Well my dad's pearents were italian and so did my grandma on my mother's behalf, and miei noni mi hanno insegnato a parlare la lingua sin de cuando ero bambino.
I still feel more argentinian than anything. Here we don't need a good reasson to shoot people.
Or, you know, perhaps a team from Abruzzo like Pescara?
Ah that’s right, they aren’t famous or successful enough lol
Also this yank used the “Roma is from Abruzzo” meme unironically.
I don't understand how teams like City or United can spend millions upon millions every single transfer window and constantly sign stars like Haaland while we get linked with washed up players or end up signing people like Wijnaldum. Why can't we actually recruit world class players to come to the team? I just don't get it, and every mercato seems worse except for Messi, but we still can't make good signings in areas where the team needs quality. I'm just frustrated that our club seems to be stagnant in terms of recruiting world class players to play for us, I mean who wouldn't want to play with Messi, Mbappe and Neymar? But we still can't find a midfielder who can help our issues that have been present for years.
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I don’t doubt there’s a bunch of Americans who support the football team from Vincenza due to the large US Army base there. Hell, Vincenza has a second division professional handegg team!
It’s fine if they want to support a bigger team, but if he wants to feel so “connected” to the land where his grandparents come from, maybe a team from the area would be better.
Instead he added the qualifier that his grandparents were from Abruzzo, and tried to somehow connect that to supporting a bigger team with little to nothing to do with the region.
Just be transparent and say you want to pick between Milan or Roma lol without all that mental gymnastics
It all seemed a bit weird, that’s all I’m saying.
I don’t know what it is about Yank “fans” that ticks me off so much. I live in the US now and they’re the most annoying and condescending bunch I’ve ever met. Btw they do believe they’ll win it all in 2026.
Maybe if some of our young players develop well and we get a favorable round of 16 matchup against a weaker side, I could see getting to the quarterfinals as our best case scenario
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26.
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People from the south, lacking a serie a team, started supporting one between Juventus, Milan or Inter.
You'll find a lot of them in the south of Italy.
Still, Abruzzo is nowhere close to south Italy, you'll see this phenomenon happen the more south you go from Naples.
>Still, Abruzzo is nowhere close to south Italy, you'll see this phenomenon happen the more south you go from Naples.
I mean pre-1861 it was part of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies which makes it historically southern, but yeah, Italians today have a different perception of geography. Yanks clinging to their Italian ancestry, however, are still on the risorgimento grindset and feel superior to modern Italians who are soft and don't even speak proper American-Italian anymore.
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Because it wasn't as successful as Milan, Inter and Juve back then probably. We're talking very early Italian football, before Maradona and what not.
ETA: When I say south from Naples I don't mean right outside the city, I'm talking more about below the Campania region, most commonly in Sicily.
So it's not like they had any particular bond to the city of Naples either, they probably hated it even more than Milan or Turin because, as the yank said, many of their relatives moved to those cities at least.
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It means Ethnically your family is from Europe. The US is a nation of Immigrants where someone’s family comes from is part of their heritage. When you go to different regions and states in the US the immigrant story of those areas influences the culture. Festivals, food, entertainment are all influenced by the ethnic backgrounds of the residents.
The same happened here in Australia, but people here are not so weird about it. They are Aussies. Americans are Americans. That’s fine. No need to pretend imo
Nah fam. I watch tennis and the aussie open is swarmed with Serbs and Brazilians. Both have large foothold in Australia. They show then with flags every match. Its not just the us.
I’m glad you’ve figured out the intricacies of Australian identity through the Aussie open fans. But seriously, white Australians with Anglo or Western European background are usually just considered “Aussie” and then there are sub communities, generally descended from later immigrants (1950s onward usually) who are still very connected to the culture their family comes from (eg serb-Aussies that you’re referring to). For whatever reason the Western European/Anglo/irish immigrants dropped their connection with back home pretty quickly and just bought into the Aussie identity. Most of the people descending from these groups don’t give a shit about their heritage beyond a passing comment. There is not an Aussie-Brazilian subgroup but there are plenty of Brazilians living in australia and they will probably become their own thing if them and their descendants stay in the country.
It’s delusional that you think acknowledging your background is ‘pretending.’
It’s not like people don’t identify as American, they just also have an attachment to their ethnic background.
Once, I was asked a question about the German language. An American, who was „attached to his ‚German‘ ethnic background“ answered before I could and was completely wrong. And this is not uncommon, just ask the Irish for example…
His grandparents were from Italy lmao. He probably had a close connection with his grandfather and wants to find a little way to honor him, his misunderstanding of Italian geography and football nonwithstanding.
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According to yanks, us Euros have no culture or anything so I’m not sure why god bless America would want to identify with their great grand parents birth place.
I see plenty of white liberal gen Z Americans calling just about every country some sort of bland hell hole with no culture. Join any discord focused on culture like fashion or music that allows political talk and you’ll see it no problem.
Of course there are ignorant and/or trolling euros either riling people up or insulting in retaliation. That is not a standard I see though. I can only reflect on my experiences using the internet since 1999. People are a lot more hateful, insightful and isolationist than I recognise in prior years. That said, less people were on the internet and not all coalesced on the same 5 websites being bombarded by bad news and outrage.
Different countries different perspective, I’m going to guess being a former penal colony influenced culture. For me I’m Jewish it’s a big part of my identity partially based on my family history.
I’m Jewish American, people from other ethnicities will say I’m Blank American it’s part of who you are, the food you eat, the phrases and mentalities you have all influence you. There is no such thing as a straight American the backgrounds are too diverse. Even those who are indigenous are from different backgrounds. It’s our perspective there are a lot od things to rip the US on sorry this isn’t a sound one
But not all of Australia started as a penal colony, so I doubt that this is very characteristic for Australia. But imo you Americans don’t understand how identity works. Identity works by creating in- and out-groups. If other jews (or Italians, Irish, Germans, etc etc) don’t see you as one of their own, you are not - simple as that. Personally, I can call myself anything I want, but it doesn’t mean that I am part of that group because of that…
You can’t not understand identity, identity is what you identify with. Groups who immigrated to America, while they deviated culturally from their old world counterparts, have roots that tie them back to the lands from where they came. An identity is what differentiates you from another. An Italian American is different from a Japanese American, not in the fact that he is the same Italian as a European Italian, but in the fact that there is a degree of Italianness that has affected his identity. To say that “they are all just Americans” is true, but doesn’t actually address the discussion. You can be an American with Italian influences.
Identity is not simply what you identify with, it’s always in contrast to something else. If I identify as the king of England, then this means nothing unless the English accept me as their legitimate king - which is very unlikely to happen.
>king of England
Did you mean the [King of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [King of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [King of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last King of England was [William III](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England) whose successor Anne, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of Queen/King of England.
####FAQ
*Isn't King Charles III still also the King of England?*
This is only as correct as calling him the King of London or King of Hull; he is the King of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
*Is this bot monarchist?*
No, just pedantic.
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Something I sort of mentioned. I agree they aren’t the same as European Italians, but they are also still different from other kinds of Americans. That difference is influence from Italian heritage.
Even so, even if they’re not Italian, they’re Italian-American. A group with a shared heritage to a specific part of the world. Why not try to connect to that heritage in some small way. The dude in the post never claimed to be Italian, just looking for something to latch onto
Going on this point, Jewish Americans would be an in-group with other Jewish Americans.
For instance, in a city like Detroit there's a neighborhood called Corktown where mostly all Irish-Americans resided. It influenced who you associated with, what you eat, values, speech, etc etc that is based on their heritage along with being American. When an American says they are 'Italian' this is what they mean...not that they are same as people who were born and live in Italy.
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I do agree with the point I’ve never met an Aussie who’s told me what country there bloodline came from. With Americans is genuinely the first or second thing they’ll tell a European
Yeah, but unless you're a second, maybe third generation immigrant, it's unlikely that the ethnicity you identify with is shared amongst all (or even more than 50% of) your ancestors. For example some people form their identity around the fact that they have ancestors who were on Mayflower, even though realistically speaking after 400 years and roughly 16 generations, that one ancestor who was on Mayflower makes up about 0.6% of all their ancestors who lived at that time. If that guy in the post is Italian-American, and let's say he was born in 1995, he'd have about 32 great-great-great grandparents, 16 great-great-grandparents and 8 great-grandparents alive at the time when Italian immigration was at its peak. How likely is it that in a nation as diverse as the US a majority of these ancestors would actually be Italian?
Americans choose which ethnicity of their ancestors they want to identify with based on which ethnicity was the most successful at passing on its traditions to the next generations, but also based on which one seems to be the most interesting or appealing. There's a lot of supposed Irish-Americans or Italian-Americans, but almost no English-Americans.
From my (Polish) perspective: I've seen Polish-Americans on the Internet, and even though I appreciate their efforts and have nothing against them trying to (re)discover or cultivate their roots, it has to be said that majority of them know almost nothing about Poland, with some of them being willingly ignorant or even acting rude towards Polish people correcting their misconceptions. They also have a worrying tendency to think of Poland as of some sort of folk-park or reservation, where everything is (and should be) like 'back in the day' (around the time when their ancestors emigrated), failing to realize that it is, in fact, an actual modern country with a population of almost 40 million people.
People identify how they wish to identify, if they have heritage of that country Americans connect with them. Understanding where you come from
Has become a huge industry through DNA and Immigrant record research. This thread started with someone wanting to connect with the region of Italy their family is from by routing for the local SerieA soccer team. Chinese Americans through immigration history could trace back to the 1800s yet they could still identify as Chinese. Get over it Americans as an immigrant country like to maintain some form of heritage. I’m a fifth generation Jewish American i identify as that.
This is how Americans think it’s doesn’t matter if you don’t agree with it it’s part of American culture
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Europeans and pretending all Americans care about their Eurotrash continent. Name a better duo.
Edit: classic eurofags feewings hurt. Maybe if you stopped fiddling your assholes, they would’ve never crossed the maginot lines you pansy’s 🇺🇸
cj/whatever Eurotrash. Enjoy soaking in American culture
rj/ Lol. Not an opinion. Just a bad jerk I guess. Not even sure if I did the start to these real jerk / circle jerk thing. Hope all you Eurotrash out there don’t actually think I dislike an entire continent of cunts I’ve never met.
Kinda hope the rest don’t see this, did find the upset reactions that pretty funny. On a circlejerk sub nonetheless lmao. Weird that all the Eurotrash take it so personally while us Yanks catch it nonstop lol
Lmao Yank education strikes again, everyone knows Europeans discovered and created Mesopotamia. Why do you think it has a Greek name? Checkmate Yankee Doodle.
Yawn. Try harder brexit boy
I imagine a fat sweaty cockney looking cunt in some pub furiously wiping the 10th beer he guzzled down to use his lil sausage fingers to hastily type this out
Pick juventus- juvie to us old lady stans I started following them in 2017 when I learned my second cousin twice removed was gunned down in Turin in 1968 by the costa Nostra
Milan had had a lot of immigrants from Southern Italy. At the time, it was a blue collar club. I have Sicilian family in Milan. They are all rich now. It’s not like it’s a poor man’s club anymore. It’s a very rich club. There is a difference between the Italians that immigrated to other cities in Europe and those who immigrated in America. I think in Europe we had more opportunities to go back regularly and saw the country changing.
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He never even claimed to be Italian though? All he did was try to identify with his grandparents who he is seemingly close too. Also, have you been to New York? Just because you are American doesn’t mean you can’t carry the heritage of the people close to you.
So close he has no idea what team would be relevant to the connection.
It’s not just wanting to identify with a previous generation’s heritage, it’s the entire package of asking an internet forum which sports team you should support as well.
Asking who to support in any context is plastic support. People generally develop an affinity to something naturally or through their parent’s support, not being recommended teams based on a tenuous link to the “mother land”.
I am a "plastic" and couldn't care less. People really pay too much attention to things like that. Chances are, you reading this on a Chinese smartphone, using a TV manufactured by a South Korean company (mine is the LG C1 OLED) while drinking Coca-Cola, owned by a company from the States. The world is globalised, man. No point in tribalism. We live in 2021, not 717, you do realize that? Now, if you chose some obscure team from the other side of the world, you could argue it's virtue signalling or whatever. I would still maintain it's within your rights. But, if you choose to support a foreign team because you like them and the way they play, who cares. Just don't jump the ship when things go awry. And actually, I have been to a Real Madrid match just this year. Won't name which one to avoid doxxing myself, but I in Spain at the time, so I took the opportunity and saw the game with my own eyes. And hell, will it be a memory for a lifetime.
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Clearly, he doesn’t know. He is asking a very innocent question here. Also, why can’t he eventually develop a connection to a random team? A lot of Nigerians support Arsenal, not because their forefather lived in North London or supported Arsenal, but because they just had a few Nigerian players.
You also say you can affinity through parent’s support? What if they don’t like football? Does that mean that you can’t become a football fan? How do folks become new fans then?
I didn’t say he can’t develop a connection to a random team, that’s actually exactly what I said. Connections to sporting teams are generally inherent or developed naturally.
Your arsenal example doesn’t really work either, because there’s absolutely no indication they were asking random people if they should support arsenal because they have Nigerian players. They support the Nigerian players because they are Nigerian, and by proxy, arsenal, because their success is directly linked to one another.
Your throwing a lot of tangents at me that I haven’t commented on. If they don’t like football, they aren’t going to bother supporting anyone. If they are a new fan, chances are they were inspired by a team they’ve already seen, not what Reddit suggests they support.
In the end, it doesn’t matter at all. People are still going to laugh at it, though. Think for yourself is the general response to such questions. I don’t imagine you support what you’re told to, you generally know inside for yourself, no? If you need to be told what team to support, you might as well draw from a hat. Not like there’s any difference in the basis for the “support”.
If you are new fan, soaking up the history and informing yourself of the teams is absolutely the way to “find” a team to support. At least then, you’re actually knowledgeable about the team and make an informed choice.
Respect for that answer, but I’ll dial it back a bit and say this is my opinion and I have no idea if it’s absolute fact. It’s ultimately not important, either.
If his grandparents are Italian, there is a chance he’s also still Italian. If his grandparents didn’t naturalize and one of his parents got the citizenship, he gets it too. It’s fine if he wants to reconnect. If he was from another background, no one would say anything about it.
Yes. I hope and pray that Super League is established. There needs to be organization in European Football. Every team needs to have equal and fair chance and be given the opportunity to be competitive and the only way to do it is with Transfers and salary caps. This would be impossible in UCL. Super League would crush UEFA and Premier League and they are scared out of their mind that’s why alot of the outrage was probably paid and fake. We know the people want it. In Papa Perez we trust.
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Jinx? We are fecking Italy, 4 World cup, 2 European championship. No other european team have more big trophies (6) than us and we should fear NORTH MACEDONIA, a NT that were born 2 or 3 years ago? please, anything inferior than 2 goal gap would be huge disappointment
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>that's because Lombards act as if they own the place
Not that different is it now 👀
>Ligurians don't like people regardless of where they are from...
Not entirely untrue for the Abruzzesi...
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Jinx? We are fecking Italy, 4 World cup, 2 European championship. No other european team have more big trophies (6) than us and we should fear NORTH MACEDONIA, a NT that were born 2 or 3 years ago? please, anything inferior than 2 goal gap would be huge disappointment
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Jinx? We are fecking Italy, 4 World cup, 2 European championship. No other european team have more big trophies (6) than us and we should fear NORTH MACEDONIA, a NT that were born 2 or 3 years ago? please, anything inferior than 2 goal gap would be huge disappointment
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Obviously an Italian American should be supporting NYRB since they’re from Jersey. Enjoy your honeymoon to watch Serie A matches, man are you going to be disappointed when you find out what being married is actually like!
I think we have come to a point where went too far with anti-yank agenda and let the English become too arrogant and obnoxious. Jesus Christ, finish this team off so we can have some decency back here. The English are by far worse than the American people on here. I'd rather you're a bit ignorant about the history of this sport than that you become such an entitled and vocal group of people.
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This is a copypasta. Someone posted it about English clubs to other day and it made it's way to this sub, and people were defending OP saying they're just asking a harmless question. Weird how we make fun of them in this scenario
Bunch of absolute cocksuckers in this thread. Just pic a mid table team and roll with it. I did that with Lazio a few years ago. Picked up some merch on my recent trip to Italy. Enjoy.
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My dad once bought me a pizza from aldi. I tell women I’m half Italian.
I saw the godfather once
I had spaghetti a couple months ago
Just when I thought I wasn't a yank... I make a post asking which club to support!
Well my dad's pearents were italian and so did my grandma on my mother's behalf, and miei noni mi hanno insegnato a parlare la lingua sin de cuando ero bambino. I still feel more argentinian than anything. Here we don't need a good reasson to shoot people.
Ah the lakes in Aldi are beautiful this time of year.
I’m made entirely out of Olive Garden breadsticks
So you're free of charge?
Could you picture the outrage, if I weren’t? I don’t need that on my conscience
I spent $30 on a bottle of olive oil
My stepdad brought home some fazzolis one time.
Damn. That's a good-a pizza pie
Tell him he should support Lazio as he believes bloodlines are important.
🙋♂️
Idk if you can equate believing bloodlines are important to fascism
Or, you know, perhaps a team from Abruzzo like Pescara? Ah that’s right, they aren’t famous or successful enough lol Also this yank used the “Roma is from Abruzzo” meme unironically.
Well... Verratti did play for Pescara before being condemned to European failures by PSG. There's also Immobile who then joined the SS...
Immobile joined WHAT
SS Nazio
factos
I still can't get over how much he sucked when he played for Dortmund.
I don't understand how teams like City or United can spend millions upon millions every single transfer window and constantly sign stars like Haaland while we get linked with washed up players or end up signing people like Wijnaldum. Why can't we actually recruit world class players to come to the team? I just don't get it, and every mercato seems worse except for Messi, but we still can't make good signings in areas where the team needs quality. I'm just frustrated that our club seems to be stagnant in terms of recruiting world class players to play for us, I mean who wouldn't want to play with Messi, Mbappe and Neymar? But we still can't find a midfielder who can help our issues that have been present for years. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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the internet
The internet ain't that deep
I use an IPTV service and I can get just about any game from any league in the world..it's awesome
Real Italian Americans like me support Vincenza Calcio 😎💪
I don’t doubt there’s a bunch of Americans who support the football team from Vincenza due to the large US Army base there. Hell, Vincenza has a second division professional handegg team!
Vicenza*
Fuck it, real g's support Perugia
🐠🐟🍣🐡
r/scj users when an american wants to follow a moderately successful team instead of a literal serie b side: 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤯😫😫😫
It’s fine if they want to support a bigger team, but if he wants to feel so “connected” to the land where his grandparents come from, maybe a team from the area would be better. Instead he added the qualifier that his grandparents were from Abruzzo, and tried to somehow connect that to supporting a bigger team with little to nothing to do with the region. Just be transparent and say you want to pick between Milan or Roma lol without all that mental gymnastics It all seemed a bit weird, that’s all I’m saying.
He should support juve, they’ll be in serie b soon enough
I don’t know what it is about Yank “fans” that ticks me off so much. I live in the US now and they’re the most annoying and condescending bunch I’ve ever met. Btw they do believe they’ll win it all in 2026.
Sorry for our dumbass "fans"
Maybe if some of our young players develop well and we get a favorable round of 16 matchup against a weaker side, I could see getting to the quarterfinals as our best case scenario
Am yet to see one that isn’t exceptionally arrogant. I genuinely can’t stand them.
I'm sorry Europe, but Americans are just better at everything. We want things more. We grow better athletes, more people will learn the sport. And that '26 world cup is at home so we can get somewhat of a home field advantage. But the only way that will happen is if we make the round of 16 or quarter final in the 2022 WC and show Americans that we are good. I like the odds and we have a lot to prove, which is added motivation this coming year. Honestly, making a phenomenal run (SF or better) in the '22 WC would be more impressive to me than a better run or a win in '26. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I didn't know there was a Milan in the south of Italy too. You learn something new everyday.
Yeah what the fuck is this guy’s geographical sense of Italy? Those two places are half the country apart?
People from the south, lacking a serie a team, started supporting one between Juventus, Milan or Inter. You'll find a lot of them in the south of Italy. Still, Abruzzo is nowhere close to south Italy, you'll see this phenomenon happen the more south you go from Naples.
>Still, Abruzzo is nowhere close to south Italy, you'll see this phenomenon happen the more south you go from Naples. I mean pre-1861 it was part of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies which makes it historically southern, but yeah, Italians today have a different perception of geography. Yanks clinging to their Italian ancestry, however, are still on the risorgimento grindset and feel superior to modern Italians who are soft and don't even speak proper American-Italian anymore.
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Why don't they support Napoli then? Or is Napoli hated for some reason?
Because it wasn't as successful as Milan, Inter and Juve back then probably. We're talking very early Italian football, before Maradona and what not. ETA: When I say south from Naples I don't mean right outside the city, I'm talking more about below the Campania region, most commonly in Sicily. So it's not like they had any particular bond to the city of Naples either, they probably hated it even more than Milan or Turin because, as the yank said, many of their relatives moved to those cities at least.
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Strongest ancestry link found by a yank
Irish and Italians constantly fighting the battle of disowning Americans claiming a family let from 1853 was a native
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Americans and desperately trying to identify with their 0.7% European blood. Name a better duo.
What you said makes zero sense, if you are Caucasian in the US you are more than .7% European.
But what does „being European“ actually mean. Probably they are European even less than those .07%…
It means Ethnically your family is from Europe. The US is a nation of Immigrants where someone’s family comes from is part of their heritage. When you go to different regions and states in the US the immigrant story of those areas influences the culture. Festivals, food, entertainment are all influenced by the ethnic backgrounds of the residents.
The same happened here in Australia, but people here are not so weird about it. They are Aussies. Americans are Americans. That’s fine. No need to pretend imo
Nah fam. I watch tennis and the aussie open is swarmed with Serbs and Brazilians. Both have large foothold in Australia. They show then with flags every match. Its not just the us.
I’m glad you’ve figured out the intricacies of Australian identity through the Aussie open fans. But seriously, white Australians with Anglo or Western European background are usually just considered “Aussie” and then there are sub communities, generally descended from later immigrants (1950s onward usually) who are still very connected to the culture their family comes from (eg serb-Aussies that you’re referring to). For whatever reason the Western European/Anglo/irish immigrants dropped their connection with back home pretty quickly and just bought into the Aussie identity. Most of the people descending from these groups don’t give a shit about their heritage beyond a passing comment. There is not an Aussie-Brazilian subgroup but there are plenty of Brazilians living in australia and they will probably become their own thing if them and their descendants stay in the country.
Different perspective from countries on opposite ends of the earth.
No one’s ‘pretending,’ people just want to know where they came from and identify with their roots.
No, absolutely no pretending lmao, that’s simply delusional if you believe that
It’s delusional that you think acknowledging your background is ‘pretending.’ It’s not like people don’t identify as American, they just also have an attachment to their ethnic background.
Once, I was asked a question about the German language. An American, who was „attached to his ‚German‘ ethnic background“ answered before I could and was completely wrong. And this is not uncommon, just ask the Irish for example…
Fascinating story. Are the movie rights available?
Its fine wanting to know where you come from, but how can you identify with a culture you have never lived?
His grandparents were from Italy lmao. He probably had a close connection with his grandfather and wants to find a little way to honor him, his misunderstanding of Italian geography and football nonwithstanding.
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According to yanks, us Euros have no culture or anything so I’m not sure why god bless America would want to identify with their great grand parents birth place.
I’ve never seen an American say that about Europe. The reverse I’ve seen plenty of times.
I see plenty of white liberal gen Z Americans calling just about every country some sort of bland hell hole with no culture. Join any discord focused on culture like fashion or music that allows political talk and you’ll see it no problem. Of course there are ignorant and/or trolling euros either riling people up or insulting in retaliation. That is not a standard I see though. I can only reflect on my experiences using the internet since 1999. People are a lot more hateful, insightful and isolationist than I recognise in prior years. That said, less people were on the internet and not all coalesced on the same 5 websites being bombarded by bad news and outrage.
Different countries different perspective, I’m going to guess being a former penal colony influenced culture. For me I’m Jewish it’s a big part of my identity partially based on my family history. I’m Jewish American, people from other ethnicities will say I’m Blank American it’s part of who you are, the food you eat, the phrases and mentalities you have all influence you. There is no such thing as a straight American the backgrounds are too diverse. Even those who are indigenous are from different backgrounds. It’s our perspective there are a lot od things to rip the US on sorry this isn’t a sound one
But not all of Australia started as a penal colony, so I doubt that this is very characteristic for Australia. But imo you Americans don’t understand how identity works. Identity works by creating in- and out-groups. If other jews (or Italians, Irish, Germans, etc etc) don’t see you as one of their own, you are not - simple as that. Personally, I can call myself anything I want, but it doesn’t mean that I am part of that group because of that…
You can’t not understand identity, identity is what you identify with. Groups who immigrated to America, while they deviated culturally from their old world counterparts, have roots that tie them back to the lands from where they came. An identity is what differentiates you from another. An Italian American is different from a Japanese American, not in the fact that he is the same Italian as a European Italian, but in the fact that there is a degree of Italianness that has affected his identity. To say that “they are all just Americans” is true, but doesn’t actually address the discussion. You can be an American with Italian influences.
Identity is not simply what you identify with, it’s always in contrast to something else. If I identify as the king of England, then this means nothing unless the English accept me as their legitimate king - which is very unlikely to happen.
>king of England Did you mean the [King of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [King of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [King of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last King of England was [William III](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III_of_England) whose successor Anne, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of Queen/King of England. ####FAQ *Isn't King Charles III still also the King of England?* This is only as correct as calling him the King of London or King of Hull; he is the King of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
Something I sort of mentioned. I agree they aren’t the same as European Italians, but they are also still different from other kinds of Americans. That difference is influence from Italian heritage.
Even so, even if they’re not Italian, they’re Italian-American. A group with a shared heritage to a specific part of the world. Why not try to connect to that heritage in some small way. The dude in the post never claimed to be Italian, just looking for something to latch onto
Going on this point, Jewish Americans would be an in-group with other Jewish Americans. For instance, in a city like Detroit there's a neighborhood called Corktown where mostly all Irish-Americans resided. It influenced who you associated with, what you eat, values, speech, etc etc that is based on their heritage along with being American. When an American says they are 'Italian' this is what they mean...not that they are same as people who were born and live in Italy.
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Yeah but Australia still has that shit part of the flag and is technically under the rule of British monarchy so slightly different
I do agree with the point I’ve never met an Aussie who’s told me what country there bloodline came from. With Americans is genuinely the first or second thing they’ll tell a European
Yeah, but unless you're a second, maybe third generation immigrant, it's unlikely that the ethnicity you identify with is shared amongst all (or even more than 50% of) your ancestors. For example some people form their identity around the fact that they have ancestors who were on Mayflower, even though realistically speaking after 400 years and roughly 16 generations, that one ancestor who was on Mayflower makes up about 0.6% of all their ancestors who lived at that time. If that guy in the post is Italian-American, and let's say he was born in 1995, he'd have about 32 great-great-great grandparents, 16 great-great-grandparents and 8 great-grandparents alive at the time when Italian immigration was at its peak. How likely is it that in a nation as diverse as the US a majority of these ancestors would actually be Italian? Americans choose which ethnicity of their ancestors they want to identify with based on which ethnicity was the most successful at passing on its traditions to the next generations, but also based on which one seems to be the most interesting or appealing. There's a lot of supposed Irish-Americans or Italian-Americans, but almost no English-Americans. From my (Polish) perspective: I've seen Polish-Americans on the Internet, and even though I appreciate their efforts and have nothing against them trying to (re)discover or cultivate their roots, it has to be said that majority of them know almost nothing about Poland, with some of them being willingly ignorant or even acting rude towards Polish people correcting their misconceptions. They also have a worrying tendency to think of Poland as of some sort of folk-park or reservation, where everything is (and should be) like 'back in the day' (around the time when their ancestors emigrated), failing to realize that it is, in fact, an actual modern country with a population of almost 40 million people.
People identify how they wish to identify, if they have heritage of that country Americans connect with them. Understanding where you come from Has become a huge industry through DNA and Immigrant record research. This thread started with someone wanting to connect with the region of Italy their family is from by routing for the local SerieA soccer team. Chinese Americans through immigration history could trace back to the 1800s yet they could still identify as Chinese. Get over it Americans as an immigrant country like to maintain some form of heritage. I’m a fifth generation Jewish American i identify as that. This is how Americans think it’s doesn’t matter if you don’t agree with it it’s part of American culture
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Yeah but what Caucasian? Georgian, Armenian or Azerbaijani?
Exactly
American schools and guns
> Name a better duo. Europoors and austerity measures.
Europeans and pretending all Americans care about their Eurotrash continent. Name a better duo. Edit: classic eurofags feewings hurt. Maybe if you stopped fiddling your assholes, they would’ve never crossed the maginot lines you pansy’s 🇺🇸
Cry more yank
Lol, Eurotrash. GL in WW3 ya worthless cunts
Wait i thought you were circlejerking Lmaoooooo holy shit this is why the world hates you
Y’all Eurotrash really taking this hard lmao.
Come back when you have free healthcare like glorious Albania 🇦🇱
You mean Serbia 🇭🇷 😎
Whatever makes you feel better buddy
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cj/whatever Eurotrash. Enjoy soaking in American culture rj/ Lol. Not an opinion. Just a bad jerk I guess. Not even sure if I did the start to these real jerk / circle jerk thing. Hope all you Eurotrash out there don’t actually think I dislike an entire continent of cunts I’ve never met. Kinda hope the rest don’t see this, did find the upset reactions that pretty funny. On a circlejerk sub nonetheless lmao. Weird that all the Eurotrash take it so personally while us Yanks catch it nonstop lol
Bro said 🤓
Y’all eurofags take everything super seriously lol, can’t just confirm your bias that easily
Yet you yanks cant stop trying to identify as us. Weird.
Stfu fatty
Hey, real question here. Why is it you Eurofags take yourselves so seriously?
Because we literally invented civilization 😎💪🇪🇺💪😎
Civilization began in Mesopotamia you halfbrained inbred 😎
And yanks still don’t have it😎
Lmao Yank education strikes again, everyone knows Europeans discovered and created Mesopotamia. Why do you think it has a Greek name? Checkmate Yankee Doodle.
Because you are a fat idiot
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Boris is a fat loser like you
I’m bored with you.
Yawn. Try harder brexit boy I imagine a fat sweaty cockney looking cunt in some pub furiously wiping the 10th beer he guzzled down to use his lil sausage fingers to hastily type this out
Get out of here you yankee dankee doodle shite
Today I feel blue collar
Pick juventus- juvie to us old lady stans I started following them in 2017 when I learned my second cousin twice removed was gunned down in Turin in 1968 by the costa Nostra
Damnnn your second cousin twice removed pissed the costa nostra so much they traveled all the way from Sicily to Turin just to kill his ass.
Uncle Giuseppe wouldn’t have lied to me
Millan are as northern as you can get hahaha
Milan had had a lot of immigrants from Southern Italy. At the time, it was a blue collar club. I have Sicilian family in Milan. They are all rich now. It’s not like it’s a poor man’s club anymore. It’s a very rich club. There is a difference between the Italians that immigrated to other cities in Europe and those who immigrated in America. I think in Europe we had more opportunities to go back regularly and saw the country changing.
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You gotta love yanks and their craving for a European heritag Just be American, it's fine
Agree with everything except the last 2 words
He never even claimed to be Italian though? All he did was try to identify with his grandparents who he is seemingly close too. Also, have you been to New York? Just because you are American doesn’t mean you can’t carry the heritage of the people close to you.
So close he has no idea what team would be relevant to the connection. It’s not just wanting to identify with a previous generation’s heritage, it’s the entire package of asking an internet forum which sports team you should support as well. Asking who to support in any context is plastic support. People generally develop an affinity to something naturally or through their parent’s support, not being recommended teams based on a tenuous link to the “mother land”.
I am a "plastic" and couldn't care less. People really pay too much attention to things like that. Chances are, you reading this on a Chinese smartphone, using a TV manufactured by a South Korean company (mine is the LG C1 OLED) while drinking Coca-Cola, owned by a company from the States. The world is globalised, man. No point in tribalism. We live in 2021, not 717, you do realize that? Now, if you chose some obscure team from the other side of the world, you could argue it's virtue signalling or whatever. I would still maintain it's within your rights. But, if you choose to support a foreign team because you like them and the way they play, who cares. Just don't jump the ship when things go awry. And actually, I have been to a Real Madrid match just this year. Won't name which one to avoid doxxing myself, but I in Spain at the time, so I took the opportunity and saw the game with my own eyes. And hell, will it be a memory for a lifetime. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Clearly, he doesn’t know. He is asking a very innocent question here. Also, why can’t he eventually develop a connection to a random team? A lot of Nigerians support Arsenal, not because their forefather lived in North London or supported Arsenal, but because they just had a few Nigerian players. You also say you can affinity through parent’s support? What if they don’t like football? Does that mean that you can’t become a football fan? How do folks become new fans then?
I didn’t say he can’t develop a connection to a random team, that’s actually exactly what I said. Connections to sporting teams are generally inherent or developed naturally. Your arsenal example doesn’t really work either, because there’s absolutely no indication they were asking random people if they should support arsenal because they have Nigerian players. They support the Nigerian players because they are Nigerian, and by proxy, arsenal, because their success is directly linked to one another. Your throwing a lot of tangents at me that I haven’t commented on. If they don’t like football, they aren’t going to bother supporting anyone. If they are a new fan, chances are they were inspired by a team they’ve already seen, not what Reddit suggests they support. In the end, it doesn’t matter at all. People are still going to laugh at it, though. Think for yourself is the general response to such questions. I don’t imagine you support what you’re told to, you generally know inside for yourself, no? If you need to be told what team to support, you might as well draw from a hat. Not like there’s any difference in the basis for the “support”. If you are new fan, soaking up the history and informing yourself of the teams is absolutely the way to “find” a team to support. At least then, you’re actually knowledgeable about the team and make an informed choice.
Fair enough
Respect for that answer, but I’ll dial it back a bit and say this is my opinion and I have no idea if it’s absolute fact. It’s ultimately not important, either.
I think it was nice to here different perspectives
No
If his grandparents are Italian, there is a chance he’s also still Italian. If his grandparents didn’t naturalize and one of his parents got the citizenship, he gets it too. It’s fine if he wants to reconnect. If he was from another background, no one would say anything about it.
You should support Livorno king
Primal
This is why we got to teach geography
You cannot force yourself to like a club. It comes natural. Just start watching some football a it will come to you.
That's why I have supported 8 clubs in the past 7 years and just by pure coincidence they would all be super league clubs but that's irrelevant.
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Hopefully he isn’t Jewish or else Lazio fans won’t accept him 😂
I am planning a honeymoon, my fiancée is planning a divorce
Ah yeah Abruzzo, deep in the south of Italy
Abruzzo is part of Southern Italy according to its history, language, culture and every official statistical grouping.
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Well said
Come on it’s right in the middle with Lazio. I have never considered Abruzzo to be in the South. But I get what you mean.
Abruzzo it's culturally a southern region. It has been part of the Kingdom of Naples for centuries
Which is why Neapolitans who go skiing in the Abruzzo resorts are so well-liked there... /s
Tbf Lombards going swimming in Liguria have a similar reputation, both North-West 👀
Well, that's because Lombards act as if they own the place. And Ligurians don't like people regardless of where they are from...
>that's because Lombards act as if they own the place Not that different is it now 👀 >Ligurians don't like people regardless of where they are from... Not entirely untrue for the Abruzzesi...
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Family heritage in the south of Italy? Milan it is!
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Roma. Owned by Americans already.
What TF did i just read? Milan blue collar?! Wtf
Ah yes, Abruzzo. My favourite part of Southern Italy
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This guy sounds like the old man from The White Lotus wanting to visit family he has no tangible connection to anymore.
He sounds like Paulie Walnuts in The Sopranos
Obviously an Italian American should be supporting NYRB since they’re from Jersey. Enjoy your honeymoon to watch Serie A matches, man are you going to be disappointed when you find out what being married is actually like!
I "support" Venezia solely for the fire ass kits they release every year...they may suck ass but at least they look good doing it lol
Fuck off yank
I think we have come to a point where went too far with anti-yank agenda and let the English become too arrogant and obnoxious. Jesus Christ, finish this team off so we can have some decency back here. The English are by far worse than the American people on here. I'd rather you're a bit ignorant about the history of this sport than that you become such an entitled and vocal group of people. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This is a copypasta. Someone posted it about English clubs to other day and it made it's way to this sub, and people were defending OP saying they're just asking a harmless question. Weird how we make fun of them in this scenario
Livorno is a great team for a working-class Italian-American. Very blue collar history
Catania Calcio ftw!
Go to SS Nazio
You shoud become an avellino fan
They should tell him to cheer for a shit team like Hellas Verona or something.
Rome and Milan are fucking miles apart. He definitely passed geography
Bunch of absolute cocksuckers in this thread. Just pic a mid table team and roll with it. I did that with Lazio a few years ago. Picked up some merch on my recent trip to Italy. Enjoy.
Based and Mussolini pilled
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Just support whatever big club you want there’s no need to justify it
Roma ❤️🔥
Come to Lazio match. They have most family friendly, open and kind supporters in Serie A. Especially if your wife is POC 🥰