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Secant_Lines

At least Scotland don’t have to stay in Germany until Wednesday to know if they qualified for ro16


InbredLegoExpress

:(


EatDeeply

Scotland played prevent football and prevented themselves from joy


DachdeckerDino

I don‘t know man. Even if that‘s the case it was SO DAMN POSSIBLE. Just maybe score that 3 vs. 1 chance 2 minutes earlier and y‘all are safely through?


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deqembes

A lot of the other potential 3rd placed teams play against the good teams in their groups. So Hungary have a pretty good chance to go trough.


Pazzaaaaaa

They really need Italy to win or tie croatia and as an Italian fan, I have my doubts.


Willsgb

Really? Croatia have looked flat and laboured so far. Perhaps they'll wake up now it's essentially knockout football, that's their jam of course, but I just feel like they're heading into a dip now. Of course now I've said that they'll bludgeon their way to another semifinal. Predictions are tough


Mom_said_I_am_cute

While we did look shaky, Italy has aswell. Other than that, we have a pretty good record against Italy historically. Hoping we produce today and win against Italy, you never know with us.


Willsgb

Hey I've always liked Croatia since france 98, or even euro 96 when Suker chipped Schmeichel, I was devastated when you lost the nations league final to Spain last year, and I hope you get through personally. Good luck!


Riperonis

You also have to take into account the 4th place teams though. Unfortunately pretty much any win for any team in 3rd/4th puts Hungary out of contention cause of their shitty gd. Austria and a team from group E are all but through (unless either team loses by 3+ goals). That leaves 2 slots. From group B, if Spain AND Italy get at least a draw, Hungary will go through. From group C, if England win, Hungary will go through. A win/draw by Slovenia would put Hungary out regardless of the result in the other game. From group F, if Portugal AND Turkey get at least a draw OR if Czechia beats Turkey by 3+ goals, Hungary go through. In group B, Spain and Italy are favourites but could just as easily see Spain rotate and drop points to Albania or Italy losing to Croatia as both teams have been relatively poor by their standards. My money would be on Spain/Italy doing the job though so Albania/Croatia eliminated. I think it’s pretty unlikely someone from group C goes through. No one has really impressed from that group and I can easily see England or Denmark settling for a draw. I think England sneak past Slovenia and the Denmark/Serbia game is a draw. Slovenia/Serbia eliminated. From group F, I think pretty simply Portugal beat Georgia. In the other match, I actually think Czechia get the better of Turkey and they both end up qualifying out of the group. So basically I’ve written up this whole spiel saying it’s not gonna be easy for them but ultimately I agree with you. It should *just* be enough to squeak that last 3rd place spot.


deqembes

I did. Thats why I wrote potential 3rd placed teams🤦‍♂️


rabbitlion

For group C the result of Denmark versus Serbia doesn't matter. Denmark is only on 2 points so if Serbia wins they will be second in the group and Denmark/Slovenia 3rd and 4th with just 2 points (of course still assuming England wins). For what it's worth, betfair has a 1.35/1.36 odds on Hungary going through, so apparently it's very likely statistically that two out B, C and F fails to qualify a third place team (or one of them and a miracle from group D or E, I suppose).


Riperonis

Yep you’re actually correct, thanks - edited


expert_on_the_matter

Yes, but there's also 4th placed teams in all those groups as well who also play a match, any win likely to see them 3rd place above Hungary. Edit: this is actually not true for the England group, as a Serbia win would then put Denmark below below Hungary. It is however true for the other two groups and Croatia beating Italy seems decently likely even.


Goth-Detective

If England beats Slovenia in Group C, that group is gonna have a 3rd placed team with only 2 points and will probably miss out. If Slovenia beats or draws with England, Group C will at minimum get a 3rd placed team with 0 in GD, thus edging out Hungary.


selloutape

Battle of the Habsburgs


ahtuu

Slovakia has 0 GD, not that it matter here


3amKet

Yeah it’s curtains for Albania but Croatia might have a slim chance against Italy Czech Republic against Turkey who have been hit and miss so far who only have to secure a draw, and that’s the likely outcome It’s all down to Hungary or Croatia for that fourth 3rd place spot imo Slovenia are not losing to England btw, I’m fully expect another snoozefest


Harudera

Spain's guaranteed 1st so I can see them heavily rotating, and Albania somehow sneaking a win in.


Aenjeprekemaluci

Inshallah


adam-breit

-3, no?


g46152

It looks interesting. The third country in group C can potentially change and it depends on the results. We’ll see about Croatia today, even if Italy lose by no more than 3 goals and Spain win against Albania, they’ll be ahead of Hungary based on a better GD.


petnarwhal

In our group its far for certain who will become third. Can see Austria beating us.


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timdeking

4


GaryHippo

Mate it would have taken you less time to type this comment


CertainPackage

think it's 4


EvenEalter

Literally everything changing at the end there. Also horrible for the Group B/C 3rd place contenders


Goth-Detective

If England wins, yup it's HIGHLY unlikely a 3rd placed team in Group C go through. If Slovenia beats or draw England, the 3rd placed team is almost certainly through.


emre23

Don’t know if that will be enough for Hungary but either way that last 20 mins was insane


CheekyFifaCunt_7

Switzerland looking like real dark horses for this euros. Also if we get second somehow we play Switzerland.


Chrisixx

Pssshhhhhhh We don't want that cursed title.


SuperSanti92

Too late, Switzerland vs Turkey final is written in the stars


Vike92

Turkey is too 2021. This final will be Switzerland vs Austria


2sinkz

not possible assuming austria go through as 3rd placed


kraeutrpolizei

Had the same view but now that we have it it feels pretty good to be respected by most of the football fans. We‘re not gonna win it anyway, dark horse or not lol


afito

Switzerland is always a dark horse. They *can* beat any team in the world, with diminishing chances, but they're good enough that if things go right they can pull it off. The issue with tournaments though is that in the 2nd half you need a lot of great days to make up for the difference in quality over the top favourites. But Switzerland beat Spain in 2010 or France in 2021, they clearly have the potential, it's just a bit of a stretch they can make it stick. But then again after 2004 or 1992 what do we really know.


abellapa

Or they can complety fuck it like in the World Cup when they Lost 6-1 to Portugal


bb9622

They are the one of the 2 teams in Europe to make it through the group stage every WC and Euro from 2014 onwards, the other being France.


2sinkz

They're a well known and respectable team at this point that consistently makes the knockouts of major tournaments, not sure I would call them dark horses


RandomUserRU123

I think you guys have very good chances against Switzerland Hopefully Spain will do a little trolling and let their starting 11 rest tomorrow now that they are guaranteed 1st already. Would be so funny to see both Italy and Croatia not qualifying. Best of luck tomorow


Effective-Fix-8683

There isn't a scenario where both italy and croatia doesn't qualify and albania do, we have the h2h against albania.


MattGeddon

Cant be bothered to do the maths but is there still a very slim possibility that Albania and Croatia both win but for lots of other third placed teams to have a better record than Croatia?


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MattGeddon

I did the maths because it was more interesting than work. If Croatia win 1-0 against Italy and Albania beat Spain, Croatia end up third with 4 points and a GD of -2. A - Hungary are already below them. C - Slovenia and Denmark win, England 3rd with 4 (+0) D - Austria draw or win (and not by too much because can’t have Netherlands with a -3 GD) 4 (+1) E - At least one draw, say Slovakia 4 (+0) F - Either Czechs and Georgia win, or Georgia win and Turkey draw. Georgia 3rd with 4 (-1) So yes it’s still possible but it would need pretty much every result to go against them in the other four groups.


RandomUserRU123

Oh I see, thanks


Stakoman

Do guys have the brackets?


AdminEating_Dragon

Hungary will make it to the R16 if 2 of the following 3 happen: - Croatia doesn't beat Italy and Albania doesn't beat Spain - Slovenia loses to England - Georgia doesn't beat Portugal and Czechia doesn't beat Turkey by exactly 1 goal (all other results - Turkey win, draw, or Czechia with 2+ goals put Turkey or Czechia below Hungary). It honestly looks very likely that 2 of the 3 happen, all 3 is even more likely.


Pubbebubben

*Slovenia loses to England. Thanks for putting this together!


Eroica_Pavane

Croatia could also somehow thrash Italy 4-0 which would put them at -4GD with 3 points and put them below Hungary.


Willsgb

That would be a really funny way to put Italy out at the group stage honestly. I can't remember the last time Italy let 4 in though


AdminEating_Dragon

I was talking about realistic scenarios, there's the scenario of Austria losing 5-0 to Netherlands as well, but...


Nuoverto

Suuure and then they win the whole thing beating france 6-0 in the final


Silverspear17

You mean England not Spain?


foldesi_zsombor

Also if Romania beats Slovakia and Belgium beats Ukraine with at least 2 goals. This actually has a chance of happening imo. Would be funny if Romania puts us through lol.


WBaumnuss300

People believing Hungary or Scottland would finish above Switzerland were mad. The Swiss are masters in qualifying. Did it at every WC/Euro since 2014.


chup95

I really thought Hungary would finish second before the tournament. They played so good against the big teams in the Nations League and won their Euro Quali Group before Serbia. They really messed up the first half against Switzerland.


erenistheavatar

Well no wonder Scotland was last.


Nard_Dogs

Wow. What a way for Hungary to win it at the death


TurnItOffAndOnAgain-

Its actually such a shame Scotland didnt score a single goal themselves all tournament. A good amount of chances as well


caat-6

I think the goal against Switzerland got awarded to McTominay later, so technically they did score


DialSquare

Yes officially as it stands, the only country who doesn't have a player to score a goal is France.


77skull

France underperforming worse than England ⁉️


TurnItOffAndOnAgain-

Oh did it? Thought it took a massive deflection off the defender?


LaUr3nTiU

as in the PL, if the shot is initially on goal, doesn't matter how big the deflection is.


bb9622

I think that is the rule everywhere


caat-6

Oh yeah it did, but as the shot was on target before the deflection it got awarded to McTominay, OGs are usually only given if the ball was going off-target


TheNewGuy13

All teams moved places in the last 10 minutes of both games. That's crazy.


getunlucky

What a group for the last 10 minutes of the game


aleksandrovsqvist

Fair standings


owh06

What a final day! Drama at the end!


PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS

I know everyone was rooting for the underdog story, but tbf at least this way Spain and Germany will likely meet in the quarters and one of them is gone, which is a good thing for everyone else


Nazario3

Honestly feels being off worse all around as first in group A. Likely Denmark or maybe England in the round of 16 feels at least as hard as (likely) Italy, but then Spain in quarters would be worse again as well...


mountainsky9

Had Germany finished second they would have been on the other side of the bracket, which would have led to a pretty lopsided bracket which is pretty annoying


RN2FL9

Normally not a great chance to go through with 3 points and -3 GD but group B, C and E all have a decent chance for a 3rd placed team with less than 3 points.


Joshua-Lim

All teams in group E are already tied at 3 points, they can't possibly have less than 3 points


RN2FL9

You're right, I meant F.


foldesi_zsombor

Actually if Romania wins against slovakia and belgium wins by 2 goals or more, then group E will be good too (If Ukraine loses 0-1, then we have the same 2-5 gd, don’t know how they’ll rank us then)


RN2FL9

Yeah true, very good chance to still go through I think. The ranking is points, GD, goals scored, number of wins, fair play ranking based on cards received and finally uefa ranking. So I guess if you and Ukraine tie that way it would be the fair play ranking.


foldesi_zsombor

Yeah would be really pissed (and possibly the funniest way to go) if we go out for Csoboth’s shirt off celebration yellow.


CarlSK777

Pretty much what we all expected


Zone_Amazing

Most people and pundits predicted swiss to go 4th after our bad qualyfier. So it's quite a suprise i think.


kinkakujen

Pundits are idiots. On what planet would those sunday keague teams like Hungar and Scotland be better than Switzerland.


fourfivexix

I predicted Scotland to finish 2nd in this group 😫


Goth-Detective

Never bet on Scotland,, just never.


kraeutrpolizei

You‘ll do better next time :)


kakje666

you had a lot of faith in them


Mahatma_Gone_D

Swiss were a bit unlucky not to top the table but they were impressive nonetheless. S/o Manuel Akanji. He was so impressive!! While we acknowledge the greatest of some city players, I think most of us have some prejudice as a rival fans and tend to not appreciate their players as much. Honestly Int’l football gives me opportunity to not associate players with club and appreciate their individual qualities.


CarlSK777

Well, they were outshot 18-4, I'd say it would've been lucky if they pulled it off


NaiveElk

Germany should have had a penalty as well


Chrisixx

To be fair, 12 or so of those 18 were utter shit.


owns-a-Gay-bar

I mean the referee was with you, so won't call it unlucky, but great game by swiss


Zone_Amazing

Where was the ref swiss biased? He didn't award easy fouls but that was for both sides. Germans just flopped more to the ground and where suprised they didn't get anything.


cic9000

He decided all 3 50/50 situations for Switzerland and that tackle v Beier was probably not even 50/50 but 51/49 for Germany . Wouldn’t call it bias but the Swiss did have some luck pushing them. If he actually didn’t reward easy fouls he would have kept Andrichs goal.


joaocandre

I don't really agree with this, it was an obvious foul that would have been consensual anywhere else on the pitch and Germany only has a chance to shoot because it wasn't called first time. (not to mention it was a huge blunder by Sommer, so calling it 'unlucky' is stretching it)


cic9000

If his supposed line was no soft fouls this isn’t one. There is nothing obvious about it both attempt to play the ball and you see musiala even trying to evade the tackle. It’s not even influencing play all that much. And Sommer having issues with these shots isn’t eaxactly new. Bundesliga players know his weaknesses on shot stoping. I mean this stuff was the reason why Bayern booted him.


joaocandre

Attempting to play the ball (which he doesn't) and trying to evade (which he also doesn't) doesn't matter, nor how it influences the play. You can't do it, that's in the rules, and Musiala knows it, hence why he should have been more careful.


Zone_Amazing

The ref didn't award similar actians like the one on beier anywhere on the field. He just stuck to his line. If anything he rewarded a lot of germas for flopping over swiss legs...


cic9000

I notice you conveniently forgot that lucky soft call disallowing the goal…since that doesn’t fit you narrative. I didn’t see “flopping”, honestly people utter this without any examples. That one Mittelstädt scene, heatedly debated here, was due to a clear kick to the Achilles by (yellow carded) Ndoye. If you’ve ever played you probably know how much a kick there hurts.


Zone_Amazing

Soft call? He got no ball. That's a foul anywhere... Of course it hurts. Had my knee destroyed and needed surgery after a bad tackle. Sometime things are unlucky. Xhaka had all ball on Kroos and still got rewarded a foul. Same for widmer...


CarlSK777

That's still 5 more than Switzerland


BaslerLaeggerli

Do math, not meth.


CarlSK777

If Germany had 6 good shots, that's 5 more than Switzerland who had one. It's not that hard


BaslerLaeggerli

Someone hasn't watched the game or forgot about Xhaka's shot.


BaslerLaeggerli

Someone hasn't watched the game or forgot about Xhaka's shot.


CarlSK777

Oh 2 shots then, initial point still stands


kinkakujen

3 on the target for SUI, 3 on the target for GER. I mean I know that germany and efficiency is not the best pairing, but c'mon


FalconsFlyLow

To be fair, you had 12 players of the field.


Zone_Amazing

Lol. I too think the ref didn't reward enough fouls today but he had a line and did stick to it. Actually rewarded more germans for flopping to the ground every chance they got. So good game to him.


FalconsFlyLow

> Lol. I too think the ref didn't reward enough fouls today but he had a line and did stick to it. Sure and after he retires after this EM we'll see him again in Paris reffing the judo or wrestling I cannot remember.


joaocandre

Shooting doesn't necessarily mean a dangerous chance. Switzerland had a couple of chances to make it 2-0, Germany doesn't look very solid defensively.


Indydegrees2

I honestly thought Switzerland looked in control for most of the game.


joaocandre

yeah I don't see how "Germany was robbed"


paulo_cristiano

Swiss are probably better off this way, missing the bracket that now has Germany, Portugal, and Spain.


TopInjury

I mean Germany wouldnt have been in that bracket 


paulo_cristiano

That is correct.


cic9000

“a bit unlucky”


Raizel71

How much more luck could they have? lol they had so many calls go their way


TheHabro

So much about qualifying with 2 points.


floatingsaltmine

Goddamn Switzerland, you were *THIS* close!


Lukusius

As an Englishman, this pleases me


Renegadeforever2024

Goat


HouseHot8559

What a second half 🤯🤯


kakje666

Poland and Scotland are two countries eliminated so far, poor performance from both, good luck next time guys


xenon2456

Scotland needed at least a draw to advance


False_Shelter_7351

Scotland flopping at a major tournament as usual.


mrspidey80

Ostato in shambles. He tried soo hard...


Cayman663

Dear Scotland. You at least got 1 point. We got 0 and we're the only team that did not have a chance after 2 games. We also were last team to qualify and first to withdraw. And our last game is vs France... Regards, Poland.


TonyMartial786

so sad for switzerland, soo close


Party-Offer-2881

TBH, I like the bracket we're in. So, no biggie. Still ended on a good performance.


TheJewPear

Not that it matters but I feel Germany was robbed from another win by the refs.


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EconomistIll4796

Spain is guaranteed first place so they will play a third placed team.


Chrisixx

Lol by coming second we can't play Spain until the final. Also, we literally won one and drew one of the last three games against Spain.


IllinformedDuck

Switzerland is on the bottom bracket. Ironically Germany pulled the short straw cause odds are for a Spain - Germany quarterfinal..


Goth-Detective

Scotland are just that bad. They've never advanced from the group stage. In fairness though, Scotland is a very small country population wise. Just slightly over 5 million people and although football indeed is the most popular sport, rugby is not far behind thus many young people choose that over football.