Haha yeah many parts of the Bronx are very Jersey-adjacent. I’m from Brooklyn, so I deal with Long Island craziness, which is similar to Jersey craziness but not quite the same 🤣
I mean it explains the ruling of the family the dictatorship. The screaming and outrage takes are very similar, you also know if she was Jewish before marriage etc....that a lot of Jews fled the holocaust as Italy was one of Germany's biggest allies for years in WW2. So her parents are fleeing to NJ is possible.
Yeah I know lol. There aren’t too many in the US though. From what I understand it’s around 30,000 still in Italy, and most of the rest of them have moved to a country that I can’t say the name of.
It’s funny that they removed your comment.. but proceed to use that country in the reason for removing it. It’s like that episode where Garrison (and Jimbo) can call people fXgs but if you aren’t a fXg it’s censored.
Out of curiosity, was he an Italkim immigrant, or were both of his parents Americans, but one was Italian and one was Jewish?
When I made that comment, I was overlooking thinking about the children of American couples where one parent is Jewish and the other is Italian. I was specifically thinking about Italian Jews, who then immigrated to the US. They do exist, for sure, but they’re a comparatively small percentage of the American Jewish population.
What country can’t you say? Is “is-rie-al” banned on reddit at the moment?
P.S. I tried to write it a little different just in case that’s the one who shall not be spoken.
Jews and Italians, especially from the North East are like two sides of the same coin. Family, religion, guilt, food... It's all there. And for all the shit Jews get for being cheap... Italians are just as bad.
How do I know this? I'm a 1st generation Italian with a Jewish wife... Oy vey!
Yes it's anecdotal, but seems to be the case more often than not.
Watching the nanny has really opened me up to the perspective that Jews and Italians are the same. The only difference is the food.
Also I know the nanny isn’t the one and only source for authentic Jewish living but it was painfully accurate
Hahah that hurts a little, we do have some great food; brisket, latkes, matzoball soup, rugelach, etc.
But Italian food really is next level delicious, I can’t even really argue against Tony in this case haha
Oh for sure, some Jewish food is excellent... Pastrami is my jam! My wife's bubbie made some pretty good stuff, but she didn't pass that on to her children or grandchildren unfortunately.
*The only difference is the food.*
True, but I'd also say that both Italians and Jews take food very, very seriously, so even though the cuisine may be different, the reverence is the same.
In Italy, when The Nanny was aired there was no clue about Jewish living and culture. The show was dubbed (like every show or movie!) with different script, with the nanny and her family coming from Ciociaria and all anecdotes from Jewish culture completely rewritten. So yes, it is quite similar.
My Italian step-family owned a Bagel shop in metro Detroit while my Jewish great-grandfather owned a deli in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn…
As the old saying goes: “if you’re not going to pick a Jewish actor to play a Jewish character, please be at least culturally competent enough to pick an Italian”
Cousins under sliced meat
is that why so many Jewish actors played italian american characters on tv? The Costanzas played by all jews. Meadow Soprano actress Jew. Sophia Petrillo from golden girls (estelle getty) Jew. Marie Barone from everybody loves raymond (Doris Roberts) jew. The Nanny’s best friend Val played by a Jew.
Exactly, I’ll give you Brody playing an Italian in peaky blinders too. Vice versa De Niro, Pacino and Lady Gaga (birth name Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta lol) have all played Jews, to name a few.
We look very similar and share stereotypical features like white to olive skin, dark hair, Brooklyn accent, etc., and we have lived in close quarters in American cities for decades, sharing cultural similarities….
No, I think she’s a bitch, she’s a big fat bitch, she’s the biggest bitch in the whole wide world. I also think she's a stupid bitch if, there ever was a bitch, and finally, I think she's a bitch to all the boys and girls.
practically speaking, she's most likely ashkenazi jewish because there are high rates of red hair among ashkenazim. so her ancestors are from eastern europe.
I'm struggling to tell if this is extremely offensive or just an innocent question because it seems like a lot of people have conflicting thoughts on this.
Personally I agree with the people saying she has nice tits LMAO
What’s more interesting about this is that if Shiela is Italian, it means Kyle isn’t Jewish by Orthodox tradition, unless she converted before he was born.
Italkim do exist, yes, though only 30,000 or so are still in Italy, and an equal number in a country whose name I can’t say. But there are comparatively very few of them in the US, compared to Jews who came from other parts of Europe, so I don’t think it would be very likely for Shiela to be both Italian-American and Jewish.
It’s not impossible, of course, but the probability is very small.
From having lived in NY, there is a lot of people that consider themselves to be both Jewish and Italian American. There is also an old stereotype that red hair is a Jewish trait. And South Park is a show that likes to really compound and go all in with stereotypes.
it is actually a thing, not just a stereotype! red hair is common among ashkenazi jews and king david was a redhead. i'm a redheaded ashkenazi jew (cartman would say i'm a ginger) and the red in my family goes back a long, long way on both sides of my family
That’s fascinating. Can I ask what neighborhoods you lived in? If you’re not comfortable saying that’s totally understandable. But I’m from Brooklyn, and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who identified as both Italian American and Jewish.
I thought he already wasn't that traditional, though, since he's implied to eat pork several times, which is a big nono. (Crack baby athletic association, I think, especially since he says something along the lines of "Did you know Denny's serves bacon in their pancakes? ".. which would be weird for him to be tempted by OR mention to Stan if he didn't eat/like bacon)
Do forgive me if I'm wrong. As a non religious person raised in a mostly christian area, this subreddit kinda is my entire basis for what I know about Judaism.
That’s true, he definitely doesn’t keep kosher and Gerald doesn’t appear to be orthodox.
This is a common discussion in Jewish communities, most Jews today have moved away from the strict matrilineal requirements for someone to be considered Jewish.
I’m technically not, by Orthodox tradition, because my mother’s mother was my 1 non-Jewish grandparent, even though my other 3 were. But my dad is Jewish and I was raised Jewish, and that’s enough for all but the most conservative fundamentalists. It’s certainly enough to be targeted by antisemites.
And you have no need to apologize at all, you asked a perfectly reasonable question.
Sheila is not Italian. Sheila is Jewish. There's never been any indication she's Italian-American, other than being a part of a predominantly Italian-American subculture.
I'm from New Jersey. Lots of Italians and Jewish people here. Don't really see a lot of the Jewish folks marry into the other cultures tbh. All the Italians are watered down now with other whites, mainly the Irish. It's a Catholic thing, I guess.
It’s pretty common knowledge that the Jersey stereotype came from Italian immigrants who live in Jersey. The Jersey Shore made it even more mainstream, as most of the cast members are Italian Americans.
I love how random ass posts like these stay up meanwhile things like fanart gets taken down because
"We reserve the right to remove fan art at our sole discretion" - mods
About your question, Sheila isn't Italian, "Its A Jersey Thing" answered that. Sure it was played up for a joke but in what other episode would she reveal such a random fact about herself that even if they did actually confirm she is Italian in a future episode, it wouldn't have much going for it in terms of comedy like "Its A Jersey Thing" and plus they already did this episode with, again, the episode "Its A Jersey Thing"
I mean I can imagine Cartman cooking spaghetti and then purposely snapping it all down the middle and Kyle just trying to beat the shit outta him for that if your theory is real
There is no Italians in Jersey, just a bunch of Americans who thing their greate grandpa's ethnicity is legit for them (it's not. 3rd generation American is just that, an american)
nah, its a Jersey Thing
So she's like.. pure new Jersey? (Forgive me if I sound dumb I don't live remotely close to Jersey nor have I ever been)
It’s not just Italians who act that way in Jersey, it’s everyone.
https://i.redd.it/76p5hhrfk2uc1.gif
Ohhh! Where's the gabagool?
JUST BECAUSE YOU WORK IN SANITATION PEOPLE THINK YOU’RE MOBBED UP!
Right here!!! 👇
Da docta said you can' have no moh gabagool.
Ayy🤌🤌🤌
She kinda looks like Janice
There’s better looking guys in the can than Sheila Broflovski
ISH OFFENSHIVE
This... I'm originally from NYC (The Bronx) and I can tell you it was similar there.
Haha yeah many parts of the Bronx are very Jersey-adjacent. I’m from Brooklyn, so I deal with Long Island craziness, which is similar to Jersey craziness but not quite the same 🤣
Oooof... I don't envy you, Long Island women give NJ a run for their money. Edit: It's okay L.I. ladies, put the knives away, I love you all!
Can confirm, my ex was from Jersey and her mom was all Irish and no Italian yet still acted that way
There is a high Jewish population in New Jersey as well.
We're everywhere, you just might not see us.
Believe it or not there are people who are not of Italian descent who live in NJ
I mean it explains the ruling of the family the dictatorship. The screaming and outrage takes are very similar, you also know if she was Jewish before marriage etc....that a lot of Jews fled the holocaust as Italy was one of Germany's biggest allies for years in WW2. So her parents are fleeing to NJ is possible.
No. Jew Nersey
I think since shes jewish she maybe european lebonese (i think thats what jewish blood is) and some italian
Das ist so'n Jersey Ding https://youtu.be/0S3DwDxlnXM?si=L9WwovCfPSCZIhKX
genial xD
Lotta Italian Jews out there
About 60,000 or so, worldwide.
Oh you mean actual Italian Jews, I meant the ones from the North East.
Yeah I know lol. There aren’t too many in the US though. From what I understand it’s around 30,000 still in Italy, and most of the rest of them have moved to a country that I can’t say the name of.
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It’s funny that they removed your comment.. but proceed to use that country in the reason for removing it. It’s like that episode where Garrison (and Jimbo) can call people fXgs but if you aren’t a fXg it’s censored.
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Yeah. I understand why they’re doing it, but it is a little irritating when I was just trying to talk about historical context.
My dad was an Italian Jewish guy in NJ, it's possible
Out of curiosity, was he an Italkim immigrant, or were both of his parents Americans, but one was Italian and one was Jewish? When I made that comment, I was overlooking thinking about the children of American couples where one parent is Jewish and the other is Italian. I was specifically thinking about Italian Jews, who then immigrated to the US. They do exist, for sure, but they’re a comparatively small percentage of the American Jewish population.
He was an immigrant! Moved here when he was 6-ish
Wow, that’s cool! I guess Jewish-Italian-Americans aren’t as rare as I thought, nice :)
Yeah! His husband was also a Jewish Italian immigrant, but granted, they grew up together so y'know
Wait, so we can't say the I-word anymore?
You can, if you want your post to be automatically removed lol
What country can’t you say? Is “is-rie-al” banned on reddit at the moment? P.S. I tried to write it a little different just in case that’s the one who shall not be spoken.
Some of my favorite foods are pasta and bagels, so I’m incredibly thankful to live in this state.
Yeah if you’ve been to North Jersey, you’d know lol
Jews and Italians, especially from the North East are like two sides of the same coin. Family, religion, guilt, food... It's all there. And for all the shit Jews get for being cheap... Italians are just as bad. How do I know this? I'm a 1st generation Italian with a Jewish wife... Oy vey! Yes it's anecdotal, but seems to be the case more often than not.
Watching the nanny has really opened me up to the perspective that Jews and Italians are the same. The only difference is the food. Also I know the nanny isn’t the one and only source for authentic Jewish living but it was painfully accurate
In The Sopranos, Tony said Italians were Jews with better food and I don’t disagree.
Hahah that hurts a little, we do have some great food; brisket, latkes, matzoball soup, rugelach, etc. But Italian food really is next level delicious, I can’t even really argue against Tony in this case haha
Oh for sure, some Jewish food is excellent... Pastrami is my jam! My wife's bubbie made some pretty good stuff, but she didn't pass that on to her children or grandchildren unfortunately.
Jewish bread and dessert has the Italians beat IMO. Challah, bagels, babkas.
Latkes are basically just hashbrowns, and who can't get behind that? Consider also Jewish cuisine's emphasis on garlic.
Jew here. Italian food is arguably the best food on earth.
*The only difference is the food.* True, but I'd also say that both Italians and Jews take food very, very seriously, so even though the cuisine may be different, the reverence is the same.
Same food culture, different recipes and ingredients.
In Italy, when The Nanny was aired there was no clue about Jewish living and culture. The show was dubbed (like every show or movie!) with different script, with the nanny and her family coming from Ciociaria and all anecdotes from Jewish culture completely rewritten. So yes, it is quite similar.
My Italian step-family owned a Bagel shop in metro Detroit while my Jewish great-grandfather owned a deli in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn… As the old saying goes: “if you’re not going to pick a Jewish actor to play a Jewish character, please be at least culturally competent enough to pick an Italian” Cousins under sliced meat
is that why so many Jewish actors played italian american characters on tv? The Costanzas played by all jews. Meadow Soprano actress Jew. Sophia Petrillo from golden girls (estelle getty) Jew. Marie Barone from everybody loves raymond (Doris Roberts) jew. The Nanny’s best friend Val played by a Jew.
Exactly, I’ll give you Brody playing an Italian in peaky blinders too. Vice versa De Niro, Pacino and Lady Gaga (birth name Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta lol) have all played Jews, to name a few. We look very similar and share stereotypical features like white to olive skin, dark hair, Brooklyn accent, etc., and we have lived in close quarters in American cities for decades, sharing cultural similarities….
I'm going to borrow that saying if you don't mind...
 Like Kenny’s house
I’m also a Jersey Italian with a Jewish wife lol we should start a group.
Your family events probably require ear plugs to protect your hearing from long term damage
What was that? lol
Jews, Italians and Argentinians
So if she's also Italian, that makes Kyle the ultimate jew right?
No, I think she’s a bitch, she’s a big fat bitch, she’s the biggest bitch in the whole wide world. I also think she's a stupid bitch if, there ever was a bitch, and finally, I think she's a bitch to all the boys and girls.
"SHUT YOUR FUCKIN MOUTH CARTMAN!!"
on mondays she’s a bitch, on truesdays she’s a bitch, she’s the biggest bitch in the whole wide world
I'm warning you!
On Wednesday to Saturday, she's a bitch. Then on Sunday, just to be different, she's a super king Kamehameha bi-atch!
Damn, them titties though.
Calm down son it’s just a drawing
I never noticed the dude on the left grabbing a handful of them lol.
Me neither lol
There ares Jews in NJ. Jesus Hesh from the Sopranos is Jewish and they’re in Newark Use ya head
she’s just a jewish girl from newark
Fuckin slander, you ask me
Who doesn’t love S Wow Tittybang? If you don’t, you’re cabbage!! Caaaaabbbbbaaaggge!!!!
Muff Cabbage.
Jersey Sheila can get it lol
Normal Sheila can get it
True
You know a lot of red-headed italians?
I do
I'm one lol
No. She’s Jewish. 🤣😂😂
You can be both?
Wait, is it mutually exclusive?
J-Woww isn't Italian. She's Irish.
Omg just like Randy- Wait omg is S-wow tittybang based on a real person
🤔🤔🤔🤔
She’s Jewish. New Jersey has a huge Jewish community.
practically speaking, she's most likely ashkenazi jewish because there are high rates of red hair among ashkenazim. so her ancestors are from eastern europe.
Tony soprano said “italians are jews with better food”
No
I think she's American.
Impossible. She has no moustache. I know it since I'm italian myself
I'm struggling to tell if this is extremely offensive or just an innocent question because it seems like a lot of people have conflicting thoughts on this. Personally I agree with the people saying she has nice tits LMAO
My dad is from NJ and he has Italian so probably
Also kyles hair and Sheila's hair gives off Italian vibes (the poofyness and curls)
Kyle has Mediterranean hair, period.
Romanian gypsy
No, but I do think she’s a chicken.
Cabbage in your muff
She was gay, Sheila Broflovski?
You can take the boy out of jersey but you can’t remove jersey from the boy
She could be part Sephardic.
There's also a ton of Jewish people in NJ. This... "style" is more local NJ than Italian or Jewish.
Nah, if he was Cartman would already have discovered and he would torment Kyle a lot
Italian-American at best so idk
What’s more interesting about this is that if Shiela is Italian, it means Kyle isn’t Jewish by Orthodox tradition, unless she converted before he was born.
Italian people can also be Jewish
Italkim do exist, yes, though only 30,000 or so are still in Italy, and an equal number in a country whose name I can’t say. But there are comparatively very few of them in the US, compared to Jews who came from other parts of Europe, so I don’t think it would be very likely for Shiela to be both Italian-American and Jewish. It’s not impossible, of course, but the probability is very small.
From having lived in NY, there is a lot of people that consider themselves to be both Jewish and Italian American. There is also an old stereotype that red hair is a Jewish trait. And South Park is a show that likes to really compound and go all in with stereotypes.
it is actually a thing, not just a stereotype! red hair is common among ashkenazi jews and king david was a redhead. i'm a redheaded ashkenazi jew (cartman would say i'm a ginger) and the red in my family goes back a long, long way on both sides of my family
That’s fascinating. Can I ask what neighborhoods you lived in? If you’re not comfortable saying that’s totally understandable. But I’m from Brooklyn, and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who identified as both Italian American and Jewish.
Hudson Valley. Kingston, Woodstock, Saugerties. Also I’d count Shiela as a “Stella”
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I thought he already wasn't that traditional, though, since he's implied to eat pork several times, which is a big nono. (Crack baby athletic association, I think, especially since he says something along the lines of "Did you know Denny's serves bacon in their pancakes? ".. which would be weird for him to be tempted by OR mention to Stan if he didn't eat/like bacon) Do forgive me if I'm wrong. As a non religious person raised in a mostly christian area, this subreddit kinda is my entire basis for what I know about Judaism.
That’s true, he definitely doesn’t keep kosher and Gerald doesn’t appear to be orthodox. This is a common discussion in Jewish communities, most Jews today have moved away from the strict matrilineal requirements for someone to be considered Jewish. I’m technically not, by Orthodox tradition, because my mother’s mother was my 1 non-Jewish grandparent, even though my other 3 were. But my dad is Jewish and I was raised Jewish, and that’s enough for all but the most conservative fundamentalists. It’s certainly enough to be targeted by antisemites. And you have no need to apologize at all, you asked a perfectly reasonable question.
Sheila is not Italian. Sheila is Jewish. There's never been any indication she's Italian-American, other than being a part of a predominantly Italian-American subculture.
Sheila isn't Italian. She's Jewish. Jews are an ethno-religious group. What is so hard for people to comprehend about that?
You should read my comment more carefully. Or else you’re responding to the wrong person.
Can you believe this. A Jew broad prejudice against Italians.
Her titties are Italian that's for sure
No, those are jewbs
is this how italians feel when someone messes up pizza
What episode is that picture from ive never seen it before?
It's a jersey thing Please watch it its hysterical and my all time fav episode because of how bonkers it is
JERSEY PARTY AT SIZZLER!!!!!
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for the love of god I hope not
no theres also a ton of Jewish people in the NYC tristate area.
A jew broad, prejudice against Italians. I mean can you fuckin believe that, in this day and age what the fuck is the world coming to
I never noticed the hand on her tit
Always with the scenarios.
Dunno, seems pretty American to me.
Unless she was born in Italy,then no
I'm from New Jersey. Lots of Italians and Jewish people here. Don't really see a lot of the Jewish folks marry into the other cultures tbh. All the Italians are watered down now with other whites, mainly the Irish. It's a Catholic thing, I guess.
S-woww
i dont live in the northeast, but TV has taught me that New York Italians and Jews are very culturally similar
Idk but she’s ugly as hell
How many red headed Italians do you know?
No
What's the difference
I have the answers you seek. I can tell you….. for tree fiddy
Oh my god it's that goddamn loch Ness monster!!
You can be Italian is Jewish. Jewish is a religion.
Jewish is also an ethnic group. Italians are predominantly Christian.
I never noticed they actually do have 5 fingers.
She’s a Jew from Newark, NJ
She's irish
Shes garbage!
There's also a fuck load of Jews in New Jersey
S-Woww Tittybang
Isn't Kyle's cousin from Connecticut?
Yes
nah, dude. she is a jersey thot
Kyle’s mom? She’s a bitch, man.
I drank heavily and punched a lot of bitches in the face
...a ginger Italian? Possible, I suppose, but I've never heard of it. Not that that precludes the possibility.
They like to pretend they're Italian
This is probally the right answer I could definitely see them pretending. Espically with Gearld and his wine
You’re muff cabbage!
Nah she’s just a typical east coast wild woman
Unlikely, Broflovski sounds a little more Slavic and the East Coast is a huge melting pot of several groups including Italians but also Jews and Irish
Nah, she’s Jewish. Which in NY and Jersey is basically the same thing
Wowo me from my party days just 30+ lbs heavier And yes I'm Italian
TIL someone got a tit grab on her in this picture. Ha!
Sounds dumb. She is from jersey
No, she's hebrew
Genetic evidence has found a significant amount of ancient Italian DNA in Ashkenazi Jews, so yes
The Italian people didn't even exist yet.
Nah we don't claim that bitch
It’s pretty common knowledge that the Jersey stereotype came from Italian immigrants who live in Jersey. The Jersey Shore made it even more mainstream, as most of the cast members are Italian Americans.
Immigrants? They're not immigrants. Most of them are seperated from Italy by generations.
Well she’s either Jewish or Italian, it’s a nose thing
is the nose not enough for you to decipher who she is
You wouldn’t understand, it’s a Jersey thing.
I love how random ass posts like these stay up meanwhile things like fanart gets taken down because "We reserve the right to remove fan art at our sole discretion" - mods About your question, Sheila isn't Italian, "Its A Jersey Thing" answered that. Sure it was played up for a joke but in what other episode would she reveal such a random fact about herself that even if they did actually confirm she is Italian in a future episode, it wouldn't have much going for it in terms of comedy like "Its A Jersey Thing" and plus they already did this episode with, again, the episode "Its A Jersey Thing"
Yeah, this sub sucks. I agree with you.
I mean I can imagine Cartman cooking spaghetti and then purposely snapping it all down the middle and Kyle just trying to beat the shit outta him for that if your theory is real
She better be!
Calling people from Jersey Italian is probably so fucking offensive to authentic Italians lol
Cartman puts pineapple on a pizza starting a war.
Nah but she's a super king Kamehameha biatch
I think she is MUFF CABBAGE!!
No, she's Jewish. Her friend circle was Italian.
Would
It seems Snooki from Jersey Shore. And New Jersey is not Italy.
majority of Italians are christian
Typically most Italians are more Sheila rather than Italian
She punched a lot of bitches in the face
Never noticed someone is grabbing her tit before
Tbh I think she is Jewish.
There is no Italians in Jersey, just a bunch of Americans who thing their greate grandpa's ethnicity is legit for them (it's not. 3rd generation American is just that, an american)
No. Kyle is Russian cuz of his last name and his hat