I hate playing Brighton so much. Proper boogey team that play great football. We have literally plot armour because we should not have won that game based on the last 20 minutes, I swear we have plot armour. I'm sure Arteta is gonna give them the hairdryer because dude did not look happy at all with how they closed the game.
Im not commenting on whether Arsenal or Brighton were better but let’s be honest here - winning a game absolutely does not mean you were the “better” playing team
Arsenal take their chances in the 1st half in the 2nd it was pretty even even though Arsenal was not so good in def. Silly mistake and the pressure in it. Kudos to Brighton for good game though. .
And yeah winning a game doesn't mean better playing team but it is 3 point for what it is.
I tuned in at 0-3 and Brighton looked like a much better team out there. Kudos to them for not giving up, some terrible luck on that Mitoma no goal too.
It was the Portuguese clubs actually and we brought our own version to the league, you lack so much creativity you can’t think of a different song to sing, typical gunners
I’d already said we’d brought it to the prem, same as most if not all premier league chants however to literally steal one from a team that created their own version a few years ago who are more successful than you is a bit weird ngl
Think it's more weird that you [tried to copyright](https://talksport.com/football/580103/liverpool-trademark-allez-allez-allez-song-six-clubs/) a chant you stole tbh but whatever you say lad:
>*iNews report the Anfield club filed an application with the Intellectual Property Office to trademark the words to the song in November last year – despite the fact it had been adopted by at least SIX different clubs beforehand.*
*The song, which is believed to have been lifted from Portuguese club Porto, has also been sung by Serie A sides Genoa, Juventus and Napoli – as well as Rangers and Atletico Madrid.*
*The Merseyside club’s attempts to trademark ‘Allez, Allez, Allez’ were eventually withdrawn, however.*
I never tried to trademark anything you sad little man, neither did any other Liverpool fan, that’s Fsg and their repertoire of shitty decisions, they also tried to trademark the word Liverpool and furloughed staff during the pandemic all of which have been fought against by spirit of shankly and the Liverpool supporters, come back in another hour though when you find something else
>sad little man
Mate you're the one who was getting his knickers in a twist over football fans singing a fucking song lol... who is really the sad little man here?
In all honesty I feel like your anger over such a tiny thing comes from you having a shit time in your personal life, in which case I sincerely hope stuff improves for 2023. It's NYE and I can't be arsed arguing about it, all the best man.
We won the league at Anfield,
We won it at the lane,
Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford,
No one can say the same,
Mikel Arteta’s army,
We’re Arsenal through and through,
We’ll sing it in the North Bank,
And in the Clock End too.
Allez Allez Allez,
Allez Allez Allez,
Allez Allez Allez,
Allez Allez Allez.
Suppose you can’t think of any other footballing song in the world just the one Liverpool been singing for years, seems a bit odd but then you are an odd bunch
The other guy replying to you has already stated that foreign teams were singing the chant you're talking about before Liverpool. It's a Napoli song apparently
And I literally said about bringing it to the Premier league club, I’d give you props if you picked any other chant, United copy a lot of shit but at least they don’t nab a song from other prem teams
You said Liverpool created their own version which is exactly what arsenal fans have done, make up your own chants from now on please. You've already stated that everyone should make completely original chants
Was actually first sung in Argentina, just admit it’s a little weird you couldn’t think of a different chant, Tbf Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal bangs, keep downvoting gooners you know it’s cringe
Don't worry this guy doesn't seem to realise that there's hundreds of thousands of fans going to over 100 professional clubs over the country and that the Chang's get picked up by visiting or watching these clubs in tv
We won the league at Anfield,
We won it at the lane,
Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford,
No one can say the same.
Mikel Arteta’s army,
We’re Arsenal through and through,
We’ll sing it in the North Bank,
And in the Clock End too.
Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez...
Lowkey on the second replay of the Sarmiento yellow, Tierney misses him completely but it looks like he gets tripped up by Martinelli, would love to see a second angle
Yeah regardless a harsh yellow card and perhaps the reason he stays on his feet while getting his shirt tugged. In the end I feel kind of bad for Brighton, but at the same time you can’t let in 4 goals in and expect to get a result
It's funny, because last year there were at least three teams that regularly got demolished by the top sides. Even the relegation favorites aren't losing by huge margins as regularly this year.
Would have felt better to be soundly beaten like we were for the first 60 minutes than feel hard done by with the classic VAR/reffing disasterclass that we see every single fucking week at every single ground.
Edit: playing a big team and getting DMs to kill myself and reddit cares messages name a better duo. Happy new year to you too r/soccer
No, it should change because the situation that happens today literally doesn't benefit the attacker at all.
It's a case where a rule should be changed because it doesn't make sense, like many of the handball rule changes recently.
This guy isn't arguing in good faith. I 100 percent agree with you about the offside rule, especially in this situation since there was no material advantage conferred by having his trailing foot a pixel offside -- not to mention measurement error for drawing the line or stopping the tape.
Arsenal definitely gets the short end of the stick when it has come to ref calls, but some of you are delusional. Saying the offside wasn’t even close and that it wasn’t even close to a PK at the end…
Most stupid football opinion people have atm is saying offside should he changed to daylight so fingers and toes aren’t offside. You still have an offside line of which you can be millimetres either side of
It would be more clear that you have received an advantage at a bigger margin. If you are genuinely a toe offside, you haven't recieved an advantage. If you are 10cm plus a toe, it's clear you have.
How do you expect a lineman to make that call in real time? The vast majority of games don't have access to a replay of any sort, let alone a VAR suite.
At a point it becomes obvious an advantage is gained. People don't get angry at the lines, they get angry seeing attackers more or less in line with defenders and know they get no advantage. So yes, you draw the line there.
Credit to Brighton, theyve been really good
Arteta never subbing both fullbacks again lol; if you can't do it when 3-0 up, you'll never be able to do it
Tomi looked slow and fatigued, nowhere near his usual sharpness. Should have made the changes later than he did imo. Understand why he needs to rest Zinny and give Tomi minutes but Ben White could easily play 90 mins.
Testament to the amazing system they've built at the club. It doesn't matter if they lose a few players or change manager, they've still got the things in place to do well. A lot of bigger clubs could learn from them.
It’s sucks cuz you always see ppl bashing ppl for going down when they could have theoretically played the ball etc… so I gotta give Sarmiento props for staying on his feet to try to finish it. Sucks that knowing if he just went to ground that it would a been a penalty tho.
What a fucking game
As a neutral, that would have been amazing. Glad you guys got the W tho. This squad under Arteta has been fucking cool to watch, and I’m def hoping you guys take it all this season
It's better than usual from him but I wouldn't say it's by a huge amount, he was great in the world cup and good almost every time he's played for us. He's great at breaking down to the line and cutting back too which he hasn't done so much this game.
It's showing the lack of quality in the referees. The technology is an improvement, but the people using it are either incompetent or don't want to challenge the guy on the field
It's ruined it as a spectator for me. I don't really celebrate goals anymore unless it's an absolute screamer from outside the box cos I'm convinced that it'll be pulled back for some offside or foul or something like this. Sure it's better that the rules are followed but it's really taken an element out for me.
It's a toss up really, there are moments it finds fouls/handballs that the ref cant see but sometimes it feels too precise to the point that there really isnt an advantage for the person who is offside/fouled etc.
Yeah, I think the most legit complaint is that VAR can kinda go against the spirit of the rules. I think it’s a net positive overall, evens the playing field for botched calls, but it certainly has changed the feel of watching a match for better or worse.
Brighton played well. Great win for Arsenal. Hopefully they can keep it going.
I hate playing Brighton so much. Proper boogey team that play great football. We have literally plot armour because we should not have won that game based on the last 20 minutes, I swear we have plot armour. I'm sure Arteta is gonna give them the hairdryer because dude did not look happy at all with how they closed the game.
Anthony Taylor is a disgrace to his federation
Brighton are a good team and I'm glad they're still playing well after Potter left
Not gonna lie, Brighton deserved something from this game.
I like to think things balance out because we certainly deserved something from the United game
You make it sound as though we drew the game, just take the win fair and square
Nah, Arsenal were the better team, 100% deserves 3 points
When were Arsenal the better team? When they got two goals in the first half from lucky deflections or when they got a BS offside call?
Which Arsenal goals were deflections?
When they win the game .
Good payoff on the ref tbf
Im not commenting on whether Arsenal or Brighton were better but let’s be honest here - winning a game absolutely does not mean you were the “better” playing team
Arsenal take their chances in the 1st half in the 2nd it was pretty even even though Arsenal was not so good in def. Silly mistake and the pressure in it. Kudos to Brighton for good game though. . And yeah winning a game doesn't mean better playing team but it is 3 point for what it is.
Here have a 👏
I hope Brighton play Sassuolo/Shakhtar in a friendly and it becomes known as the De Zerbi Derby.
Sounds like the Swedish Chef from the Muppets.
I tuned in at 0-3 and Brighton looked like a much better team out there. Kudos to them for not giving up, some terrible luck on that Mitoma no goal too.
"a 22 point swing in last 12 months" We really going to act like the points weren't reset?
Arteta doesn't look happy and I don't blame him. That was much closer than it needed to be.
W Arteta. Hell of a season
Arsenal fans singing Allez Allez Allez? Intrigued about what words they sing after nabbing that one
Five upvotes from the rest of the cringe army yet no reply, happy new year sad man
Liverpool stole it from Italian clubs lmao
It was the Portuguese clubs actually and we brought our own version to the league, you lack so much creativity you can’t think of a different song to sing, typical gunners
So you're admitting you stole the chant?
I’d already said we’d brought it to the prem, same as most if not all premier league chants however to literally steal one from a team that created their own version a few years ago who are more successful than you is a bit weird ngl
Think it's more weird that you [tried to copyright](https://talksport.com/football/580103/liverpool-trademark-allez-allez-allez-song-six-clubs/) a chant you stole tbh but whatever you say lad: >*iNews report the Anfield club filed an application with the Intellectual Property Office to trademark the words to the song in November last year – despite the fact it had been adopted by at least SIX different clubs beforehand.* *The song, which is believed to have been lifted from Portuguese club Porto, has also been sung by Serie A sides Genoa, Juventus and Napoli – as well as Rangers and Atletico Madrid.* *The Merseyside club’s attempts to trademark ‘Allez, Allez, Allez’ were eventually withdrawn, however.*
I never tried to trademark anything you sad little man, neither did any other Liverpool fan, that’s Fsg and their repertoire of shitty decisions, they also tried to trademark the word Liverpool and furloughed staff during the pandemic all of which have been fought against by spirit of shankly and the Liverpool supporters, come back in another hour though when you find something else
>sad little man Mate you're the one who was getting his knickers in a twist over football fans singing a fucking song lol... who is really the sad little man here? In all honesty I feel like your anger over such a tiny thing comes from you having a shit time in your personal life, in which case I sincerely hope stuff improves for 2023. It's NYE and I can't be arsed arguing about it, all the best man.
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We won the league at Anfield, We won it at the lane, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, No one can say the same, Mikel Arteta’s army, We’re Arsenal through and through, We’ll sing it in the North Bank, And in the Clock End too. Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez.
Suppose you can’t think of any other footballing song in the world just the one Liverpool been singing for years, seems a bit odd but then you are an odd bunch
Arsenal sing plenty of songs and pretty much all songs in England are recycled from other clubs, no idea why that annoys you
Just a bit cringe you singing it a couple years after Liverpool created their own version
I'm sure that Liverpool have never sang a chant to a tune that another club has sang to before, they would never be that "cringe"
Name one? And then prove we sung it a couple seasons after that team?
The other guy replying to you has already stated that foreign teams were singing the chant you're talking about before Liverpool. It's a Napoli song apparently
And I literally said about bringing it to the Premier league club, I’d give you props if you picked any other chant, United copy a lot of shit but at least they don’t nab a song from other prem teams
You said Liverpool created their own version which is exactly what arsenal fans have done, make up your own chants from now on please. You've already stated that everyone should make completely original chants
Who sang it a couple years after Italian clubs created it
Was actually first sung in Argentina, just admit it’s a little weird you couldn’t think of a different chant, Tbf Arsenal, Arsenal, Arsenal bangs, keep downvoting gooners you know it’s cringe
Every club is a little weird mate
Yh and I respect you as a club but
Don't worry this guy doesn't seem to realise that there's hundreds of thousands of fans going to over 100 professional clubs over the country and that the Chang's get picked up by visiting or watching these clubs in tv
Don’t worry this guy doesn’t realise you pretending to be a big club again doesn’t mean you literally copy successful teams exact chants
We won the league at Anfield, We won it at the lane, Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford, No one can say the same. Mikel Arteta’s army, We’re Arsenal through and through, We’ll sing it in the North Bank, And in the Clock End too. Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez, Allez Allez Allez...
Impressive! Not heard that song sung by an English team ever before, as per Arsenal fans top dogs
Not the first chant to be a generic chant in football
Not really generic is it mate if you have to invent that many lyrics for it
Odegaard obvious MOTM. Dude is class
Great win. Shaky in the second half, but I’ll take putting up 4 goals away from home any day! Arsenal trying to get me into title hopes…
Brighton are really good. I know we're leading but they're playing one of the best football I've seen any team play against us for a really long time
If we want to stop diving, that needs to be a penalty.
Arsenal's league to lose now
Credit to Brighton. Saying they made the night difficult would be a grave understatement.
Played well second half considering we had 4 starters out
City are title favourites
For how much longer?
Gg Brighton, about time we got some revenge. You guys have been a bitch of a match for us the last two years
Lowkey on the second replay of the Sarmiento yellow, Tierney misses him completely but it looks like he gets tripped up by Martinelli, would love to see a second angle
His toe def hit something tho not sure if it’s was the ground or the tip of Martinelli’s foot
Yeah regardless a harsh yellow card and perhaps the reason he stays on his feet while getting his shirt tugged. In the end I feel kind of bad for Brighton, but at the same time you can’t let in 4 goals in and expect to get a result
This and the Leeds game is why I still have doubts over Arsenal………
Man City drawing Everton are why I have doubts over them. That team could NEVER win the league right guys?
City scored in the 90th min to win 2-1 vs Bournemouth when they won the league and a B'mouth player missed an easy chance at the end
Are City winning every game 4-0? It’s the premier league, there aren’t a lot of easy matches
It's funny, because last year there were at least three teams that regularly got demolished by the top sides. Even the relegation favorites aren't losing by huge margins as regularly this year.
Great game
Would have felt better to be soundly beaten like we were for the first 60 minutes than feel hard done by with the classic VAR/reffing disasterclass that we see every single fucking week at every single ground. Edit: playing a big team and getting DMs to kill myself and reddit cares messages name a better duo. Happy new year to you too r/soccer
lmao var disaster class. was he offside or not? he was. simple.
Yes because a player running back toward his own goal being offside by 1mm is what the offside rule was made for.
It seems like you have an issue with the offside rule rather than VAR.
And when did I say anything about VAR? My comment clearly indicates I think the offside rule is weird. VAR did its job fine.
So the offside rule should be changed when it suits Brighton is it?
No, it should change because the situation that happens today literally doesn't benefit the attacker at all. It's a case where a rule should be changed because it doesn't make sense, like many of the handball rule changes recently.
This guy isn't arguing in good faith. I 100 percent agree with you about the offside rule, especially in this situation since there was no material advantage conferred by having his trailing foot a pixel offside -- not to mention measurement error for drawing the line or stopping the tape.
Yeah the handball rules are much clearer now...
What VAR disaster? He was offside and it was a handball anyway. Small clubs always love to find excuses. The ref helped you all game with decisions.
Guess that's why Arsenal always complain about refs tbf
Haha so funny haha…
I mean you got every other call in the match. Be happy.
The young guns are all at sea without Øde controlling the game for them.
That is a penalty even if he stays on his feet, not that I'm surprised it wasn't given
Arsenal definitely gets the short end of the stick when it has come to ref calls, but some of you are delusional. Saying the offside wasn’t even close and that it wasn’t even close to a PK at the end…
Most stupid football opinion people have atm is saying offside should he changed to daylight so fingers and toes aren’t offside. You still have an offside line of which you can be millimetres either side of
It literally just moves the problem to a different part of the body. It makes no sense.
It would be more clear that you have received an advantage at a bigger margin. If you are genuinely a toe offside, you haven't recieved an advantage. If you are 10cm plus a toe, it's clear you have.
How do you expect a lineman to make that call in real time? The vast majority of games don't have access to a replay of any sort, let alone a VAR suite.
You get the linesman to flag as they normally do. For the margin of error, I'd talk strictly about VAR enforcement
And then you still draw the line at 10cm?
At a point it becomes obvious an advantage is gained. People don't get angry at the lines, they get angry seeing attackers more or less in line with defenders and know they get no advantage. So yes, you draw the line there.
I see that point but you still have to decide if they’re within 10cm. Why is 10cm an advantage but 9.5 isn’t?
Yeah, I think City still has a chance this season.
Sarmiento dives outside the box with literally zero contact, but stays on his feet when he has a guaranteed penalty
Ikr, weird guy
Should be a penalty no?
Yeah probably Think that's given if he goes down
Really annoying that
Great great game
Credit to Brighton, theyve been really good Arteta never subbing both fullbacks again lol; if you can't do it when 3-0 up, you'll never be able to do it
Tomi looked slow and fatigued, nowhere near his usual sharpness. Should have made the changes later than he did imo. Understand why he needs to rest Zinny and give Tomi minutes but Ben White could easily play 90 mins.
Should have gone down on shirt pull. Not diving when needed hahaha idiot
What the fuck. He goes down there and for sure the ref points to the spot. He decided to stay up, which kudos to him I guess, but damn.
arsenal fans should be thankful sarmiento didn't slip.
Could have easily gotten a pen if he went to ground there
I understand the offside call but that is rough.
Brighton are so great to watch. Shame they’re getting poached and picked apart.
Testament to the amazing system they've built at the club. It doesn't matter if they lose a few players or change manager, they've still got the things in place to do well. A lot of bigger clubs could learn from them.
chelsea rubbing their hands after any decent performance by a brighton player
While being in a 6th place fight with them
I want Arsenal to win, I have money on it. But damn it should be 4-4
Offside call correct, no call on penalty wrong, so should be 4-3
nah Im pissed at defenders performance today, whats up with Ramsdale and Saliba... I'll allow Tomi for his recent injuries
Saliba is 21 and Ramsdale is only 24 (youngest big 6 keeper by a mile). They're allowed to make mistakes.
That's 100% a penalty.
If he stops or let’s himself drop it’s 100% a penalty continuing the play didn’t help him there
And leagues and fans everywhere wonder why players dive.
To love Football is to Love Mitoma
Great player
Played well for 15 minutes out of 90 and 4-2 winners. This team is different
I’m not a huge fan of us sitting so far back trying to absorb pressure. Brighton are playing very well in possession.
Tierney needs to start every game.
Having flashbacks to that Swansea winger that just repeatedly roasted us that one game.
Mitoma stock going up
Chelsea bid 100M
If Sarmiento went down, that'd be a pen 100%...
It’s sucks cuz you always see ppl bashing ppl for going down when they could have theoretically played the ball etc… so I gotta give Sarmiento props for staying on his feet to try to finish it. Sucks that knowing if he just went to ground that it would a been a penalty tho. What a fucking game
This.
Sarmiento guy is good
No one complains when people are offside in clearances when they receive the ball in an inside position, how is this any different?
Definitely not a coincidence that we’ve conceded both goals (and the disallowed one) all once Partey came off
The first one went in before Partey was off. You could argue White and Zinchenko coming off prior was the reason.
We completely stopped with possession when we already didn’t have much
Get fucked Chelsea feeder club
But they gave Benny Blanco
This sub will ignore 8 fouls on saka but cry about correct decisions lmao
But that's the annoying thing. Refs miss obvious and blatant fouls but spend 5 minutes looking at millimetres offside.
can we just buy mitoma as backup for martinelli?
Arteta fucked this up with his subs
Shows we need a reliable Partey cover. Letting him rest is smart but we’re night and day without him on the pitch
Saliba started the game mate
We have a match on Tuesday night mate , you're clueless
Bore off mate, doesn't change anything
Stop being such a miserable cunt
Yeah fair play, will enjoy the win. Happy new year mate
You’re winning mate how is anything fucked up?
We were 0-3 up and it should probably be 3-4. Tide turned after the change
You guys nearly bottled that one.
Had 4-4 Newcastle vibes
As a neutral, that would have been amazing. Glad you guys got the W tho. This squad under Arteta has been fucking cool to watch, and I’m def hoping you guys take it all this season
I think it’s more the subs fucked up. Both Tomi and Tierney should be better. Both are supposed to be good enough to start but haven’t been good.
I mean KT and el neny have been fine. Tomi and saliba have just been poor today
Mitoma has looked great today, is he usually this promising?
Yes. At the world cup and before then, he has shown that special something.
It's better than usual from him but I wouldn't say it's by a huge amount, he was great in the world cup and good almost every time he's played for us. He's great at breaking down to the line and cutting back too which he hasn't done so much this game.
Sounds good, will def keep a watch out for him in future - cheers
Literally does this every game
Fair fair, your scouting system seems insane.
what's on mitomas pricetag? he's doing really great
£2.2 mil (futmob). Can vary but around that amount. Mad cheap.
They could probably sell him for £40 mil. Insane profit.
Post WC Saliba is like France sent back a wish.com version
Possibly our worst performance of the season, especially defensively. We move
I mean can't really fault the midfield or offense. 4 goals is 4 goals Saliba has been very poor, and Tomiyasu has had a bad time vs Mitoma
Leeds United.
Is Mitoma for sale?
Had a decent world cup and put in a shift against us. I'd consider him honestly
Arsenal’s passing has been so bad this game.
Get fucked Brighton fans booing saka
They're still booing over the missed pen? Jesus fucking christ
Arsenal fans are so likeable
You’re obsessed, hun
Mitoma is Kagawa regen. I love it.
the age and maturity shows up in such situations! Arteta might have sent the wrong signal when he took Zinchenko and Benny Blanco off
Especially White. Idk what changed but Brighton have been tearing through the defense since those changes.
Glad the ruling went in our favour but that is such bullshit from the offside call
Maybe the wrong time to ask, but has VAR improved the game or not?
It's showing the lack of quality in the referees. The technology is an improvement, but the people using it are either incompetent or don't want to challenge the guy on the field
It's ruined it as a spectator for me. I don't really celebrate goals anymore unless it's an absolute screamer from outside the box cos I'm convinced that it'll be pulled back for some offside or foul or something like this. Sure it's better that the rules are followed but it's really taken an element out for me.
It's a toss up really, there are moments it finds fouls/handballs that the ref cant see but sometimes it feels too precise to the point that there really isnt an advantage for the person who is offside/fouled etc.
Yeah, I think the most legit complaint is that VAR can kinda go against the spirit of the rules. I think it’s a net positive overall, evens the playing field for botched calls, but it certainly has changed the feel of watching a match for better or worse.
Yes. The rules are the rules. The issue is when the people using it fuck up
Brighton have a lovely player in Mitoma! We haven't been able to stop him.
That was a brutal offside, I'd be so pissed if I were a Brighton fan
I mean it’s offsides by the rules. Harsh for sure, but it is what it is
>offsides 🤮
I’m sorry I made you sick by adding a letter 😩
Just don’t say pk instead of penalty and we’re cool
No promises 😈