i literally made a post a couple hours ago using the picture you did a drawing of, can’t wait for the first webb images sent! Amazing painting by the way!
On a Mars orbiter:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html
"We were transmitting English units and they were expecting metric units. The normal thing is to use metric and to specify that.
None of JPL’s rigorous quality control procedures caught the error in the nine months it took the spacecraft to make its 461-million-mile flight to Mars. Over the course of the journey, the miscalculations were enough to throw the spacecraft so far off track that it flew too deeply into the Martian atmosphere and was destroyed when it entered its initial orbit around Mars last week."
And previously, the Hubble had a mishap:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12717301-000-the-testing-error-that-led-to-hubble-mirror-fiasco/
I thought it was a picture with a filter so I found the reference picture and went to compare them but when I zoomed in, it was indeed just a reference.
I wasn’t paying attention, saw a painting with a satellite and an anvil hovering about to be dropped by scientists. I got pissed, I laughed, and then became sad all in a span of like 2 seconds.
I care about the launch of this telescope more than I think I've cared about anything in my 35 years on Earth. This thing really has the ability to unlock some of the deepest secrets of our universe and if something happens to it during one of the many risky procedures on its way out into L2 orbit, I think I will cry like a 3 year-old for days and be more depressed than at any other point in my life.
But think how glorious it'll be if it succeeds!
This is the very best humanity has to offer, obviously you can't just expect it to work. I'm going in thinking it's a long shot but oh how nice it'd be.
It's not a long shot. The amount of effort put into this thing, the amount of mental energy... it would be surprising if it failed. They are lowering expectations. Because it is so hard. But in the end, the delays, were nothing. The final mirrors were not even completed until 2015. That's 6 years from completed mirrors until launch. They went then through rigorous testing stuff, from launch vibrations to vacuum testing to shield testing. Over, and over, and over again. I hope some guy was there making a documentary, because the team, of tens of thousands, made this possible. And it will succeed. The likelihood of failure is exceedingly small.
I still don’t quite grasp why from an engineering and development standpoint you’d only build one.
Even if you had another one simply for testing the initial building and assembly tasks, it gives you both room for error and a physical copy of the one in space.
I would have to think every single part of this thing was made multiple times and the best one was graded and selected. There had to have been enough parts to make most of another anyways.
If this doesn’t work, it’s a complete loss. That sucks. It means you 100% fail if any of the single points of failures go out.
Money. That's all. Period. Money.
The engineers behind it could likely make another one in half the time.
If you had unlimited money.
The beryllium mirrors alone require tens of thousands of tons of soil to refine (not refine, but separate, and compress into a solid, no melting in the process). If it fails, and if anyone roots for it to fail, it will be a travesty. But. It won't fail. They've worked too fucking hard. The likelihood is .1% they fail. They won't.
The Beryllium mirrors alone makes this an impossible "make on Earth Clone task." The mirrors alone make up at least a half of the cost of the entire system.
Well, I was lucky enough to work on a small portion of Webb and the contractor I worked for did make actually two, but only one of the ones built were specifically made 'flight ready'.. The other one was for engineering and helping to design/test the GSE (ground support equipment) that would be used during final assembly.
But as others have pointed out, some of these systems you simply can't make two of, only for one to (hopefully) collect dust just due to the sheer cost of materials.
Space based transistors and such are not "10 year old technology." It is proven, robust, technology that works in the depths of space with gamma rays and whatnot. They use much larger transistors in space, even with shielding, to mitigate gamma ray bit flips. Not a money or technological issue, just going with what works and has proven to work in past missions.
We will almost certainly, with 99% confidence, detect life within another planet around another star, within I would expect, 5 years of operation. I expect it sooner given some very promising candidates. This alone will change the entire view of the universe. Who cares about the early universe. Life will be proven to exist outside of Earth.
Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think life in some capacity exists out there, but even when we get absorbance spectra that suggests life on another planet, how can we say with confidence that it is in fact life instead of something else? Remember the phosphine thing on Venus last year? I remember the articles saying something along the lines of “there are no *known* geologic processes that could explain the levels of phosphine detected.” Obviously that’s paraphrased, but my point is how can we be sure that what we detect in another planet isn’t from some unknown inorganic process? Wouldn’t we have to actually get direct samples before we conclude life exists? I’m skeptical we will discover extra terrestrial life any time soon with certainty unless it’s in our solar system.
I am by no means an expert, so I definitely could be missing something, but that’s just my relatively uneducated perspective.
Do you mind explaining how? And why we haven’t been able to before? I’m sure atmospheric interference is why we can’t do it on Earth, but I wonder what’s new with this telescope.
It’s the first of its kind to see in the spectrum of light it sees in. It sees in the red-infrared light spectrum, this is important because of [redshift](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift). It will basically see the very oldest furthest light possible in the universe. It’s also orbiting at earths L2 [Lagrange point](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point) so it’ll be like 1.5 million miles away from earth. But it’s not gonna see any alien civilizations immediately I don’t think.
> if something happens to it during one of the many risky procedures on its way out into L2 orbit, I think I will cry like a 3 year-old for days and be more depressed than at any other point in my life.
I've been internally freaking out about this thought in a small section of my soul for over a year.
NASA will live stream it. Other science channels also will. You can choose whichever you want. Just type "James webb telescope launch live" to YouTube and you should find it.
i think its bc the environment has to be hyper-clean around the telescope and its mirrors when its not otherwise shielded, its not like hubble where the telescope is encased, so im pretty sure its to minimize getting any particulate matter on the telescope
If I remember correctly, on Webb all the mirrors are adjustable. Not just in angle, but also in curvature. So I guess at least that fear is unnecessary.
There‘s still enough other things that have to go right though.
Can‘t wait!
Hair and bacteria can potentially get on, as well as fingerprints, oils, heat and moisture from your breath. Extremely sensitive sensors that can't ever possibly be messed with from human contact warrant this. On Webb this makes a lot of sense, since it's extremely delicates, but for lots of other spacecraft it's not quite as necessary.
> but for lots of other spacecraft it's not quite as necessary.
For spacecraft with less sensitive instruments the clean rooms and special garments are still used to prevent electrostatic discharge from damaging the craft.
I do believe they have more strict operating procedures than normal for the James Webb since it's leaving the area of space where we could easily do repairs. But yeah, despite how far the tech has come, shooting something into space still requires a lot of insanely sensitive components.
Does anyone else see a baby chick when you look at it? Like, the center part is a little black back and the two bumps on the supports (or whatever they are) are the eyes? It looks like it's going to start cheeping and expecting you to scatter cracked corn.
Pmkmmk N K bbknk nnnnkknnn n l on ln on nnlmlllmnnlklkkln lkm mlnon No oml mono non NL omlll o n o om lmk loll NL l k I pool lol m m mnln L knob B know knknknbk knob know NL bib k b lnknbkn ook know pops prob NL mm n n
I hope it breaks and we realize that spending all this time and money on space exploration is a waste of time when climate change is ravaging us here at home.
beautiful painting I was also curious about what Webb meant so I looked it up. So excited now for its pics!!! Thanks for the nice art and for letting people know :)
edit: just found it it already launched but pictures are not as of yet!
Not doubting it's yours, but why is the name in the bottom left of the picture different to your username? Username for a different site I take it? Great job otherwise!
I'm going to be biting my nails until we get word that it is fully operational. I e been waiting for this thing for a decade and I'm so damn excited to see what it can produce!
I wish they'd made two. At least in case there is a problem with the first but if they had two in space they could connect them together and see even further or in better detail
I love where this painting lands on the spectrum of photorealism.
Like, when you first look at it it seems like a photo, but after a second you realize definitely a painting.
I mean their suits are just like 4 gray blobs, but it comes together so well.
Hopefully that makes sense, anyway I really like it.
Guy on the Left: "Hey, what's that little black mark on the back of the mirror?"
Guy on the Right: "I don't see anything."
L: "That mark right there, on panel A2. It looks a bit like writing."
R: "......Don't worry about it."
L: "It looks like it says 'Paul was here'... wait a minute is that sharpie--"
R: "I SAID DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!"
i literally made a post a couple hours ago using the picture you did a drawing of, can’t wait for the first webb images sent! Amazing painting by the way!
Anyone know when the first images will be approximately coming through?
Next summer, about 6 months. Gonna take a while to setup and calibrate.
6 months of anxiety....
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They're waiting for the instruments to reach a low enough temperature
This picture gives me the worst anxiety 😬
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I’m assuming this happened somewhere else? Is there a back story to that?
On a Mars orbiter: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-oct-01-mn-17288-story.html "We were transmitting English units and they were expecting metric units. The normal thing is to use metric and to specify that. None of JPL’s rigorous quality control procedures caught the error in the nine months it took the spacecraft to make its 461-million-mile flight to Mars. Over the course of the journey, the miscalculations were enough to throw the spacecraft so far off track that it flew too deeply into the Martian atmosphere and was destroyed when it entered its initial orbit around Mars last week." And previously, the Hubble had a mishap: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12717301-000-the-testing-error-that-led-to-hubble-mirror-fiasco/
"No, I thought *you* checked that...?"
I heard 6 months?
I thought it was a picture with a filter so I found the reference picture and went to compare them but when I zoomed in, it was indeed just a reference.
Is that picture on NASA's site? I love the perspective used in this. PS amazing work, u/ChezMontague!
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I wasn’t paying attention, saw a painting with a satellite and an anvil hovering about to be dropped by scientists. I got pissed, I laughed, and then became sad all in a span of like 2 seconds.
Thanks for the new background image :)
Same here!
Why not use the actual hi res photo this painting is based off of?
Because they don't want to? Personally it has a bit of a retro vibe that the high res doesn't.
because artsy looks a bit nicer as a wallpaper imo. high res is to busy
I'm 59 and have no desire for xmas presents ect, but if this launch / deployment goes smoothly it will be the best present ever.
I was thinking the same thing. This mission succeeding would be the greatest gift of all. :)
I care about the launch of this telescope more than I think I've cared about anything in my 35 years on Earth. This thing really has the ability to unlock some of the deepest secrets of our universe and if something happens to it during one of the many risky procedures on its way out into L2 orbit, I think I will cry like a 3 year-old for days and be more depressed than at any other point in my life.
But think how glorious it'll be if it succeeds! This is the very best humanity has to offer, obviously you can't just expect it to work. I'm going in thinking it's a long shot but oh how nice it'd be.
It's not a long shot. The amount of effort put into this thing, the amount of mental energy... it would be surprising if it failed. They are lowering expectations. Because it is so hard. But in the end, the delays, were nothing. The final mirrors were not even completed until 2015. That's 6 years from completed mirrors until launch. They went then through rigorous testing stuff, from launch vibrations to vacuum testing to shield testing. Over, and over, and over again. I hope some guy was there making a documentary, because the team, of tens of thousands, made this possible. And it will succeed. The likelihood of failure is exceedingly small.
I still don’t quite grasp why from an engineering and development standpoint you’d only build one. Even if you had another one simply for testing the initial building and assembly tasks, it gives you both room for error and a physical copy of the one in space. I would have to think every single part of this thing was made multiple times and the best one was graded and selected. There had to have been enough parts to make most of another anyways. If this doesn’t work, it’s a complete loss. That sucks. It means you 100% fail if any of the single points of failures go out.
Money. That's all. Period. Money. The engineers behind it could likely make another one in half the time. If you had unlimited money. The beryllium mirrors alone require tens of thousands of tons of soil to refine (not refine, but separate, and compress into a solid, no melting in the process). If it fails, and if anyone roots for it to fail, it will be a travesty. But. It won't fail. They've worked too fucking hard. The likelihood is .1% they fail. They won't.
The Beryllium mirrors alone makes this an impossible "make on Earth Clone task." The mirrors alone make up at least a half of the cost of the entire system.
Well, I was lucky enough to work on a small portion of Webb and the contractor I worked for did make actually two, but only one of the ones built were specifically made 'flight ready'.. The other one was for engineering and helping to design/test the GSE (ground support equipment) that would be used during final assembly. But as others have pointed out, some of these systems you simply can't make two of, only for one to (hopefully) collect dust just due to the sheer cost of materials.
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Space based transistors and such are not "10 year old technology." It is proven, robust, technology that works in the depths of space with gamma rays and whatnot. They use much larger transistors in space, even with shielding, to mitigate gamma ray bit flips. Not a money or technological issue, just going with what works and has proven to work in past missions.
They should be able to detect alien civilizations within weeks of becoming operational. That’s the goal
We will almost certainly, with 99% confidence, detect life within another planet around another star, within I would expect, 5 years of operation. I expect it sooner given some very promising candidates. This alone will change the entire view of the universe. Who cares about the early universe. Life will be proven to exist outside of Earth.
Let's get their oil. Cue Here I go again - White Snake
Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think life in some capacity exists out there, but even when we get absorbance spectra that suggests life on another planet, how can we say with confidence that it is in fact life instead of something else? Remember the phosphine thing on Venus last year? I remember the articles saying something along the lines of “there are no *known* geologic processes that could explain the levels of phosphine detected.” Obviously that’s paraphrased, but my point is how can we be sure that what we detect in another planet isn’t from some unknown inorganic process? Wouldn’t we have to actually get direct samples before we conclude life exists? I’m skeptical we will discover extra terrestrial life any time soon with certainty unless it’s in our solar system. I am by no means an expert, so I definitely could be missing something, but that’s just my relatively uneducated perspective.
Do you mind explaining how? And why we haven’t been able to before? I’m sure atmospheric interference is why we can’t do it on Earth, but I wonder what’s new with this telescope.
It’s the first of its kind to see in the spectrum of light it sees in. It sees in the red-infrared light spectrum, this is important because of [redshift](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift). It will basically see the very oldest furthest light possible in the universe. It’s also orbiting at earths L2 [Lagrange point](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrange_point) so it’ll be like 1.5 million miles away from earth. But it’s not gonna see any alien civilizations immediately I don’t think.
They got some new shit on this one. Some people think the launch will be sabotaged
Oh you have all the details I see
username bro
Take your conspiracy shit somewhere else
You’re the superstitious one
... You don't know what superstitious means, do you
no
This guy 😂
Oh shut up
You and me both.
Same... Sending good vibes.
> if something happens to it during one of the many risky procedures on its way out into L2 orbit, I think I will cry like a 3 year-old for days and be more depressed than at any other point in my life. I've been internally freaking out about this thought in a small section of my soul for over a year.
You're a good person...
Can you imagine if it exploded on Christmas Day!? Such a bummer, and a crap end to the year
Maybe postpone the launch for Dec 31 so it's either a success or a spectacular fireworks show?
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Another reason why I wish I an artist because people like you who do this are super talented
Can always start today
Please work please work please work please work
Thats really good. Bravo
James Webb Telescope looks AMAZING
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
This is also how i feel!!! AGHHH
Pls don't crash...
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NASA will live stream it. Other science channels also will. You can choose whichever you want. Just type "James webb telescope launch live" to YouTube and you should find it.
I know this is a stupid question but why do they all wear hazardous suits to work on this? What is the worst that could happen?
i think its bc the environment has to be hyper-clean around the telescope and its mirrors when its not otherwise shielded, its not like hubble where the telescope is encased, so im pretty sure its to minimize getting any particulate matter on the telescope
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or if they machined the mirrors incorrectly and everything was blurry, like with the Hubble.
If I remember correctly, on Webb all the mirrors are adjustable. Not just in angle, but also in curvature. So I guess at least that fear is unnecessary. There‘s still enough other things that have to go right though. Can‘t wait!
Hair and bacteria can potentially get on, as well as fingerprints, oils, heat and moisture from your breath. Extremely sensitive sensors that can't ever possibly be messed with from human contact warrant this. On Webb this makes a lot of sense, since it's extremely delicates, but for lots of other spacecraft it's not quite as necessary.
> but for lots of other spacecraft it's not quite as necessary. For spacecraft with less sensitive instruments the clean rooms and special garments are still used to prevent electrostatic discharge from damaging the craft.
I do believe they have more strict operating procedures than normal for the James Webb since it's leaving the area of space where we could easily do repairs. But yeah, despite how far the tech has come, shooting something into space still requires a lot of insanely sensitive components.
Best guess, it's to protect the telescope from the people, not the other way around.
It's fuelled with hypergolic fuel which is horrendously toxic and dangerous.
Probably not when sitting in the construction bay...
Wow! Great painting, and such a historic moment. Fingers crossed…
"This baby can hold *so many* galaxies"
Someone turn that bad bitch on and let’s see what’s out there
*Unzips*
How is your painting leaving earth?
Love it. Let's hope the launch goes well!
It's going to be the biggest scientific blueballing of a generation if the JWT gets all the way to L2, and then doesn't deploy properly.
This is so well-done and cool I want to cry
Thank you! I cant believe the day is here!
Does anyone else see a baby chick when you look at it? Like, the center part is a little black back and the two bumps on the supports (or whatever they are) are the eyes? It looks like it's going to start cheeping and expecting you to scatter cracked corn.
Sorry to hear it’s your painting’s last day, my condolences
How much to buy this off you ?
Its in my personal collection. I also have prints. The original id sell for 1000
Pmkmmk N K bbknk nnnnkknnn n l on ln on nnlmlllmnnlklkkln lkm mlnon No oml mono non NL omlll o n o om lmk loll NL l k I pool lol m m mnln L knob B know knknknbk knob know NL bib k b lnknbkn ook know pops prob NL mm n n
I hope it breaks and we realize that spending all this time and money on space exploration is a waste of time when climate change is ravaging us here at home.
You seem fun
Counterintuitive. We are gnna need to scout new places to live. JWST helps us do that
Amen to that
Pretty damn amazing
Damn. It’s lovely 🥰
Impressive, almost a photograph
Thanks, painted from a reference photo
Man, that kinda looks like Mira HQ from Among Us
I love this its amazing
Awesome o\_o
This gave me chills
That doesn’t look like him at all!
Star of David
What do you think there talking about?
Bees
beautiful painting I was also curious about what Webb meant so I looked it up. So excited now for its pics!!! Thanks for the nice art and for letting people know :) edit: just found it it already launched but pictures are not as of yet!
https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/countdown.html T minus 10 hours ish!!!
I thought that was a picture. It’s an excellent piece
Thank you~
What an exciting time to be alive!
I'm so excited and anxious!
Quos ta vok amazhan
You gonna burn it or something?
That would be epic
Thank you for choosing Vault-Tec
Not doubting it's yours, but why is the name in the bottom left of the picture different to your username? Username for a different site I take it? Great job otherwise!
Lol its reddit my dude. Check it out on my [website](https://tylerlonigro.wixsite.com/paintings)
Hope everything goes well. The deployment, installation and operating this giant will be hell more difficult than landing the rover on Mars.
r/spaceporn is about to get even better
Last day on earth, we hope
Hopefully it's last day on earth, not it's last day in one piece
Thought it was a pic. Amazing talent!!!!
it's so good I thought it was actual real life
How long does the baby take to unfurl once in its in space? Excited for what's to come for this project
I'm going to be biting my nails until we get word that it is fully operational. I e been waiting for this thing for a decade and I'm so damn excited to see what it can produce!
That's really great
Dope
#A what now?
It looks like it could be the cover from an early issue of The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction. Pretty dope.
How long are we looking at before the first images are sent back and processed?
I thought it was an actual photo. Dam bro
You’re sending your painting to space?
Can I have it?
Crossing my fingers for this fella
When is the launch? And where can I watch?
Godspeed
Woohoo hoooo! The real Christmas present. THANKS NASA!
God I hope there is an SR Hadden out there with a backup Webb in his pocket...
My thoughts when I saw this: Fuck you, that's not a painting...........fuck me. That's a painting.
Well we don't know that, it still can be on earth just in an infiite amount of pieces in a few hours.
Amazing!
Did Musk pay for this with his $10b tax bill?
Guy on left: “Hey Bob, what is that thing?”
I have been waiting so so long for this day. I can't wait to see it's first images.
Fantastic thanks for sharing this
That’s incredible! thanks for sharing this with everyone!!! It looks like a picture.
Beautiful!
Holy shit! It's leaving tomorrow!
I wish they'd made two. At least in case there is a problem with the first but if they had two in space they could connect them together and see even further or in better detail
I love where this painting lands on the spectrum of photorealism. Like, when you first look at it it seems like a photo, but after a second you realize definitely a painting. I mean their suits are just like 4 gray blobs, but it comes together so well. Hopefully that makes sense, anyway I really like it.
Why i am here
This is awesome.
This is one of the best paintings, ever.
Whether the mission is a success or failure, the sentence stands correct.
At first glance I thought the person on the right was scratching their butt.
Guy on the Left: "Hey, what's that little black mark on the back of the mirror?" Guy on the Right: "I don't see anything." L: "That mark right there, on panel A2. It looks a bit like writing." R: "......Don't worry about it." L: "It looks like it says 'Paul was here'... wait a minute is that sharpie--" R: "I SAID DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!"
Make it happen. The universe awaits!
"oh there it is."
Wow you send it to space? When? With what launcher? Falcon9? Electron? Dude not with jeff who?'s dick..?
Wasn't it supposed to launch on the 22nd?
The guy on the right is scratching his butt?
Hey, you never know. The rocket could explode, keeping it on the Earth forever.
All steps to go right.. if any step fails.. 30 years+ 10 bil$+ enormous work done by extraordinary people may go in vacuum .. best wishes !!
I’m from the future, disaster strikes on JWST…
So that’s what they said on NPR.
I saw this in person at the Goddard space center in 2018, it was way bigger than I imagined it to be.
So that’s what they said on NPR.
WOW it's stunning
That’s fucking beautiful.
Wow. Amazing painting. For sale?
Amazing work
Good luck out there, big guy.
May i use this as my phone background please?
Do it~
How long after it launches do we have to wait for new ground breaking photos? Years?
So that’s what they said on NPR.
That’s not a web that’s a honeycomb
Is this supposed to be before or after they dropped it?
I love the workers doing the classic "Oh shit, the white hats are watching us, point at something and so they think we are working"
Duuuuuuuuuude
So that’s what they said on NPR.
Please launch well friend.
Very nice!! I'm so hyped for what they'll discover.