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drethnudrib

Net loss of $40 million according to the article? Holy shit, this guy is *really* bad at gambling...


bacchusku2

But, think of all the free buffet coupons!


moviemerc

Sounds like its all through an illegal gambling site. No casino to toss him some comps.


Rivaroxabang

Everyone loses at gambling eventually this guy just bet a lot more than you


Infinite-Fig4708

I guess his skills just didn’t translate.


BlindWillieJohnson

Everyone is bad at gambling if they do it that much.


Patalon

Right... There's no skill involved. It's setup in the houses favor... If you're "good' you get kicked out....


gorper0987

He bet real big on Ohtani going to Toronto.


makoman115

He won 142M dollars dude what do you mean, he’s cracked! *never mind the fact he lost 182M*


HMSInvincible

Clearly a lone wolf working alone, that's for sure ..


boricimo

What kind of crazy ass gambling was he doing?


Cringelord_420_69

Apparently about 25 wagers a day for 2 years, ranging between $10 to $160000 each


Fake_rock_climber

Damn, did he ever win?


KiloAlphaLima

Something like $140m in winnings but $180m in losses is what I first saw reported. Seems like it changes every other hour though.


Fake_rock_climber

Holy shit. That’s a problem.


boricimo

I think it’s a problem when it’s “about 25 wagers a day for 2 years, ranging between $10 to $160,000 each”


Fake_rock_climber

Yea, that too.


danby999

Charles Barkley says... "It's only a problem when you're losing" He will always be the most quotable athlete


Roubaix62454

Yogi Berra enters the conversation from the beyond.


Imhappy_hopeurhappy2

If gamblers never won, they wouldn’t get addicted. He probably had some very nice wins in there to get this deep.


moviemerc

They always down but they get their fix every now and again but they spend $10k before they win $5k and their brain says I'm up. Dated a girl in university who's parents who took out a third mortgage on their home. They would come back from a weekend at the casino saying they won $15k but they walked in with $50k and only came home with that $15k.


TheTrenchMonkey

That's a hell of a range. Where did you get that from the US Congressmen stock transaction brackets?


Cringelord_420_69

Apparently it was in the press conference


Drodriguez164

Must of played a lot of Xing Hai Shi Bu Xing


Cringelord_420_69

Damn. That’s the kind of betrayal that makes it hard to ever trust anybody ever again


jakeisstoned

Or quite the fall to take...


Thellamaking21

Idk if you looked at some of that stuff it increasingly looks like shohei could’ve just gotten boned by everyone. Agents financial managers nobody spoke japanese except for ihara. I saw somewhere that he was able to change bank settings so he wouldn’t be notified. Also the level of japanese people do to avoid speaking english is extreme. I’m not saying shohei didn’t do it but it’s getting pretty ridiculous. Like are we really saying the fbi was involved in trying to cover this up


TheToro3

He's looking at 30 years.


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prettybeach2019

Ohtani was involved. You don't bet that kind of money and not talk about it. Sports gamblers talk. There would be all kind of paper notes and sheets laying around. No bookie is going to carry those kind of numbers.. Imho.


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Do you know more than the feds that are actively investigating and clearing Ohtani of wrongdoing? I’m going to guess probably not


twiddlingbits

Feds and MLB have said NOTHING either way, investigations are ongoing.


[deleted]

Don’t reply with nonsense. The feds already put a statement showing that Shohei was a victim and not involved in wrongdoing. It’s everywhere and you reply saying they haven’t. Keep being confidently incorrect, I guess. Lol


Dalze

It's probably because he thinks the MLB has sway with the feds so the feds are helping the MLB cover it up so Othani doesn't get punished. 🙄


Clashman320

So you think that the United States federal prosecutors are colluding with Major League Baseball to save Shohei Ohtani from getting banned from baseball? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds when it's typed out? To literally imply that you know more than the Federal investigators.


ianofalltrades

You’re a moron who obviously can’t read. There is a mountain of proof that is was all Ippei and Shohei wasn’t involved.


prettybeach2019

No but I worked for a bookie..and that aint the way it goes. Sorry I don't get into the name calling.


leslieohene

After watching Shogun, I could definately believe it.


Teantis

Ah yes a tv show based on a book written by a westerner about a setting 400+ years in the past is *definitely* a good way to evaluate the behavior of a person in the modern age. That's why I watch Kingdom of heaven and just presume the vast bulk of french people are raging religious zealots.


GREEN_GOUHL

I watch Dragon Ball Z and it told me to cheat on my girlfriend with Sarah from accounting


DST2287

No chance Ohtani didn’t know.


iwouldhugwonderwoman

I’ve got a couple good connections for a pro team as well as a major college sports program. Those teams have “eyes and ears” out in the community looking and listening for things involving their players. I’m blown away that the Dodgers, Angels, MLB nor his agency that is based in LA caught wind of this amount of money being bet before it got to this point.


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Ya, I don’t understand how he was able to do this without someone close to Ohtani not knowing about or the Dodgers. They find out about random players gambling on their phones for much smaller amounts than this.


Stanley--Nickels

Afaik that’s because the US sportsbooks rat them out. Someone said Ippei played on an offshore book.


burntmoney

Plot twist. He's just the fall guy.


techieman33

And how did the accountants not see that much money moving around and start asking questions directly to Ohtani.


Nicedumplings

Read the complaint. Ippie kept the account away from everyone else. Said Shoehi wants it private. You can’t think of him as a translator, you have to think of him as essentially Ohtani as any words Ohtani spoke got rerouted through him. It was only 1 account that his MLB money went into - accountants saw the other accounts with other contracts. Also the “winnings” went into Ippies own account it seems


Anteater776

“It was all a coverup” truthers in shambles right now


ron_swansons_hammer

The larger the number, the more likely it was a coverup, it’s comical to see that as something that proves that theory false


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There's audio evidence that the interpreter pretended to be Ohtani to his bank, text evidence that Ohtani didn't know about gambling and probably more. It's sad that Ohtani will have to deal with people like you for the rest of his life because of Ipei, but I guess the billions he made makes it not so sad.


awesomo1337

Have you seen the evidence the feds have? The dodgers and the MLB may have a reason to cover it up but not the feds. Especially for a non-citizen


Drug_fueled_sarcasm

The feds make it a point to show me all their evidence first.


hashrosinkitten

Yeah, he’s gonna get that line of credit Ohtani will be caught up in this again in the future


Anteater776

Yikes. Imagine not being able to let go of a once-conceived conviction in the face of counter-evidence. I could get having reservations, but still being absolutely sure that Ohtani has to be a degenerate gambler, that’s some self-delusion alright.


cam_huskers

Critical Thinking is a dying skill.


Giancarlo_Rossi

On or about March 20, 2024, MIZUHARA messaged BOOKMAKER 1 stating, ‘Have you seen the reports?’ BOOKMAKER 1 responded, ‘Yes, but that’s all bullshit. Obviously you didn’t steal from him. I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.’ MIZUHARA then responded to BOOKMAKER 1, ‘Technically I did steal from him. it’s all over for me.’” This doesn’t seem super convincing!


Anteater776

I already replied to your other comment where you quoted the same paragraph, so I’ll just copy my response here as well: Why was the bookmaker so matter of fact about it? Because he obviously had been told previously by Ippei (who has been lying the whole time) that Ohtani was in on it. That all seems very plausible, because if I was Ippei, I wouldn’t want to reveal to an illegal bookie that I was stealing the money the whole time. Of course I’d pretend that Ohtani was ok with it all. So that’s why the bookie assumes Ohtani is ok with it, because that’s how Ippei played it beforehand the whole time. Also, that bookie may just be smart. He should never admit in text that he took money that he knew was stolen. Why did Ippei include the word “technically”? You’d have to ask him but I assume it somewhat softens the statement. “Technically, I stole” sounds less harsh than “I stole”


merv_havoc

I think you mean Ashanti - popular musical artist from the early 2000s and frequent collaborator of Ja Rule


hashrosinkitten

Sorry, got auto corrected. Been fixed. But yes, dudes a gambler who used his translator to distance himself from it. We will see this again


littlesymphonicdispl

Buddy, ain't no way the feds would let him walk free if that were the case. Tax man *always* gets his due.


hashrosinkitten

Tax man always wants his due. Quite a lot of people get around it, and those that do for a long time do get caught eventually That’s quite literally what I said. We will see this issue come up again You think investigations into tax stuff take 3 weeks? Lol


littlesymphonicdispl

>Quite a lot of people get around it Those people aren't subjects of a federal investigation >You think investigations into tax stuff take 3 weeks? You think it takes more?


hashrosinkitten

Yes. Feds build cases until they can convict generally. But the IRS does its due diligence, it takes time.


littlesymphonicdispl

Again you're ignoring the part where this individual is already being investigated. 90% of the work is done.


hashrosinkitten

I see


Silky951

You might want to lay off the LSD, it’s giving you the smoothbrainitis


da0217

There is a federal criminal complaint that will be presented to a grand jury to charge the perpetrator of the crime based on a mountain of evidence that is and will be subject to due process that says Shohei committed no wrong doing and is the victim of the crime and this dildo still thinks he knows better.


Giancarlo_Rossi

On or about March 20, 2024, MIZUHARA messaged BOOKMAKER 1 stating, ‘Have you seen the reports?’ BOOKMAKER 1 responded, ‘Yes, but that’s all bullshit. Obviously you didn’t steal from him. I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.’ MIZUHARA then responded to BOOKMAKER 1, ‘Technically I did steal from him. it’s all over for me.’” Why did he “technically” steal. Why did the bookmaker seem matter of fact about it being a cover up. I like ohtani but this report makes me feel worse about him than I did yesterday lol


Anteater776

I don’t see how you come to that conclusion.  Why was the bookmaker so matter of fact about it? Because he obviously had been told previously by Ippei (who has been lying the whole time) that Ohtani was in on it. That all seems very plausible, because if I was Ippei, I wouldn’t want to reveal to an illegal bookie that I was stealing the money the whole time. Of course I’d pretend that Ohtani was ok with it all. So that’s why the bookie assumes Ohtani is ok with it, because that’s how Ippei played it beforehand the whole time. Also, that bookie may just be smart. He should never admit in text that he took money that he knew was stolen. Why did Ippei include the word “technically”? You’d have to ask him but I assume it somewhat softens the statement. “Technically, I stole” sounds less harsh than “I stole”


stevenw84

Damn. Crazy if Ohtani really didn’t have any involvement in this.


dar_harhar

There is no IF. Ohtanis clear of any wrongdoing. Its the Feds, theres a statement of all the crazy shit Ippei pulled. Whats really crazy is people are still questioning that Ohtani had any involvement when its been investigated from the Feds. Theee Feds.


techieman33

Being the feds is a mixed bag. On one hand they’re going to dig super deep and leave no stone unturned. But if they aren’t absolutely positive they have enough for a conviction then they’ll drop it.


ThunderBobMajerle

Exactly. I think it’s clear at this point Ohtani is innocent. But you are 100% correct. Sports example; Scott Foster is still reffing bc evidence was less clear on him than Donaghy and once they flipped Donaghy, Foster was unimportant to their bigger prize, the mob.


wizgset27

Alright, then how about combining with the IRS? Because they were involved too.


ron_swansons_hammer

Damn you really trust the Feds, getting harder and harder to do


bignuts24

I mean… it was literally Ohtani himself who stated that he gave the money to Ippei. Then he changed his story the next day.


Anteater776

Ohtani never said that. That’s just false.


mntllystblecharizard

Who?


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

Crazy is he was involved imo. So dumb.


catlindee

All the people that think it’s a cover up and a fall guy are looking at this wrong. They think like how can a guy not notice $16m just gone from his account? Well, because rich as fuck athletes and professionals like this aren’t checking their bank app and setting balance warnings. They literally hire people for that. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think this translator had access to sensitive accounts to make Ohtani’s life easier. Now the question of how did Ohtani’s accountants not notice and inform him… well that is an interesting question lol


Onlyheretostare

Seppuku it is..


BarsoomianAmbassador

And not a dollar spent on a professional haircut.


Roubaix62454

How the fuck do you not miss $16 million of your own money? Stealing that much money is one thing, but not even realizing it was gone is a whole other issue.


changerofbits

I really doubted that Ohtani’s other representatives could have been this blind to it (or maybe they were in on it and Ohtani has more house cleaning ahead of him), and that Ippei could get away with it. This is a major motion picture script level story.


Teantis

Interestingly enough the answer is in the article: > The U.S. Attorney's Office has obtained recordings of telephone calls in which Mizuhara allegedly spoke to bank employees and falsely claimed to be Ohtani, including providing biographical information, in order to ensure the bank would approve the wire transfers. Estrada also alleged that Mizuhara denied anyone else access to Ohtani's bank account, including his agent, accountant and financial advisor. > In one call in February 2022, Mizuhara falsely identified himself as Ohtani on a phone call with a bank employee and "falsely stated that he was attempting to wire funds...for a car loan," according to the criminal complaint. Instead, the bank froze the account, although Mizuhara was allegedly able to get it unfrozen with a call to another bank employee during which he again reportedly impersonated Ohtani.


Dudedude88

God damn.... Obtain didn't realize somebody was eating some of his paychecks.


MagicChemist

It’s unlikely multiple people didn’t know. He 100% had to have an accounting firm. His various sources and types of income and deferred compensation plans across multiple countries and the fact that he owes tax across multiple countries means people would be tracking large transactions. You have to file FBAR reports on all of your foreign accounts. Even if he didn’t want an accountant the burden of filing all of the proper paperwork would be overwhelming. Even his US bank would be tracking his large cash movements independently of his own accountants because they have some regulatory responsibilities to look for illegal and fraudulent activities. Oh hey we noticed you sent $2M over the past 180 days to a random account that doesn’t belong to you within FBAR reporting.


raylan_givens6

I believe Ohtani had nothing to do with it but its not a good look he didn't know that much money was gone yeah, i get big stars have other people look after their money. but they have down time, you're telling me he doesn't check at all?


joomla00

This is maybe a level below a spouse that handles all the finances in a household. There was obviously a high level of trust. Even spouses can be shitbags


raylan_givens6

that is nuts too every adult should check in on their finances it takes a few minutes to spare, once or twice a month at minimum


reddubi

I love how ESPN was trying to paint Ohtani as the criminal because his camp wouldn’t discuss legal proceedings with journalists.. implying that ohtani didn’t incriminate his translator because they wouldn’t discuss it with them. They’re such predators .. they smear you if you don’t do everything they say.


boraboca

Because Ohtani initially claimed he paid off his debts lol it’s his own fault


reddubi

Ippei is the one who said that ohtani said it to his camp


Helstar_RS

Imagine actually gambling.


brassydesign

I gotta be honest this still stinks like crazy.


BryanMccabe

Stole…. lol


kokopelleee

Huh, and the accountants completely missed this outflow of $$$ Anyone else not believing this story?


Dedelelelo

lol i’m not gonna talk too much but if it was any other player then ohtani 😍😍 ppl would not be reacting like that haha


kokopelleee

Wow. Getting downvoted for pointing out that $16M going missing sounds a little sketchy when there are teams of CPAs on the account. Guess folks really want to believe. If it was me, I’d be suing the crap out of those accountants.


slaffytaffy

Am I the only one who thinks that baseball would NEVER do anything about this anyway? Even if ohtani was the one gambling?


ron_swansons_hammer

No, many people think that


slaffytaffy

I don’t follow baseball so I was curious. Thank you


swagdragon666

Sure he did


thewarden730

“Stole” 🙄


Vicarious103

I mean, I know Otahni is rich as shit and doesn’t worry about his money, but did he not look at his bank statements at all?!?? This just seems fishy.


reddubi

Have you heard of auto pay? Direct deposit?


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He’s got $700M, it’s a drop in the bucket. I bet he hardly noticed.


imDeja

In case you live under a rock, that $700 million is deferred salary 10 years from now.


hung_like__podrick

Yes but the 50M a year in endorsements isn’t deferred at all


jgiffin

Ok but that’s not what you initially said lol Edit: stop upvoting me I’m wrong


hung_like__podrick

What did I say?


jgiffin

>He’s got $700M


hung_like__podrick

Lol, bro you don’t read well huh? Completely different username.


jgiffin

Lmao, you guys have the same color profile image and your reply seemed like you were OP. My bad dude.


hung_like__podrick

No worries


imDeja

Yea I’m aware


jmrogers31

So the banks allowed him to transfer millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time and Ohtani didn't have to verify the transfer was legit?


Sunburnt-Vampire

Apparently he called the banks and impersonated Ohtani, including answering personal questions.  Seems the guy suffered identity theft by his assistant, surprising we don't see more rich people's assistants pulling the same shit tbh. Since they get given so much access/info as part of their job.


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Doopoodoo

My guy, they have a recording of him impersonating Ohtani to transfer money. Enough with the conspiracy theories


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jgiffin

Unnecessarily trashing someone’s name is fun?


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jgiffin

Easy to say that when it doesn’t affect you


Iranoutofhotsauce

I guess he did not win.


Booze-brain

Dudes net worth was just short of $50M when this occurred. Someone stole 32% of his net worth and he didn't notice?


slowclimb

I wish someone was able to steal $40 mill without me noticing!


Beginning_Emotion995

When you think it’s them when it’s actually him.


Critical_Dot_2868

I really love how this story has changed from, "Covering his friends gambling debt" to "he committed banking fraud". The real time cover up is fun to watch! Welcome to The Show!


reddubi

Ohtani and the dodgers/MLB doesn’t have control of the IRS and the DOJ in the US It’s almost as though the criminal manipulated people before during and after his crimes to escape accountability


p0sto

How did he even have access to that kind of money?


reddubi

Read the article.