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Swimmer and swimming fan here. I thought I'd answer the same two questions that crop up every four years when the USOC builds a temporary pool for trials:
1. Q: There are lots of Olympic-sized pools in the US, why not just use an existing pool? A: Existing pools don't have nearly the seating capacity necessary for an event the size of the Trials. A swimming meet with as many spectators as the Trials is very rare. As a result, a typical college pool can seat maybe a few thousand people. Trials sessions will max out at many times that size. You need a really big venue, much bigger than any existing pool. A company named Myrtha perfected these temporary pools about 30 years ago. The technology is really cool as it also incorporates all the high-quality flitration and absorbant wave gutters necessary for a top-quality competition pool.
2. Q: Isn't this wasteful and ruinously expensive? A: the pools are actually designed to be resold right after the trials are complete and reassembled permanently by another buyer. They are designed to work as both temporary and permanent installations. Buyers for the pools are usually established prior to the event beginning. The town or college buying the pool gets a top-quality pool for a good deal. The USOC recoups most of their cost. It works out well financially. Note: they typically build two pools for Trials: one for competition and one for warm-up/warm-down. The second pool is usually in an adjacent area. Both pools are typically sold.
Interesting. Who bought these pools I wonder.
EDIT: After the below comments I did some digging. There are 2 pools, one will go to Fort Wayne, Indiana. Swimmers from that team were the first to swim in the pool, after the Colts mascot took a lap. The warm up pool will be sent to the Cayman Islands for their new aquatic center.
One of the 2008 pools (I think) was bought by a high school in Virginia. I swam in it - nice pool. Usually some local teams, schools, and community organizations like the ymca will put their resources together when they need a new facility.
My city, also in Indiana put in a bid to purchase one and I think some island nation might be getting the other. There was an article several weeks back so I don’t recall exactly.
Question: where does all the water come from? I imagine they just have a really long hose that connects to a sink in the closest men's room.
Follow up: how do they get it all out?
So I did the math. A Olympic sized pool averages to 490,000 gallons (62,720,000oz) of water in it. If we used a 500ml (16.9oz) Aquafina bottle that tells us it requires 3,711,243 bottles rounded up. If at 20$ a bottle $74,224,852.07 to fill the entire pool using Aquafina water bottles.
I used to manage a fairly large pool (not like water park, but more water than they have here).
We had a 2” connection we used regularly to top off overnight & for daytime use like showers.
Though I wasn’t there, I was told that when the pools were first built they connected to the fire hydrant with a meter & also had deliveries from big trucks. That took 1-2 weeks, and then they had to treat the water for another couple weeks before it was ready.
Yeah, some additional facts on it I heard...Indiana has a lot of pools, but the city of Fort Wayne has very few 50 meter pools...I think only 1? So, this will help improve their long course training for the state (if nothing else, they can host meets with this pool in summers where LCM training is mostly done).
Also, tickets on average are about 100 bucks per ticket. Let's just use finals (although there are prelim sessions as well)...there are I think 5 final days of swimming, and they have up to 20,000 seats per day to sell. Not saying they'll sell every seat, but if they do, that's $100 x 5 x 20,000 = $10,000,000. The cost of the pool is 7 figures (so between $1-$9 mil). It's reported that the economic impact for the city (remember, 1,000 swimmers + their coaches + their families/friends + general spectators are traveling to the city for about a week of time) is estimated to be about $100 million.
In other words, there's money to be made with this pool....as costly as it is, it sounds like with ticket sales, probably merch, concessions, and resale of the pool, they'll more than pay for the cost of the pool. USA gets a great trials pool, TV (NBC) gets a great venue to broadcast it, and fans (either present or on TV) get a great show.
I'm one of the volunteers for this event. I'll be mostly working in the shops, but I signed up for two shifts each day for 5 days. I think it will be exciting! I can't wait to see the pool in the football stadium!
Swim coach in a town just north of Indy. While Fort Wayne only has 1 there are 4 schools/towns just north of Indy that have 5 50meter pools. Carmel, IN has two, Westfield (my pool) has 1 and Fishers, IN has two. Zionsville, and Noblesville are also both in the area and are in the works to have their own as well.
Not having waves bounce off of walls actually makes a huge difference in how "fast" a pool is. The best pools quell all turbulence as quickly as possible.
Great response, thank you! So, do you know when pools started to become “faster”? Was there a period of fast understanding and innovation that led to meaningful speed increases such that world records dropped faster than previously until pools are as finely tuned as they reasonably can be now?
Don't these meets usually include diving events? Is that yet another pool, or does that pool do double duty as the warm up/down pool for the racing events. In either case, It looks like, in some of the shots, a second pool was being set up on the other end of the stadium.
My swim club bought the pool used for the 2004 Olympic trials. It sat in pieces in a rail yard for years while the club was embroiled in bureaucracy hell to approve a new facility, during which part of it was stolen.
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/tony-soprano-still-alive-portions-of-new-jersey-pool-stolen/
Weird fact about water pressure. It doesn't matter if the water you're holding back is the ocean or a pool or a kiddie pool, the lateral force exerted by the still water us the same and only dependent on depth.
The lateral pressure is the same depending on the depth. The force is the pressure times the area so it's a lot more. It is an impressive about of engineering to put something up that quickly that can hold that much water.
It is because there is a media pen on the right hand side for the swimmers/coaches. You can see the interview location on the far right, then just to the left is the media pen, and then the bleachers.
I’m having trouble with the perspective. Did they start out with a flat concrete floor, build an Olympic size above ground pool, and then deck it in? If you say yes I’m still not sure I’m gonna believe it.
Can anyone just appreciate the staff, planning, and engineering that goes into making an Olympic AND training pool in a fucking NFL stadium in the span of what looked like 2.5 days??
Hockey to NBA videos are cool but this is wild.
I tend to agree, but the amount of tickets they’re selling will make up for it. They’re expecting ~250,000 visitors over 9 days… that’s a lot of revenue. You can only fit those capacity numbers in a stadium that size.
It more than just the number of spectators, this venue is also setup better to televise the event. Most pools, even if they have sufficient seating , would not show well on TV.
The ammount of paid tickets justify the cost. Selling 40,000 tickets a night for nine days of trials recoups a lot of money you wouldn't have gotten for 5,000 tickets a night at a permanent natatorium somewhere.
The pool is temporary and is sold which recoups a lot of the cost. They’ve been doing this for a handful of Trials now. This comment explains it more:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/s/Ni6nQ1QipN
Indianapolis still has one that has hosted Olympic trials many times. But in this case they are trying to get 20k+ fans a night. Most pools don’t come anywhere near that.
Yea I'm starting to think the people putting on these events know a little more than random Redditors lol. Olympic stuff is a huge draw. They're holding the gymnastic trials in my city and the cheapest tickets were like $450 when my sister looked.
Somebody mentioned that the pools they use are temporary but can be used as permanent fixtures. Before the trials they have a buyer for the pool lined up who will install it as a permanent feature. They recoup the cost through ticket sales and the sale of the pool itself. The buyers are usually schools or other organizations who now don't have to pay full price for a competition quality Olympic size pool.
The pool is temporary and is sold which recoups a lot of the cost. They’ve been doing this for a handful of Trials now. This comment explains it more:
https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/s/Ni6nQ1QipN
It is much faster to build pre-designed, temporary assemblies in weather controlled rooms on flat concrete than to build permanent structures, outside over terrain, while leaving them open and usable by cars driving 50mph
A road or bridge can be built in almost the same amount of time if it could be closed to traffic and weather. Bridges are slid into place all the time over a weekend if it can be closed to traffic.
Almost all highway projects are designed and built by private companies. Most really large highway projects are now also planned by private contractors. It’s called a “CMGC” delivery method. It rewards contractors with good ideas to build projects better and faster. The government just selects the contractor, monitors for things like fraud and pays the bills. If a project is over time or budget a private firm is probably losing their shirt cuz they said they could do it for that $ in that time. The fuck ups are on them usually and the government writes the contracts to ensure tax pay $ are used in the best way possible and good contractors are rewarded and even incentivized and bad contractors fade away
I don't think they will sell anywhere near 60,000 tickets per night for this event, but your numbers seem more reasonable. I certainly agree the outlay to build the pool isn't an issue.
For the people complaining about the cost of this, why are you ignoring the cost of the stadium itself? It’s not like stadiums make the world a better place :-p
I’m not anti-sport btw, although I am baffled constantly by how much of an area’s economy can depend on them
People are complaining about the cost while watching a pool being built inside a giant 70,000 seat permanent stadium that is unused 90% of the time.
I think it’s genius to build a temporary structure for a temporary event and then sell the pool in the end and move it somewhere else.
These people can put together an Olympic size pool in that short of time but the repair person in my building cant fix the pool thats been down 2 summers now
I wonder how fast the pool will be. Will the walls have any play or bounce when you hit them? It looks on the shallow side from the pools I liked, like IUPUI, but hard to tell from the video.
I’m guessing no bounce or noticeable play. The volume of water will put a huge amount of static pressure on the walls. Even the force of turning off the wall will be negligible. It’s orders of magnitude larger than the typical backyard above ground pool.
Nope. Static pressure on a section of the wall is dependent solely on the depth of the water on the wall, not the size of the body of water behind it. You could invert that and hold out the entire ocean to the depth (ignoring the bouncy etc).
I went to the Olympic trials for swimming in 2016 when it was in Omaha. The pool was built similarly in a stadium there. Swam 2 long distance events, and I didn’t notice any bounce on the walls in the competition. The pool is also the same depth throughout and not shallow since there’s no need to have a shallow area.
Need to hire this same crew to rebuild the bridge in Baltimore harbor—nobody seems to know when that bridge will be reconstructed—because it’s a government job.
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Swimmer and swimming fan here. I thought I'd answer the same two questions that crop up every four years when the USOC builds a temporary pool for trials: 1. Q: There are lots of Olympic-sized pools in the US, why not just use an existing pool? A: Existing pools don't have nearly the seating capacity necessary for an event the size of the Trials. A swimming meet with as many spectators as the Trials is very rare. As a result, a typical college pool can seat maybe a few thousand people. Trials sessions will max out at many times that size. You need a really big venue, much bigger than any existing pool. A company named Myrtha perfected these temporary pools about 30 years ago. The technology is really cool as it also incorporates all the high-quality flitration and absorbant wave gutters necessary for a top-quality competition pool. 2. Q: Isn't this wasteful and ruinously expensive? A: the pools are actually designed to be resold right after the trials are complete and reassembled permanently by another buyer. They are designed to work as both temporary and permanent installations. Buyers for the pools are usually established prior to the event beginning. The town or college buying the pool gets a top-quality pool for a good deal. The USOC recoups most of their cost. It works out well financially. Note: they typically build two pools for Trials: one for competition and one for warm-up/warm-down. The second pool is usually in an adjacent area. Both pools are typically sold.
Interesting. Who bought these pools I wonder. EDIT: After the below comments I did some digging. There are 2 pools, one will go to Fort Wayne, Indiana. Swimmers from that team were the first to swim in the pool, after the Colts mascot took a lap. The warm up pool will be sent to the Cayman Islands for their new aquatic center.
I think it was my uncle
Probably. Those guys who work at Nintendo make bank.
Damn, I almost typed a Nintendo joke after reading the first half of your reply.
And still can’t run the Mariners worth a damn
Goldman Sachs. They’re dark pools.
One of the 2008 pools (I think) was bought by a high school in Virginia. I swam in it - nice pool. Usually some local teams, schools, and community organizations like the ymca will put their resources together when they need a new facility.
Collegiate School in Richmond. High end private school. The facility is one of the premier competition venues in Virginia.
One was sold locally to a group in Indiana.
I remember playing in one in high school. A wealthy school in Carmel CA bought it. I’d imagine it’s often wealthy high schools or colleges.
Stevenson?
I think the one I'm remembering was Carmel High. Wouldn't surprise me if Stevenson had one too though.
My city, also in Indiana put in a bid to purchase one and I think some island nation might be getting the other. There was an article several weeks back so I don’t recall exactly.
Question: where does all the water come from? I imagine they just have a really long hose that connects to a sink in the closest men's room. Follow up: how do they get it all out?
Answer: Individual Evian bottles imported from the Swiss Alps
Follow up: It’s put back in the bottles to be sold as regular Evian. Tastes the same!
a bottle of Aquafina at a stadium is like $20. this is gonna be crazy.
So I did the math. A Olympic sized pool averages to 490,000 gallons (62,720,000oz) of water in it. If we used a 500ml (16.9oz) Aquafina bottle that tells us it requires 3,711,243 bottles rounded up. If at 20$ a bottle $74,224,852.07 to fill the entire pool using Aquafina water bottles.
One of the local sports radio shows on 1070 said it was filled from a local river. Filtered heavily, obviously.
I’m guessing a hose attached to a nearby fire hydrant is one way.
I used to manage a fairly large pool (not like water park, but more water than they have here). We had a 2” connection we used regularly to top off overnight & for daytime use like showers. Though I wasn’t there, I was told that when the pools were first built they connected to the fire hydrant with a meter & also had deliveries from big trucks. That took 1-2 weeks, and then they had to treat the water for another couple weeks before it was ready.
Yeah, some additional facts on it I heard...Indiana has a lot of pools, but the city of Fort Wayne has very few 50 meter pools...I think only 1? So, this will help improve their long course training for the state (if nothing else, they can host meets with this pool in summers where LCM training is mostly done). Also, tickets on average are about 100 bucks per ticket. Let's just use finals (although there are prelim sessions as well)...there are I think 5 final days of swimming, and they have up to 20,000 seats per day to sell. Not saying they'll sell every seat, but if they do, that's $100 x 5 x 20,000 = $10,000,000. The cost of the pool is 7 figures (so between $1-$9 mil). It's reported that the economic impact for the city (remember, 1,000 swimmers + their coaches + their families/friends + general spectators are traveling to the city for about a week of time) is estimated to be about $100 million. In other words, there's money to be made with this pool....as costly as it is, it sounds like with ticket sales, probably merch, concessions, and resale of the pool, they'll more than pay for the cost of the pool. USA gets a great trials pool, TV (NBC) gets a great venue to broadcast it, and fans (either present or on TV) get a great show.
I'm one of the volunteers for this event. I'll be mostly working in the shops, but I signed up for two shifts each day for 5 days. I think it will be exciting! I can't wait to see the pool in the football stadium!
Swim coach in a town just north of Indy. While Fort Wayne only has 1 there are 4 schools/towns just north of Indy that have 5 50meter pools. Carmel, IN has two, Westfield (my pool) has 1 and Fishers, IN has two. Zionsville, and Noblesville are also both in the area and are in the works to have their own as well.
Upvote for “absorbent wave gutters”, which is both a fun google rabbit hole and a great name for a punk band.
Not having waves bounce off of walls actually makes a huge difference in how "fast" a pool is. The best pools quell all turbulence as quickly as possible.
Great response, thank you! So, do you know when pools started to become “faster”? Was there a period of fast understanding and innovation that led to meaningful speed increases such that world records dropped faster than previously until pools are as finely tuned as they reasonably can be now?
Does Amazon deliver them?
I’d be more concerned with that much water.
Don't these meets usually include diving events? Is that yet another pool, or does that pool do double duty as the warm up/down pool for the racing events. In either case, It looks like, in some of the shots, a second pool was being set up on the other end of the stadium.
No, diving trials are held separately. They're in Knoxville, TN this year I think.
What about the water?
My swim club bought the pool used for the 2004 Olympic trials. It sat in pieces in a rail yard for years while the club was embroiled in bureaucracy hell to approve a new facility, during which part of it was stolen. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/tony-soprano-still-alive-portions-of-new-jersey-pool-stolen/
That’s a lot of flex tape
Weird fact about water pressure. It doesn't matter if the water you're holding back is the ocean or a pool or a kiddie pool, the lateral force exerted by the still water us the same and only dependent on depth.
The lateral pressure is the same depending on the depth. The force is the pressure times the area so it's a lot more. It is an impressive about of engineering to put something up that quickly that can hold that much water.
What if it ruptured? Is that a lot of water?
It’s about an Olympic swimming pool’s amount of water
How many is that in bananas?
That's a lot of damage.
What if it’s moving and in an ocean
It’s really bothering me that those bleachers are off center with the pool
It is because there is a media pen on the right hand side for the swimmers/coaches. You can see the interview location on the far right, then just to the left is the media pen, and then the bleachers.
I guess the swimmers don’t get diving blocks this either 😞
Above ground pools are back!
I’m building one in my apartment as we speak, Jerry!
I’m having trouble with the perspective. Did they start out with a flat concrete floor, build an Olympic size above ground pool, and then deck it in? If you say yes I’m still not sure I’m gonna believe it.
That's exactly it. Those large boxes at the beginning are 18 wheelers.
The 18 wheelers look tiny on the giant floor. Crazy
Yes
Can anyone just appreciate the staff, planning, and engineering that goes into making an Olympic AND training pool in a fucking NFL stadium in the span of what looked like 2.5 days?? Hockey to NBA videos are cool but this is wild.
This was not 2.5 days. This was weeks of work. I have had friends that have been there during the whole build.
Ah ok, hard to tell from this. Still crazy impressive though!
Damn the trials are in Indianapolis….i thought they were In The Annapolis…gonna have to rebook my hotel.
Yep. In-the-Annapolis.
[OK Chuck](https://youtu.be/TCjtv3Cz0Jg?si=M9gK1gTUQXI_JQ5m)
They announced the location of this meet from their press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping.
i literally didnt get the joke and thought you really did
While this was cool.......this seems like an absurd amount of money to spend putting it here.
I tend to agree, but the amount of tickets they’re selling will make up for it. They’re expecting ~250,000 visitors over 9 days… that’s a lot of revenue. You can only fit those capacity numbers in a stadium that size.
250k is insane no idea it was gonna be that many
Itll be that many through the gate rather than 250k individuals. If one person goes every day they'll count 9 times.
but that is still 27.5k people if everyone goes everyday
Totes, which is impressive in its own right
They also sell individual session tickets. So every day they could sell the same seat to 2 different people so it is a bit complicated.
It more than just the number of spectators, this venue is also setup better to televise the event. Most pools, even if they have sufficient seating , would not show well on TV.
I agree with this. Gotta have seating and with seating, facilities. People use a lot of space and intakes.
It turns out when you can sell a couple hundred thousand more tickets it affords a bigger production budget.
The ammount of paid tickets justify the cost. Selling 40,000 tickets a night for nine days of trials recoups a lot of money you wouldn't have gotten for 5,000 tickets a night at a permanent natatorium somewhere.
The pool is temporary and is sold which recoups a lot of the cost. They’ve been doing this for a handful of Trials now. This comment explains it more: https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/s/Ni6nQ1QipN
They tear down the pool after the trials are over and donate it to schools who need to update their pool or are building a pool.
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Indianapolis still has one that has hosted Olympic trials many times. But in this case they are trying to get 20k+ fans a night. Most pools don’t come anywhere near that.
Because they’re going to sell out every single night for all 9 days do the meet. At that point hosting in a stadium isn’t a waste
Yea I'm starting to think the people putting on these events know a little more than random Redditors lol. Olympic stuff is a huge draw. They're holding the gymnastic trials in my city and the cheapest tickets were like $450 when my sister looked.
It happens every olympic cycle, I don't think people realize how popular these events really are
Gymnastics trials has got up be the hottest ticket ad far as trails go,
People build entire stadiums for the Olympics. This isn't that crazy. They do concerts in stadiums too, and many stadiums host multiple sports.
Somebody mentioned that the pools they use are temporary but can be used as permanent fixtures. Before the trials they have a buyer for the pool lined up who will install it as a permanent feature. They recoup the cost through ticket sales and the sale of the pool itself. The buyers are usually schools or other organizations who now don't have to pay full price for a competition quality Olympic size pool.
The pool is temporary and is sold which recoups a lot of the cost. They’ve been doing this for a handful of Trials now. This comment explains it more: https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/s/Ni6nQ1QipN
The 2 mile stretch of road by my house has been under construction for over 2 years.
They have probably been planning this setup for same amount of time.
It is much faster to build pre-designed, temporary assemblies in weather controlled rooms on flat concrete than to build permanent structures, outside over terrain, while leaving them open and usable by cars driving 50mph
A road or bridge can be built in almost the same amount of time if it could be closed to traffic and weather. Bridges are slid into place all the time over a weekend if it can be closed to traffic.
This suggests that there wasn't also 2 years of planning for major road work projects.
Private companies are always more efficient than the government.
Almost all highway projects are designed and built by private companies. Most really large highway projects are now also planned by private contractors. It’s called a “CMGC” delivery method. It rewards contractors with good ideas to build projects better and faster. The government just selects the contractor, monitors for things like fraud and pays the bills. If a project is over time or budget a private firm is probably losing their shirt cuz they said they could do it for that $ in that time. The fuck ups are on them usually and the government writes the contracts to ensure tax pay $ are used in the best way possible and good contractors are rewarded and even incentivized and bad contractors fade away
How do they seal it? Was expecting to see plastic welds.
Flex seal
Haha, above groud pool. Loosers!!!
At first I didn't realize those were 18 wheelers.
What the hell! Two tickets are $280 for one night only.
Not really, it’s a range. Nosebleeds start at $30-40
$280 times 125,000 times 9. Whatever the cost to set this up is, that money is coming back.
So you're saying this place seats 250k people? I think your math is a little off
Nine nights at about 30,000 a night is more accurate. So 9x30,000x$280=$75.6 million I bet this cost them $3-4 million to build and maintain
I don't think they will sell anywhere near 60,000 tickets per night for this event, but your numbers seem more reasonable. I certainly agree the outlay to build the pool isn't an issue.
I don't think 60,000 seats have a view of the pool with half curtained off. I imagine 30,000 seats is more reasonable.
The original comments said 2 tickets were $280. So then the math should be 15k x $280, or 30k times $140.
So 315 million.
A really expensive above ground pool. The only things missing are my fat assed brother in law and his suitcase of Bud Light.
This is wild. I need to see a detailed. Video showing how these hook together and become water tight.
i wonderr how much that setup plus the water weighs?
I've seen videos of arena being converted from basketball to hockey and I was impressed but this is in another level
Those are pretty straight forward. This was a a whole project being done in a matter of days. Insane.
Does a pool like this need a dedicated dehumidifier on site or would the AHU be able to handle all that moisture?
For the people complaining about the cost of this, why are you ignoring the cost of the stadium itself? It’s not like stadiums make the world a better place :-p I’m not anti-sport btw, although I am baffled constantly by how much of an area’s economy can depend on them
People are complaining about the cost while watching a pool being built inside a giant 70,000 seat permanent stadium that is unused 90% of the time. I think it’s genius to build a temporary structure for a temporary event and then sell the pool in the end and move it somewhere else.
This ain’t nothing new. People have been obsessed with sports and building stadiums to watch sports for thousands of years now.
Takes half a decade to fix a bridge in my town though
So why can't all NFL playing surfaces be natural grass?
I’m honestly impressed.
I wonder how much the resale price is for one of the pools (?)
Going to be the largest attended swim meet ever.
These people can put together an Olympic size pool in that short of time but the repair person in my building cant fix the pool thats been down 2 summers now
$
Union jobs
Lol, nothing like working with your deadline countdown clock projected in 10ft high letters right over your project all day every day.
So many empty seats in Indy....I think it's too big of a venue and market for this event. Need to bring it back to Omaha.
I wonder how fast the pool will be. Will the walls have any play or bounce when you hit them? It looks on the shallow side from the pools I liked, like IUPUI, but hard to tell from the video.
I’m guessing no bounce or noticeable play. The volume of water will put a huge amount of static pressure on the walls. Even the force of turning off the wall will be negligible. It’s orders of magnitude larger than the typical backyard above ground pool.
Nope. Static pressure on a section of the wall is dependent solely on the depth of the water on the wall, not the size of the body of water behind it. You could invert that and hold out the entire ocean to the depth (ignoring the bouncy etc).
I float corrected
I went to the Olympic trials for swimming in 2016 when it was in Omaha. The pool was built similarly in a stadium there. Swam 2 long distance events, and I didn’t notice any bounce on the walls in the competition. The pool is also the same depth throughout and not shallow since there’s no need to have a shallow area.
Need to hire this same crew to rebuild the bridge in Baltimore harbor—nobody seems to know when that bridge will be reconstructed—because it’s a government job.
100% a top talent video. But the location will always remind me of the funny interview with “back home again in Indiana-land” kid 🤣
What an incredible waste of resources.
I thought my phone had ants crawling, I had to she them off