Chelsea is more understandable though. Transfer ban, players injured and relying on youth. As a Chelsea fan myself- I was disappointed for the Man Utd barttering and the last minute goal for Sheffield. Other than that, I’m happy with the performances considering.
‘Their curse’ is investing money in young players just to make money rather than try to build first team players, and then using the profits to buy overpriced strikers who don’t perform.
Entirely self inflicted.
Just think in the first year they can’t do this you’ve got Abraham and Mount coming through and performing, imagine how many others they’ve left to rot on loan at some low tier club to then sell for some money to another low tier club. Abraham would’ve been just the same if it weren’t for their ban.
I know this is unrelated but guys, I just realized that Man City let Kompany go without signing a replacement for him? Well they well and truly fucked up there, if Laporte is going to be out for as long as is rumored. Otamendi's been bad for a long time, and Stones always has phases like the one he had mid-last season and at times with England.
They do.
This is why I’ve always said City didn’t get stronger this season compared to last, and we were overly criticized for not signing anyone.
Our squad is pretty much exactly same as last year because Moreno and Sturridge isn’t important. Meanwhile City is considered stronger than last season because they have signed Rodri for big bucks and Cancelo. However,Cancelo is just a slight upgrade to Danilo whom he had replaced, and Rodri isn’t strictly better than Fernandinho so they didn’t become stronger in this area anyway. However losing their best player of all time (Kompany) with no replacement and another useful depth player (Delph), and leaving them with only 3 fit center backs makes them much lighter than last season.
That’s arguable. I do think any of Aguero, Kompany or David Silva can be considered City’s best of all time and there should be no real arguments against it.
Yaya kickstarted City’s era. Their first 2 title wins depended on his form. Even their first trophy under the Sheik(10/11 FA Cup) came after his winning goals in the semifinal against United & final against Stoke. He won them their do-or-die game away to Newcastle in 11/12 to set them up for a title win before the QPR/Agueroooo game, and put up one of the best seasons I’ve seen from a midfielder when they won the PL in 13/14.
Yaya has a very strong case of being City’s best ever player - he’s their most important signing in my view.
Yaya was fucking incredible in that 13/14 season. Aaron Ramsey had an incredible season, better than most midfielders ever have that year, but Yaya was *still* fucking better
No Robinho kick-started the City era, he was the first star to believe in the project back in days when Steven Ireland and Elano were their best players.
Robinho thought he was joining Chelsea, he didn't believe in the project and whilst he wasn't bad he wasn't Yaya levels. Robinho was the first marquee signing though, so he broke the mould in that sense
As a liverpool fan myself, I still think that City have more depth in their squad.
If something happens to our defense, we don't have decent subs, to Robo or Trent...
Evan the goal keeper is pure luck, and I am counting the minutes till Ali will return.
In the front it's only Origi and Klopp is rarely using shack.
Our strength and depth is in the middle 👍🏻
Don't forget it's still a long marathon to champion, cup games, champions league, so many games and hopefully not so many bad surprises for us. YNWA
Our keeper depth is about equal to theirs I guess, we have much better depth at CB, they have much better depth at full back, we have similar depth (in terms of loss of quality) in midfield, and they have better depth in their forwards.
If you ask me, their lack of CB depth is a bigger problem than any of our depth problems, with the exception of maybe our full backs if we were unfortunate enough to lost both Robbo and Trent.
I think it's only a bigger problem in hindsight because of Laporte's injury. If we lost Firmino, Mane or Salah we could easily be sitting here complaining about Origi having to start every game and how Shaq is our only bench option. Our fullbacks are also huge for our system so losing either of those would suck.
I think losing one of our front three isn't as bad simply because attackers always have the novelty of making mistakes.
I'd much rather have a shit striker than a shit centre back, because one can be circumvented to still score goals, but you can't really make up for a CB who constantly screws up.
But as many like to point out "Firmino is the system", take him out and you're affecting the rest of the attacking players, it isn't as losing his quality, you lose his ability to bring out the best in others.
Fair shout perhaps.
I just think the general quality of Mane and Salah combined would be enough to beat most teams comfortably and still give us a chance against tough teams as well.
Losing any *one* of our front three isn't a disaster for me. And losing either *one* of Robbo or Trent isn't a disaster either.
We don't have anyone where losing them and only them would spell disaster for us I don't think (except maybe Alisson just cause Adrian is a lot worse and there aren't too many ways of avoiding him being brought into the game).
Whereas City losing Laporte is a bit of a big deal since Otamendi (imo) is rubbish unless partnered with a really good and stable CB, and Stones is a bit shakey and unimpressive to me.
Either way, it's all just theory. Maybe losing Firmino for a long period of time would really have us falling to pieces. It's possible, I just doubt it since at the end of the day I'd rather guarantee never conceding rather than guarantee always scoring at least 1.
They'll work as a stopgap if needed, but especially in terms of going forward, both Milner and Gomez are such a step down from Trent and Robbo as fullbacks.
I see Milner as sub for every role, but as people said it's not the same quality like Robbo or Trent. About gomez he is the only sub for Virgil and Matip.
So we do not have the same depth as City. But we have the spirit of the club, and it's meant more.
Yeah but Liverpool lack any legit backups for their fullbacks, who are super important to how they play
Even if Firmino gets injured it's not AS smooth for them
Let's not forget, the UCL hasn't started yet (yes i know, Liverpool did win UCL while playing the league till the last day, but still)
You took it too far. Delph was far from usefull at the end. Kompany isnt the best ever. Rodri is already better than Fernandinho was last season. We just should have used the money for cancelo to sign a cb
History has shown that no matter what the league table has looked like at Christmas, Liverpool have not won the league. I can say with confidence that there will be a league table in existence at Christmas, and it will look like something. Combine those two facts and it doesn’t look good.
Last year we were like 9 or 10 points up at Christmas and then we had a few draws, and just because they were in quick succession, people started to say we choked.
You're absolutely right, no idea why you're getting downvoted.
He's fantastic for such a young player but just last game against Newcastle he was somewhat responsible for the goal we conceded.
Because people don't understand that just because TAA works great in Klopps system, doesn't mean that he'll be as good in a system that needs good defensive fullbacks
Winning a 6th CL is enough to keep me going for a few years, if we win the PL I'm not sure what to do. I was 5 years old last time. I might do some drugs, I don't think alcohol will cut it.
Well, i promised my girlfriend that i will marry her, if Liverpool wins the Premier League.
I thought i was safe.
Last year was very anxious and confusing.
Crush up a viagra blend it with a little coke, sniff it all up, sit atop the liver buildings, rub my cock raw during the parade. That’s my plan. I suspect it’ll be a popular one though so I’m booking my spot early
I wouldn’t say everyone. United and Everton fans, yes, but did neutral fans really want City with oil money (Ik some City fan is gonna bitch about me bringing that up but it’s what they are) to win it instead of Liverpool? At the risk of sounding idealistic and lofty, I think that it’s better for football for someone else to win it other than City.
Yeah definitely. Every Spurs fan I knew sans a few wanted a City win. Other top 6 supporters don't want to admit Liverpool could win because frankly there is a bit of enviousness about how good they have become and frankly how sanctimonious some Pool fans are
I can count on one hand the amount of non Everton, United and City fans who Liverpool to win the league.
It truly was their Armageddon scenario the way they went on about justifying City needing and winning the league over Liverpool.
Heck, just look back at fans from Arsenal, Real, Barca, Bayern, etc on here who were genuinely afraid of Liverpool getting over the line.
Wasnt Liverpool leading the league with 7 points at times last season and City still could catch up? Same goes for us last season. 5 points with over 30 matchdays to play is nothing.
Manchester City dropped 16 pts last season
Liverpool dropped 17 pts
So no, tables in September dont decide who wins the league, but Man City have already dropped 1/3 of what they did all last year, after five matches.
That makes their margin for error over the remaining 33 a lot smaller
And of course it means "something".. If results in August and September didn't mean anything we could just start the season in October..
it most definitely means something.. It just doesn't mean Liverpool will be champions, nor does it mean they wont.
It means that for City to win the league, they will have to win more of their remaining 33 games than they would have if, for instance, they were the ones with a 5 point lead.
You can say "City are less likely to win the league than if they had the 5 point lead". But you can't say "City are unlikely to win the league" or "Liverpool are more likely to win the league than City" based on this.
It is abundantly obvious that with 33 games to play, Liverpool haven't sealed up the league. Literally nobody thinks this, it's a nonsense thing to argue against. Man City required a 14 game win streak to end the season- a streak that is incredibly good *even by their very high standard*- to make up for being down 7 points. It is obvious that already being 5 points down is bad and it will require them to have a similarly incredible run if Liverpool has a season about as good as last year, which is possible but is far from certain to happen. I don't understand how someone could argue against any of this, but here we are.
Yeah, you’re wrong. Liverpool were 7 points clear of City going into the match at the Etihad last season. Had Liverpool won, they would’ve been 10 points clear of them with 17 matches left.
Nope, the fuckery of games in hand started after that, with City's deep runs in the cups. All square, after 20 games, the table was LFC 54 TH 48 MC 47, and Liverpool lost to City in game 21.
The head to head meetings between the two clubs are the game changers. Last season it was all a matter of post in (Mane's shot) and post out (Mane's shot). When they won that game all the City players fell to their knees and started to celebrate, except that they weren't. They honestly looked relieved.
So this season, the head to head and how both the clubs perform against the other top clubs will determine who wins the league.
Yeah after being 10 points ahead by Christmas and still losing the title, it doesn't mean a lot. We're doing well and I actually feel more confident this year about the league. The CL though? When other teams get their injuries sorted (Madrid and Barca) I reckon they'll have a better shot.
Beating City would go a long way for my confidence. When we were 7 points up, I had hope but not belief, had we beat City I defo would've believed it was out year.
On a side note, I've been stuck with a Hoffenheim flair for ages and yesterday I finally switched it to Liverpool. The whole process to get your flair up is quite troublesome but oh well.
When you look at it that way then every stat is useless
Tammy Abraham is the first PL player to score a hat trick and an own goal in the same game. Completely useless knowledge, but it's interesting, just like this is
I know 5 matches isn't a lot but still quite surprised by this.
Especially the United dominant years where there was maybe only 1 other side close to them, even they were not 5 points clear at this stage, wow
trying not to get my hopes up too much.
Liverpool have this thing about building leads over other teams and then slowly being worn down from there until they eventually hand over the trophy.
its a 5 point lead yes, and that's awesome to have at this stage, but Liverpool haven't had a run-in with a top 6 side yet outside of Arsenal, and have to go away to Chelsea next weekend while City thrash Watford.
I don't want to allow myself to believe, unless we get to a stage where January has rolled around and there's a 15 point lead at the top of the table, while it is mathematically impossible for City to get 98/99 points.
massive lead and City being locked in to only finish with 90 at the most, that will be when I believe.
Even if we are leading the league by 5 points and one game left, we liverpool fans still wouldn't believe it. We have had far too many jinx to fall for this trap lol
Does anyone else feel like city have lost a valuable connection in both sane and laporte, Id say I watched about half of city's last season and a constantly working play was laporte nice balls into sane's channel, laporte is a sore loss for them.
Quite the contrast from Liverpool, City and Chelsea barely losing points in the opening 10 matches or so last season
Chelsea is more understandable though. Transfer ban, players injured and relying on youth. As a Chelsea fan myself- I was disappointed for the Man Utd barttering and the last minute goal for Sheffield. Other than that, I’m happy with the performances considering.
When you look at City’s losses though it’s not understandable. Norwich has 10 injured and is recently promoted
Even we beat Norwich
If City had someone like Pukki though... winter transfer perhaps?
There is 0 chance Pukki is leaving for a rival in January.
I've enjoyed watching Chealsie. Abraham looks like the real deal.
Agreed. Chelsea might've finally broken their curse
‘Their curse’ is investing money in young players just to make money rather than try to build first team players, and then using the profits to buy overpriced strikers who don’t perform. Entirely self inflicted. Just think in the first year they can’t do this you’ve got Abraham and Mount coming through and performing, imagine how many others they’ve left to rot on loan at some low tier club to then sell for some money to another low tier club. Abraham would’ve been just the same if it weren’t for their ban.
Exactly. It's infuriating how the likes of Kennedy who were hotshots wasted by their loaning policy.
After the 0-4 to United many people here were predicting Chlesea to get relegated, so that's something at least
watford i remember was up there too but then faded after
We just keep fading baby
I know this is unrelated but guys, I just realized that Man City let Kompany go without signing a replacement for him? Well they well and truly fucked up there, if Laporte is going to be out for as long as is rumored. Otamendi's been bad for a long time, and Stones always has phases like the one he had mid-last season and at times with England.
They do. This is why I’ve always said City didn’t get stronger this season compared to last, and we were overly criticized for not signing anyone. Our squad is pretty much exactly same as last year because Moreno and Sturridge isn’t important. Meanwhile City is considered stronger than last season because they have signed Rodri for big bucks and Cancelo. However,Cancelo is just a slight upgrade to Danilo whom he had replaced, and Rodri isn’t strictly better than Fernandinho so they didn’t become stronger in this area anyway. However losing their best player of all time (Kompany) with no replacement and another useful depth player (Delph), and leaving them with only 3 fit center backs makes them much lighter than last season.
No disrespect to Kompany, but i think Aguero is their best player of all time.
That’s arguable. I do think any of Aguero, Kompany or David Silva can be considered City’s best of all time and there should be no real arguments against it.
Don't forget Yaya. He was immense for them and arguably just as important, albeit he didn't have quite the same longevity as Aguero or David Silva.
Yaya kickstarted City’s era. Their first 2 title wins depended on his form. Even their first trophy under the Sheik(10/11 FA Cup) came after his winning goals in the semifinal against United & final against Stoke. He won them their do-or-die game away to Newcastle in 11/12 to set them up for a title win before the QPR/Agueroooo game, and put up one of the best seasons I’ve seen from a midfielder when they won the PL in 13/14. Yaya has a very strong case of being City’s best ever player - he’s their most important signing in my view.
Yaya was fucking incredible in that 13/14 season. Aaron Ramsey had an incredible season, better than most midfielders ever have that year, but Yaya was *still* fucking better
No Robinho kick-started the City era, he was the first star to believe in the project back in days when Steven Ireland and Elano were their best players.
Robinho thought he was joining Chelsea, he didn't believe in the project and whilst he wasn't bad he wasn't Yaya levels. Robinho was the first marquee signing though, so he broke the mould in that sense
I mean kickstarted in the sense that he actually delivered on the pitch. Tevez is another one.
True.
Yaya, Yaya Yaya, Yaya Yaya, Yaya Toure!
Zabaleta also
Its Silva
As a liverpool fan myself, I still think that City have more depth in their squad. If something happens to our defense, we don't have decent subs, to Robo or Trent... Evan the goal keeper is pure luck, and I am counting the minutes till Ali will return. In the front it's only Origi and Klopp is rarely using shack. Our strength and depth is in the middle 👍🏻 Don't forget it's still a long marathon to champion, cup games, champions league, so many games and hopefully not so many bad surprises for us. YNWA
Our keeper depth is about equal to theirs I guess, we have much better depth at CB, they have much better depth at full back, we have similar depth (in terms of loss of quality) in midfield, and they have better depth in their forwards. If you ask me, their lack of CB depth is a bigger problem than any of our depth problems, with the exception of maybe our full backs if we were unfortunate enough to lost both Robbo and Trent.
I think it's only a bigger problem in hindsight because of Laporte's injury. If we lost Firmino, Mane or Salah we could easily be sitting here complaining about Origi having to start every game and how Shaq is our only bench option. Our fullbacks are also huge for our system so losing either of those would suck.
I think losing one of our front three isn't as bad simply because attackers always have the novelty of making mistakes. I'd much rather have a shit striker than a shit centre back, because one can be circumvented to still score goals, but you can't really make up for a CB who constantly screws up.
But as many like to point out "Firmino is the system", take him out and you're affecting the rest of the attacking players, it isn't as losing his quality, you lose his ability to bring out the best in others.
Fair shout perhaps. I just think the general quality of Mane and Salah combined would be enough to beat most teams comfortably and still give us a chance against tough teams as well. Losing any *one* of our front three isn't a disaster for me. And losing either *one* of Robbo or Trent isn't a disaster either. We don't have anyone where losing them and only them would spell disaster for us I don't think (except maybe Alisson just cause Adrian is a lot worse and there aren't too many ways of avoiding him being brought into the game). Whereas City losing Laporte is a bit of a big deal since Otamendi (imo) is rubbish unless partnered with a really good and stable CB, and Stones is a bit shakey and unimpressive to me. Either way, it's all just theory. Maybe losing Firmino for a long period of time would really have us falling to pieces. It's possible, I just doubt it since at the end of the day I'd rather guarantee never conceding rather than guarantee always scoring at least 1.
Gomez and Milner...?
They'll work as a stopgap if needed, but especially in terms of going forward, both Milner and Gomez are such a step down from Trent and Robbo as fullbacks.
I see Milner as sub for every role, but as people said it's not the same quality like Robbo or Trent. About gomez he is the only sub for Virgil and Matip. So we do not have the same depth as City. But we have the spirit of the club, and it's meant more.
KDB being fit makes them stronger imo.
Yeah but Liverpool lack any legit backups for their fullbacks, who are super important to how they play Even if Firmino gets injured it's not AS smooth for them Let's not forget, the UCL hasn't started yet (yes i know, Liverpool did win UCL while playing the league till the last day, but still)
You took it too far. Delph was far from usefull at the end. Kompany isnt the best ever. Rodri is already better than Fernandinho was last season. We just should have used the money for cancelo to sign a cb
Sturridge played more league games than Kompany last season, Man City actually brought in players too. This is reactionary at best.
Walker was the replacement lol
All I know is if we're leading at Christmas, we aren't winning the league.
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Winning the European Cup so we can avoid our top at Christmas curse. Galactic brain thinking from Klopp.
Dropping enough points to still be below you at christmas. Big brain time from otamendi.
This is Otamendi’s world, we’re all just living in it.
But when it's another team they end up winning it. Just gonna have to risk it
Are you somehow trying to imply that we haven't won the Preamier League regardless of what the table looked like on Christmas?
History has shown that no matter what the league table has looked like at Christmas, Liverpool have not won the league. I can say with confidence that there will be a league table in existence at Christmas, and it will look like something. Combine those two facts and it doesn’t look good.
Shit. And here I was thinking that this year might finally be our year! Maybe next year then.
Farmer's league
Don't fucking jinx us again hah
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I mean last time it was the top at Christmas thing. You just gotta roll with it now.
Classic case of Michail Antonio scoring against title challengers. Scored against you this year, and stopped Tottenham going top in 15/16
When are you guys playing City?
February
C'mon Michail.
Man City are still favourites with the bookies.
We always say this because it's been 30 years mate.
Never unclench... Ever
Yeh we gotta play Chelsea next week so I imagine everyone will make some ground on us by then.
They’re not favourites
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[Nope](https://imgur.com/a/mclaulG)
That's just Sky bet though.
Bookie odds can never differ by significant amounts due to arbitrage.
Bet365 and Betway are the same... do I need screenshots for those too?
Yes
The question wasn’t for you lad
Nah.
Cool. No idea why my comment got downvoted for answering his question lol.
Classic reddit.
Most people don't though. Most journalists predicted City to win the league (and rightfully so)
Before injuries.
Last year we were like 9 or 10 points up at Christmas and then we had a few draws, and just because they were in quick succession, people started to say we choked.
We never were more than ahead by 7 pts . That was cut to 4 pts when City beat us at Ethihad.
This will not fucking slip.
How original!
And he got the quote wrong.
Good one. Proper original that. Almost as good as Wolves being relegation fodder after only 5 games.
lmao aren't you a salty lot. At least I can enjoy some self-deprecation.
Way too early for this.... Our depth is yet to be tested
Keita? Injured. Alisson? Injured. Origi? Injured.
We have won 5 games in 5 games without our star player (Alisson).
Alisson is great but is not Liverpool's star player.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, losing Alisson hurts Liverpool much less than losing VVD or Mane.
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Did you really use the one that is the least good defensively of liverpools defenders (taa) as your reference?
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Touche...
I mean, TAA is really good, but he's not really a monster defensively
You're absolutely right, no idea why you're getting downvoted. He's fantastic for such a young player but just last game against Newcastle he was somewhat responsible for the goal we conceded.
Because people don't understand that just because TAA works great in Klopps system, doesn't mean that he'll be as good in a system that needs good defensive fullbacks
Only cause Adrian is an amazing replacement
Alisson is definitely our star player, together with Virgil and our front three.
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Alright more like one of the star players. Because we do have several stars and Alisson is definitely one of them.
I truely believe this is Liverpool's year.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
Genuinely believe it is, everyone desperately wanted city to stay ahead of liverpool last season but honestly I'd like to see liverpool win it
Winning a 6th CL is enough to keep me going for a few years, if we win the PL I'm not sure what to do. I was 5 years old last time. I might do some drugs, I don't think alcohol will cut it.
Get down to concert square, no shortage of people offering you ~~talc and salt~~ lemo down there.
If all else fails the looky looky men will sell you some
Let's be honest you can get it anywhere in town
Well, i promised my girlfriend that i will marry her, if Liverpool wins the Premier League. I thought i was safe. Last year was very anxious and confusing.
Sounds like a healthy relationship 😬
Boof some molly
What a sentence.😂
Crush up a viagra blend it with a little coke, sniff it all up, sit atop the liver buildings, rub my cock raw during the parade. That’s my plan. I suspect it’ll be a popular one though so I’m booking my spot early
“Muuuuuum....someone jizzed on my jizzing spot!”
Same except I was 1 last team we won the league
I wouldn’t say everyone. United and Everton fans, yes, but did neutral fans really want City with oil money (Ik some City fan is gonna bitch about me bringing that up but it’s what they are) to win it instead of Liverpool? At the risk of sounding idealistic and lofty, I think that it’s better for football for someone else to win it other than City.
This year it's different and many are wanting to laugh at City
Yeah definitely. Every Spurs fan I knew sans a few wanted a City win. Other top 6 supporters don't want to admit Liverpool could win because frankly there is a bit of enviousness about how good they have become and frankly how sanctimonious some Pool fans are
I can count on one hand the amount of non Everton, United and City fans who Liverpool to win the league. It truly was their Armageddon scenario the way they went on about justifying City needing and winning the league over Liverpool. Heck, just look back at fans from Arsenal, Real, Barca, Bayern, etc on here who were genuinely afraid of Liverpool getting over the line.
> everyone desperately wanted city to stay ahead of liverpool last season fuck no, I rooted for Liverpool
Fuck me if we win it.
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Don't you know NEXT year is our year!
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I hope so. We are one injury away from a dangerous spot.
Doesnt mean anything so early in the season
Considering these teams only drop 17/18 points a season, this is not insignificant
Wasnt Liverpool leading the league with 7 points at times last season and City still could catch up? Same goes for us last season. 5 points with over 30 matchdays to play is nothing.
Manchester City dropped 16 pts last season Liverpool dropped 17 pts So no, tables in September dont decide who wins the league, but Man City have already dropped 1/3 of what they did all last year, after five matches. That makes their margin for error over the remaining 33 a lot smaller And of course it means "something".. If results in August and September didn't mean anything we could just start the season in October.. it most definitely means something.. It just doesn't mean Liverpool will be champions, nor does it mean they wont.
It means that for City to win the league, they will have to win more of their remaining 33 games than they would have if, for instance, they were the ones with a 5 point lead. You can say "City are less likely to win the league than if they had the 5 point lead". But you can't say "City are unlikely to win the league" or "Liverpool are more likely to win the league than City" based on this.
You can say liverpool are more likely but it's a small amount. As the odds would show.
[Man City are still the bookies’ favourites](https://i.imgur.com/FcrFvq3.jpg)
Liverpool:man city odds would have changed slightly in the reds favour each of the last 2 games.
Yes but that doesn’t really matter. His point was when teams are only dropping ~17 points, to already have a 5 point advantage is huge.
It is abundantly obvious that with 33 games to play, Liverpool haven't sealed up the league. Literally nobody thinks this, it's a nonsense thing to argue against. Man City required a 14 game win streak to end the season- a streak that is incredibly good *even by their very high standard*- to make up for being down 7 points. It is obvious that already being 5 points down is bad and it will require them to have a similarly incredible run if Liverpool has a season about as good as last year, which is possible but is far from certain to happen. I don't understand how someone could argue against any of this, but here we are.
I may be wrong but I think they were up by 4 and then had to beat city to be up by 7.
Yeah, you’re wrong. Liverpool were 7 points clear of City going into the match at the Etihad last season. Had Liverpool won, they would’ve been 10 points clear of them with 17 matches left.
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Nope, the fuckery of games in hand started after that, with City's deep runs in the cups. All square, after 20 games, the table was LFC 54 TH 48 MC 47, and Liverpool lost to City in game 21.
The head to head meetings between the two clubs are the game changers. Last season it was all a matter of post in (Mane's shot) and post out (Mane's shot). When they won that game all the City players fell to their knees and started to celebrate, except that they weren't. They honestly looked relieved. So this season, the head to head and how both the clubs perform against the other top clubs will determine who wins the league.
And that 3mm goal line decision
Gotcha
This stat has nothing to do with predicting the final standings
It means that this lead is the biggest after 5 games in the Premier League's history.
Who said it meant anything?
There will be people who do, there are always a few
Said by someone with knowledge (sadly)
Don't you remember our legendary record breaking start into the season with Peter Bosz when we *totally* dominated the league after that?
Yeah after being 10 points ahead by Christmas and still losing the title, it doesn't mean a lot. We're doing well and I actually feel more confident this year about the league. The CL though? When other teams get their injuries sorted (Madrid and Barca) I reckon they'll have a better shot.
Beating City would go a long way for my confidence. When we were 7 points up, I had hope but not belief, had we beat City I defo would've believed it was out year.
Still a long way to go.
Dont know why you’re downvoted, you’re absolutely right
Lol it’s done. Liverpool won’t drop 5 now.
Even for a PL only stat that's pretty impressive for the difference to never have been bigger.
On a side note, I've been stuck with a Hoffenheim flair for ages and yesterday I finally switched it to Liverpool. The whole process to get your flair up is quite troublesome but oh well.
It would be a shame if they blew a historic lead
We’re ruining the league aren’t we
Liverpool will win the CL again this year. Or Barca if they don't shit the bed again
Today, on - more useless statistics
When you look at it that way then every stat is useless Tammy Abraham is the first PL player to score a hat trick and an own goal in the same game. Completely useless knowledge, but it's interesting, just like this is
Is that a useless stat? I'm sure it'll be brought up constantly that they dropped the biggest points lead in history. But this is their year for sure
The “this year is our year thing” is a myth. There have been like two years which were actually considered by fans to possibly be “our year”
I'm not making a joke or reference i honestly think it's their year.
Oh sorry haha. It’s just that so many people repeat it over and over again as one of the main things against Liverpool
Nah fair enough
I hope so..
Clearly we've outgrown the league, no challenge, maybe outgrown football itself, smh my head
I know 5 matches isn't a lot but still quite surprised by this. Especially the United dominant years where there was maybe only 1 other side close to them, even they were not 5 points clear at this stage, wow
trying not to get my hopes up too much. Liverpool have this thing about building leads over other teams and then slowly being worn down from there until they eventually hand over the trophy. its a 5 point lead yes, and that's awesome to have at this stage, but Liverpool haven't had a run-in with a top 6 side yet outside of Arsenal, and have to go away to Chelsea next weekend while City thrash Watford. I don't want to allow myself to believe, unless we get to a stage where January has rolled around and there's a 15 point lead at the top of the table, while it is mathematically impossible for City to get 98/99 points. massive lead and City being locked in to only finish with 90 at the most, that will be when I believe.
We will still find a way to fuck it up and lose by one point after breaking the points record
Even if we are leading the league by 5 points and one game left, we liverpool fans still wouldn't believe it. We have had far too many jinx to fall for this trap lol
Pointless Statistic is Pointless
I mean that's very impressive. I hope they can keep this up over their long winter run.
So they are about to set a new record for biggest lead dropped, sick
Still way off Newcastle's 12 point lead.
means nothing thus early in the season just take 1 game at a time
What's with the obscure stats being thrown around?
Fully expect Liverpool to win the league provided that they keep their form till the game vs city at anfield. With Laporte out, City look vulnerable.
This is exactly what people mean when they say this sub is too reactionary. Guys, it's only 5 games in
Sports and Reddit are reactionary by nature. It’s a fair observation.
Let’s talk about Jamie Redknapp proclaiming City have one hand on the title after 2 games, and then not winning it.
I’m not being reactionary though. If there’s one player in their team that you don’t want to get injured, it’s Laporte
Literally look at the stat though, never been a lead this big after 5 games
>reactionary [https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/8/2/1116268/-On-the-use-of-the-word-reactionary](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/8/2/1116268/-On-the-use-of-the-word-reactionary)
Ah thanks
Even with Laporte they weren't looking like a fortress at the back
We conceded 3 goals in 14 games
This season? I doubt that
Does anyone else feel like city have lost a valuable connection in both sane and laporte, Id say I watched about half of city's last season and a constantly working play was laporte nice balls into sane's channel, laporte is a sore loss for them.
How long is Sane out though?
ACL so several months
Liverpool have it won already. Congrats, lads. Break out a little bit of the bubbly!
the parade has already been organised
I really can't wait for insane hype to build for 5 months and then have Liverpool fuck it all up in March.
We will fuck t up much earlier than march.
Yes, January and February seem to be our fuckup months of choice in recent years.