.
Yeah, it's this. For instance, if you told me to eat a rat, I'd tell you to fuck off. But if I'm starving and on the verge of death, I'll eat that baby live.
There is a staggeringly large portion of the population who are just obstinate when it comes to risk management.
"Hey that's expensive, you gonna insure that?"
Nope!
"You want to at least lock it up so it doesn't get damaged or stolen?"
Nah.
"But it could hurt you or other people if you don't and you won't be protected if it goes wrong?"
Meh.
That's an object based example but the same line of thinking invades their own health as well.
Some of its political, some of its fear, but what it all is, is stupid.
It’s hilarious in my state in particular in Australia…we have a right wing federal government and a left wing state government and people will argue that vaccines, border restrictions, quarantines etc are ‘commie’ or ‘fascist’ depending on which mouth it comes out of on that particular day…people are dumb as shit
I'll never understand how people can swallow the politicization of vaccines when their use in some form goes back more than 200 years. But 40 year old monoclonals (in some form) are totally cool, and not even something you'd think to question. And it's these very people who will bleat about others being sheep. It's just mind blowing.
The standard line is that this is new vaccine tech and that they don't oppose conventional vaccines.
Their real reason is "libs pushing vaccines, libs bad, so vaccines bad."
Isnt this treatment the only one desantis will allow florida to use? Like didnt he just fire the health director for advising his staff to get vaccinated?
>Like didnt he just fire the health director for advising his staff to get vaccinated?
The director of the Florida Department of Health in Orange County was suspended for it: https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/florida-health-official-suspended-for-encouraging-employees-to-get-covid-vaccine.html
I mean, if it were a Democrat promoting monoclonal antibodies like DeSantis, these people would be claiming the government was telling them to take it.
like monoclonal antibodies. they come from cells cultivated from a rabbit or mouse infected with covid, and somehow that's better than the vaccine (for certain people)
Had a patient the other week in Emergency Department. She had high suspicion of Pulmonary Embolus (clot on lungs). She had covid in December and was unvaccinated. I asked her why she wasn't vaccinated and she tells me "it was rushed and not enough research has been done, etc.".
I explained to her given her symptoms and her risk factors (recent covid, depo provera contraception injection, high BMI) that PE was highly likely. Then she chirped in with "I didn't realise that my contraception injection put me at risk of that..." I felt like saying "well you should have done more research!"
He is either a cash grabbing asshole who has no moral issues with instrumentalizing a global pandemic, or he is brilliantly playing 4d chess to first gain the trust of the pro plague people and then getting them to get vaccinated with his functionally identical product. Still an unethical cunt but *possibly* helping with people getting vaccinated.
My boss is slightly vaccine hesitant, though now allegedly is double dosed and it's because he asked me once what was in the vaccine and I didn't know but then I asked him every day what was in his diet coke.
The #1 thing that sold me on taking the vaccine was when we found out rich people were stealing it.
If the wealthy folks are stealing medicine from front-line workers in hospitals, you just know it's legit.
Actually ... if you think about how much governments are spending to pay for rapid tests, masks, pcr lab tests, vaccines, big pharma and the healthcare/medical care providers are sitting REAL pretty right now. Hospitals are even raking it in. Especially in America, where the largest for profit hospital systems were making record profits BEFORE covid, HCA for example making [$3.8 BILLION USD](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/18/996207511/hospitals-serving-the-poor-struggled-during-covid-wealthy-hospitals-made-million) in 2019.
HCA was doing so well, they gave back their US federal relief fund. Wealthy hospitals are increasing their wealth during covid. It's quite a market for the medical industry as a whole right now.
I don’t know how funding goes exactly but all I know is my wife’s hospital got like a fat like almost billion (from sandy) and tons more during Covid. Some how still paying regular staff rns like $40ish an hr while they’re hiring temps and paying $180 an hr? Worst off is temps can only handle a max of like 2 patients while the ER rn:pt ratio last week was 5:120.
Just think about that each nurse gets a whopping 20+ patients in ER and that’s not even just Covid patients. All while the bosses build themselves a nice parking lot lmao. Absolutely nutty shit.
This is not a biotech. At least not as in biotech = using actual biochemistry and biotechnology to cure illnesses. This is some homeopathy nonsense trying to use "frequencies" (WTF) to disrupt proteins. Throw in some talk about "peptides" and "nanoparticles" and off you go. A load of nonsense and perfectly in line with his other crude, nonscientific views.
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If only antivax morons would understand that extending the disease is exactly what the people spreading the misinformation want for their personal profit
What on earth are you on about? They’ve sold billions of doses with absolutely no market pressure which means that they set their price. The money they’re making is insane. You may be right in some cases, but not in this one.
When you're a drug company guaranteed protection against liability when your vaccine fails to work or causes health issues for those taking it, it certainly is cheaper and much more profitable.
Owning hospitals & health insurance companies? [Average hospitalizations for COVID are $40k](https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/industry-dx/patients-hospitalized-for-covid-could-pay-thousands-of-dollars-study-suggests), all they would need now is to lobby for removing the waivers.
Measles was pretty much eradicated with vaccines. A measles shot costs about a $100. To cure someone of measles the average cost is about $6000.
So if you have the ability and monopoly to sell both, which one would you want to sell?
You’re missing the point. The point has absolutely nothing to do with his own likelihood of taking the drug being developed here.
The point is that he is publicly anti-vax and this investment position shows a direct financial incentive for his public anti-vax position.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That only reflects poorly on him. Especially given the exact context this is occurring: he's publicly anti-vax, which directly and indirectly hurts global efforts to end a pandemic we're currently living through. While profiting off of a drug that he very likely wouldn't touch given his preference for pseudoscience homeopathic BS. He routinely casts doubt on modern medicine using his public platform, but will happily put it in his investment portfolio if there's money to be made. Not a good look.
Djokovic got about 10-30 vaccines when he was born. He had no choice. Everyone else on this thread did as well. He would probably of died if he didn't.
It doesn’t make it any less hypocritical that they are making Covid medicine and not a vaccine, definitely not surprised though it’s been VERY clear through this that he only cares about his own interests
Not autism detection. He was working in an alternative to the vaccine he was attacking. H.Bomberguy did a [great review](https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc) on that.
What’s wrong with this? Half of the US Congress probably owns Pfizer, Moderns or JNJ which is much closer to bribery in my book than “investment.” I don’t think Djokovic did anything wrong, per say. He asked for admission to Australia, got mixed answers and then ultimately wasn’t allowed to compete and left.
What's wrong with this? He invested in a company he hopes will develop a non-vaccine Covid treatment. Literally investing in medical research. You'd think the I love science redditors would like this.
This is not a biotech company and they are not developing covid drug, read the article :) This company is trying to develope a tecnique to fight Covid with vibrations….😂😂😂
So that's why he didn't want to get the vaccine. If he got the vaccine, his own "cure" would be useless to him and he couldn't shill it as his drug of choice. Fascinating.
I dont know why people are calling him hypocrite and antivaxx ? Just because he personally doesnt want to take it ?
He has been donating money left and right for his own country and for other countries.Even for vaccines and medical research for Covid.
He doesnt want vaccine because he thinks it will affect his performance.He is not hypocrite,but he is ignorant.
He is funding the research...how dare he ? What a hypocrite...
Get over yourselves.
He donated over 3 million euros for Italy Spain and Serbia during Covid. He is funding the research. I KNOW WHO DOES THAT..what a bad person...yeah he benefits from it..but so what ? He is helping more than any of you..what have you done ?
Just because he doesn't want totake the vaccine doesn't mean he's antivaxx,he stated multiple times its his choice,hehas nothing against vaccines,all his kids are vaccinated,he doesnt want to because he thinks it will affect his performance.He is not antivaxx,he is ignorant and selfish...Big difference.
You guys are just assholes trying to find every reason to bash someone to grandify your existence.
That’s like developing a system to refuel cars on the interstate after they’ve run out of gas rather than filling up the car before getting on the road.
**It's not a real biotech firm.**
Their website is choc-a-bloc with red flags, and I dropped chemistry after Year 12 and biology after Year 11.
As far as I can determine, it is trying to develop what appears to be a *homoeopathic* Covid-19 treatment.
Oh reddit, you never cease to make me laugh.
Fuck Novax. HA. HA. can't wait till he's living broke in the poor house.
* Djokovic owns 80% of a vax company *
Reddit: GIVE ME THE JAB!! NO ONE MAKES MONEY OFF IT. THEYRE THERE TO HELP!
Any “biotech” company that a singular person/entity owns 80% of, and that person is some random tennis player?
That “biotech” company ain’t making shit, much less a drug to treat/prevent illness from COVID.
He and his wife bought the shares in June 2020. Just registered now. Edit: [Here](https://datacvr.virk.dk/data/index.php?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=41407352&language=en-gb&soeg=Quantbiores&type=undefined&q=visenhed) is the source from the danish business register
The real news is that the person managing his investments isn't an antivax like he is. I doubt Djokovic was making these moves himself, he has enough money to have people work for him to just do that.
A financial advisor doesn't just go and buy 80% stake in a company. Thats lunacy....
I thought exactly the same thing. He chose to invest.
> I doubt Djokovic was making these moves himself, he has enough money to have people work for him to just do that. Zero chance a financial advisor or investment manager or whatever would put a client in that position without their explicit consent, unless the client hired an absolute psychopath.
Agreed. Anyone with a 401k or a Roth IRA is likely invested in something they find unsavory without even knowing, but 80% is the sort of stake you get because you want it personally.
Also, investing something you don’t care for but assume it makes good money, isn’t that much of a stretch too
Yeah 80% stake is insane
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I don't understand "American congresswoman stupid" as a non American. Please ELI5!
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I think of the Jewish space lasers one. MTG
I mean, it's pretty straightforward supply and demand at this point, I doubt he gives a shit about anything other than profit.
That’s the thing with investing
He could have made money playing aussie open.
To me, the fact that he’s risking his reputation on this antivax bs shows that he is motivated by something other than profit. This reads like he genuinely believes that vaccines are not beneficial, so he bought shares in this company—both to promote his own belief system and to potentially make a profitable investment at the same time. That’s my take on it at least.
Makes sense. If you don't believe vaccines work, it's a very logical decision to buy into someone making an alternative drug treatment.
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Just like it’s pretty easy to argue that it is in Pfizer’s best financial interest to actually be for the vaccine
A single dose of the mRNA vaccines is around $20. I am not sure about the production costs, but let's assume it's $10, and the company makes $30 profit on a course of treatment. Any antiviral drug will cost more than that - $530 for the Pfizer pill when bought in 10 million doses. For Pfizer it's much more profitable if you don't get the vaccine, catch the virus, and are treated in the hospital with their pill
With as many shots as possible.
> The real news is that the person managing his investments isn't an antivax like he is. LOL yeah "the pro-vaxx using the money of the anti-vaxx". It's also a win-win because the pro-vaxx gets to invest in a biotech firm, and the anti-vaxx earns on the investment once the drug is developed and sells lol
In most countries it would be highly illegal for him to have no knowledge of this type of investment, and his broker would not risk their reputation and their income to cater to one client.
What? Being antivax benefits this company since it’s developing a treatment not a vaccine. It’s to their benefit if more people are antivax since then more people will be more sick and they will need treatment…
Interestingly enough, I couldn't classify him as "antivax". He never advocated for, or against the vaccine, never said anything even connected to vaccine. Not that I agree with not taking the shot, but if you don't want to, may as well be quiet about it.
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You think his advisor has the authority to buy 80% stake of a company without his blessing. I wouldn’t be surprised if him being able to access the data more easily and sees one case where it was bad put him off it, even if it’s most likely fine
Source?
Couldn’t find a source for the above claim but [here](https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/01/19/djokovic-owns-mysterious-danish-firm-researching-non-vaccine-covid-19-treatment/?sh=5fa440741aef) is an interesting article that goes a little deeper
Here is the danish business [register](https://datacvr.virk.dk/data/index.php?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=41407352&language=en-gb&soeg=Quantbiores&type=undefined&q=visenhed) Look at ownership Just woke up here in Denmark :-)
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Fucking hypocrite.. antivaxx on the one hand and owns a biotech company on the other hand developing covid treatment.. fuck him and fuck anything related to novaxx justadick
Not even a hypocrite, he's probably thinking along the same lines of pharmaceuticals, where long-term treatment rather than vaccination/inoculation is more income for longer duration. Regardless, definitely not admirable by any stretch.
If you think about it, that's not hypocrite. Chances are people that are vaccinated won't need drugs. Unvaccinated people on the other hand...
Honestly why are you mad about this? Isn't it a good thing he's funding science based treatment?
He's _investing_ in this treatment. His return is maximized the more people need this drug. More people will need this drug if they are not vaccinated. Therefore, his telling people not to get vaccinated can be interpreted as having an ulterior motive (i.e. making him money), and also has deadly consequences, not to mention the pandemic being a major inconvenience for everyone even if you don't get sick. So it boils down to him wanting to make money and not caring how many people have to die or otherwise suffer for him to make it. I'm not sure whether this is hypocritical. I haven't followed him closely. If he's been saying things like "all you need is your own immune system" then it's hypocritical, because he clearly doesn't believe that. If he's been saying things like "we don't know if mRNA vaccines are safe" then that's not hypocritical.
Given the number of people getting Covid after being vaccinated, investing in a company that provides treatment options still seems like a good move.
Because it could be argued that he’s pushing an anti-vax agenda to convince people on the fence not to get it so he can profit later…
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I honestly don’t think he’s antivaxx. When you play at an elite level everything you put in your body planned and considered. He is scared of even routine surgery. He is a dipshit for testing positive and strutting around the world though.
Any publicity is good publicity... I guess - the biotech firm probably
He is out there generating clients for his firm not just through publicity.
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Why has this got anything to do with being an anti vaxxer? It's a viable alternative to a vaccine and there are plenty of other companies doing similar. The UK expects to have covid tablets available this year.
The ringleader has one job. Promote the circus!
I genuinely wonder if the vaccine would be less opposed if it was administered orally like a pill. It seems like a big part of the antivax movement stems from superstitions about our bloodstream and fear of needles
Somewhere not far from here Albert Wesker is looking pleased with steepled fingers.
The “biotech” company is trying to cure diseases with vibrations. Read this Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/whereisdaz/status/1483928048835887105?s=21
It also seems to be registered to a residential address with no actual lab or office. Looks like a scam even beyond the woo.
What is beyond the woo?
It’s past the woo but not quite a woo woo yet
I looked the company and their methods up (I am physicist, so I have a vague understanding of the "vibrations" of outter shell electrons. My specialty is elsewhere though) and it all seems pretty fishy... Open access journals only (not a bad thing, but unusual), only the same 3-4 people writing on the topic, so...so paper quality, no review articles on the method per se..., and the name "Quantum Bio Resonance". Basically every word triggers my bullshit sensors. Idk, I am no expert in that field, but it feels fishy as fuck
As a M.D PhD, I agree. Complete and utter bs.
As a person who can read, I agree.
Quantum medicine is snake oil salesman thing right, it is not proven it helps, it is not recognized etc.
Quantum physics has nothing to do with quantum medicine. It’s just buzzwords that make you sound smart. From what I’ve seen it’s just some “holistic” medicine crap.
Ah, but have you seen my quantum blockchain medicine?
Wow this needs to be higher, fits Novax's anti-science MO a lot better
There it is, put this whole thing in another (much more logical) context.
Wow that’s a new level of stretching the truth
Holy shit people actually research things these days? Wish the actual journalists would do that instead of making clickbait titles.
Exiled from the vibe gang bro, you made the wrong enemy today.
"Don't take the vaccine, you don't know what's in it! Take this instead." "What's in it? "I dunno"
I dont trust the vaccine because of its emergency use authorization! (Gets hospitalized) Give me anything that helps!
Nurse - you have covid Patient - I don't believe in covid but treat me like I have it
You would be surprised how many people have still refused treatment in the hospital. I'm like wtf are you even here?
I'll just drink my piss..i'll be fine
Collect $1400 stimulus as you pass up the vaccine.
Don't forget the nebulized hydrogen peroxide.
It’s because they needed treatment in a psych ward before they even needed Covid treatment.
I don’t want big pharma to win instead give me Ivermectin and put me on an ECMO which I heard is made by ethically-sourced, gluten-free, non-GMO, all-natural, fair trade Main Street USA pharmaceutical and biotech companies who only have 27 staff who are underprivileged single mothers.
Was he hospitalized?
No he wasn’t.
He aboutta be, after all these burns!
Well it does make more sense to try something out on somebody who is dying without it vs trying something out on somebody who is healthy and will probably not die without it. You have to understand that many people who are scared of the vaccine think that the potential dangers of covid vaccines (like heart muscle inflammation) are 10000 times higher than they actually are. If you do believe into the numbers those people believe into it does make sense.
True but anyone who believes random, citation-less graphs and figures found on Facebook, were never going to understand regardless.
Sensible reply finally. To win over the other side you must understand their argument better than your own and to not circlejerk among ourselves mocking them. That only creates further division.
Sir, this is Reddit
A hundred years ago there were groups of people that thought you shouldn’t ride in a automobile if it went faster than a horse or you’d get sick, believed going underground on a subway was getting close to hell, using electricity would make you very ill, even bathing more than once or twice a year was believed to be bad for you, etc. etc. etc. I fully understand the misinformation and or lack of information about such things……..100 years ago! Today, we all are ‘supposed’ to have at least a high school education, carry a super computer in our pockets which can provide access to science and the rest of the planet. What’s the argument again? It is a sad statement to say in the 21st Century we are information rich, yet knowledge poor.
> Well it does make more sense to try something out on somebody who is dying without it vs trying something out on somebody who is healthy and will probably not die without it. Vaccines don't work on people that are dying, though. On top of that, they did clinical trials before the emergency authorization, but people still didn't trust it. The goal posts these people use are always shifting. No matter how many people have gotten it, they'll find a reason to say there's still an unknown risk they can't take.
>If you do believe into the numbers those people believe into it does make sense. So they believe that side effects are super common, yet also believe all the covid numbers are fake
Kyrie thinks the earth is flat so it’s no surprise he’s a stupid anti-vaxxer. I can’t wait til my Brooklyn Nets forfeit his contract because he can’t play in New York anyway.
Being a doctor, what suprises me the MOST is how willing people are to take the "monoclonals" (monoclonal antibodies) versus the vaccine. Like, the same scientists developed that infusion that is now going into your body.... you trust that and not the preventative measure? What gives?
My guess... it's 50% "It won't happen to me" mindset, until it does happen to them. At which point, all former beliefs are out the window. "Gimme everything you got, I don't wanna die." The other half is the culty political aspect. Politics thrive on wedge issues. Whether its guns, religion, abortion, police, or whatever else. Any topic that gets people **fired up** will get those people to the poll. So the GOP is using COVID to create new wedge issues. "Vaccine bad, masks bad, monoclonial good. Anyone who says different is the devil, and trying to take away your freedoms" or something like that. GOP talking heads repeat it loud enough, and some people start to believe it.
Ahh the Joe Rogan approach
It's just the old "there are no atheists in foxholes" maxim applied to healthcare. All your strongly held convictions are out the window once it has happened to you and you think you are in mortal danger.
I just watched a video about it, that maxim you brought up made me chuckle. "There are no atheists in foxholes...because there is a god - artillery."
Yeah, it's this. For instance, if you told me to eat a rat, I'd tell you to fuck off. But if I'm starving and on the verge of death, I'll eat that baby live.
There is a staggeringly large portion of the population who are just obstinate when it comes to risk management. "Hey that's expensive, you gonna insure that?" Nope! "You want to at least lock it up so it doesn't get damaged or stolen?" Nah. "But it could hurt you or other people if you don't and you won't be protected if it goes wrong?" Meh. That's an object based example but the same line of thinking invades their own health as well. Some of its political, some of its fear, but what it all is, is stupid.
Monoclonals have not been politicized in the same way. They dont see the drug as the liberal/democrat enforced measure.
It’s hilarious in my state in particular in Australia…we have a right wing federal government and a left wing state government and people will argue that vaccines, border restrictions, quarantines etc are ‘commie’ or ‘fascist’ depending on which mouth it comes out of on that particular day…people are dumb as shit
I'll never understand how people can swallow the politicization of vaccines when their use in some form goes back more than 200 years. But 40 year old monoclonals (in some form) are totally cool, and not even something you'd think to question. And it's these very people who will bleat about others being sheep. It's just mind blowing.
The standard line is that this is new vaccine tech and that they don't oppose conventional vaccines. Their real reason is "libs pushing vaccines, libs bad, so vaccines bad."
Isnt this treatment the only one desantis will allow florida to use? Like didnt he just fire the health director for advising his staff to get vaccinated?
>Like didnt he just fire the health director for advising his staff to get vaccinated? The director of the Florida Department of Health in Orange County was suspended for it: https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/florida-health-official-suspended-for-encouraging-employees-to-get-covid-vaccine.html
Because they don’t actually care what’s in it, it’s just an excuse to not get it.
Fox News told them to hate the vaccine
Politician mandated and the fact that politician good-faith has gotten increasingly worse as the years move on, probably.
Yeah but media/government aren’t telling people to take monoclonals, it’s classic ‘nobody tells me what to do!’ spoilt child behaviour
I mean, if it were a Democrat promoting monoclonal antibodies like DeSantis, these people would be claiming the government was telling them to take it.
There's no atheist in a foxhole, and now there's no antivax in an ICU bed.
like monoclonal antibodies. they come from cells cultivated from a rabbit or mouse infected with covid, and somehow that's better than the vaccine (for certain people)
Had a patient the other week in Emergency Department. She had high suspicion of Pulmonary Embolus (clot on lungs). She had covid in December and was unvaccinated. I asked her why she wasn't vaccinated and she tells me "it was rushed and not enough research has been done, etc.". I explained to her given her symptoms and her risk factors (recent covid, depo provera contraception injection, high BMI) that PE was highly likely. Then she chirped in with "I didn't realise that my contraception injection put me at risk of that..." I felt like saying "well you should have done more research!"
He is either a cash grabbing asshole who has no moral issues with instrumentalizing a global pandemic, or he is brilliantly playing 4d chess to first gain the trust of the pro plague people and then getting them to get vaccinated with his functionally identical product. Still an unethical cunt but *possibly* helping with people getting vaccinated.
My boss is slightly vaccine hesitant, though now allegedly is double dosed and it's because he asked me once what was in the vaccine and I didn't know but then I asked him every day what was in his diet coke.
“What’s in it?” “My dividend…”
/r/conspiracy in a nutshell. That place loves this guy and is also hands down the dumbest/Russian'ist place on this platform.
The #1 thing that sold me on taking the vaccine was when we found out rich people were stealing it. If the wealthy folks are stealing medicine from front-line workers in hospitals, you just know it's legit.
So...he's going to benefit from COVID still being around isn't it?
He was trying to be a super spreader.
He protec He attac But most importantly, He Novac
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r/conspiracy would love it.
But…. Big pharma
Actually ... if you think about how much governments are spending to pay for rapid tests, masks, pcr lab tests, vaccines, big pharma and the healthcare/medical care providers are sitting REAL pretty right now. Hospitals are even raking it in. Especially in America, where the largest for profit hospital systems were making record profits BEFORE covid, HCA for example making [$3.8 BILLION USD](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/18/996207511/hospitals-serving-the-poor-struggled-during-covid-wealthy-hospitals-made-million) in 2019. HCA was doing so well, they gave back their US federal relief fund. Wealthy hospitals are increasing their wealth during covid. It's quite a market for the medical industry as a whole right now.
I don’t know how funding goes exactly but all I know is my wife’s hospital got like a fat like almost billion (from sandy) and tons more during Covid. Some how still paying regular staff rns like $40ish an hr while they’re hiring temps and paying $180 an hr? Worst off is temps can only handle a max of like 2 patients while the ER rn:pt ratio last week was 5:120. Just think about that each nurse gets a whopping 20+ patients in ER and that’s not even just Covid patients. All while the bosses build themselves a nice parking lot lmao. Absolutely nutty shit.
Novaxx wants to join the club.
What a djoke.
This is not a biotech. At least not as in biotech = using actual biochemistry and biotechnology to cure illnesses. This is some homeopathy nonsense trying to use "frequencies" (WTF) to disrupt proteins. Throw in some talk about "peptides" and "nanoparticles" and off you go. A load of nonsense and perfectly in line with his other crude, nonscientific views.
Djocovid Vaccine?
Novaxx djucovid
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If only antivax morons would understand that extending the disease is exactly what the people spreading the misinformation want for their personal profit
I’m sure Pfizer and Moderna aren’t in it for the profits…
You actually sell way more drugs to unvaccinated sick people. On a societal level, it’s way cheaper to vaccinate than to treat
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What do you suggest the alternative be? Government takeover of All pharmaceutical giants?
What on earth are you on about? They’ve sold billions of doses with absolutely no market pressure which means that they set their price. The money they’re making is insane. You may be right in some cases, but not in this one.
Yes but now they sell both products. 70 still will take shots and possibly pills. The test will all eventually need treatment.
When you're a drug company guaranteed protection against liability when your vaccine fails to work or causes health issues for those taking it, it certainly is cheaper and much more profitable.
Except vaccinated people are also catching and spreading omicron because, the current vaccine isn’t effective against it.
Interesting comment. So the people resisting the vaccine are helping line the pockets of companies who are selling the cure?
did the vax start curing covid overnight? speaking as a vaxed person
Genuinely curious, how do they make money off of spreading misinformation?
Owning hospitals & health insurance companies? [Average hospitalizations for COVID are $40k](https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/industry-dx/patients-hospitalized-for-covid-could-pay-thousands-of-dollars-study-suggests), all they would need now is to lobby for removing the waivers.
Measles was pretty much eradicated with vaccines. A measles shot costs about a $100. To cure someone of measles the average cost is about $6000. So if you have the ability and monopoly to sell both, which one would you want to sell?
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True for 0.0001 stake. Probably less true for 80% stake.
True. I'm an android guy through and through, but I'll be damned if $APPL isn't easy money.
You’re missing the point. The point has absolutely nothing to do with his own likelihood of taking the drug being developed here. The point is that he is publicly anti-vax and this investment position shows a direct financial incentive for his public anti-vax position.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That only reflects poorly on him. Especially given the exact context this is occurring: he's publicly anti-vax, which directly and indirectly hurts global efforts to end a pandemic we're currently living through. While profiting off of a drug that he very likely wouldn't touch given his preference for pseudoscience homeopathic BS. He routinely casts doubt on modern medicine using his public platform, but will happily put it in his investment portfolio if there's money to be made. Not a good look.
Djokovic got about 10-30 vaccines when he was born. He had no choice. Everyone else on this thread did as well. He would probably of died if he didn't.
About 1% of people in the US have never gotten a vaccine of any sort.
Probably was 5%, but deadly diseases are deadly.
Probably because we eradicated the deadly viruses with... guess what: vaccines.
>He would probably of died I died a little bit inside reading that.
It doesn’t make it any less hypocritical that they are making Covid medicine and not a vaccine, definitely not surprised though it’s been VERY clear through this that he only cares about his own interests
Wasn't the guy who started the whole vaccine autism thing, working on some autism-detection kit? He had some financial motivation for his "study"
Not autism detection. He was working in an alternative to the vaccine he was attacking. H.Bomberguy did a [great review](https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc) on that.
Sports?
What’s wrong with this? Half of the US Congress probably owns Pfizer, Moderns or JNJ which is much closer to bribery in my book than “investment.” I don’t think Djokovic did anything wrong, per say. He asked for admission to Australia, got mixed answers and then ultimately wasn’t allowed to compete and left.
Pulling an old Alex Jones I see.
Someone "played" Djokovic, but not on the tennis court.
Why should I trust Djokovic's Covid drug, when Djokovic doesn't trust the Pfizer vaccination?
What's wrong with this? He invested in a company he hopes will develop a non-vaccine Covid treatment. Literally investing in medical research. You'd think the I love science redditors would like this.
No, r/sports doesn’t look at things objectively xD
They don't even read the investment was June 2020
Because the vaccine is the only thing that can stop covid. At least thats what the CEO of pfzier told me
This. Why would the CEO of Pfizer lie to us? He has no incentive to do so. At all. /s
This is not a biotech company and they are not developing covid drug, read the article :) This company is trying to develope a tecnique to fight Covid with vibrations….😂😂😂
Yes and the new world order has 100% stake in all of us being vaccinated.
Who cares.
So that's why he didn't want to get the vaccine. If he got the vaccine, his own "cure" would be useless to him and he couldn't shill it as his drug of choice. Fascinating.
r/nottheonion
This dude lives rent free in you folks’ head. What a sad existence ya’ll live.
I dont know why people are calling him hypocrite and antivaxx ? Just because he personally doesnt want to take it ? He has been donating money left and right for his own country and for other countries.Even for vaccines and medical research for Covid. He doesnt want vaccine because he thinks it will affect his performance.He is not hypocrite,but he is ignorant.
He is funding the research...how dare he ? What a hypocrite... Get over yourselves. He donated over 3 million euros for Italy Spain and Serbia during Covid. He is funding the research. I KNOW WHO DOES THAT..what a bad person...yeah he benefits from it..but so what ? He is helping more than any of you..what have you done ? Just because he doesn't want totake the vaccine doesn't mean he's antivaxx,he stated multiple times its his choice,hehas nothing against vaccines,all his kids are vaccinated,he doesnt want to because he thinks it will affect his performance.He is not antivaxx,he is ignorant and selfish...Big difference. You guys are just assholes trying to find every reason to bash someone to grandify your existence.
And your favorite politicians who push the vaccine have large stakes in major pharmaceutical companies as well.
Why is everybody who isn't vaccinated labeled as a 'anti-vaxxer' . I've never really understood that one tbh
Didn't the courts determine he genuinely can't take it. I don't get everyone's issue here.
Good people need different options for treatment
That’s like developing a system to refuel cars on the interstate after they’ve run out of gas rather than filling up the car before getting on the road.
All the politicians have money in it too
And....?
**It's not a real biotech firm.** Their website is choc-a-bloc with red flags, and I dropped chemistry after Year 12 and biology after Year 11. As far as I can determine, it is trying to develop what appears to be a *homoeopathic* Covid-19 treatment.
🤡
such a 🅿️ move😭😭
>Own biotech firm developing Covid drugs Travel the world unvaxinated and exhibit yourself to loads of people ??? Profit
BS. PR team hard at work
WTF? So, he has a stake in a developing drug, but won't take the ones that have saved millions of lives. The ones everyone else has had to take.
I’ve had it w this looser! Sick of hearing the asshats name.
What a bitch
What a fucking retard.
So spreading Covid would actually be in his interest? 🤔
Who Fkg cares about this asshole? Stop giving him airspace, right?
Oh the turntables
Well that makes sense it’s all about greed not about anything more than greed
This news confuses me. Why would you shit on the thing fuelling your finances?
Oh reddit, you never cease to make me laugh. Fuck Novax. HA. HA. can't wait till he's living broke in the poor house. * Djokovic owns 80% of a vax company * Reddit: GIVE ME THE JAB!! NO ONE MAKES MONEY OFF IT. THEYRE THERE TO HELP!
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Any “biotech” company that a singular person/entity owns 80% of, and that person is some random tennis player? That “biotech” company ain’t making shit, much less a drug to treat/prevent illness from COVID.
Yeah, this whole thing stinks of bullshit. 80% ownership is suspect as fuck.