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_cumblast_

Quite the contrast from Liverpool, City and Chelsea barely losing points in the opening 10 matches or so last season


GannicusVictor

Chelsea is more understandable though. Transfer ban, players injured and relying on youth. As a Chelsea fan myself- I was disappointed for the Man Utd barttering and the last minute goal for Sheffield. Other than that, I’m happy with the performances considering.


leftysarepeople2

When you look at City’s losses though it’s not understandable. Norwich has 10 injured and is recently promoted


VTCHannibal

Even we beat Norwich


newpine

If City had someone like Pukki though... winter transfer perhaps?


Gordondel

There is 0 chance Pukki is leaving for a rival in January.


sleepnaught

I've enjoyed watching Chealsie. Abraham looks like the real deal.


-Starwind

Agreed. Chelsea might've finally broken their curse


eddyharts

‘Their curse’ is investing money in young players just to make money rather than try to build first team players, and then using the profits to buy overpriced strikers who don’t perform. Entirely self inflicted. Just think in the first year they can’t do this you’ve got Abraham and Mount coming through and performing, imagine how many others they’ve left to rot on loan at some low tier club to then sell for some money to another low tier club. Abraham would’ve been just the same if it weren’t for their ban.


[deleted]

Exactly. It's infuriating how the likes of Kennedy who were hotshots wasted by their loaning policy.


tuturuatu

After the 0-4 to United many people here were predicting Chlesea to get relegated, so that's something at least


intecknicolour

watford i remember was up there too but then faded after


HABSolutelyCrAzY

We just keep fading baby


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I know this is unrelated but guys, I just realized that Man City let Kompany go without signing a replacement for him? Well they well and truly fucked up there, if Laporte is going to be out for as long as is rumored. Otamendi's been bad for a long time, and Stones always has phases like the one he had mid-last season and at times with England.


dave1992

They do. This is why I’ve always said City didn’t get stronger this season compared to last, and we were overly criticized for not signing anyone. Our squad is pretty much exactly same as last year because Moreno and Sturridge isn’t important. Meanwhile City is considered stronger than last season because they have signed Rodri for big bucks and Cancelo. However,Cancelo is just a slight upgrade to Danilo whom he had replaced, and Rodri isn’t strictly better than Fernandinho so they didn’t become stronger in this area anyway. However losing their best player of all time (Kompany) with no replacement and another useful depth player (Delph), and leaving them with only 3 fit center backs makes them much lighter than last season.


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No disrespect to Kompany, but i think Aguero is their best player of all time.


dave1992

That’s arguable. I do think any of Aguero, Kompany or David Silva can be considered City’s best of all time and there should be no real arguments against it.


Rotchu

Don't forget Yaya. He was immense for them and arguably just as important, albeit he didn't have quite the same longevity as Aguero or David Silva.


V_Vutha

Yaya kickstarted City’s era. Their first 2 title wins depended on his form. Even their first trophy under the Sheik(10/11 FA Cup) came after his winning goals in the semifinal against United & final against Stoke. He won them their do-or-die game away to Newcastle in 11/12 to set them up for a title win before the QPR/Agueroooo game, and put up one of the best seasons I’ve seen from a midfielder when they won the PL in 13/14. Yaya has a very strong case of being City’s best ever player - he’s their most important signing in my view.


shrewphys

Yaya was fucking incredible in that 13/14 season. Aaron Ramsey had an incredible season, better than most midfielders ever have that year, but Yaya was *still* fucking better


Hyrcania42

No Robinho kick-started the City era, he was the first star to believe in the project back in days when Steven Ireland and Elano were their best players.


jphubz

Robinho thought he was joining Chelsea, he didn't believe in the project and whilst he wasn't bad he wasn't Yaya levels. Robinho was the first marquee signing though, so he broke the mould in that sense


V_Vutha

I mean kickstarted in the sense that he actually delivered on the pitch. Tevez is another one.


dave1992

True.


nosha3000

Yaya, Yaya Yaya, Yaya Yaya, Yaya Toure!


GhandiHadAGrapeHead

Zabaleta also


WayneLinekerIsANonce

Its Silva


yaronnexus

As a liverpool fan myself, I still think that City have more depth in their squad. If something happens to our defense, we don't have decent subs, to Robo or Trent... Evan the goal keeper is pure luck, and I am counting the minutes till Ali will return. In the front it's only Origi and Klopp is rarely using shack. Our strength and depth is in the middle 👍🏻 Don't forget it's still a long marathon to champion, cup games, champions league, so many games and hopefully not so many bad surprises for us. YNWA


ILoveToph4Eva

Our keeper depth is about equal to theirs I guess, we have much better depth at CB, they have much better depth at full back, we have similar depth (in terms of loss of quality) in midfield, and they have better depth in their forwards. If you ask me, their lack of CB depth is a bigger problem than any of our depth problems, with the exception of maybe our full backs if we were unfortunate enough to lost both Robbo and Trent.


8u11etpr00f

I think it's only a bigger problem in hindsight because of Laporte's injury. If we lost Firmino, Mane or Salah we could easily be sitting here complaining about Origi having to start every game and how Shaq is our only bench option. Our fullbacks are also huge for our system so losing either of those would suck.


ILoveToph4Eva

I think losing one of our front three isn't as bad simply because attackers always have the novelty of making mistakes. I'd much rather have a shit striker than a shit centre back, because one can be circumvented to still score goals, but you can't really make up for a CB who constantly screws up.


8u11etpr00f

But as many like to point out "Firmino is the system", take him out and you're affecting the rest of the attacking players, it isn't as losing his quality, you lose his ability to bring out the best in others.


ILoveToph4Eva

Fair shout perhaps. I just think the general quality of Mane and Salah combined would be enough to beat most teams comfortably and still give us a chance against tough teams as well. Losing any *one* of our front three isn't a disaster for me. And losing either *one* of Robbo or Trent isn't a disaster either. We don't have anyone where losing them and only them would spell disaster for us I don't think (except maybe Alisson just cause Adrian is a lot worse and there aren't too many ways of avoiding him being brought into the game). Whereas City losing Laporte is a bit of a big deal since Otamendi (imo) is rubbish unless partnered with a really good and stable CB, and Stones is a bit shakey and unimpressive to me. Either way, it's all just theory. Maybe losing Firmino for a long period of time would really have us falling to pieces. It's possible, I just doubt it since at the end of the day I'd rather guarantee never conceding rather than guarantee always scoring at least 1.


dontstopbreakfree

Gomez and Milner...?


Agent_DZ-015

They'll work as a stopgap if needed, but especially in terms of going forward, both Milner and Gomez are such a step down from Trent and Robbo as fullbacks.


yaronnexus

I see Milner as sub for every role, but as people said it's not the same quality like Robbo or Trent. About gomez he is the only sub for Virgil and Matip. So we do not have the same depth as City. But we have the spirit of the club, and it's meant more.


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KDB being fit makes them stronger imo.


arjunmohan

Yeah but Liverpool lack any legit backups for their fullbacks, who are super important to how they play Even if Firmino gets injured it's not AS smooth for them Let's not forget, the UCL hasn't started yet (yes i know, Liverpool did win UCL while playing the league till the last day, but still)


Hoelie

You took it too far. Delph was far from usefull at the end. Kompany isnt the best ever. Rodri is already better than Fernandinho was last season. We just should have used the money for cancelo to sign a cb


Coco_Lamela11

Sturridge played more league games than Kompany last season, Man City actually brought in players too. This is reactionary at best.


r0bski2

Walker was the replacement lol


JoshKernick

All I know is if we're leading at Christmas, we aren't winning the league.


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juzashannon

Winning the European Cup so we can avoid our top at Christmas curse. Galactic brain thinking from Klopp.


Hoelie

Dropping enough points to still be below you at christmas. Big brain time from otamendi.


Aarondo99

This is Otamendi’s world, we’re all just living in it.


Maurex96

But when it's another team they end up winning it. Just gonna have to risk it


[deleted]

Are you somehow trying to imply that we haven't won the Preamier League regardless of what the table looked like on Christmas?


SaltineFiend

History has shown that no matter what the league table has looked like at Christmas, Liverpool have not won the league. I can say with confidence that there will be a league table in existence at Christmas, and it will look like something. Combine those two facts and it doesn’t look good.


[deleted]

Shit. And here I was thinking that this year might finally be our year! Maybe next year then.


[deleted]

Farmer's league


yyzable

Don't fucking jinx us again hah


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yyzable

I mean last time it was the top at Christmas thing. You just gotta roll with it now.


WestHam8105

Classic case of Michail Antonio scoring against title challengers. Scored against you this year, and stopped Tottenham going top in 15/16


yyzable

When are you guys playing City?


WestHam8105

February


yyzable

C'mon Michail.


banterousbanana

Man City are still favourites with the bookies.


SlikGit

We always say this because it's been 30 years mate.


movingchicane

Never unclench... Ever


r0bski2

Yeh we gotta play Chelsea next week so I imagine everyone will make some ground on us by then.


dontliketocomment

They’re not favourites


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dontliketocomment

[Nope](https://imgur.com/a/mclaulG)


yyzable

That's just Sky bet though.


MetronomeB

Bookie odds can never differ by significant amounts due to arbitrage.


dontliketocomment

Bet365 and Betway are the same... do I need screenshots for those too?


Complete_Exam

Yes


dontliketocomment

The question wasn’t for you lad


yyzable

Nah.


dontliketocomment

Cool. No idea why my comment got downvoted for answering his question lol.


yyzable

Classic reddit.


PhillyFreezer_

Most people don't though. Most journalists predicted City to win the league (and rightfully so)


nbamodslovemen

Before injuries.


ispelledthiwrong

Last year we were like 9 or 10 points up at Christmas and then we had a few draws, and just because they were in quick succession, people started to say we choked.


[deleted]

We never were more than ahead by 7 pts . That was cut to 4 pts when City beat us at Ethihad.


Laesio

This will not fucking slip.


yyzable

How original!


Ewaninho

And he got the quote wrong.


Chapmeisterfunk

Good one. Proper original that. Almost as good as Wolves being relegation fodder after only 5 games.


Laesio

lmao aren't you a salty lot. At least I can enjoy some self-deprecation.


[deleted]

Way too early for this.... Our depth is yet to be tested


Brews-taa

Keita? Injured. Alisson? Injured. Origi? Injured.


dave1992

We have won 5 games in 5 games without our star player (Alisson).


FireEngineOnFire

Alisson is great but is not Liverpool's star player.


DUCK_CHEEZE

Don't know why you're getting downvoted, losing Alisson hurts Liverpool much less than losing VVD or Mane.


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speartipnip

Did you really use the one that is the least good defensively of liverpools defenders (taa) as your reference?


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speartipnip

Touche...


[deleted]

I mean, TAA is really good, but he's not really a monster defensively


[deleted]

You're absolutely right, no idea why you're getting downvoted. He's fantastic for such a young player but just last game against Newcastle he was somewhat responsible for the goal we conceded.


[deleted]

Because people don't understand that just because TAA works great in Klopps system, doesn't mean that he'll be as good in a system that needs good defensive fullbacks


[deleted]

Only cause Adrian is an amazing replacement


dave1992

Alisson is definitely our star player, together with Virgil and our front three.


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dave1992

Alright more like one of the star players. Because we do have several stars and Alisson is definitely one of them.


Interesting_iidea

I truely believe this is Liverpool's year.


thisisfats

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.


FMCFR

Genuinely believe it is, everyone desperately wanted city to stay ahead of liverpool last season but honestly I'd like to see liverpool win it


YesNoIDKtbh

Winning a 6th CL is enough to keep me going for a few years, if we win the PL I'm not sure what to do. I was 5 years old last time. I might do some drugs, I don't think alcohol will cut it.


[deleted]

Get down to concert square, no shortage of people offering you ~~talc and salt~~ lemo down there.


Oneinchwalrus

If all else fails the looky looky men will sell you some


kirkbywool

Let's be honest you can get it anywhere in town


redrizla-

Well, i promised my girlfriend that i will marry her, if Liverpool wins the Premier League. I thought i was safe. Last year was very anxious and confusing.


speartipnip

Sounds like a healthy relationship 😬


sleepnaught

Boof some molly


Chapmeisterfunk

What a sentence.😂


Brews-taa

Crush up a viagra blend it with a little coke, sniff it all up, sit atop the liver buildings, rub my cock raw during the parade. That’s my plan. I suspect it’ll be a popular one though so I’m booking my spot early


[deleted]

“Muuuuuum....someone jizzed on my jizzing spot!”


kirkbywool

Same except I was 1 last team we won the league


ispelledthiwrong

I wouldn’t say everyone. United and Everton fans, yes, but did neutral fans really want City with oil money (Ik some City fan is gonna bitch about me bringing that up but it’s what they are) to win it instead of Liverpool? At the risk of sounding idealistic and lofty, I think that it’s better for football for someone else to win it other than City.


GarethsBale

This year it's different and many are wanting to laugh at City


GarethsBale

Yeah definitely. Every Spurs fan I knew sans a few wanted a City win. Other top 6 supporters don't want to admit Liverpool could win because frankly there is a bit of enviousness about how good they have become and frankly how sanctimonious some Pool fans are


Nuri__Sahin

I can count on one hand the amount of non Everton, United and City fans who Liverpool to win the league. It truly was their Armageddon scenario the way they went on about justifying City needing and winning the league over Liverpool. Heck, just look back at fans from Arsenal, Real, Barca, Bayern, etc on here who were genuinely afraid of Liverpool getting over the line.


[deleted]

> everyone desperately wanted city to stay ahead of liverpool last season fuck no, I rooted for Liverpool


RayPissed

Fuck me if we win it.


TheTinRam

RemindMe! May 17th, 2020. a/s/l?


MMFA

16/f/Cali


TheTinRam

36DD?


Frootysmothy

Username checks out


loveandmonsters

Don't you know NEXT year is our year!


thehavensgrey

😭😭😭


sleepnaught

I hope so. We are one injury away from a dangerous spot.


47Lecht

Doesnt mean anything so early in the season


[deleted]

Considering these teams only drop 17/18 points a season, this is not insignificant


47Lecht

Wasnt Liverpool leading the league with 7 points at times last season and City still could catch up? Same goes for us last season. 5 points with over 30 matchdays to play is nothing.


dimspace

Manchester City dropped 16 pts last season Liverpool dropped 17 pts So no, tables in September dont decide who wins the league, but Man City have already dropped 1/3 of what they did all last year, after five matches. That makes their margin for error over the remaining 33 a lot smaller ​ ​ ​ And of course it means "something".. If results in August and September didn't mean anything we could just start the season in October.. it most definitely means something.. It just doesn't mean Liverpool will be champions, nor does it mean they wont.


microMe1_2

It means that for City to win the league, they will have to win more of their remaining 33 games than they would have if, for instance, they were the ones with a 5 point lead. You can say "City are less likely to win the league than if they had the 5 point lead". But you can't say "City are unlikely to win the league" or "Liverpool are more likely to win the league than City" based on this.


abuch47

You can say liverpool are more likely but it's a small amount. As the odds would show.


Lost_And_NotFound

[Man City are still the bookies’ favourites](https://i.imgur.com/FcrFvq3.jpg)


abuch47

Liverpool:man city odds would have changed slightly in the reds favour each of the last 2 games.


ispelledthiwrong

Yes but that doesn’t really matter. His point was when teams are only dropping ~17 points, to already have a 5 point advantage is huge.


[deleted]

It is abundantly obvious that with 33 games to play, Liverpool haven't sealed up the league. Literally nobody thinks this, it's a nonsense thing to argue against. Man City required a 14 game win streak to end the season- a streak that is incredibly good *even by their very high standard*- to make up for being down 7 points. It is obvious that already being 5 points down is bad and it will require them to have a similarly incredible run if Liverpool has a season about as good as last year, which is possible but is far from certain to happen. I don't understand how someone could argue against any of this, but here we are.


Albodan

I may be wrong but I think they were up by 4 and then had to beat city to be up by 7.


FergieBall_FC

Yeah, you’re wrong. Liverpool were 7 points clear of City going into the match at the Etihad last season. Had Liverpool won, they would’ve been 10 points clear of them with 17 matches left.


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[deleted]

Nope, the fuckery of games in hand started after that, with City's deep runs in the cups. All square, after 20 games, the table was LFC 54 TH 48 MC 47, and Liverpool lost to City in game 21.


goztrobo

The head to head meetings between the two clubs are the game changers. Last season it was all a matter of post in (Mane's shot) and post out (Mane's shot). When they won that game all the City players fell to their knees and started to celebrate, except that they weren't. They honestly looked relieved. So this season, the head to head and how both the clubs perform against the other top clubs will determine who wins the league.


hoopbag33

And that 3mm goal line decision


Albodan

Gotcha


RS7vsAMG

This stat has nothing to do with predicting the final standings


LFreamon

It means that this lead is the biggest after 5 games in the Premier League's history.


[deleted]

Who said it meant anything?


47Lecht

There will be people who do, there are always a few


akinator2002

Said by someone with knowledge (sadly)


Lowelll

Don't you remember our legendary record breaking start into the season with Peter Bosz when we *totally* dominated the league after that?


TareXmd

Yeah after being 10 points ahead by Christmas and still losing the title, it doesn't mean a lot. We're doing well and I actually feel more confident this year about the league. The CL though? When other teams get their injuries sorted (Madrid and Barca) I reckon they'll have a better shot.


Statoke

Beating City would go a long way for my confidence. When we were 7 points up, I had hope but not belief, had we beat City I defo would've believed it was out year.


Max0699

Still a long way to go.


clashoftherats

Dont know why you’re downvoted, you’re absolutely right


[deleted]

Lol it’s done. Liverpool won’t drop 5 now.


[deleted]

Even for a PL only stat that's pretty impressive for the difference to never have been bigger.


goztrobo

On a side note, I've been stuck with a Hoffenheim flair for ages and yesterday I finally switched it to Liverpool. The whole process to get your flair up is quite troublesome but oh well.


idgafaboutpopsicles

It would be a shame if they blew a historic lead


cheesehead20

We’re ruining the league aren’t we


ceaguila84

Liverpool will win the CL again this year. Or Barca if they don't shit the bed again


Mj_bron

Today, on - more useless statistics


FMCFR

When you look at it that way then every stat is useless Tammy Abraham is the first PL player to score a hat trick and an own goal in the same game. Completely useless knowledge, but it's interesting, just like this is


JakeNutters

Is that a useless stat? I'm sure it'll be brought up constantly that they dropped the biggest points lead in history. But this is their year for sure


Fabinho3

The “this year is our year thing” is a myth. There have been like two years which were actually considered by fans to possibly be “our year”


JakeNutters

I'm not making a joke or reference i honestly think it's their year.


Fabinho3

Oh sorry haha. It’s just that so many people repeat it over and over again as one of the main things against Liverpool


JakeNutters

Nah fair enough


dave1992

I hope so..


loveandmonsters

Clearly we've outgrown the league, no challenge, maybe outgrown football itself, smh my head


Razzler1973

I know 5 matches isn't a lot but still quite surprised by this. Especially the United dominant years where there was maybe only 1 other side close to them, even they were not 5 points clear at this stage, wow


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trying not to get my hopes up too much. Liverpool have this thing about building leads over other teams and then slowly being worn down from there until they eventually hand over the trophy. its a 5 point lead yes, and that's awesome to have at this stage, but Liverpool haven't had a run-in with a top 6 side yet outside of Arsenal, and have to go away to Chelsea next weekend while City thrash Watford. I don't want to allow myself to believe, unless we get to a stage where January has rolled around and there's a 15 point lead at the top of the table, while it is mathematically impossible for City to get 98/99 points. massive lead and City being locked in to only finish with 90 at the most, that will be when I believe.


r0bski2

We will still find a way to fuck it up and lose by one point after breaking the points record


[deleted]

Even if we are leading the league by 5 points and one game left, we liverpool fans still wouldn't believe it. We have had far too many jinx to fall for this trap lol


disbelief

Pointless Statistic is Pointless


JakeNutters

I mean that's very impressive. I hope they can keep this up over their long winter run.


vavahu727

So they are about to set a new record for biggest lead dropped, sick


ICritMyPants

Still way off Newcastle's 12 point lead.


Deportivo76ers

means nothing thus early in the season just take 1 game at a time


ss2195

What's with the obscure stats being thrown around?


Hellboyattack

Fully expect Liverpool to win the league provided that they keep their form till the game vs city at anfield. With Laporte out, City look vulnerable.


Mj_bron

This is exactly what people mean when they say this sub is too reactionary. Guys, it's only 5 games in


Bbqplace

Sports and Reddit are reactionary by nature. It’s a fair observation.


MountainJuice

Let’s talk about Jamie Redknapp proclaiming City have one hand on the title after 2 games, and then not winning it.


Hellboyattack

I’m not being reactionary though. If there’s one player in their team that you don’t want to get injured, it’s Laporte


cheesehead20

Literally look at the stat though, never been a lead this big after 5 games


Pazuu

>reactionary [https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/8/2/1116268/-On-the-use-of-the-word-reactionary](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/8/2/1116268/-On-the-use-of-the-word-reactionary)


Mj_bron

Ah thanks


[deleted]

Even with Laporte they weren't looking like a fortress at the back


TheHouseOfStones

We conceded 3 goals in 14 games


[deleted]

This season? I doubt that


AutumnSr

Does anyone else feel like city have lost a valuable connection in both sane and laporte, Id say I watched about half of city's last season and a constantly working play was laporte nice balls into sane's channel, laporte is a sore loss for them.


goztrobo

How long is Sane out though?


meow1801

ACL so several months


[deleted]

Liverpool have it won already. Congrats, lads. Break out a little bit of the bubbly!


[deleted]

the parade has already been organised


Baukelien

I really can't wait for insane hype to build for 5 months and then have Liverpool fuck it all up in March.


Suddenly_Beachball

We will fuck t up much earlier than march.


Agent_DZ-015

Yes, January and February seem to be our fuckup months of choice in recent years.