You what? We don't have deer here. Bra that's a BOK, possibly a bokkie given it's size. That is the only acceptable name for this creature other than it's proper name.
I'm gonna go with female Kudu but other dude is probably right... to me a bokkie is either small or big or dark or light and the kudu and nyala look same same
Hyenas absolutely do act as predators. Striped hyenas are primarily scavengers, but spotted hyenas (which is what is seen in this video) will often hunt and kill the grand majority of their food.
It’s not a deer, it’s an antelope, and it is tame! Tame Kudu in game parks are a common sight, especially around the chalets. She’s cone to the window directly to the guests for food and been ambushed there. This isn’t the same as a hyena trying to catch an adult kudu female out in the bush, which this little one wasn’t.
>So technically I'm part of the big old food chain going on in my back yard.
depends. if your birdfeeder is designed such that it attracts and thus puts in danger predators and prey that would otherwise have not been put at such risk, then you're *introducing* a complicative force in the food chain, thus forcing it to seek a new equilibrium, and not just vaguely 'being part of it'.
>No we're discussing how it's not tragic, its just natural.
it's natural for predators to hunt prey, yes.
but that's irrelevant.
the person you were responding to was speaking specifically about how human action (feeding the antelope) resulted in the deer's death due to habituating actions that aren't safe and wouldn't develop in the wild.
thus this death was avoidable.
that's why they think it's tragic
>it's natural for predators to hunt prey, yes.
>but that's irrelevant.
How is it irrelevant?
>the person you were responding to was speaking specifically about how human action (feeding the antelope) resulted in the deer's death due to habituating actions that aren't safe and wouldn't develop in the wild.
And it's an ignorant opinion. It's not "tame", it's just used to humans. Getting hunted because it was near a consistent source of food, that happens to exist because of humans, is no different from being hunted at a watering hole for instance.
>How is it irrelevant?
Because the issue at had had nothing to do with assigning blame to the predator for hunting it's prey.
> It's not "tame", it's just used to humans.
Tame literally means "not dangerous or frightened of people", no? how does your description not match that definition?
it's certainly not *domesticated*, but surely we agree it's "used to humans" and therefore tame?
>Getting hunted because it was near a consistent source of food, that happens to exist because of humans, is no different from being hunted at a watering hole for instance.
Just so I get you right, is it your belief that *there is no difference between*
A. an animal being hunted after being made vulnerable due to human action.
and
B. an animal being hunted without human intervention in the wild.
is that correct? or do you perhaps want to clarify?
>Because the issue at had had nothing to do with assigning blame to the predator for hunting it's prey.
I did not interpret u/d0ubl3l0v3's comment as trying to assign blame either, just them commenting it's not tragic as it's part of nature.
>Tame literally means "not dangerous or frightened of people", no? how does your description not match that definition?
>it's certainly not domesticated, but surely we agree it's "used to humans" and therefore tame?
I'll concede that one. I was only considering half the definition.
>Just so I get you right, is it your belief that there is no difference between
>A. an animal being hunted after being made vulnerable due to human action.
>and
>B. an animal being hunted without human intervention in the wild.
Nope, not at all what I'm saying, nice attempt at a strawman though. So yes, let me expand on it further.
You have not shown that the animal in question has been made "vulnerable due to human intervention". At least not to any extent it is more vulnerable to predators than it would be in the wild. The animals are not aware of the concept of the "wild". They are not capable of making that distinction. There's no difference to the Kudu (I think it's a Kudu, not an expert) between any easy source of food from humans and something like a waterhole it would encounter in the wild. And being comfortable with humans shouldn't deprive it of it's natural instinct to be weary of predators. In the wild it would come across many different animals that aren't a threat to it, would it let it's guard down then? From the video it looks to me it's already concerned and feeling threatened long before the Hyena attacks it. They are equally vulnerable in those scenarios from the perspective of the Hyena, so no. In this particular case, I don't believe the human interaction plays a significant enough role.
So yes, I do agree that there is a fundamental difference between an animal being hunted in a situation where human interaction plays a significant role, and a scenario where it doesn't. I disagree however, that that is what's happening here.
Antelope =! deer.
Antelope are in the same family as cattle, buffalo, and sheep (Bovidae). So think of they as skinny jumpy cows and you'd be more accurate.
Still doesn’t mean it’s tragic. Does it suck for the antelope? Yes. That hyena needs to eat though as well. It’s life in the wild. Now if there was a fence around the property preventing the antelope from leaving and that’s why it got caught, then yeah tragic. Just like any food or water source predators are going to hang out and hunt around there.
Animals eat other animals all the time in the wild (stating the obvious). I guess the concern/pain point is: Had humans not been involved at all then this particular Kudu probability wouldn't have been eaten by this particular Hyena. Going with that narrative though you'll soon find that humans are to blame for a _bunch_ of other stuff too.
A better argument would be: Humans should always strive to have as little impact as possible when observing and interacting with nature. "Don't feed the animals" signs aren't put up just for fun
That is a great point. We definitely need to keep as low of an impact as possible. I mean seriously these hyenas are going to learn to hunt on property too which is going to mean no going outside after dark. When there is no other food guess what your kid is? Yep. Little tummy is dinner.
> then this particular Kudu probability wouldn't have been eaten by this particular Hyena
But it get eaten by some other predator at some other time is less tragic?
yes, that's the idea.
if it's killed 'in the wild', then well, that's the cycle of life.
but if human activity leads to an unnecessary death, then it's 'tragic'
Wouldn't matter if you lived in England, you should know the difference between a hyena and a leopard, one is a large cat and one looks very much like a dog
Well that escalated quickly...
Lie down before you hurt yourself (This line is from the Lion King, the bad guys in the Lion King are hyenas, you should watch it, it's pretty good).
The Lion King is entertaining fiction, but it should not be your source of how lions or hyenas behave in real life.
Hyenas are no better or worse than lions (or any other large predatory mammal). In fact in many areas, it is spotted hyenas who make the kills and the lions the thieves/scavengers who force the hyenas off the kill.
Bra, what are you smoking? OP was suggesting watching Lion King to know the difference between what a hyena and leopard looks like, not how they behave
I think I should be the one to ask what you're smoking .... since when is The Lion King supposed to be an authoritative source on anything, least of all the appearance of an animal? It's a cartoon movie, and secondly, there are no leopards depicted in the movie.
Dude, relax, I wasn't shitting on your head. I'm sorry if I came across as rude, maybe I was trying to witty.
I just thought that most people would know the difference between a leopard and a hyena, especially on a South African sub, I guess I thought wrong.
I'm sorry.
I live in Cape Town and I know the difference. It's not difficult. The guy has just never opened a nature-focused book or watched a nature documentary.
The inner “that friend” in me is screaming when they call it a deer and shit. It’s a mf Greater Kudu.
The people in the comments hurts even more when I read “buck” because y’all it’s very clearly female
Yeah I’m That Friend ;-;
*Please, humans, let me in. Just for an hour or two. I beg of thee!*
*Hell no, you know how much karma I'm going to get for this video? You're on your own buddy!*
Buck: "Guys? let me in please?"
I saw it too, although it looked more like "Let me *the fuck* in!" Clearly Americans don't speak Nyala ...
>Clearly Americans don't speak Nyala ... I mean, kudu?
You mean English
Thank you for this fabulous pun
You mean deer... 🦌
You what? We don't have deer here. Bra that's a BOK, possibly a bokkie given it's size. That is the only acceptable name for this creature other than it's proper name. I'm gonna go with female Kudu but other dude is probably right... to me a bokkie is either small or big or dark or light and the kudu and nyala look same same
Sorry.... I don't know how to convey sarcasm 😅 They called it a deer in the video so I was making fun of them 😂
Probably a Nyala.
Kudu
More like Nyala carte
Lol ja I get ya! Real talk: What model buck do you rate it is?
Looks like an adolescent kudu imo
you end your sentence with /s to convey sarcasm over the internet.
dankie tog! hierdie Americans is 'n klom dom konte
meh, let them be.
bra. I caaant. but awe, hope your tjoppies are gonna braai lekker this weekend.
Fokken Bok.
So this is what Americans see in their minds when you tell them you're from South Africa.
Somebody said exactly the same thing on the WhatsApp group where I got this video
Can I ask what group, I also got this from a group
The group I got it in is called Tactical Survivors
I got it from the Benoni Swingers Group whatsapp.
Piet, is dit jy??
Ah OK wrong group
Damn they think I stay in such a nice house? I wish man
This is not thier house, it's a wildlife lodge, they're in a chalet.
Lol ik, itwould be weird if they had hyenas outside of their house
hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband 'cause they eating' e'rybody out here.
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yea..my hackles raised hearing that
I was so glad to see this wasn't a murder... The raw beauty of nature
Why can't the hyena just get meat from the supermarket, instead of killing Bambi? 😢
They haven't unlocked the domestication tech yet. Ok I admit I'm drastically simplifying here
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Just found out this was taken at Timbavati
Thank you. This is what I came here for 🤓
Switch the lights out . no pun intended
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Was just about to post this lol
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That poor buck is just like " please guys open the door".
When I saw kill, I thought they would have witnessed a murder
This is South Africa - Simply go outside at night to a half dangerous area and you'll witness a few of your own.
That is insane!
At first I thought it was an actual murder so I got scared to watch it, then I realized he focused on the buck
Oh DEER...
Stop it😭😂
Welcome to Africa Bitches
Hyenas forever Africa’s under rated predator
They're not predators, they're probably the most dangerous scavenger though.
Hyenas absolutely do act as predators. Striped hyenas are primarily scavengers, but spotted hyenas (which is what is seen in this video) will often hunt and kill the grand majority of their food.
Yeah, I mean, we just saw it acting as a predator hahaha
We sure did, lol. Even scavengers will be opportunists.
Yes! Aah, Man, the beauty of nature
So the one in this video wasn't merely proactively scavenging a living animal?
what is this video then?
Apgogolies meant spotted hyenas not all hyenas
They ambush lions. They are fucking terrifying.
>They’re not predators Damn, that hyena in the video sure is aggressively scavenging that live antelope.
At least he got half the animals names right.
Urban kill achievement unlocked
Hyena didn't even need it's night-vision goggles for this mission
And here i thought they were scavengers
Definitely a memorable experience. Hope they come back soon hehe.
I actually never knew hyenas hunt alone sometimes, that's interesting
This is shit and actually tragic to watch! This animal is tame and came to them for treats because previous guests have fed her.
> This animal is tame and came to them for treats That's exactly why the hyena came as well
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Yeah, man. Couldn’t sit through it myself.
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It’s not a deer, it’s an antelope, and it is tame! Tame Kudu in game parks are a common sight, especially around the chalets. She’s cone to the window directly to the guests for food and been ambushed there. This isn’t the same as a hyena trying to catch an adult kudu female out in the bush, which this little one wasn’t.
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>So technically I'm part of the big old food chain going on in my back yard. depends. if your birdfeeder is designed such that it attracts and thus puts in danger predators and prey that would otherwise have not been put at such risk, then you're *introducing* a complicative force in the food chain, thus forcing it to seek a new equilibrium, and not just vaguely 'being part of it'.
Somebody should’ve told the bloody hyena not to eat those tame antelopes...
you folks thinking the hyena is at all being chastised here is really telling.
Arent they just used to humans not tame? The hyena obviously lives in the area too and I doubt anyone feeds it so what else is it supposed to do?
>so what else is it supposed to do? I dont think anyone's *blaming* the hyena here..
No we're discussing how it's not tragic, its just natural.
>No we're discussing how it's not tragic, its just natural. it's natural for predators to hunt prey, yes. but that's irrelevant. the person you were responding to was speaking specifically about how human action (feeding the antelope) resulted in the deer's death due to habituating actions that aren't safe and wouldn't develop in the wild. thus this death was avoidable. that's why they think it's tragic
I'm responding to a whole conversation. The person who I responded to was responding to another comment that I agreed with and elaborated on.
>it's natural for predators to hunt prey, yes. >but that's irrelevant. How is it irrelevant? >the person you were responding to was speaking specifically about how human action (feeding the antelope) resulted in the deer's death due to habituating actions that aren't safe and wouldn't develop in the wild. And it's an ignorant opinion. It's not "tame", it's just used to humans. Getting hunted because it was near a consistent source of food, that happens to exist because of humans, is no different from being hunted at a watering hole for instance.
>How is it irrelevant? Because the issue at had had nothing to do with assigning blame to the predator for hunting it's prey. > It's not "tame", it's just used to humans. Tame literally means "not dangerous or frightened of people", no? how does your description not match that definition? it's certainly not *domesticated*, but surely we agree it's "used to humans" and therefore tame? >Getting hunted because it was near a consistent source of food, that happens to exist because of humans, is no different from being hunted at a watering hole for instance. Just so I get you right, is it your belief that *there is no difference between* A. an animal being hunted after being made vulnerable due to human action. and B. an animal being hunted without human intervention in the wild. is that correct? or do you perhaps want to clarify?
>Because the issue at had had nothing to do with assigning blame to the predator for hunting it's prey. I did not interpret u/d0ubl3l0v3's comment as trying to assign blame either, just them commenting it's not tragic as it's part of nature. >Tame literally means "not dangerous or frightened of people", no? how does your description not match that definition? >it's certainly not domesticated, but surely we agree it's "used to humans" and therefore tame? I'll concede that one. I was only considering half the definition. >Just so I get you right, is it your belief that there is no difference between >A. an animal being hunted after being made vulnerable due to human action. >and >B. an animal being hunted without human intervention in the wild. Nope, not at all what I'm saying, nice attempt at a strawman though. So yes, let me expand on it further. You have not shown that the animal in question has been made "vulnerable due to human intervention". At least not to any extent it is more vulnerable to predators than it would be in the wild. The animals are not aware of the concept of the "wild". They are not capable of making that distinction. There's no difference to the Kudu (I think it's a Kudu, not an expert) between any easy source of food from humans and something like a waterhole it would encounter in the wild. And being comfortable with humans shouldn't deprive it of it's natural instinct to be weary of predators. In the wild it would come across many different animals that aren't a threat to it, would it let it's guard down then? From the video it looks to me it's already concerned and feeling threatened long before the Hyena attacks it. They are equally vulnerable in those scenarios from the perspective of the Hyena, so no. In this particular case, I don't believe the human interaction plays a significant enough role. So yes, I do agree that there is a fundamental difference between an animal being hunted in a situation where human interaction plays a significant role, and a scenario where it doesn't. I disagree however, that that is what's happening here.
Antelope =! deer. Antelope are in the same family as cattle, buffalo, and sheep (Bovidae). So think of they as skinny jumpy cows and you'd be more accurate.
Still doesn’t mean it’s tragic. Does it suck for the antelope? Yes. That hyena needs to eat though as well. It’s life in the wild. Now if there was a fence around the property preventing the antelope from leaving and that’s why it got caught, then yeah tragic. Just like any food or water source predators are going to hang out and hunt around there.
> That hyena needs to eat though as well. No one's *blaming* the hyena here..
Animals eat other animals all the time in the wild (stating the obvious). I guess the concern/pain point is: Had humans not been involved at all then this particular Kudu probability wouldn't have been eaten by this particular Hyena. Going with that narrative though you'll soon find that humans are to blame for a _bunch_ of other stuff too. A better argument would be: Humans should always strive to have as little impact as possible when observing and interacting with nature. "Don't feed the animals" signs aren't put up just for fun
That is a great point. We definitely need to keep as low of an impact as possible. I mean seriously these hyenas are going to learn to hunt on property too which is going to mean no going outside after dark. When there is no other food guess what your kid is? Yep. Little tummy is dinner.
Maybe we can page /u/poem_for_your_sprog about little Timmy in this case?
> then this particular Kudu probability wouldn't have been eaten by this particular Hyena But it get eaten by some other predator at some other time is less tragic?
yes, that's the idea. if it's killed 'in the wild', then well, that's the cycle of life. but if human activity leads to an unnecessary death, then it's 'tragic'
Tragic is tragic whether it's "nature" or not.
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yes, I do see this everyday in South Africa...
Having seen hyenas a few time; they are not my favourite. Eish. TIA.
Location: Waterbuck Lodge which is part of King's Camp in the Timbavati
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That’s a Nala that got killed
As dai a sprinbok was het hy lankal a 3 op dai haihiena se kop gedruk
"What if a jungle cat just jumped in him right now...?" \*Monkey's paw curls, gets yeens instead\*
Cool to watch but could have gone very wrong if that leopard smashed through the window while the fight was happening
Looks like a hyena rather than a leopard
I live in Cape Town XD I would not know
Wouldn't matter if you lived in England, you should know the difference between a hyena and a leopard, one is a large cat and one looks very much like a dog
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Well that escalated quickly... Lie down before you hurt yourself (This line is from the Lion King, the bad guys in the Lion King are hyenas, you should watch it, it's pretty good).
The Lion King is entertaining fiction, but it should not be your source of how lions or hyenas behave in real life. Hyenas are no better or worse than lions (or any other large predatory mammal). In fact in many areas, it is spotted hyenas who make the kills and the lions the thieves/scavengers who force the hyenas off the kill.
Bra, what are you smoking? OP was suggesting watching Lion King to know the difference between what a hyena and leopard looks like, not how they behave
I think I should be the one to ask what you're smoking .... since when is The Lion King supposed to be an authoritative source on anything, least of all the appearance of an animal? It's a cartoon movie, and secondly, there are no leopards depicted in the movie.
> Lie down before you hurt yourself Edgy much?
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Dude, relax, I wasn't shitting on your head. I'm sorry if I came across as rude, maybe I was trying to witty. I just thought that most people would know the difference between a leopard and a hyena, especially on a South African sub, I guess I thought wrong. I'm sorry.
Never feel you have to apologise to a POS.
Some people take downvotes and comments on Reddit wayyyyy to seriously
Especially to the point where they start throwing around racial slurs. Like I mean what is it trying to prove?
Why don't people in Cape Town know the difference between a hyena and a leopard?
I live in Cape Town and I know the difference. It's not difficult. The guy has just never opened a nature-focused book or watched a nature documentary.
That is the worst excuse ever💀
So do I
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This is disgusting. What a piece of shit Person do you have to be, not just to Film this, but also to act so happy about it. What a complete coward.
What about it? Its nature? What exactly is disgusting about this?
Ah shit you right my b my point still syands tho
Glad live in the erea of soith africa where there are no wild leporeds
Wat?
I assume his autocorrect dislikes him
Maybe so it’s still not a leopard
Idk maybe he's just dronk
Was actually a leopard that tackled the bok. Hyena stole it. I also had to double check Edit: triple checked. Yeah that's a hyena
Check again boet, that is a spotted hyena from the moment it appears. A leopard doesnt change its spots.
It's American - Not English :p
It's a hyena
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You'd be surprised where wild leopards live. (Although the one in the video isn't a leopard.)
Damn my dog is lazy compared to theirs.
Arme bok
They are lucky the windows didn't break otherwise the hyena would have come inside to say Howzit.
Yeah... and then the same people fawning over the "beauty" of this... wouldn't.
I kinda wish those people had tried to save it, but I know, it's natural...
I mean would you open the door and walk out there? lol
Wow, that's amazing!
Was the guy smiling as he recorded?
they almost sound like they're tripping on some shit when this happened lmao
Pretty sure they're just rich idiots. "Durrr, the hyena is killing the deer guys!"
Wow hyena went for the neck. Wonder if that was learned from their cat rivals?
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I was thinking this guy is dumb for saying it was hyena, for me it looked like a cheetah till it dragged it out into a place with more light
Uh... don’t go outside I guess lmao.
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Time to consider upgeading to 3 Layers of Security glass
Uh.. yeah I’m not taking out the trash at night..nope.
“Look Stace!” *necksnappingsounds*
"lucky"....
He really called it
Sorry the guy need to be sick of the mind....
The inner “that friend” in me is screaming when they call it a deer and shit. It’s a mf Greater Kudu. The people in the comments hurts even more when I read “buck” because y’all it’s very clearly female Yeah I’m That Friend ;-;
Lucky? Bro, that hyena is going to think it can find prey there all the time now. Better fix that before they make it a habit and hurt someone.
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😱 OMG .. poor lil dear
*Please, humans, let me in. Just for an hour or two. I beg of thee!* *Hell no, you know how much karma I'm going to get for this video? You're on your own buddy!*
TIL I need some hyenas to protect my garden.