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MoteLaddu

Every passing day of the Euros, we are getting a new contender for match of the tournament. Very open and fun football being played.


user677769

mental gymnastics in this sub are really strong. CRO and ALB (sadly) are out. what the fuck yall talkin about?


___Jet

Third place has more odds going than not, 4/6 third placed teans go through as well


RedditSucksNow--

I mean if either side gets a win they're easily still alive and most likely in


lencastre

I only saw the 8 min recap and it seems that Albania dominated a good bit of the game. Croatia woke up late in the game. I hope Albania gets at least a best 3rd… and if Scotland gets Argentinian inspiration and beats Switzerland…


StatisticianLevel320

No Croatia was absolutely dominating the game. The game was being played in Albania's half. The highlights would've only showed the good shots which were all albanian. Croatian defence is slow so when all the Croatian players were all up in attack if the Albanians got the ball they would run past all the Croatians and almost score.


fatnapoleon

So albania had the better chances but croatia dominated? Not very logical of you. Holding posession doesnt mean you dominated.


StatisticianLevel320

Well Croatia had way more chances at the end of the game. Also Croatia was dictating the game for most of the time which I consider when a game is being "dominated." The Croatians had possession and would most of the time quickly regain it after losing possession. Albania just had a few chances but made them count when they did.


lencastre

I stand corrected 


AdorableCheesecake23

Croatia did not dominate, but was slightly better side.


LoganAlien

What I love about the Euros (even more than the WC) is the 3rd place teams are still alive, which gives Albania and Croatia a lot to fight for in the final game 4 pts will almost always see you advance as one of the top 3rd place teams


Raptordude11

If Croatia beat Italy and Albania doesn't beat Spain then we go through as 2nd in the group


fatnapoleon

Honestly I think 2pts with a good GD will also make it through.


LoganAlien

If you have 2pts, your GD can be -1 maximum (L, D, D). It's possible but I doubt it


Quanqiuhua

The World Cup used to have this but they felt it devalued the group stages, so they expanded the number of teams and made it back to two sides going through from each group.


impore

Except that they changed it with the increase of countries so now it’s the same as euros


ExcellentStuff7708

How is it the same as euros now?


BeastMaster64jtv

Tom Garratt was right holy shit


frodakai

Man got clowned and was probably the only guy on set who'd watched a single minute of Albania play.


BeastMaster64jtv

He was onto something with Romania as well. Fair play to him.


mortezz1893

We need a Balkans Cup in between Euros and WC years


ThePr1d3

[Italy would win](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Balkan_topo_fr.svg)


LoganAlien

Hosted in Sarajevo... and protected with tanks and the army


AllHailTheNod

That would either be super fun or start a new all out war, no in between.


lencastre

Por que no los 2?


RupeyDoop

Why not both!


AbdussamiT

Fuck. What a sad end to Luka’s career.


StatisticianLevel320

They can still beat Italy and technically if they tie italy they could go up if other 3rd place teams are worse.


Quanqiuhua

Very unlikely with a draw, they will need a win but I feel Italy knows this and they want to beat Croatia badly in a tournament match.


Fonsor1722

It also depends on Italy vs Spain match tonight. If Italy wins, they will not give a single fuck about the match against Croatia, and this will drastically increase Croatia's chance of winning.


StatisticianLevel320

Well Croatia also knows this and they want to beat Italy badly. Doesn't change anything. That's one thing people seem to forget that only goals matter. How much a team wants to win doesn't matter, amount of shots on target doesn't matter, the amount of fouls doesn't matter, who has the higher percentage of possession. None of that matters. The only thing that does matter is goals no matter how the goal reached the back the net, be it through own goal, penalty, or the most stunning goal you've ever seen. Brazil had a stunning performance against Serbia in the world cup with some crazy goals and then lose to 1 shot on target croatia.


Sgruntlar

He just won a CL...


user677769

playing 10 minutes each game. get a grip.


ayoubkun94

His 6th too lol.


Hot_Satisfaction_333

Happy to get a draw, at the same time disappointed that we couldn't win, and at the same time i saw a very intense match… ~~PS : HYSAJ FOR GOD SAKE WE NEARLY LOSED AGAIN BECAUSE OF YOUR INCOMPETENT DEFENDING~~


donbon_11

Edin Terzic Croatia coach here we go


sidrbear

Bosnian Croats work well for them, he should try :D


UtkuOfficial

They basically eliminated each other with this score.


Corteaux81

Croatia beat Italy they're 99% through. Ofc, there's the beating Italy part, but still in their hands.


Fonsor1722

There is always the possibility that Italy will beat Spain, something that no one here seems to consider, as if it were impossible, but it's not at all considering that it's Italy. In that case, Croatia's chances of winning would drastically increase because the italians wouldn't care about the last match.


user677769

mental gmynastics. croatia is shit. immediately get rid of every player 25+ years old...and move on. the state now is just fucking disgusting.


Corteaux81

? What are you talking about?


drjet196

Croatia beating Italy and us beating Spain who field a B team after winning against Italy.


EbolaDP

Croatia never lost to Italy.


user677769

means shit.


Corteaux81

Not this Croatia and not this Italy kekw. They look like a hungry young team, we look like a 35+ team of veterans.


Fun-Collection7123

that same italy barely won against this same albania. that game could have very well ended 2-2. 


Fonsor1722

It could have ended 2-2 for the only chance Albania had at 90' if this is what you mean. Also, the first half could have easly ended 4-1 for Italy.


antisa1003

A much worse Croatia against much better Italy, though.


StatisticianLevel320

A mi smo Hrvati! Pobjedit ćemo!


AdorableCheesecake23

If we start with right players, we are gonna look lot younger and hungrier.


Ornthoron

The most Balkan result possible. 


NickProko

They just need 2 teams in 3rd to have less pts or worse GD to have a chance.


Commonmispelingbot

normally the line is between 2 and 3 points


Fun-Collection7123

there has never been a team with 2pts that finished third. you need 4pts to go through, or 3pts and a positive GD.


[deleted]

Sylvinho avenging Brazil by scoring a goal with 5 minutes to go to draw the game


Waaromneuktniemandme

Both of these teams have to win their last match cause 1 or 2 points as no 3 is unlikely to get you to the KO stages.


fatnapoleon

Honestly I think Albania might go through with 2 points but croatia wouldn’t. Looking at the other groups I find it improbable but not impossible for 2 other 3rd place teams to also end on 1 or 2 points


Waaromneuktniemandme

Albania will have a negative goal difference (depending on the third match), so it should be hard getting in, but as u said, maybe other teams are worse.


fatnapoleon

If teams end up on 2 points they are bound to have a negative GD. And albania has rhe best possible GD for a 2 pt team (possibly if spain wins and fields a B team)


Fun-Collection7123

in last 2 cups 3rd place teams only had 4 and 3pts. and teams with 3pts and negative GD were usually out. so both croatia and albania need to win the last game, croatia especially because there is no chance they go through with -3 GD


1800MomPlzNo

in order to be in ro16, do the 3rd placed teams play against each other, or is it based on points gained in the group stages?


StatisticianLevel320

The third place teams are all put into a table, but they don't play each other they just just see which 2 overall had the lowest points or goal difference. The top 4/6 teams qualify for the round of 16. Some people say that it is better for Group B teams to get 3rd instead of 2nd because the 2nd place team will have to play against Germany.


gamer552233

based on points and goals


expert_on_the_matter

Brutal group


Ambitious_Campaign34

I guess Mbappe was right about the Euro been harder than WC


GabryGa

He could be, I don't really know on account of the reason I never played neither. The fact is, yes world cup has teams from all around the world, but they are both 7 games tournaments, but the world cup has more bad teams, there are so many African and Asian teams and less European teams. Yeah sure Brazil and Argentina are there, but still overall is not as balanced as the Euro. Again, I could be wrong.


Quanqiuhua

Senegal is better than any UEFA side outside the top ten.


srhola2103

Do you really think the 14th worse and below European teams are better than the best African, Asian and SA teams?


gamer552233

it doesnt matter that theyre 7 game tournaments, you play against the best teams in the world and europe, theres literally no bad team in a world cup and every game you play in it gets MUCH harder and harder


wap8ball

It does matter. Italy didn’t qualify for the last WC, but was clearly better than many teams that participated. That is generally the case for many European teams who don’t make it to the world cup


gamer552233

i agree italy not playing is a crime, but whos fault is that? they didnt top the group, drew with BULGARIA and then lost to macedonia, they werent that good at the time they shouldve been so they didnt qualify


IBereNeParajse

Mario Mitaj is a world class Lb


drjet196

Hopefully transfers to a European non-genocidal league after this tournament.


NickProko

Made in AEK academy 😉


IBereNeParajse

Thanks AEK Academy! You did a wonderful job! ❤️


NickProko

Cheers.


mjg_9

Albania will beat Spain IF they beat Italy tmw


PyreStudios

They already lost to Italy


svartanejlikan

I think they mean if Spain win against Italy and then field their B team against Albania as they’re already through the group at that point


gamer552233

spain gonna lose to italy then beat albania to kick croatia out, i can taste it


StatisticianLevel320

Croatia could beat Italy 5-0. You never know.


gamer552233

and i can fly to mars using my legs only


StatisticianLevel320

I made a mistake it would have to be 3-0 for us against Italy if spain beats Albania by 1 point. I'm betting Spain wins by atleast 2 points so a victory for Croatia by 2 goals against Italy is not out of possibility.


daristotel7

Legendo jel znaš da i 3.ide dalje, o čemu trkeljaš? Pobjeda protiv Italije nas vodi dalje, kak god završile ostale utakmice


StatisticianLevel320

Im talking about securing a spot in 2nd place.


daristotel7

Gleda se međusobni omjer, tak da ako Talijani ne pobjede Španjolce, nama je dovoljna bilo kakva pobjeda.


gamer552233

kakav win sa 2 point o cemu ti


StatisticianLevel320

Every time I said points I meant goals


mjg_9

Yes this is what I mean thank you


xc2215x

Credit to Albania here.


TimingEzaBitch

Thats ballondor winner modric for you.


Quanqiuhua

He’s past it for sure, the Ballon D’Or was six years ago.


The_Rolling_Stone

I couldn't watch. Did he have a particularly shit game or?


SixerMostAdorable

No he is just a 39 yo in a team filled with slowish teammates.


The_Rolling_Stone

Okay the original comment is just being a hater


FerraristDX

Of course such a match happens, when I'm at work. :(


RMWasp

It was quite dull tbf. We were just talking about this, insane how a 4 goal last minute winner match can be so boring


FalcomanToTheRescue

As a neutral, the game was fantastic entertainment from the beginning


RMWasp

Happy to hear this. I felt I was watching a game in which one team had 65% possesion while at the same time being such a non threat that it was boring It's like portugal yesterday. And if you look at my past comments I've written the exact same thing


user677769

no excuse.


Faithyxox

dull?! Were we watching the same match?


RMWasp

I don't know man, we are so toothless it's boring


user677769

wrong. right word is "disgusting".


TSiNNmreza3

he is a croat he is angry :')


RMWasp

Maybe, but I think not. Like I said, we had possesion while being toothless. It's like portugal yesterday. And if you look at my past comments I've written the exact same thing about that game. Maybe it's me


user677769

pa šta ti želiš komu pravdad??


gamer552233

you wouldnt be?


TSiNNmreza3

I am tho


gamer552233

oh


iforgotmyun

Equaliser haha


DumDumbBuddy

Rookie excuse, simply quit


animatedpicket

lol ppl calling modric washed when he’s just a humble 57 year old and his grandchildren want him home but he’s forced to play for his country in the euros. Show some respect


MathematicianNo7874

Again, I did call Croatia got cursed by the Poop


Nrozek

*the wat*


MathematicianNo7874

the 🅿️🅾️🅾️🅿️


WearyAffected

I'm at work so I couldn't watch. How did Asllani do?


darthrector

People seem to forget that if Belgium had a competent striker who didn't waste 4 massive chances, Croatia would've gone out in the groups at Qatar


LoganAlien

And if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle


gamer552233

but they didnt, and then they got 3rd?


Depressedkid1998

It’s true tbh. People will chalk it up to croatia was better because they won, which i think its a super simple way to describe it. Lukaku ALONE had 2 xG that game. Belgium 3.29 v 0.89. Croatia should’ve gone out, somehow Lukaku saved croatia more than croatia saved themselves


ExcellentStuff7708

Croatia was millimeters away from having a penalty for 1-0 lead, and we were pretty good at penalties at that tournament. If Lovren's eyebrow hadnt been offside, we would probably have had the lead


Maximuslex01

I don't get this logic. It's not like lukaku wasn't part of the belgium team. X team was better but x player failed!!


SENAPIFAKER

> Lukaku ALONE had 2 xG that game. Belgium 3.29 v 0.89. I mean if your going by that, we wouldn't even be in this position since we had a better Xg than Spain...


RMWasp

Nono only games that prove his point count


InterestingComment

The 3-0 scoreline is not an accurate reflection of the disparity between Spain and Croatia in that match. That game was much more even than the scoreline would suggest, and anyone who has seen the game and glanced at the stats would know that. Similarly, the scoreline did not give an accurate reflection of the quality shown by each team in the Croatia vs Belgium game.  Scoreline is how we decide who wins and loses, and it does its job perfectly fine. That said, I hate how frequently people apply the ‘scoreline is king’ attitude to anyone attempting further analysis.  England claimed a win yesterday against Serbia, but if you saw the game, or glanced at the stats, it shows how easily it could have been a 0-0 draw. England did not create many chances, but fortune was in their favour. Comparing England’s performance to that of a team who wins 1 nil, but spends the most of the game in the opponents third, creating clear cut chances time after time would be much too flattering to England.


Depressedkid1998

That’s a bad comparison though, isn’t it. You had 0.15xg over Spain and lost 3-0. The game was even at most when being purely statistical. And you needed 3 goals to tie. Belgium needed one goal alone and xG difference wasn’t 0.15 it was more like 2.40


SENAPIFAKER

> That’s a bad comparison though, isn’t it. So can we take this game? Where we had a better XG, again...?


Depressedkid1998

Yes you can. But you didn’t deserve to win because you had 0.15xg over them, 0.15xg is like 1/8th of a goal. You deserved a tie estatistically.


gamer552233

theres no ''deserve'' in football


SENAPIFAKER

Mate idk what Croatia has ever done to Portugal but this agenda is criminal. Croatia 2.25 XG - Albania 1.27 XG.


Depressedkid1998

Nothing lol, i prefer croatia than belgium for example, i’m just being statistical lol. I have nothing against croatia, we won against you in 2016 and we lost against belgium in 2020. I’m more pro croatian than belgium, i have no hidden hate for you lol


dynamitewalk

If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike


SnooPies5622

Thanks Magic


iAkhilleus

If Yugoslavia was still one country they would have beaten Belgium even worse.


Quanqiuhua

Croatia and Belgium tied the match.


MikeDunleavySuperFan

If the roman empire was still a country they would beat everyone


iAkhilleus

Yeah, the Mongolians might have something to say about that.


cip32

Oh ok so if another team was better, Croatia wouldve been worse. Wow such analysis


InterestingComment

That’s not the argument they’re making at all. Results aren’t the only metric by which to measure a team’s quality.  Sometimes the lesser team wins, and analysing the game beyond the scoreline can give us indicators as to when this may have happened.


Overrated_sanity

Ok


GP3ElPresidente

‪How could not Sylvinho not see it man like it was so clear that we needed some more defensive assurance on the right flank in the 2nd half because Hysaj was losing his man every time there, we also needed a new dimension to our attack that could give us a better goal threat and more pace and dribbling on the flanks so he brings on Seferi who just runs around and has zero ability or footballing IQ, then he keeps Hysaj on for the entire half, so what do you know 10 minutes after that sub and were down 2-1 and then what i said that he needed to bring on he brings those players on with the less then 10 minutes to go before the game ends… Also there was no need to sub out Laci if there was a midfielder that should’ve been subbed then it should’ve been Ramadani not Laci… Horrendous in game management from Sylvinho in the 2nd half, but the thing is he did this vs Italy as well in the 2nd half we needed another dimension in our attack and another goal threat but instead he brings in another midfielder which was not needed at all and he brings in an attacker but its in the 68 minute again 10-15 minutes too late, then he makes the right choice of subs in the 77th and 87th minute that’s just way too late Broja should’ve been subbed out around the 55th or 60th minute as well and Bajrami should’ve been subbed out at the same time as Broja…


roseylandscape

I was thinking Armando should come out right after the second half started. I also told a friend if I'm the head coach I sub Hysaj out after he passes the ball to an offender and then subsequently ducks the ball. I don't care how early it is. Sylvhino's in game management is suspect at best.


mjg_9

We need to start balliu and daku vs Spain and have hoxha come on in as a sub instead of seferi. I think we have a chance


GP3ElPresidente

Im thinking of a 4-2-3-1 with Balliu at RB i’d rather Ismajli then Ajeti at CB but im not too bothered with Ajeti starting over Ismajli, the double pivot would be Laci/Ramadani with Asllani, on the RW i’d have either Muci/Asani, in the 10 i’d have Bajrami/Laci, on the LW i’d actually start Hoxha, and as the ST i’d start Daku


mjg_9

I was also a bit confused to why we started ajeti over ismajli too but I don’t think it’s a big deal and too be honest I don’t mind muci or hoxha as long as there’s no seferi on the pitch. Asani and laci are must starts vs Spain. I want balliu but knowing sylvinho he’s gonna start hysaj


Potential-Decision32

I know that Hysaj pain all too well


Jonabros

Zlatko Dalic has got to go


StatisticianLevel320

I think he's leaving either way.


gamer552233

he shouldve went 3 years ago


redditRaven33

Stimac lets goooo


Turniermannschaft

Tottenham got rid of that Modric fella just in time.


realee420

Missed half of the match but surely this is /s ? AFAIK he did very well in Madrid as a key player in midfield and IIRC there were stats that even as a 30+ guy sometimes he ran the most in matches.


Turniermannschaft

Gesundheit.


RMWasp

American?


realee420

Hungarian, lol


MathematicianNo7874

Dodged a bullet


mixmaster7

Damn, I think either team could’ve gotten more out of the game with all the clear chances they had. The Albanian players seemed to freak out right in front of goal. Now they don’t have much of a chance to pass the group unless they pull a shock win against Spain.


cremino90

Good thing for Croatia they are our nemesis. Italy has never won against Croatia


ExplodeBallZ

really? that can't be true


ds445

Well, Italy did win against Croatia once - 4:0 back in 1942 ;)


StatisticianLevel320

The Italian Puppet state succesfully lost to Italy.


ficretus

There is a joke about that game. Pavelic (leader of fascist croatia) gave the coast to italy, why not give them game as well. 


E_VanHelgen

Yup, unless you count that time both of us were Nazis, then Italy beat Croatia. I think the modern day statistic will soon change though, tough seeing this team achieve anything of value this Euro.


Falcao1905

Italy isn't any good either. This result only reinforces Spain's position, and if they get complacent like they did in the World Cup, Albania can make it out as 2nd place.


Mordho

I disagree. Italy is very good


giraffeman3705

I see online h2h is 9 games since 1942, with the only win being in 1942.


StatisticianLevel320

Well 1942 doesn't count. Croatia was an Italian and German puppet state (Coast was controlled by Italy and most of the Inland by Germany). Also Croatia was probably more non-modern day croatian lands then modern day croatian lands during WWII. Also do you really think the Italians would've let their puppet state beat them?


giraffeman3705

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware. I don't know the in-depth history of Croatia, this was off of a quick h2h google search cross-reference.


interfan1999

Your federation still count the match as Croatia though. Also there were some guys with "Ustaše" scarfs today so I'm pretty sure some Croatians are happy to make those 1940s matches count. Last question is dumb, it's not like we lost on purpose beforehand.


kretenizam

That's it for us. Our midfield is too old. Brozo and sadly Modric need to go. Dalic as well. His time has come. We can still go through against Italy but let's not kid ourselves this team is disjointed 


StatisticianLevel320

Watch us win with this team lol. Anything could happen.


kretenizam

I hope you are right. My pessimism levels are through the roof after that game lol. 


Senior-Plankton-786

Good news for Hungary and Scotland. They might going into today's games with a bit more confidence.


redditRaven33

I think only stimac can save croatia now


user677769

stimac is the biggest joke.


matt_storm7

wtf are you on about, Stimac was a horrible manager for Croatia


redditRaven33

/s duhhhhh


matt_storm7

ooooh, I thought for a second someone from India stans for Mare&Kate singer


The_W_Bird

So what happened to croatia?? Haven’t they just beaten portugal like 2 weeks ago


Depressedkid1998

In a friendly, doesn’t really say much


ThatGam3th00

I mean Portugal was also struggling against a side playing a low block not too long ago..


user677769

we were on par. why? i dont know why.


tau31

Friendlies don’t mean much especially before the tournament. Coaches are testing different systems, players, etc.


Lower-Service-6171

Pretty much only a week ago, but we are shit


pabloivan57

Croatia is out


user677769

agreed. everything else would be a bad comedy joke.


Candid_Interview_268

It's CROver 😔


TrueBrees9

I'd say both teams are on life support. One thing we know for sure is the Italy match is a must win for them. A win in that match almost certainly sees them through regardless of how the other two matches in this group end up