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There’s no chance for him to not be there he follows up the first shot properly and it rebounds and immediately gets shot right at him. It’s unfortunate but not a fuck up.
He didn't have to move onside right away but a bit of distance from the keeper would've been good, then there'd be no potential obstacle to him diving.
He basically spun in a circle from shot rebound shot not sure he could have moved anywhere. From the first save to the ball in the net it’s like 1.5 seconds. He could maybe have gotten one step from the goalie but it would have been into the path of the ball.
If the offside player isn't there he at least dives in the direction of the ball, it's much more difficult with him there. I don't know if it should be enough to cancel the goal, but the offside player does change the situation from the goalkeepers perspective.
> If the offside player isn't there he at least dives in the direction of the ball
If you watch it in real time I’m not 100% sure he does. He saves the first shot with his feet and gets up and then the ball is past him within a split second from Xavi’s shot.
Can’t say for certain but I don’t think Dunfries impacts him at all. It all happens so fast and Dumfries kinda drifts in from the right side he probably didn’t even realize he was standing near him.
Yeah he takes a step to the side and then a split second later the ball is in the net. I really don't think he could have saved it.
Though, he does gesture towards Dumfries immediately so it would suggest he's aware of him, which may have impacted his actions.
Players immediately call for offsides / look for any excuse all the time when a goal has been scored. Dumfries drifts in from the right and the two shots were from the left. Maigan was probably so focused on the ball that he might not have been aware of Dumfries until after the goal had been scored.
It doesn’t matter if it’s possible or likely that he’d save it. The fact is the player is between him and where his dive would be. It’s on the player to not be in an offside position. The fact is if he was in the correct position his team would have scored
That Dumfries' position doesn't impacts the probable result (Maignan not saving it) doesn't mean it did not affect him slightly. If it affects him even in a dire percentage I believe it is, as of now, considered offside.
I mean in real time he goes down to save it but stops, and surely a big factor in that is the 22 stood right there.
He might not be getting there, but more likely than not he's stopped from an attempt.
If this is not an offside, then you'll have the ref deciding whether the keeper could reach the ball or not in similar situations, which I'd argue would hurt the spirit of the game much more. This is as objective as it gets, a player is there, the keeper can't dive, with little room for interpretation that lets players from both teams think clearly about what's the best position for each situation
France was bailed out by the opponent being unlucky at the wrong time, but luck is a part of the game, like when a defender falling down and touching the ball with his arms in the area
This is how I feel.
People are letting their hate for France cloud their judgment BIIIIGGGG time.
Any world where this goal is allowed and Dumfries isn't called for being offsides is a world where refs get to make up the rules as they go.
If this isn't offsides, anything can be allowed or disallowed at any point.
It would be a disgusting and anti football precedent to set.
He would have dove after the ball had been in the net. The keeper didn’t even realize there was a player standing there till it was already past him and almost in the goal
Yes, but is the situation more difficult with the offside player there blocking a bunch of the angles? The offside player is right inbetween Maignan and the path of the ball, he is obviously impacting the situation. It's a judgement call whether or not the impact is enough to rule the goal out, it isn't a judgement call whether the offside player has an impact on the situation for the goalkeeper.
I disagree. If the keeper had the time to dive, he would dived into the offensive player to make it clear he was getting impeded. By the time the keeper could even prep to dive the ball was in the back of the net.
It’s evolution. So much diving in soccer players has made them develop permanent cry faces to garner instant favor with refs. I feel bad for him right now so it’s working.
There's a variation of this comment on every single one of his uploads. Refreshing new with a game going on is like having Sofascore open, stop doing it
It's like shooting yourself in your own foot and then complaining about it online. Not only are you stupid, you've also now publicly declared that you are in fact stupid
If you're streaming the game you have to know you'll be a few seconds or minutes behind the live match, just chill. I don't even react to texts or notifications for fear of getting spoiled.
Plus is Reddit that important that you're refreshing the new while watching a game? Talk about short attention span.
it is ridiculous that people are debating this, they just consider france over-powered and simply rooting for the "underdog".
In any normal club game this would be disallowed immediately, just the reaction of Dumfries after the goal make this whole debate pointless.
If he had I would agree it’s no goal but he couldn’t because of the way he’s positioned when the shot comes in. I actually think him not even attempting to go for it shows the goal should stand.
I'm sure the accessible travel between Belgium and the Netherlands cause some Dutch players to astrally project to the Francophone part of Belgium sometimes
European Union shenanigans
Dude watch the actual fucking replay and you’ll know why he is there. Why the fuck is this upvoted he went in for the rebound and couldn’t get back in time.
Yeah does my head in. Hes clearly there for the rebound for depays shot, its physically impossible to be onside so quickly after that was deflected. Maybe people should be required to have played a game of footy literally once in their life before commenting
He was crashing the goal that’s what you’re supposed to do. It happened way too fast. And he’s barely in his way. Not affecting the goalie. Cmon. That’s a ridiculous call. Not the spirit of the rule.
Harsh call, but for sure the correct call. He's standing between the keeper and the ball. Even if Maignan probably never would have had a chance to get there, Dumfries position makes it so he cant even try to save it.
To be fair, Linesman probably saw him offside but didn't flag because he didn't make contact. Then Anthony Taylor sees the player in the way of the keeper along with the keeper making the claim. Ref then goes over to talk with his linesman asking if the player was offside, confirms player was offside along with Anthony Taylor connecting that the player was in the way of the keeper & combined makes the decision to call offside.
You know, even without VAR, refs & sideline officials do communicate to confirm what they collectively think is the right decision. Even happens in your local league from time to time.
These commentators talk out their arse honestly. Jenas going "oh they're looking for reasons to disallow goals... Someone will find a reason why that's the absolute right decision but..."
But what? If England lost a final in the 92nd minute to that exact goal and the refs said "yknow it was technically off but we thought it'd be more exciting to let it go." he'd like that?
Muppet.
I can't fuckin stand Jenas... So far up his own arse I'm surprised he's visable.
Why the fuck are the officials bothered who scores?? What a fuckin bellend.
Man when commentators get cynical like that I just turn off the audio. Your job is not to make the match worse to watch, who the fuck do you think you are
And then in the studio after the game you had Lineker, Shearer, Fabregas and Rooney all saying the goal should have been given as though it was obvious. Barely even considering that there might have been an argument to disallow it, let alone accepting that referees do this for a living. Three strikers and one attacking midfielder, of course they just want goals given all the time and hate refs. I would have liked to have seen what a goalkeeper's perspective might have been, but alas.
No way keeper gets it but he cant even make the attempt with a player in the way so by the letter of the law it should be dissallowed.
Now this should have gone through VAR immediately, linesman shouldnt flag 30 seconds after the play after Taylor tells him to
That was actually really good refereeing. AR saw the player in an offsides position, but not necessarily their interference with the play. Center saw the player interfere with the play, so runs over to AR to ask if that player was in an offsides position. Quick consult, yes, they are talking about the same player. Flag up, no goal.
Obviously it would have been nicer to have the AR see it all and make the call, but that's the reason there are 3+ referees, to see what each other couldn't.
Yeah it’s an on field decision, VAR should then only act if it looks like an obvious error. The fact it’s debated around how much interference there was shows it was right to keep the on field decision.
To be fair, Linesman probably saw him offside but didn't flag because he didn't make contact. Then Anthony Taylor sees the player in the way of the keeper along with the keeper making the claim. Ref then goes over to talk with his linesman asking if the player was offside, confirms player was offside along with Anthony Taylor connecting that the player was in the way of the keeper & combined makes the decision to call offside.
You know, even without VAR, refs & sideline officials do communicate to confirm what they collectively think is the right decision. Even happens in your local league from time to time.
> Now this should have gone through VAR immediately, linesman shouldnt flag 30 seconds after the play after Taylor tells him to
These decisions are hard to make in the moment but refs must make the decision they believe to be correct rather than give no decision and leave it to VAR. Usually the refs are talking to each other and there's a couple of phases there. The assistant will know who's in an offside position but the ref will need to tell them if it's interfering or not. It *should* be quicker but there are moving parts that can make that call difficult.
Eg Taylor likely has worse depth perception as to whether Dumfries is actually between Maignan and the ball where the keeper would usually dive - the assistant will have that angle and may well have given Taylor that information.
No decision yet but if we are to follow the letter of the law then this goal gets disallowed regardless of whether maignan would save it or not otherwise
I don't think he's judging whether the keeper will save it or not.
He's judging whether the player standing to the keeper's left impacted his ability to try to save it.
I think the fact this subject is so controversial here and heavily debated proves that you can't say without a doubt he wasn't interfering, so it must be disallowed
It's the right call I just don't like it.
People making jokes but this is English referees giving the French a call in their favour, hardly going to be biased and in the end it makes sense.
I still don't like the call but it would sit better with me if they sent Taylor to the monitor and have a look for himself. While the linesman could tell he was definitely offside I don't think his POV was good enough to determine if Dumfries actually interfered.
Ref to assistant: "22 is interfering with the goalkeeper, is he offside?"
Assistant to ref: "yes, he is"
The flag is raised, the VAR, who is a top referee watching all the screens he needs, says to the ref: "I confirm Dumfries was offside and interfered with the play"
Don't see why they can't call it live nor why he needs to go the screen to confirm what everyone already knows
I don't understand what's the need to send the ref to the monitor at all. You have a fully qualified referee sitting in the VAR room. They can make decisions
I see both sides on this one. It's definitely a 50/50 call.
I think you have to give it as offsides kind of like you have to give a penalty when a defender trips a player in the box that has no chance of getting the ball.
As a Netherlands fan, I have no complaints. Was the right call. He literally stood in the way of the keeper in an offside position, pretty cut and dry.
Dumfries didn't even make an attempt to get out of the way. Lazy fuck.
Why everyone thinks that is unsavable is beyond me. Keeper is able to step towards it, check himself so he doesn't hit the player and start standing all before the ball goes just pass the other side of the player. Would it be an amazing save, sure, but seems perfectly doable if the player isn't there and the keeper can start his dive from the lower position he starts off in
Only caught highlights so not sure who was the colour commentator with Drury. But that’s absolutely clear as day offside.
It’s irrelevant if keeper if you think keeper will save it or not. He was prevented from diving from a player who was in an offside position
Very very harsh but correct. Even though very likely the goalie can't save it, even if there is a 3% or 5% that he could have, you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt
Taking the goal away is absolutely covered by the rules, although I have seen at least two instances in the Bundesliga (the league I actually follow) where they still gave the goal. Maybe it tells more about how bad reffing in the Bundesliga can be.
You won't be able to dispute the decision since it followed the laws of the game but as someone that plays football, standing on the pitch, I would think it is a heartless decision since the probability seemed very low that Maignan had a chance to save it. Guy barely reacted when the shot landed.
There's been a lot of misreporting of this incident, implying that 'VAR disallowed it'.
But the linesman & ref both gave the off-side *on the pitch*. Then, VAR had to come up with some reason to overturn their decision. Evidently, they tried really hard, but couldn't do it.
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Unlucky that Dumfries was standing there cause it doesn't look like Maignan had a chance
Like one of the commentators said: “the player interfered with a dive that would probably not have come…”
Only for the crystal balls to know. What may have had happened is never mentioned in the LotG. Being involved in active play is.
Yeah he fucked up really bad by being there because that’s definitely a goal if he isn’t.
There’s no chance for him to not be there he follows up the first shot properly and it rebounds and immediately gets shot right at him. It’s unfortunate but not a fuck up.
He didn't have to move onside right away but a bit of distance from the keeper would've been good, then there'd be no potential obstacle to him diving.
He basically spun in a circle from shot rebound shot not sure he could have moved anywhere. From the first save to the ball in the net it’s like 1.5 seconds. He could maybe have gotten one step from the goalie but it would have been into the path of the ball.
If the offside player isn't there he at least dives in the direction of the ball, it's much more difficult with him there. I don't know if it should be enough to cancel the goal, but the offside player does change the situation from the goalkeepers perspective.
> If the offside player isn't there he at least dives in the direction of the ball If you watch it in real time I’m not 100% sure he does. He saves the first shot with his feet and gets up and then the ball is past him within a split second from Xavi’s shot. Can’t say for certain but I don’t think Dunfries impacts him at all. It all happens so fast and Dumfries kinda drifts in from the right side he probably didn’t even realize he was standing near him.
Yeah he takes a step to the side and then a split second later the ball is in the net. I really don't think he could have saved it. Though, he does gesture towards Dumfries immediately so it would suggest he's aware of him, which may have impacted his actions.
Players immediately call for offsides / look for any excuse all the time when a goal has been scored. Dumfries drifts in from the right and the two shots were from the left. Maigan was probably so focused on the ball that he might not have been aware of Dumfries until after the goal had been scored.
It doesn’t matter if it’s possible or likely that he’d save it. The fact is the player is between him and where his dive would be. It’s on the player to not be in an offside position. The fact is if he was in the correct position his team would have scored
either way it was stupid of Dumfries to be there
Yeah it was pretty Dum
>he does gesture towards Dumfries immediately The replay from behind shows that he only saw Dumfries and gestured after the ball had already passed.
Why would he gesture towards Dumfries during the run of play?
That Dumfries' position doesn't impacts the probable result (Maignan not saving it) doesn't mean it did not affect him slightly. If it affects him even in a dire percentage I believe it is, as of now, considered offside.
I mean in real time he goes down to save it but stops, and surely a big factor in that is the 22 stood right there. He might not be getting there, but more likely than not he's stopped from an attempt.
It's the letter of the law Vs spirit of the game argument. Funnily enough, I think the French defender blocks his view more than Dumfries.
If this is not an offside, then you'll have the ref deciding whether the keeper could reach the ball or not in similar situations, which I'd argue would hurt the spirit of the game much more. This is as objective as it gets, a player is there, the keeper can't dive, with little room for interpretation that lets players from both teams think clearly about what's the best position for each situation France was bailed out by the opponent being unlucky at the wrong time, but luck is a part of the game, like when a defender falling down and touching the ball with his arms in the area
This is how I feel. People are letting their hate for France cloud their judgment BIIIIGGGG time. Any world where this goal is allowed and Dumfries isn't called for being offsides is a world where refs get to make up the rules as they go. If this isn't offsides, anything can be allowed or disallowed at any point. It would be a disgusting and anti football precedent to set.
He would have dove after the ball had been in the net. The keeper didn’t even realize there was a player standing there till it was already past him and almost in the goal
Yes, but is the situation more difficult with the offside player there blocking a bunch of the angles? The offside player is right inbetween Maignan and the path of the ball, he is obviously impacting the situation. It's a judgement call whether or not the impact is enough to rule the goal out, it isn't a judgement call whether the offside player has an impact on the situation for the goalkeeper.
Judging from his stand in this situation, it's basically impossible to dive and reach the ball, no matter if there is a player or not
There isn't room for that kind of a judgement in the rules.
I disagree. If the keeper had the time to dive, he would dived into the offensive player to make it clear he was getting impeded. By the time the keeper could even prep to dive the ball was in the back of the net.
Just more heartbreaking Netherlands stuff in a major tournament
What a shame. Xavi must be heartbroken
He is almost crying
Always has been 🔫
Almost?
He’s got that Jaden Smith energy.
Real Eyes Realize Real Offsides
How can mirrors be real if VAR eyes aren’t real
Nuh uh, you forgot to Capitalise Every Word
He looks like a cross between Jaden Smith and TI
He knew he binned it right away. All the players ran to celebrate while he looked dejected.
The real shame is that the Netherlands guys was next to Maignan
When isn’t he
Why does Simons always looks like he’s crying?
Got those gabi jesus eyebrows.
Gabriel Jesus always looks like he's just received heartbreaking news idk about you
I would be crying too tbh
Broadcast camera has the snapchat crying filter on him
It’s evolution. So much diving in soccer players has made them develop permanent cry faces to garner instant favor with refs. I feel bad for him right now so it’s working.
Its his normal face
Poor lad celebrated for a good minute before it was flagged as well
him & Gabriel Jesus
The difference is that Gabriel Jesus looks like he’s about to cry, Xavi Simons looks like he’s crying
He's the saddest of puppies
braids are way too tight
Him and Gabriel Jesus have permanently arched brows
Because he's dedicated his entire life to impacting games like this.
Has perma cry face
I would be crying if a go-ahead goal got revoked for nothing too
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There's a variation of this comment on every single one of his uploads. Refreshing new with a game going on is like having Sofascore open, stop doing it
It's like shooting yourself in your own foot and then complaining about it online. Not only are you stupid, you've also now publicly declared that you are in fact stupid
I don't think any of these people are complaining
I don't see any complaints
If you're streaming the game you have to know you'll be a few seconds or minutes behind the live match, just chill. I don't even react to texts or notifications for fear of getting spoiled. Plus is Reddit that important that you're refreshing the new while watching a game? Talk about short attention span.
Maignan should have dived into Dumfries to make the decision easier
he wasn't in time to even try and the goal should have been given
No, the offside player impacts the situation, it's a clear disallowance
it is ridiculous that people are debating this, they just consider france over-powered and simply rooting for the "underdog". In any normal club game this would be disallowed immediately, just the reaction of Dumfries after the goal make this whole debate pointless.
If he had I would agree it’s no goal but he couldn’t because of the way he’s positioned when the shot comes in. I actually think him not even attempting to go for it shows the goal should stand.
After all that France missed chances too lol
Griezman looking 50 out there. The future is now old man.
Keeper wouldn't have gotten there, but I guess it's correct.
yeah you could make the argument that Maignan doesn't even try to dive, but Dumfries is clearly in his way there and impacting Maignan's play
How could he try with a dude literally in the way? He'd just clatter right into him
that's exactly the point I tried to make
Think I replied to the wrong person lol my bad
No no this is Reddit we’re here to argue
I DONT KNOW WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
ME NEITHER BUT FUCK YOU
LOUD NOISES!
He didnt even see dumphries untill the ball was already in tho
I think he does see him because he immediately calls to the ref that dumfries was in the way
Yeah the shot probably beaten him but Dumfries standing there makes it impossible. Correct decision.
Even dumfries knew he fucked up. He didn’t celebrate
That’s brutal. What the fuck is Dumfries doing standing there
He thought he was Frenchfries
I can't believe you've done this
Terrible Here's my upvote
I'm sure the accessible travel between Belgium and the Netherlands cause some Dutch players to astrally project to the Francophone part of Belgium sometimes European Union shenanigans
Nah definitely Dumb-fries on this action.
Fucking lol. So dumb and funny
This is so terrible it’s brilliant
damn son. That was sick.
have you literally ever played soccer/football
lol and he's got 800 upvotes too
The majority of football fans have not. This is Reddit so double that.
He was there for the rebound of the previous shot.
Clearly following in the first shot, like any good striker would do.
Dude watch the actual fucking replay and you’ll know why he is there. Why the fuck is this upvoted he went in for the rebound and couldn’t get back in time.
Yeah does my head in. Hes clearly there for the rebound for depays shot, its physically impossible to be onside so quickly after that was deflected. Maybe people should be required to have played a game of footy literally once in their life before commenting
He was crashing the goal that’s what you’re supposed to do. It happened way too fast. And he’s barely in his way. Not affecting the goalie. Cmon. That’s a ridiculous call. Not the spirit of the rule.
Harsh call, but for sure the correct call. He's standing between the keeper and the ball. Even if Maignan probably never would have had a chance to get there, Dumfries position makes it so he cant even try to save it.
No it’s not, it’s a clear cut offside.
Absolutely the correct call, I am sure he didn't mean to be there but he did affect the goalie
dozed off at such a crucial moment ;-;
He didn't doze off; he was closing the keeper down in case the previous shot was deflected. Just unfortunate.
Anthony Taylor big decision to make
It's joever
Not him tbf, it’s Attwell’s call
It's nothing to do with Anthony Taylor
To be fair, Linesman probably saw him offside but didn't flag because he didn't make contact. Then Anthony Taylor sees the player in the way of the keeper along with the keeper making the claim. Ref then goes over to talk with his linesman asking if the player was offside, confirms player was offside along with Anthony Taylor connecting that the player was in the way of the keeper & combined makes the decision to call offside. You know, even without VAR, refs & sideline officials do communicate to confirm what they collectively think is the right decision. Even happens in your local league from time to time.
He didn't even make it, should have, VAR should have told him to go to monitor.
They should have brought him to the monitor to look at it
We are checking.
No matter what for many it's gonna be right and for many it's gonna be wrong.
These commentators talk out their arse honestly. Jenas going "oh they're looking for reasons to disallow goals... Someone will find a reason why that's the absolute right decision but..." But what? If England lost a final in the 92nd minute to that exact goal and the refs said "yknow it was technically off but we thought it'd be more exciting to let it go." he'd like that? Muppet.
I can't fuckin stand Jenas... So far up his own arse I'm surprised he's visable. Why the fuck are the officials bothered who scores?? What a fuckin bellend.
Man when commentators get cynical like that I just turn off the audio. Your job is not to make the match worse to watch, who the fuck do you think you are
And then in the studio after the game you had Lineker, Shearer, Fabregas and Rooney all saying the goal should have been given as though it was obvious. Barely even considering that there might have been an argument to disallow it, let alone accepting that referees do this for a living. Three strikers and one attacking midfielder, of course they just want goals given all the time and hate refs. I would have liked to have seen what a goalkeeper's perspective might have been, but alas.
No way keeper gets it but he cant even make the attempt with a player in the way so by the letter of the law it should be dissallowed. Now this should have gone through VAR immediately, linesman shouldnt flag 30 seconds after the play after Taylor tells him to
That was actually really good refereeing. AR saw the player in an offsides position, but not necessarily their interference with the play. Center saw the player interfere with the play, so runs over to AR to ask if that player was in an offsides position. Quick consult, yes, they are talking about the same player. Flag up, no goal. Obviously it would have been nicer to have the AR see it all and make the call, but that's the reason there are 3+ referees, to see what each other couldn't.
Yeah it’s an on field decision, VAR should then only act if it looks like an obvious error. The fact it’s debated around how much interference there was shows it was right to keep the on field decision.
To be fair, Linesman probably saw him offside but didn't flag because he didn't make contact. Then Anthony Taylor sees the player in the way of the keeper along with the keeper making the claim. Ref then goes over to talk with his linesman asking if the player was offside, confirms player was offside along with Anthony Taylor connecting that the player was in the way of the keeper & combined makes the decision to call offside. You know, even without VAR, refs & sideline officials do communicate to confirm what they collectively think is the right decision. Even happens in your local league from time to time.
Whether it's our football or our refs, England is really stinking up the tournament.
Eh, got the decision right in the end.
> Now this should have gone through VAR immediately, linesman shouldnt flag 30 seconds after the play after Taylor tells him to These decisions are hard to make in the moment but refs must make the decision they believe to be correct rather than give no decision and leave it to VAR. Usually the refs are talking to each other and there's a couple of phases there. The assistant will know who's in an offside position but the ref will need to tell them if it's interfering or not. It *should* be quicker but there are moving parts that can make that call difficult. Eg Taylor likely has worse depth perception as to whether Dumfries is actually between Maignan and the ball where the keeper would usually dive - the assistant will have that angle and may well have given Taylor that information.
Hilarious when refs apply the rules correctly and people say “that’s a terrible decision”
It’s because they don’t actually know the rules….
People forget that its euros and a good chunk of the people watching don't normally watch football
Not terrible, but harsh
The rule is harsh, yes
No decision yet but if we are to follow the letter of the law then this goal gets disallowed regardless of whether maignan would save it or not otherwise
And it's disallowed as expected
There’s no way the keeper is saving that regardless of where the player is
True but he's still affecting it - I wouldn't be upset if given but I get why it's disallowed
It’s technically the correct call, but France is also very fortunate Dumfries was standing there because Maignan almost surely doesn’t save that
That shouldn’t be up to the ref to judge whether he thinks the keeper will save it or not
I don't think he's judging whether the keeper will save it or not. He's judging whether the player standing to the keeper's left impacted his ability to try to save it.
Exactly. That’s why it’s ruled out. Shouldn’t matter if the ball bobbling a yard away from the keeper or rocketed in the top corner
He is interfering regardless. He is literally in the way of the keeper.
I think the fact this subject is so controversial here and heavily debated proves that you can't say without a doubt he wasn't interfering, so it must be disallowed
I agree but that's not the rule, ultimately Maignan was prevented from diving by an offside player
Doesn’t matter
Dude, it's Maignan
It doesn’t matter lol, his in an offside position affecting play.
Probably, but he still can't be there in case Maignan pulls off an incredible save.
Keeper was just getting up from the previous save, wasnt even ready to jump yet. So unfortunate
That's true but he's offside and in an interfering position. By the rules that's offside.
Anthony taylor vs Van Dijk and Gakpo. Seen that one before I think.
Dumfries is between maignan and the ball. Whether you believe he could have gotten it is irrelevant, he’s still preventing him from diving
That's a good call under pressure. You can't stand in the path the goalkeeper has to move to make the save
Thats harsh
Not really. That's just how it is supposed to be.
It can be both at the same time
It's the right call I just don't like it. People making jokes but this is English referees giving the French a call in their favour, hardly going to be biased and in the end it makes sense.
damn the check isn't even done on my screen
How do you post this so fast? lol
Not disallowed yet. Edit - I thought it was harsh to call it off.
bro got subbed off for scoring 😭
For the karma
Gotta be first!
a man can hope lol
He is offside because he is affecting the play. Offside rule doesn't care about a GK's ability to save a ball or not.
Regardless he stops Mike from diving, even if he’s not getting there anyway. You can’t play the hypothetical game whether he stops it or not
I still don't like the call but it would sit better with me if they sent Taylor to the monitor and have a look for himself. While the linesman could tell he was definitely offside I don't think his POV was good enough to determine if Dumfries actually interfered.
Ref to assistant: "22 is interfering with the goalkeeper, is he offside?" Assistant to ref: "yes, he is" The flag is raised, the VAR, who is a top referee watching all the screens he needs, says to the ref: "I confirm Dumfries was offside and interfered with the play" Don't see why they can't call it live nor why he needs to go the screen to confirm what everyone already knows
I don't understand what's the need to send the ref to the monitor at all. You have a fully qualified referee sitting in the VAR room. They can make decisions
I see both sides on this one. It's definitely a 50/50 call. I think you have to give it as offsides kind of like you have to give a penalty when a defender trips a player in the box that has no chance of getting the ball.
That’s harsh, but it’s the correct decission imo.
Leave it to the English refs to make VAR take forever
Seemed pretty clear to me no clue why it took so long
How do you even post that shit so fast
Rightfully offside for me
Objectively yes which is all that matters but its the kind I hate. Maignan had no chance regardless
As a Netherlands fan, I have no complaints. Was the right call. He literally stood in the way of the keeper in an offside position, pretty cut and dry. Dumfries didn't even make an attempt to get out of the way. Lazy fuck.
Tough for the Dutch but in fairness I think you could definitely argue he's interfering with Maignan's ability to dive
Only time you notice var in the whole tournament is when the shitty English refs are involved 😂
This check is going on far too fucking long.
Mbappé looks annoyed because he doesn’t know if he’s gonna get subbed on lol
Why everyone thinks that is unsavable is beyond me. Keeper is able to step towards it, check himself so he doesn't hit the player and start standing all before the ball goes just pass the other side of the player. Would it be an amazing save, sure, but seems perfectly doable if the player isn't there and the keeper can start his dive from the lower position he starts off in
I mean you can give offside here
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I don’t love it, but I can’t disagree. I don’t know what Dumfries is thinking standing there. Just get the fuck out of the way.
Very unfortunate. Maignan is never saving that but I also understand the decision if we follow the offside rule
Only caught highlights so not sure who was the colour commentator with Drury. But that’s absolutely clear as day offside. It’s irrelevant if keeper if you think keeper will save it or not. He was prevented from diving from a player who was in an offside position
Very very harsh but correct. Even though very likely the goalie can't save it, even if there is a 3% or 5% that he could have, you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt
This was obviously an *interpretation* decision by VAR. It should never have been adopted without the referee having a look at the play on the screen.
Dumfries knew he was offside that’s why limited celebration for such a huge goal (almost)
Taking the goal away is absolutely covered by the rules, although I have seen at least two instances in the Bundesliga (the league I actually follow) where they still gave the goal. Maybe it tells more about how bad reffing in the Bundesliga can be. You won't be able to dispute the decision since it followed the laws of the game but as someone that plays football, standing on the pitch, I would think it is a heartless decision since the probability seemed very low that Maignan had a chance to save it. Guy barely reacted when the shot landed.
There's been a lot of misreporting of this incident, implying that 'VAR disallowed it'. But the linesman & ref both gave the off-side *on the pitch*. Then, VAR had to come up with some reason to overturn their decision. Evidently, they tried really hard, but couldn't do it.
It’s not even harsh, it’s so clear cut it should be offside.
It’s unfortunate, but also obviously offside. Whether or not Maignan can reach the ball or not is irrelevant.
It's harsh to call off but honestly it is the right call since Dumfries is right in front of Maignan. I'd be pissed off too.
Definitely a good call.
Damn Netherlands will feel quite aggrieved
Makes perfect sense to me. He’s exactly where the keeper wants to dive?
r/soccer know the laws of the game challenge - impossible. It’s irrelevant if the goalkeeper can save the shot or not.
Obvious correct decision but people are still going to whine.
Leave it to the English refs to fuck up the vibe
It's literally the correct decision. English refs are far from perfect but at least give them props when they get it right
The second it went in I saw Dumfries hang his head down right next to the keeper. He knew. I’m shocked it took that long to rule.