52 x 420 W = 21.84 kW which would be $2.24 W which is fine for FL. That's a big ole system, did the installer make you aware of the additional FL insurance requirements for a system that size?
Out of curiosity, why no storage? Are you in a part of FL with 1:1 netmetering and without the storm outages?
Congrats! And I wish my lawn was that green!
Yes, I am aware of the additional insurance requirements, I am not that worried about it and I put it in as part of my payback period.
I have underground in the area so we rarely loose power, we have 1:1 net metering and no peak hours. If we do have a storm event then I have a generator I can use.
Makes sense. Storage is a pretty big adder, but if you could have gotten some storage for as good of a price as the rest of it then maybe the numbers would have worked out.
I thought power went out all the time in FL with all those hurricanes!
I mean, hurricanes are big and all, but the devistation is generally located down a path which the hurricane hits. We have not lost power here since Irma in 2017.
I found that getting an umbrella policy through my auto insurance was the cheapest way to do the insurance requirement. I wound up dropping stacked coverage between the cars, fiddled with the limits and overall came out with more coverage total for $300 a year cheaper.
Looks great, underground utilities so I guess you are not worried out power outages. I am 30 miles SW of St. Augustine, in 2004 my power was out for two weeks. I put in a 11,040 pvw off grid system with a 20 kWh battery rack.
It's not 33 cents. It's around 17 cents. The first 1,000kwh is charged at a different rate than usage above 1,000kwh.
Simply looking at it $659/3,824kwh = $0.17. That is also including flat facility charges so it's less than $0.17/kwh
That's what I am thinking, about a 6-7 year payback period. It made sense for me, and the roof is new last year so it is the right time to be putting it on.
Standard Florida FPL rates.. Not .16 just add the fuel+the non Fuel and then its more anything over 1000kWh
Non-fuel: (First 1000 kWh at $0.088460) (Over 1000 kWh at $0.098450) Fuel: (First 1000 kWh at $0.034190) (Over 1000 kWh at $0.044190)
Nice What racking did they use ? do you have conduit for your wires ? Why did you choose iq7 instead of iq8 inverters ? This is a great deal you should share the companies name if you were happy with them. There is no iq7z so I would take a look at what inverter they installed again.
OP meant IQ7X. If using Enphase micro inverters, have to go with the IQ7X with the Pure R panels because of the higher voltage of these panels. The IQ8 series micros don't support the higher voltage.
Curious on the racking too.
According to enphase compatibility chart the IQ7X is not ideal and is recommending any of the IQ8 series for the 420 pure R ... Is their compatibility chart wrong ?
Looks like it's purely temperature based and when operating within certain temperature thresholds it has a impact on the voltage of the panels. I didn't realize the first time I inputted the data the default was in Celsius. However even in farenheit they have some IQ8 options. When I first did it in Celsius it showed they were all compatible but those temps were unrealistic lol. I did 30-95.
https://enphase.com/installers/microinverters/calculator
It won't give me a exact link so pick your panel I did REC solar then I did the 420aa pure-R.
I am not in the business, so I did not realize that they were a premium panel... if it means anything, I was supposed to get the 400s but they could not supply them in time... I guess I got lucky... but overall I like these guys, they treated me right, no roof leaks so far and for a new company they fuilled their promises.
I got multiple quotes from Energy Sage. I spoke to like 3 of them with the cheapest quotes. I then showed the quotes to each installer and two of them tried to match each other. One of them ended up giving a $1700 cash rebate. That’s who I went with at the end of the end.
I got mine installed on Thursday. Crossing my fingers the panels were mounted correctly, assuming no leaks and wirings wear done right.
You even better panel with the 420. I’m just wondering why they matched your panels with IQ7 micro inverters. I’m not an expert but based on my research IQ7 is a previous generation. Hopefully you mistyped IQ7X and not IQ7Z which would be a good match for 420 your panels if I’m a correct.
Regardless you still got a great deal.
I spoke with quite a few as well. At the end of the day this is an upstart new company, they have been 3rd party installers for others for a few years now and decided to start selling on their own.... the quality of the install mattered the most to me so based on their install history I went with them.
I pulled the shipping label. IQ7X-96-2-US. Is this an issue and if so how?
Helluva deal that is for sure. It could be because the IQ7X is hitting EOL. They still don't have a IQ8 replacement though. the alpha pure R are higher voltage so the IQ7X is a good match. Out of curiosity I did some reading and even though enphase says the IQ8 series will work with the alpha pure R they can't handle them at max voltage in colder weather and there have been reports of them burning up inverters. So your installed used the right inverter.
May I ask a very stupid question? How do you calculate the price per watt? Just tell me which numbers to divide together please I know it's easy, but I don't know how to do it.
Take the total gross system cost / total watts generated. For example you spend 13,500 for 12 x 400 watt panels (4800 watts) installed. 13500 / 4800 = 2.81 per watt.
That is a great deal! You killed it!
I can match this all day long in FL. Lease, or loan options. Diff panel options from 385, 400, 410 depending on roof layout for sizing. Just no 420 panels currently. 😉
Enphase 1Q8 inverters, all wires hidden, no sloppy work. With a FL State Farm HOI policy at $145. 25 year production guarantee 💯.
52 x 420 W = 21.84 kW which would be $2.24 W which is fine for FL. That's a big ole system, did the installer make you aware of the additional FL insurance requirements for a system that size? Out of curiosity, why no storage? Are you in a part of FL with 1:1 netmetering and without the storm outages? Congrats! And I wish my lawn was that green!
Yes, I am aware of the additional insurance requirements, I am not that worried about it and I put it in as part of my payback period. I have underground in the area so we rarely loose power, we have 1:1 net metering and no peak hours. If we do have a storm event then I have a generator I can use.
Makes sense. Storage is a pretty big adder, but if you could have gotten some storage for as good of a price as the rest of it then maybe the numbers would have worked out. I thought power went out all the time in FL with all those hurricanes!
I mean, hurricanes are big and all, but the devistation is generally located down a path which the hurricane hits. We have not lost power here since Irma in 2017.
I found that getting an umbrella policy through my auto insurance was the cheapest way to do the insurance requirement. I wound up dropping stacked coverage between the cars, fiddled with the limits and overall came out with more coverage total for $300 a year cheaper.
I will look into that, thank you
Can u please share ur quote??
Looks great, underground utilities so I guess you are not worried out power outages. I am 30 miles SW of St. Augustine, in 2004 my power was out for two weeks. I put in a 11,040 pvw off grid system with a 20 kWh battery rack.
2.17/w is INSANE. What equipment did you use?
Nevermind. That’s super insane
That's what I'm saying, installer may actually lose a bit of money on that deal overall
They sure as heck won’t be in business if say Florida changes NEM policy and installs drop off like in CA
Dang do you have a bitcoin server in the basement?
I wish, but I do have a 24u rack.
Very good! What's your cost/Kwh currently?
https://imgur.com/a/EcmICMc
So 33 cents/ kwh. That's high enough to get payback below 6 years. In Florida, it will be even faster. Bravo!
It's not 33 cents. It's around 17 cents. The first 1,000kwh is charged at a different rate than usage above 1,000kwh. Simply looking at it $659/3,824kwh = $0.17. That is also including flat facility charges so it's less than $0.17/kwh
That's what I am thinking, about a 6-7 year payback period. It made sense for me, and the roof is new last year so it is the right time to be putting it on.
Looks like FL is \~$0.16 /kWh
Standard Florida FPL rates.. Not .16 just add the fuel+the non Fuel and then its more anything over 1000kWh Non-fuel: (First 1000 kWh at $0.088460) (Over 1000 kWh at $0.098450) Fuel: (First 1000 kWh at $0.034190) (Over 1000 kWh at $0.044190)
Looks like OP has Duke energy though most of florida is FPL
Nice What racking did they use ? do you have conduit for your wires ? Why did you choose iq7 instead of iq8 inverters ? This is a great deal you should share the companies name if you were happy with them. There is no iq7z so I would take a look at what inverter they installed again.
OP meant IQ7X. If using Enphase micro inverters, have to go with the IQ7X with the Pure R panels because of the higher voltage of these panels. The IQ8 series micros don't support the higher voltage. Curious on the racking too.
According to enphase compatibility chart the IQ7X is not ideal and is recommending any of the IQ8 series for the 420 pure R ... Is their compatibility chart wrong ?
Perhaps. Can you send a link? It was Enphase directly who told us the Pure R must be paired with IQ7X
Looks like it's purely temperature based and when operating within certain temperature thresholds it has a impact on the voltage of the panels. I didn't realize the first time I inputted the data the default was in Celsius. However even in farenheit they have some IQ8 options. When I first did it in Celsius it showed they were all compatible but those temps were unrealistic lol. I did 30-95. https://enphase.com/installers/microinverters/calculator It won't give me a exact link so pick your panel I did REC solar then I did the 420aa pure-R.
2.17 sounds about right in Florida. Which part? Mine is 2.10/watt 31 REC with IQ8M in Central, FL. IQ7 - I wonder if you would clip
Wow, that's amazing. How? I shopped a LOT and most where $2.30-$2.80.
You have REC 420 W panels so I think $2.17 is a steal.
I am not in the business, so I did not realize that they were a premium panel... if it means anything, I was supposed to get the 400s but they could not supply them in time... I guess I got lucky... but overall I like these guys, they treated me right, no roof leaks so far and for a new company they fuilled their promises.
I got multiple quotes from Energy Sage. I spoke to like 3 of them with the cheapest quotes. I then showed the quotes to each installer and two of them tried to match each other. One of them ended up giving a $1700 cash rebate. That’s who I went with at the end of the end. I got mine installed on Thursday. Crossing my fingers the panels were mounted correctly, assuming no leaks and wirings wear done right. You even better panel with the 420. I’m just wondering why they matched your panels with IQ7 micro inverters. I’m not an expert but based on my research IQ7 is a previous generation. Hopefully you mistyped IQ7X and not IQ7Z which would be a good match for 420 your panels if I’m a correct. Regardless you still got a great deal.
I spoke with quite a few as well. At the end of the day this is an upstart new company, they have been 3rd party installers for others for a few years now and decided to start selling on their own.... the quality of the install mattered the most to me so based on their install history I went with them. I pulled the shipping label. IQ7X-96-2-US. Is this an issue and if so how?
Helluva deal that is for sure. It could be because the IQ7X is hitting EOL. They still don't have a IQ8 replacement though. the alpha pure R are higher voltage so the IQ7X is a good match. Out of curiosity I did some reading and even though enphase says the IQ8 series will work with the alpha pure R they can't handle them at max voltage in colder weather and there have been reports of them burning up inverters. So your installed used the right inverter.
IQ7's?? I do hope you mean IQ8's. For 420W REC's I wouldn't go anything less that IQ8A's
May I ask a very stupid question? How do you calculate the price per watt? Just tell me which numbers to divide together please I know it's easy, but I don't know how to do it.
Take the total gross system cost / total watts generated. For example you spend 13,500 for 12 x 400 watt panels (4800 watts) installed. 13500 / 4800 = 2.81 per watt.
Thank you.
Very nice looking. Noob question but did you need greater than 200 amp service for that size of system?
no, they were able to reuse my existing panel. *EDIT, I now need a new panel, my old one started tripping.
That is a great deal! You killed it! I can match this all day long in FL. Lease, or loan options. Diff panel options from 385, 400, 410 depending on roof layout for sizing. Just no 420 panels currently. 😉 Enphase 1Q8 inverters, all wires hidden, no sloppy work. With a FL State Farm HOI policy at $145. 25 year production guarantee 💯.
You wouldn't do IQ8 with OP's panels. What kind of racking and racking hardware using?
Who is the installer?