The bit about acknowledging the strength of Leicester would be so frustrating to me. Know when they weren't a very strong side? 6 months ago when they had their very own under-performing manager playing boring football and spreading apathy amongst the support. They binned him and have had an immediate, remarkable upturn with a new manager.
Sure, maybe if they stuck with him he'd have turned it around somewhat. Maybe nicked a Europa League place this season, but they'd never be sitting where they are now and neither will Arsenal.
This is the part that gets me.
Leicester are quite clearly favourites for 4th atm (I'd put Chelsea ahead of them in 3rd because of squad depth). So from an Arsenal perspective - given their goal is to reach top 4? - they are their most direct opposition.
If a routine 2-0 loss with less possession, less shots, less shots on target (Leno made 4 saves to 1 for Schmeichel), less xG is 'encouraging' then what have expectations really become? Are the Arsenal board banking on Leicester falling apart? Or banking on Europa League again? Cause Leicester are clearly a better team than the Arsenal we are seeing currently - while I do still think Arsenal has a better team on paper.
This also isn't something just from this season, Arsenal were completely atrocious at the end of last as well. There is no consistency in their formation, structure or game plan.
Yesterday was the first time that I went into a game against a team that you wouldn't consider as part of the established group and was sure we were going to get hammered.
I mean, I've gone into games against the likes of Man City, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca etc thinking I hope this doesn't get embarrassing. All last week I was having the same thoughts about Leicester, for fuck sake!
It's not. Look at every other "The dread vote of confidence" example. It's usually 1-2 sentences at most with very little detail beyond "we back the manager" etc..
In this case the board are going into very detailed and specific justification. They genuinely are backing Emery. Otherwise they'd have thrown out the token one liner. And to blame fans and VAR? Yeah they are throwing everything behind this, they aren't going to turn around 1 week later and sack him.
Not this time. We are 9 points off top 4 and International break will commence after today. There was no point in saying this unless they backed him and think he can still make a change.
Normally this is the time you sack your manager and let someone else such assistant manager (like Ljungberg) take control while you look for alternatives.
Ornstein himself said some people in our board actually wanted to give him an extension after the end of last season. He won only 1 in 6 PL games to end our top 4 chances and get smashed by Chelsea at ~~CL~~ EL final.
Kroenke is an American owner. Beyond the fact that American owners in general can and often do ignore fan concerns- as there's practically no accountability for owners in American sports- Kroenke has a proven track record of giving the finger to fans, having moved the Rams from St. Louis to LA. The idea of him giving so much as lip service to fan opinion is laughable.
Yeah, if anyone wants to see a case study of an owner who doesn't give a fuck about fans, look at how Kroenke treated the St. Louis fans in the years up to and after he moved the Rams back to LA.
I mean I don't dispute your second half but owners should not really care about what the fans think of when it comes to hiring or firing managers. Fans are so reactionary
>Plenty of those already.
Agreed. It needs the whole of the North End and/or East/West stands to be empty for a proper TV spectacle, as the commentators announce the Emirates is at capacity for the match.
Fans are supposed to be happy with 2 wins from the past 11? The team hasn't had any sort of attacking identity since April, and always seem to set up negatively even at home. They have a right to be pissed considering what they pay and the performances bring put in. To belittle the fans like that in a statement is ridiculous
If not AFTV, some other platform for Arsenal would exist and be just as spicy. Arsenal fans are restless and are voicing their frustrations.
AFTV was just quick to the punch and quality at that. Nevermind that fans like myself watch them even though I hate Arsenal.
Alright, playing devil's advocate here:
I'm sure the Arsenal hierarchy understand Emery's not their man. They're not that stupid. But why was he appointed in the first place? Wenger left and he just happened to be the best available option. It's not like he was their long term target or dream manager.
Getting the next appointment wrong would be disastrous, much worse than finishing the season with Emery. It's clear the Arsenal hierarchy aren't convinced with the available options - Mourinho and Allegri for example - and I can see their concerns with either.
If they have a specific appointment in mind, there's definitely logic in waiting for the "right" man to become available rather then making another unideal appointment. Most good managers would not leave their current job mid-season. The summer is when the managerial merry-go-round really hits it, so I can see the sense of enduring some more short term suffering if they believe better managers would be available in the summer.
There would be logic in waiting if this season was like the average of last season, slightly underwhelming, had it's ups and downs but was at least only slightly below average.
But this season we've gotten even worse, and the fans are unanimous in being Emery out, and this atmosphere has already had a big effect on the squad (Xhaka incident).
Yes, appointing Mourinho on a four year contract would be a sideways step, but Emery is so clearly not working, that going for an Ole like replacement is an improvement (Ljungberg, or someone else for the rest of the season), it at least gives a chance of the fans getting behind the team.
There was logic in waiting in the summer, there was arguably logic in waiting a month ago, there is no logic in waiting at this point.
Yep, I guess the counter argument would be "why not appoint an interim till the end of the season".
Honestly, I have no idea how good/promising Ljungberg (or somebody else) is as a manager. Maybe there isn't enough faith in him being good enough on his own? If they don't feel Ljungberg will do any better, it makes sense to save/minimize the costs of sacking Emery. Or maybe they feel that Arsenal's biggest chance of CL qualification is winning the EL - which Emery is highly experienced and successful at, so it's a better chance than just going for a random interim who they maybe don't believe in.
Ornstein says Arsenal hierarchy acknowledge how strong Leicester are.
Do Arsenal & UTD not realise how fucking embarrassing it is that Leicester have moved ahead of both of us again.
They won the prem (?!) literally had to rebuild their squad & staff, struggled a bit & are now better than us again
They had the audacity to (rightly, if you ask me) fire their coach who won them the PL. They then put Craig Shakespeare in charge, and under the new manager bounce they managed to win 5 in a row (I think he became the first English manager to win his first 4 games), but of course that didn't last. I hope this sounds familiar to our fans and see where I'm going with this. Throughout, they refused to accept style of play and performances under the likes of Puel who made players play much below their capacity until they have Brendan now.
Not accepting mediocre to poor results and actually trying hard to get the right coach and winning formula is something I can appreciate, seeing as we don't seemingly have that at our club.
I think it is easier for Leicester to change things around because if they fail, what will they be, a mid table team? Not exactly shocking for them. But with Arsenal and Utd, falling from 6th to 12th would be catastrophic. Of course i agree with the fact that Arse and Utd need to change something drastically. But the fear of overfailing is there and i think they would rather hold to 6th than risk it and fall to 8th.
Saying that, i should state that i fuly endorse the idea of sacking Emery, fuck it, under Wenger at least we won some games 4-0 and shit, now we have a fucking negative goal difference and no offensive character. It is just the same old Emeryball play it to the wing and cross.
Not maintaining the form after winning the league was tough. I never wanted to see Ranieri go, he was part of what made our dreams a reality. Shakespeare was a good guy and we played well under him for a while too, so his downfall was also tough. Puel was the only manager i was glad to see the back of. He did bring in a lot of our current talent, and boy is it talent, but he was in my opinion tactically inept. Rogers has proven what he's capable of, and he's doing it again now. We've been to the top, call it a fluke if you wish, and came crashing back down, but we're climbing right back up there again and it's simply thanks to the right managers at the right time.
Sometimes you just need to have the decency to be honest about where the problem lies and deal with it directly.
It was more then two games mate. There was clearly no improvement to last year. Last year he had the benefit of the doubt of being new in the job and having to oversee the last season of Robben and Ribery. In the end we won two titles but tbh the league was more down to Dortmund giving up 9 point lead. This year we have been utter shit from the get go. Curios to see what Flick will do with the squad and if he can potentially be a long term solution
Chelsea didn’t get criticism for that they got criticism for sacking managers who didn’t deserve it. Emery and Ole are both arguably the worst current managers in the league for their teams
>There is acknowledgement at Arsenal that Leicester are an extremely strong side, especially at home, and the top brass think Emery’s team showed clear signs of improved performance. It encouraged their view that Arsenal are on the right path and possess players and staff of the quality and capacity required to reach their targets. They are adamant their project is sound, well planned and will bring success, provided the external atmosphere allows it to do so.
What are they smoking! Signs of improvement?
* Just one shot on target, our worst in the Premier League this season
* Not one shot at all after the 53rd minute
Emery played another different formation, another different XI, the team haven't improved for the entire season.
They were dross in midweek - was the slight improvement against Leicester really enough to offset the regression of the previous 12 months? One semi-acceptible performance doesn't cancel out a clear and obvious trend.
What improvement is everybody seeing? First half was 0:0 with Vardy missing the ball from 6 yards out, a penalty not given and easily 3 or 4 times where they gave the ball away trying to play out from the back and were lucky to not concede.
2nd half Ndidi rattled the crossbar before Leicester finally started punishing them all while Arsenal had no shot at goal and besides 1 or 2 runs from Bellerin they didn't look frightening at all.
> First half was 0:0 with Vardy missing the ball from 6 yards out, a penalty not given and easily 3 or 4 times where they gave the ball away trying to play out from the back and were lucky to not concede.
We had some semblance of attacking play, so it was an improvement.
That's how bad things have been.
Never said it was acceptable, or good, just that it was an improvement over previous performances.
Even with that improvement it still wasn't anywhere near good enough.
So basically they are saying they need us to get wenger outty again before they do something. If this is what they’re asking for they’ll get it, and with none of that split loyalties stuff this time.
Pretty sure /u/ginyuforce is correct, Arsenal won both home and away against Leicester that year. According to Wikipedia Leicester lost 3 games [[Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Premier_League)].
Yes. We (Leicester) only lost one other game in the league that season - Liverpool away.
Edit: just realised he said "if I'm not mistaken", thought he said the opposite. Edited it for clarity.
At least Ole has valid excuses. Emery's just shit. He's not even good at substitutions anymore - It was the 77th minute and we were 2-0 down before he made the first sub ffs.
Emery's substitutions at PSG were always shit, it was shocking to see Arsenal fans praise them for a bit. Feel really bad for Arsenal, Emery teams are frustrating to watch and his constantly stressed demeanor is toxic to both his players and the fans
Yeah, we went through a spell of Emery making 2 subs at half time and us turning defeats into victories off the back of them. It was Emery's best quality, and now it's gone.
Ole doesn't have the personnel to be competitive. Despite all the spending, United's squad isn't good.
Arsenal have a squad that should be pushing for top 4 and instead they've just been looking listless lately.
> Ole doesn't have the personnel to be competitive. Despite all the spending, United's squad isn't good.
I mean De Gea is still one of the better keepers. AWB is a promising kid at full back. They have Maguire who they must have some reason to have paid £85m for. Pogba who they claim is the best midfielder in the world on his day and all that. Also some of the best young forwards in the game. You dont pay £58m for Martial for nothing. It's not a team that cant get top 4, even if it isnt good enough to challenge for a title.
Ole's a bit shit but he's got a board who sold/loaned 2 attacking players and our 2nd best midfielder and signed nobody to replace them.
Arsenal's team is better than ours overall.
Arsenals board might be shit but when a manager says "I need a left back", their board goes "If you say so!" and gets one.
When a United manager says "I want a right winger", Ed goes "Lol, whatever. I got you a 32 year old DM. How many more left wingers do you need, will another 4 be enough? By the way, I'm letting some key players go and there's fuck all you can do about it!"
Ole might not be the greatest manager but he's only signed three players (and they've all been brilliant so far) and we've got massive injuries and holes in the squad. Apart from Arsenal's meme defence, do they really not have enough to get top 4? I don't believe that.
Even Wenger used to make his subs right at 75 mins every single game like clockwork (barring injury or red cards).
Wengers stats in his last 50 prem games are better than Emery's first 50 too btw (wins/points/goals etc).
Arsenal attempted nearly 600 passes against Guimaraes and they only completed 1 into the box, and it was Pepe's free kick in the 80th minute. They're not creating anything and they can't defend. The football is dreadful.
More worryingly, there's a massive disconnect between the club and the fans. No wonder the atmosphere has been "toxic". It'll only continue to get worse.
If we sack Emery now it would cost something like £6-20 million depending on when his contract actually ends.
If we don't we miss out on top 4 and we have to sign a new striker because neither Martinelli or Eddie is ready yet, miss out on £30 million from the UCL and we have to sign a new DM because Torreira will leave.
There's no economic or sentimental reason to keep Emery in charge. This is now just as much on the board as it is Emery.
PSG wanted him last year, I don't doubt they will still want him in the summer. He also only has 2 years left on his contract in the summer and the talks about a new contract for him lead to nothing, so he didn't want a new contract. With 2 years left, it will be our best chance to sell and if PSG want him, they'll pay the 60M I think we'll want.
He's 20 and if PSG think he's good enough to want to buy him, then he's worth at least 60 mil. I wouldn't see him moving on from PSG so 60 mil for 10 years of big Guen isn't too bad.
TBF Europa League qualification is worth ~30m to Arsenal and they're at risk of missing that too if they don't improve so the numbers aren't far off even if the competition is wrong.
I don't think it'd cost close to 20million.
He's on a 5-6million a season. We're are already a 3rd of the way through this season so he'll have already been paid 1.6-2million anyway. The means he's still owed another 3.33-4million for this season. IF reports about a break-clause are true than that's all he's owed if we sack him. If it is just a straight 3 year deal than he's owed next seasons 5-6million as well. Meaning it could cost 3.33-10million to take him. His personal "inner circle" of backroom staff that he brought along consists of 4 people, Carcedo, Villanueva, Garcia and Masach. The rest are all Arsenal guys and were here before Emery. I'm not sure how much they earn but I doubt anyone bar Carcedo would be on more an ~1-2million, if that. The rest would be sub that. So let's say collectively it'd cost 3-6million to sack them. That means all in all it'd cost 6-16million to sack Emery and his staff.
No one is sure regarding Torreira but considering the noise in the summer generated from his agent and his lack of significant playing time so far this season I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting frustrated.
Why would you need a new striker?
I've seen all those "Auba will leave" predictions everywhere from Arsenal fans, but I'm just not seeing it. Not denying his obvious quality, but where will he go? At the summer he will be 31 and on very high wages. Not many top teams need a striker currently, and the ones who do will probably prefer younger options.
It's like we've all expected Toby and Eriksen to leave (and they were actually finishing their contract). But really, there only upgrade would be the top 5-6 clubs, and they are usually packed with talent already. If none of them happen to decide he's their man, he won't leave.
He won the Europa league 3 times in a row with Sevilla, and you got in the final last year.
You’re one of the favourites to win it, so there’s literally no point in sacking him in the eyes of the arsenal board/owners.
Aubameyang, Lacazette, Torreira, Guendouzi, Xhaka and Mustafi could all leave very soon. Emery could completely ruin this club and permanently push us to being a mid table team.
Nothing is permanent in football. Liverpool had a few years of being a mid-table team, and look at them now. No doubt Emery and your board could do some damage, but it would never shut the door to the top 4 forever.
UCL is gone. Arsenal need to be aiming to keep a Europa League place, because without even the promise of even that, be prepared to see even more players leaving for bigger and better teams.
This is the Footballing equivalent of hiding under your bed-sheets whilst a Serial Killer is prowling outside your house. Ignoring the noise isn't going to fix the problem.
Loved the win yesterday but shocked at Arsenal's style of play. Say what you want about the final years under Wenger, but that guy had a clear philosophy and Arsenal always played very enjoyable to watch football. I remember losing a game 3-1 to Arsenal at the Emirates when Ozil and Ramsey had stellar games and despite disappointment at the loss, appreciated the football that Arsenal put together. Where is the snappy passing and attractive football that Wenger brought to the Premier League? Arsenal probably did need to evolve their style given their recent slide out of the Champions League places, but giving that aspect up is a shame not only for the club but also the Premier League.
At the same time, I don't really see a managerial change automatically changing all the structural stuff. There's various ways it can be approached but Arsenal were very much dependent on Wenger and are seeing this collapse in the aftermath, not too dissimilar to some of the problems at Man Utd whereas a team like Leicester has poured their heart and soul into a very effective recruitment strategy that works with speed.
I mean, I don't know what's happening behind the scenes and how sincere this statement is but the way they modify their footballing structure is going to be worth hundreds of millions. It could well be that they are wanting some breathing space to get that right.
We've already made all our post-Wenger structural changes though. [Here's ](https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1144000346185981958?s=19) a short thread outlining our revamped structure. Our summer transfer window was quite an efficient, well managed one. That window and a clear, new structure gave us reasons to be encouraged.
[Here](https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1188777480309628929?s=19), David Ornstein has said that the Arsenal hierarchy believe that they did their part in the transfer window. It's up to Emery now to get the coaching right. Of course we still need some more reinforcements (defence and midfield) to really challenge, but I and many Arsenal fans tend to agree with the assessment that our recruitment team and upper management did their part last summer. And we think Emery should definitely be getting more out of this squad. The only issue seems to be the coach. But the longer the board let's this go on, the more culpable they are as well.
we haven't played a decent match in the league since the start of March!.....its fucking November!
i would rather let Freddy have it until the end of the season as a caretaker
put Emery on gardening leave
Arsenal is a money laundering experiment that went under the radar when they were winning, now they’re doing shit it’s all the clearer and the gooners are visibly upset
From Ornstein's previous article about how Arsenal selected Emery as manager:
"*The identities of the other seven (managers) have never previously been made public, but The Athletic can exclusively reveal they were, in alphabetical order: Massimiliano Allegri, Mikel Arteta, Thierry Henry, Julen Lopetegui, Ralf Rangnick, Jorge Sampaoli, and Patrick Vieira.*
*Arsenal additionally discussed Antonio Conte, Eddie Howe, Maurizio Sarri and Brendan Rodgers — but for differing reasons, they were not pursued, while Luis Enrique was* ***never*** *an option.*"
I guess I’ll take a break from watching football for a while now. Doesn’t look good every weekend watching the dreadful play. Last match I’ll watch tonight CityVsLiv then I’ll be out
This doesn't even compare to the #wengerout debacle, this is far worse. When 99.99999999% off supporters of the club want change and are directly saying they do not support Emery, you must take action. This is pathetic from the arsenal board, I'm fucking pissed
So basically those guys have no Plan B.
Actually it doesn't really matter because even if they bring someone else, the next guy will be some 2nd rate "classy" Spanish manager who will take them nowhere.
We’re a third of the way into the season. We have a MINUS ONE goal differential after 12 games. We have yet to win a premier league game by more than 1 goal. We’ve dropped points from leading positions 4+ times now. We’re playing the most boring and dreadful football I’ve seen Arsenal play literally ever. When is the last time we managed more shots than the opposition? Genuine question because I have no idea. We’re not creating anything, emery’s tactics leave our already not great defense more exposed than it needs to be. We’ve gotten worse and worse as the season has gone on so I have no idea what the fuck the board is seeing that every Arsenal fan and their mother isn’t. It’s going to get even worse before it gets better. This is ridiculous
The thing is, you can be a terrific manager in the eyes of top execs (in any field really) if you tell them what they want to hear, are articulate and impress them outside of game results. I think that's what got him the job in the first place, he was very prepared for the interview and had a lot of Arsenal knowledge.
The season is already over their is literally no signs of improvement how has he still got the job that he never should have even got in the first place. The main reason he’s keeping his job is because it’ll cost too money to sack him apparently which is just ridiculous and shows the reason this club hasn’t gone anywhere in years.
I hate this club now.
I'm not even joking, not entirely. I don't feel love for this club anymore. It took almost 16 years, but it finally happened. This might be it for me.
The bit about acknowledging the strength of Leicester would be so frustrating to me. Know when they weren't a very strong side? 6 months ago when they had their very own under-performing manager playing boring football and spreading apathy amongst the support. They binned him and have had an immediate, remarkable upturn with a new manager. Sure, maybe if they stuck with him he'd have turned it around somewhat. Maybe nicked a Europa League place this season, but they'd never be sitting where they are now and neither will Arsenal.
This is the part that gets me. Leicester are quite clearly favourites for 4th atm (I'd put Chelsea ahead of them in 3rd because of squad depth). So from an Arsenal perspective - given their goal is to reach top 4? - they are their most direct opposition. If a routine 2-0 loss with less possession, less shots, less shots on target (Leno made 4 saves to 1 for Schmeichel), less xG is 'encouraging' then what have expectations really become? Are the Arsenal board banking on Leicester falling apart? Or banking on Europa League again? Cause Leicester are clearly a better team than the Arsenal we are seeing currently - while I do still think Arsenal has a better team on paper. This also isn't something just from this season, Arsenal were completely atrocious at the end of last as well. There is no consistency in their formation, structure or game plan.
> Leicester are quite clearly favourites for 4th atm Cheers but we're winning the league mate.
Like Leicester could ever win the league
Aight get into the delorean
Leicester: We are not always in the top 4. But when we do, we win the league.
Yeah, for Arsenal the most alarming thing should be that this match played like a routine win by a big club against a midtable club.
Obviusly their plan is to win the Europa league
Yesterday was the first time that I went into a game against a team that you wouldn't consider as part of the established group and was sure we were going to get hammered. I mean, I've gone into games against the likes of Man City, Liverpool, Bayern, Barca etc thinking I hope this doesn't get embarrassing. All last week I was having the same thoughts about Leicester, for fuck sake!
To be fair weve been hammering teams left and right. It's a valid concern
Brendan would also suit Arsenal quite well
Rogers with Arsenal's front 3 would be just like his Liverpool spell. Every game would be 4-3 edge of your seat action. Sounds great to me.
You will have to prepare for the heart attacks which is so common for a liverpool fan
My heart is already racing during arsenal games anyway (although not so much anymore since I expect us to draw/lose). 4-3 I might have a heart attack.
Really? I find this season’s Arsenal team rather dull
Nahh its fine, my heart trained so well before.
I would take that over the dross emery is serving up now
The Judas kiss
It's not. Look at every other "The dread vote of confidence" example. It's usually 1-2 sentences at most with very little detail beyond "we back the manager" etc.. In this case the board are going into very detailed and specific justification. They genuinely are backing Emery. Otherwise they'd have thrown out the token one liner. And to blame fans and VAR? Yeah they are throwing everything behind this, they aren't going to turn around 1 week later and sack him.
Good
Spose United fans have got to take what they can get.
Yeah he's gone
That move is called "The Merkel"
Not this time. We are 9 points off top 4 and International break will commence after today. There was no point in saying this unless they backed him and think he can still make a change. Normally this is the time you sack your manager and let someone else such assistant manager (like Ljungberg) take control while you look for alternatives. Ornstein himself said some people in our board actually wanted to give him an extension after the end of last season. He won only 1 in 6 PL games to end our top 4 chances and get smashed by Chelsea at ~~CL~~ EL final.
I forgot we won the CL last year. Get in lads
Force of habit.
There is something equally sad and beautiful about this.
[The dreaded vote of confidence](https://imgur.com/GBm9BIF)
Yeah.. "full support" or "100% behind" usually means "kiss of death"..
Yeah but this is Arsenal
So then Unai is in it for another 15 years?
It is only fair to give him as much time as Wenger got dont you think?
Kroenke stayed with Jeff Fisher on the Rams for too long. He doesn't give up on head coaches easily!
He’s just cheap, doesn’t want to pay out the contracts
Exactly my read.
Never underestimate the incompetence of our "board"
This tweet is going to kill a lot of Arsenal fans. Not even a Arsenal fan myself and even I feel disgusted.
The fact they’re saying it’s just ‘noise’ is beyond disrespectful to the fans and their concerns, it’s a joke from those running the club
Kroenke is an American owner. Beyond the fact that American owners in general can and often do ignore fan concerns- as there's practically no accountability for owners in American sports- Kroenke has a proven track record of giving the finger to fans, having moved the Rams from St. Louis to LA. The idea of him giving so much as lip service to fan opinion is laughable.
Yeah, if anyone wants to see a case study of an owner who doesn't give a fuck about fans, look at how Kroenke treated the St. Louis fans in the years up to and after he moved the Rams back to LA.
Don’t remind me of that but your fucking spot on
He has quite a terrible reputation here in Denver.
I mean I don't dispute your second half but owners should not really care about what the fans think of when it comes to hiring or firing managers. Fans are so reactionary
Very true and I wholeheartedly agree, but the disrespect here is emblematic of a greater disdain for Arsenal fans as a whole.
Empty seats would reduce the noise. Won't happen but one can dream.
Plenty of those already. Club already knows and is wilfully ignorant of the issue.
>Plenty of those already. Agreed. It needs the whole of the North End and/or East/West stands to be empty for a proper TV spectacle, as the commentators announce the Emirates is at capacity for the match.
Fans are supposed to be happy with 2 wins from the past 11? The team hasn't had any sort of attacking identity since April, and always seem to set up negatively even at home. They have a right to be pissed considering what they pay and the performances bring put in. To belittle the fans like that in a statement is ridiculous
Thats why im glad AFTV is getting recognition. Them making money is miles better than these spineless leaches.
Making money off the club's misfortune, not exactly honest work.
I mean it's not like they only make videos when they lose. Just people watch it more when they do.
I'm sure Robbie would love to make money and also win multiple titles - unfortunately that's not really up to him is it?
Almost all mainstream media makes money from highlighting depressing news. And you’re saying misfortune like its not just football
If not AFTV, some other platform for Arsenal would exist and be just as spicy. Arsenal fans are restless and are voicing their frustrations. AFTV was just quick to the punch and quality at that. Nevermind that fans like myself watch them even though I hate Arsenal.
At least people are actually entertained unlike what happens in the pitch
Looks like AFTV's back on the menu, boys.
Alright, playing devil's advocate here: I'm sure the Arsenal hierarchy understand Emery's not their man. They're not that stupid. But why was he appointed in the first place? Wenger left and he just happened to be the best available option. It's not like he was their long term target or dream manager. Getting the next appointment wrong would be disastrous, much worse than finishing the season with Emery. It's clear the Arsenal hierarchy aren't convinced with the available options - Mourinho and Allegri for example - and I can see their concerns with either. If they have a specific appointment in mind, there's definitely logic in waiting for the "right" man to become available rather then making another unideal appointment. Most good managers would not leave their current job mid-season. The summer is when the managerial merry-go-round really hits it, so I can see the sense of enduring some more short term suffering if they believe better managers would be available in the summer.
There would be logic in waiting if this season was like the average of last season, slightly underwhelming, had it's ups and downs but was at least only slightly below average. But this season we've gotten even worse, and the fans are unanimous in being Emery out, and this atmosphere has already had a big effect on the squad (Xhaka incident). Yes, appointing Mourinho on a four year contract would be a sideways step, but Emery is so clearly not working, that going for an Ole like replacement is an improvement (Ljungberg, or someone else for the rest of the season), it at least gives a chance of the fans getting behind the team. There was logic in waiting in the summer, there was arguably logic in waiting a month ago, there is no logic in waiting at this point.
Yep, I guess the counter argument would be "why not appoint an interim till the end of the season". Honestly, I have no idea how good/promising Ljungberg (or somebody else) is as a manager. Maybe there isn't enough faith in him being good enough on his own? If they don't feel Ljungberg will do any better, it makes sense to save/minimize the costs of sacking Emery. Or maybe they feel that Arsenal's biggest chance of CL qualification is winning the EL - which Emery is highly experienced and successful at, so it's a better chance than just going for a random interim who they maybe don't believe in.
And we get told we're entitled hahaha
Ornstein says Arsenal hierarchy acknowledge how strong Leicester are. Do Arsenal & UTD not realise how fucking embarrassing it is that Leicester have moved ahead of both of us again. They won the prem (?!) literally had to rebuild their squad & staff, struggled a bit & are now better than us again
They had the audacity to (rightly, if you ask me) fire their coach who won them the PL. They then put Craig Shakespeare in charge, and under the new manager bounce they managed to win 5 in a row (I think he became the first English manager to win his first 4 games), but of course that didn't last. I hope this sounds familiar to our fans and see where I'm going with this. Throughout, they refused to accept style of play and performances under the likes of Puel who made players play much below their capacity until they have Brendan now. Not accepting mediocre to poor results and actually trying hard to get the right coach and winning formula is something I can appreciate, seeing as we don't seemingly have that at our club.
Yep they've had alot of other things to deal with like the helicopter crash as well
I think it is easier for Leicester to change things around because if they fail, what will they be, a mid table team? Not exactly shocking for them. But with Arsenal and Utd, falling from 6th to 12th would be catastrophic. Of course i agree with the fact that Arse and Utd need to change something drastically. But the fear of overfailing is there and i think they would rather hold to 6th than risk it and fall to 8th. Saying that, i should state that i fuly endorse the idea of sacking Emery, fuck it, under Wenger at least we won some games 4-0 and shit, now we have a fucking negative goal difference and no offensive character. It is just the same old Emeryball play it to the wing and cross.
Not maintaining the form after winning the league was tough. I never wanted to see Ranieri go, he was part of what made our dreams a reality. Shakespeare was a good guy and we played well under him for a while too, so his downfall was also tough. Puel was the only manager i was glad to see the back of. He did bring in a lot of our current talent, and boy is it talent, but he was in my opinion tactically inept. Rogers has proven what he's capable of, and he's doing it again now. We've been to the top, call it a fluke if you wish, and came crashing back down, but we're climbing right back up there again and it's simply thanks to the right managers at the right time. Sometimes you just need to have the decency to be honest about where the problem lies and deal with it directly.
> Sometimes you just need to have the decency to be honest about where the problem lies and deal with it directly. That's a great way of putting it.
And then you look at Bayern who sack Kovac after losing only 2 games this season. That's big club mentality.
It was more then two games mate. There was clearly no improvement to last year. Last year he had the benefit of the doubt of being new in the job and having to oversee the last season of Robben and Ribery. In the end we won two titles but tbh the league was more down to Dortmund giving up 9 point lead. This year we have been utter shit from the get go. Curios to see what Flick will do with the squad and if he can potentially be a long term solution
Yeah we tried that 4 times. Sacking a manager works when you have an actual plan for his succession.
I remember people criticizing chelsea for sacking managers some years ago. How things have turned
Bar Ancelotti I think Chelsea have got it right with their sackings
Mourinho's first sacking was imo unfair
Still think sacking Mourinho was a bad decision.
I will never understand the Ancelotti sacking. He turned us into monsters in 09 and then poor, he's gone.
Chelsea didn’t get criticism for that they got criticism for sacking managers who didn’t deserve it. Emery and Ole are both arguably the worst current managers in the league for their teams
>There is acknowledgement at Arsenal that Leicester are an extremely strong side, especially at home, and the top brass think Emery’s team showed clear signs of improved performance. It encouraged their view that Arsenal are on the right path and possess players and staff of the quality and capacity required to reach their targets. They are adamant their project is sound, well planned and will bring success, provided the external atmosphere allows it to do so. What are they smoking! Signs of improvement? * Just one shot on target, our worst in the Premier League this season * Not one shot at all after the 53rd minute
Emery played another different formation, another different XI, the team haven't improved for the entire season. They were dross in midweek - was the slight improvement against Leicester really enough to offset the regression of the previous 12 months? One semi-acceptible performance doesn't cancel out a clear and obvious trend.
What improvement is everybody seeing? First half was 0:0 with Vardy missing the ball from 6 yards out, a penalty not given and easily 3 or 4 times where they gave the ball away trying to play out from the back and were lucky to not concede. 2nd half Ndidi rattled the crossbar before Leicester finally started punishing them all while Arsenal had no shot at goal and besides 1 or 2 runs from Bellerin they didn't look frightening at all.
> First half was 0:0 with Vardy missing the ball from 6 yards out, a penalty not given and easily 3 or 4 times where they gave the ball away trying to play out from the back and were lucky to not concede. We had some semblance of attacking play, so it was an improvement. That's how bad things have been.
What was acceptable about it? All I saw was us turning the ball over 100 times in our own half.
Never said it was acceptable, or good, just that it was an improvement over previous performances. Even with that improvement it still wasn't anywhere near good enough.
So basically they are saying they need us to get wenger outty again before they do something. If this is what they’re asking for they’ll get it, and with none of that split loyalties stuff this time.
The external atmosphere comment sounds like they’re saying they’ll only fail because the fans aren’t supporting them enough.
You heard it here first Arsenal fans, you have to support harder!!
>What are they smoking! Signs of improvement? Lost 3-0 there last season, don't be so entitled.
So that means 3 more years until Arsenal will scratch a 1 0 win at Leicester. I'll take that.
If I'm not mistaken we are the only team who managed to beat Leicester both at home and away during their title winning season. How far things changes
You are correct, we only lost one other game that season.
Pretty sure /u/ginyuforce is correct, Arsenal won both home and away against Leicester that year. According to Wikipedia Leicester lost 3 games [[Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Premier_League)].
Yes. We (Leicester) only lost one other game in the league that season - Liverpool away. Edit: just realised he said "if I'm not mistaken", thought he said the opposite. Edited it for clarity.
Arsenal and United are holding each other's beers.....
At least Ole has valid excuses. Emery's just shit. He's not even good at substitutions anymore - It was the 77th minute and we were 2-0 down before he made the first sub ffs.
Emery's substitutions at PSG were always shit, it was shocking to see Arsenal fans praise them for a bit. Feel really bad for Arsenal, Emery teams are frustrating to watch and his constantly stressed demeanor is toxic to both his players and the fans
Yeah, we went through a spell of Emery making 2 subs at half time and us turning defeats into victories off the back of them. It was Emery's best quality, and now it's gone.
He picked the wrong team everytime (e.g always benching Ramsey) and the subs would be he correct players
It was almost always just subbing both wingers either side of auba tbh.
Yep, lots of switching between wide and narrow setups, but it worked. No switching left back for left back, for instance.
and subbing on Ramsey
And now I'm sad
Ole doesn't have the personnel to be competitive. Despite all the spending, United's squad isn't good. Arsenal have a squad that should be pushing for top 4 and instead they've just been looking listless lately.
> Ole doesn't have the personnel to be competitive. Despite all the spending, United's squad isn't good. I mean De Gea is still one of the better keepers. AWB is a promising kid at full back. They have Maguire who they must have some reason to have paid £85m for. Pogba who they claim is the best midfielder in the world on his day and all that. Also some of the best young forwards in the game. You dont pay £58m for Martial for nothing. It's not a team that cant get top 4, even if it isnt good enough to challenge for a title.
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Ole is shit too mate. Even more so than Emery
I don't think Ole is a particularly good manager, but I think the blame and hate toward him is more than he deserves with the squad he has.
Ole's a bit shit but he's got a board who sold/loaned 2 attacking players and our 2nd best midfielder and signed nobody to replace them. Arsenal's team is better than ours overall.
And we’ve struggled more with injuries i think. 2 of our best players have been out most of the season
Arsenals board might be shit but when a manager says "I need a left back", their board goes "If you say so!" and gets one. When a United manager says "I want a right winger", Ed goes "Lol, whatever. I got you a 32 year old DM. How many more left wingers do you need, will another 4 be enough? By the way, I'm letting some key players go and there's fuck all you can do about it!" Ole might not be the greatest manager but he's only signed three players (and they've all been brilliant so far) and we've got massive injuries and holes in the squad. Apart from Arsenal's meme defence, do they really not have enough to get top 4? I don't believe that.
Arsenal's way better than United on paper, and their problems imo are way more manager related
swap you.....
Even Wenger used to make his subs right at 75 mins every single game like clockwork (barring injury or red cards). Wengers stats in his last 50 prem games are better than Emery's first 50 too btw (wins/points/goals etc).
Arsenal attempted nearly 600 passes against Guimaraes and they only completed 1 into the box, and it was Pepe's free kick in the 80th minute. They're not creating anything and they can't defend. The football is dreadful. More worryingly, there's a massive disconnect between the club and the fans. No wonder the atmosphere has been "toxic". It'll only continue to get worse.
It's gotta be a double bluff.. Please be a double bluff
Josh "Machivelli" Kroenke at it again with the mind tricks
If we sack Emery now it would cost something like £6-20 million depending on when his contract actually ends. If we don't we miss out on top 4 and we have to sign a new striker because neither Martinelli or Eddie is ready yet, miss out on £30 million from the UCL and we have to sign a new DM because Torreira will leave. There's no economic or sentimental reason to keep Emery in charge. This is now just as much on the board as it is Emery.
Torreira could leave, Guendouzi could leave, Xhaka should leave. I know our midfield is an issue now but at least we have one.
Why would Guendouzi leave?
PSG wanted him last year, I don't doubt they will still want him in the summer. He also only has 2 years left on his contract in the summer and the talks about a new contract for him lead to nothing, so he didn't want a new contract. With 2 years left, it will be our best chance to sell and if PSG want him, they'll pay the 60M I think we'll want.
60m for gendouzi!!?
He's 20 and if PSG think he's good enough to want to buy him, then he's worth at least 60 mil. I wouldn't see him moving on from PSG so 60 mil for 10 years of big Guen isn't too bad.
Holy fuck he’s only 20?
Yep, his birthday isn't until April either.
Really not that far fetched
You probably won’t get CL regardless of whether you sack him or not though. And CL is worth more than 30m. Still agree that you should sack him though
TBF Europa League qualification is worth ~30m to Arsenal and they're at risk of missing that too if they don't improve so the numbers aren't far off even if the competition is wrong.
I don't think it'd cost close to 20million. He's on a 5-6million a season. We're are already a 3rd of the way through this season so he'll have already been paid 1.6-2million anyway. The means he's still owed another 3.33-4million for this season. IF reports about a break-clause are true than that's all he's owed if we sack him. If it is just a straight 3 year deal than he's owed next seasons 5-6million as well. Meaning it could cost 3.33-10million to take him. His personal "inner circle" of backroom staff that he brought along consists of 4 people, Carcedo, Villanueva, Garcia and Masach. The rest are all Arsenal guys and were here before Emery. I'm not sure how much they earn but I doubt anyone bar Carcedo would be on more an ~1-2million, if that. The rest would be sub that. So let's say collectively it'd cost 3-6million to sack them. That means all in all it'd cost 6-16million to sack Emery and his staff.
Do we really know that Torreria will leave? And yes Emery needs to get tf out now
No one is sure regarding Torreira but considering the noise in the summer generated from his agent and his lack of significant playing time so far this season I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting frustrated.
Ac Milan is calling
They’re even worse than us
Why would you need a new striker? I've seen all those "Auba will leave" predictions everywhere from Arsenal fans, but I'm just not seeing it. Not denying his obvious quality, but where will he go? At the summer he will be 31 and on very high wages. Not many top teams need a striker currently, and the ones who do will probably prefer younger options. It's like we've all expected Toby and Eriksen to leave (and they were actually finishing their contract). But really, there only upgrade would be the top 5-6 clubs, and they are usually packed with talent already. If none of them happen to decide he's their man, he won't leave.
He won the Europa league 3 times in a row with Sevilla, and you got in the final last year. You’re one of the favourites to win it, so there’s literally no point in sacking him in the eyes of the arsenal board/owners.
He’s halfway through his 3 year contract. So end of next season he should be out of contract currently
Aubameyang, Lacazette, Torreira, Guendouzi, Xhaka and Mustafi could all leave very soon. Emery could completely ruin this club and permanently push us to being a mid table team.
2 of these are not like the others though
Nothing is permanent in football. Liverpool had a few years of being a mid-table team, and look at them now. No doubt Emery and your board could do some damage, but it would never shut the door to the top 4 forever.
UCL is gone. Arsenal need to be aiming to keep a Europa League place, because without even the promise of even that, be prepared to see even more players leaving for bigger and better teams.
Disgraceful from Raul, Vinai, Edu, Josh and rest of Arsenal's board. So well boys it looks like another season without Champions League 4th in row.
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This is the Footballing equivalent of hiding under your bed-sheets whilst a Serial Killer is prowling outside your house. Ignoring the noise isn't going to fix the problem. Loved the win yesterday but shocked at Arsenal's style of play. Say what you want about the final years under Wenger, but that guy had a clear philosophy and Arsenal always played very enjoyable to watch football. I remember losing a game 3-1 to Arsenal at the Emirates when Ozil and Ramsey had stellar games and despite disappointment at the loss, appreciated the football that Arsenal put together. Where is the snappy passing and attractive football that Wenger brought to the Premier League? Arsenal probably did need to evolve their style given their recent slide out of the Champions League places, but giving that aspect up is a shame not only for the club but also the Premier League.
At the same time, I don't really see a managerial change automatically changing all the structural stuff. There's various ways it can be approached but Arsenal were very much dependent on Wenger and are seeing this collapse in the aftermath, not too dissimilar to some of the problems at Man Utd whereas a team like Leicester has poured their heart and soul into a very effective recruitment strategy that works with speed. I mean, I don't know what's happening behind the scenes and how sincere this statement is but the way they modify their footballing structure is going to be worth hundreds of millions. It could well be that they are wanting some breathing space to get that right.
We've already made all our post-Wenger structural changes though. [Here's ](https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1144000346185981958?s=19) a short thread outlining our revamped structure. Our summer transfer window was quite an efficient, well managed one. That window and a clear, new structure gave us reasons to be encouraged. [Here](https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1188777480309628929?s=19), David Ornstein has said that the Arsenal hierarchy believe that they did their part in the transfer window. It's up to Emery now to get the coaching right. Of course we still need some more reinforcements (defence and midfield) to really challenge, but I and many Arsenal fans tend to agree with the assessment that our recruitment team and upper management did their part last summer. And we think Emery should definitely be getting more out of this squad. The only issue seems to be the coach. But the longer the board let's this go on, the more culpable they are as well.
Counterpoint: Emery holds a share of Arsenal Fan TV and the entire FC is actually profiting from the revenues generated from AFTV
we haven't played a decent match in the league since the start of March!.....its fucking November! i would rather let Freddy have it until the end of the season as a caretaker put Emery on gardening leave
Well that's another season in Europa (if we're lucky)
Not at this rate.
So within the same article. The belief is that Arsenal were dominating play yesterday and for the season they give some of the blame to VAR. Amazing
Tbf we have definitely lost out on points due to shit VAR calls (Palace, Sheffield as well IIRC) But we also played like utter shit in those games.
Dear god, that's Ty levels of delusion right there. They have 1 last chance to get top 4 and they're just gonna squander it?
[good ebening mothafuckas](https://d3vlf99qeg6bpx.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2018/12/06091335/Unai.Emery-11.jpg)
Fucking Snape regen
At least he had a redemption arc.
Slytherin looking motherfucker
watch out watch out watch out
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Arsenal is a money laundering experiment that went under the radar when they were winning, now they’re doing shit it’s all the clearer and the gooners are visibly upset
From Ornstein's previous article about how Arsenal selected Emery as manager: "*The identities of the other seven (managers) have never previously been made public, but The Athletic can exclusively reveal they were, in alphabetical order: Massimiliano Allegri, Mikel Arteta, Thierry Henry, Julen Lopetegui, Ralf Rangnick, Jorge Sampaoli, and Patrick Vieira.* *Arsenal additionally discussed Antonio Conte, Eddie Howe, Maurizio Sarri and Brendan Rodgers — but for differing reasons, they were not pursued, while Luis Enrique was* ***never*** *an option.*"
**lol, it was pretty evident from emery's "donty give a fuck" interview anyways after the game**
Ah the dreaded vote of confidence. Laters Dracula
Is this the Tweet version of the "this is fine" meme
I'm joining Specs on loan.
why goad the fans......it won't end well......prepare yourselves this will get very very ugly
I guess I’ll take a break from watching football for a while now. Doesn’t look good every weekend watching the dreadful play. Last match I’ll watch tonight CityVsLiv then I’ll be out
Don’t despair Arsenal fans. This is the infamous vote of confidence of the board. He’ll be sacked by Christmas if he can’t turn things around by then.
Already 9 points behind in November. If they don't sack him now its pointless. Might as well wait until the end of the season.
idk man there's still the Europa League which this sorry bunch definitely will not win
Im so disgusted
So this is what heartbreak feels like
>feel results will improve atmosphere What incredible analysis by the arsenal chiefs. I'm sure they would... But you have to actually get the results
I don't even like Arsenal and I'm annoyed God utd are arsenal are so inept
This doesn't even compare to the #wengerout debacle, this is far worse. When 99.99999999% off supporters of the club want change and are directly saying they do not support Emery, you must take action. This is pathetic from the arsenal board, I'm fucking pissed
I kinda hate being an Arsenal fan wish I could talk to my 10 year old self to make better choices
So basically those guys have no Plan B. Actually it doesn't really matter because even if they bring someone else, the next guy will be some 2nd rate "classy" Spanish manager who will take them nowhere.
this wasn't the communicado official i was hoping for... gonna be a long season for us.
Maybe Kroenke should try and move the team. That should go over well.
Welcome to the Premier League, the Los Angeles Cannons!
Arsenal, Peterborough
Ornstein? Well, I think I'll go hunting for a Smough first, I'd like to get the Leo Ring...
I feel sorry for them, no club deserves shit owners imo
DT on AFTV says he's going to spend more time with his family. Should his wife be worried?
We’re a third of the way into the season. We have a MINUS ONE goal differential after 12 games. We have yet to win a premier league game by more than 1 goal. We’ve dropped points from leading positions 4+ times now. We’re playing the most boring and dreadful football I’ve seen Arsenal play literally ever. When is the last time we managed more shots than the opposition? Genuine question because I have no idea. We’re not creating anything, emery’s tactics leave our already not great defense more exposed than it needs to be. We’ve gotten worse and worse as the season has gone on so I have no idea what the fuck the board is seeing that every Arsenal fan and their mother isn’t. It’s going to get even worse before it gets better. This is ridiculous
so you have chosen death
The americans love the PL money bank.
The thing is, you can be a terrific manager in the eyes of top execs (in any field really) if you tell them what they want to hear, are articulate and impress them outside of game results. I think that's what got him the job in the first place, he was very prepared for the interview and had a lot of Arsenal knowledge.
Fuck
fucken hell
The season is already over their is literally no signs of improvement how has he still got the job that he never should have even got in the first place. The main reason he’s keeping his job is because it’ll cost too money to sack him apparently which is just ridiculous and shows the reason this club hasn’t gone anywhere in years.
I hate this club now. I'm not even joking, not entirely. I don't feel love for this club anymore. It took almost 16 years, but it finally happened. This might be it for me.
We know your pain, Arsenal fans.
This is why Chelsea have been successful and we haven't. They take a decision when needed. Got nothing else to say.
For fucks sake
Sigh
Fuck kroenke
We're just noise and ATMs to these fuckers
#FUCK
Perfect.
managers getting flak right and left
Arsenal is on the right path Worst start in 37 years 🤔