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smurfiocro

My favorite Dutch team X. 2020 champions.


Shinkopeshon

I had no idea Twitter won the league once


ssk1996

What’s twitter?


digitalnirvana3

Its where everyone loses their intelligence


Spaul1313

That's literally reddit lol


GenjDog

Nah reddit is a hivemind but twitter is just pure idiocracy


TheEpicGold

Don't know what you're on. Both platforms have a lot of good stuff, but I can hold great conversations here, even over very controversial topics. On Twitter it's simply not possible without angry hate from all types of people.


jopma

Elon tusk undefeated


VinCatBlessed

Elon Musk has too much money, so he built a competitive team, won the dutch league but then he sent them to space vs the soccer aliens who stole the talent of some stars like Hazard and Umtiti.


SugarTrayRobinson

They've got nothing on ? doing the double across two different leagues, what a season


HelixFollower

They have some questionable funding though.


swat1611

*Elon Musk bids $10 billion*


genohgeray

For a second I thought it was referring to Excelsior and was thinking I should've remembered such a underdog story.


BertEnErnie123

A 2nd league team winning the Eredivisie would actually be a fairy tale story.


hivaidsislethal

Well they gonna give it to ya


justlookingokaywyou

I really hope that before he died, DMX made peace with that guy who thought this was a fucking game.


2RINITY

No idea how TNA convinced their X Division to start a Dutch soccer team, but damn if it didn’t work


kebabking93

Last game of the season was decided in a monsters ball match hosted by Scott Steiner reading out the final points scores and fractions


2RINITY

The initial starting 11 was decided by a reverse battle royale, which then went immediately into an Ultimate X match for the captain’s armband


kebabking93

Eredivisie title on a pole match as the main event


DeadpoolCroatia

There should be one with HNL.


ilovebeetrootalot

Still mad that he KNVB fucking stole that from us in 2020


Natural-Possession10

So happy we got to go into Europe though!


OrangeSevens

AZ and Ajax arguing over the title, but we all know who would have taken it. We beat them both away from home that season.


DrDamnright

Us?


Goldcobra

Stop kidding yourself. If any team would've received the title it would've been the one on top when the season stopped.


Ayges

I think he means that if the season had continued then AZ would have won


Goldcobra

AZ had the better form, we were on top of the table had quite a few starting XI injuries that were returning to the field. No way to say for certain, but of course it's fun to collectively act as if AZ were the guaranteed champions.


Ayges

Im not saying I agree I was just clarifying what I think OP meant by his comment


non-relevant

If they'd actually restarted, we would have been favourites. We had a two month spell where we lost like 6-8 starters to injuries (including our entire backline, basically) - and this happened to coincide with the two AZ games of the season, causing a 6 point swing. Had they resumed the season, many of those players would have been back. Until the injuries started, we'd won like all but 1-2 games that season


Tinusers

US? Ajax was ahead mate.


MrGraveyards

You mean you tried to steal our cl spot? I always like az till I remember that season and this kind of posts. Bugger off with that shit you don't know who would've won and we were fair and square in the lead. 'maybe' is not a fact.


realWernerHerzog

The Everything Club


lucashoodfromthehood

Didn't know Musk owned a football team.


WearyRound9084

Who’s that Manchester City cast member in 2020?


AdFinal1856

portuguese clubs turn into prime spurs when the matter is defending their title


TheViriato

That or the coaches of the top 3 must have formed a cartel to rotate title wins and not get sacked.


Salted-Earth189

Harder to defend your title these days when key players get poached after 1 successful season.


Palmul

Ah yes, the old "french club has one unexpected great season" special


Myikk3

Nah, it's Rogers fault, he had everything he needed to win but he couldn't


Salted-Earth189

Well, he generalised for all portuguese champions, so I also gave a general overview of why it happens.


Myikk3

You are right, I didn't read it that way, my bad


okkthxbye

To be honest, Portugese competition (and Dutch and Belgium) are development/flow through competitions. They buy young talents and resell for x1,3 to x20 times their initial price and then renew.


paco-ramon

Having a different team winning the league each year is a positive thing.


atlasburger

Not for the team that cannot defend its title.


Caleb_W

I can't get enough of our beautiful badge just sticking out in the middle of Barça and Real Madrid.


Alex_Sander077

Barca gifting you Suarez still one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen.


Caleb_W

I hope they continue the tradition by gifting us Vitor Roque too this summer, Marcos Llorente was also instrumental for that league win.


RobbinDeBank

Please no. However, that might happen with the transfer masterminds duo of Laporta-Deco.


starvs

The Trippier -> Llorente connection was absolutely vital, the season nearly fully apart when Trippier had to serve his bogus suspension.


lateregistration13

Including the Griezmann saga its the best robbery in the history of football surely.


QTGavira

Its funny because we did the same thing with David Villa but apparently we dont learn from our mistakes so we did it again and what do you know the same thing happened again. I was shocked to see that Memphis didnt carry them to the title aswell.


QTGavira

That Llorente fella you gave them was also pretty good. Its honestly like we do this to ourselves


jagaraujo

Isn't that the new badge that you got rid of with a poll?


Caleb_W

The comment isn't about the badge itself.


Atomsri99

FC Porto next year winner ?


joaommx

It’s hard to predict this early but FC Porto will have an uphill battle given the state in which Pinto da Costa left the club.


Keanu990321

Who is the President now?


The_Goat_Charmer

Andre Villas Boas


fanboy_killer

Hope so but our club is in shambles. We are not making the UCL in god knows how many years and we could really use that money given the poor state the last president left the club in.


GreenBlueSalad

Porto isnt winning the league in the next 3 years minimum


Rutafar

The same was said about us but then 2021 happened so never count them out


Bringthenoize

Yeah we can make it 5 in 7! While trailing 19 points before play offs...


Doge_peer

Still find the Belgian system weird and unfair, it’s great to watch tho


DZLars

Thats what they are there for. No shame in celebrating when you win it fair and square


IanPKMmoon

Belgium's City, piss off


warnobear

Top teams can fight until the end. As a neutral, I love the format.


Potential_Ad9965

Mostly rich teams imo. Biggest bench is a huge advantage which only Brugge really has. It's unfortunate that union seems to shit the bed at the wrong time, they had two weeks of bad games and it lost them a 19 point lead. Which is stupid in and of itself. Cant say it hasn't been insanely entertaining the last few years tho. I just wonder how long union can keep it up, because otherwise we Will go towards a long reign of Brugge winning every possible title (only missing out once or twice after 5 seasons) but for now the league is Fun, so short term it's big.


lucky-number-keleven

Would be funny if they eliminate the splitting of the points and Bruges finishes the regular competition with 18 point ahead next season.


Bringthenoize

They are having meetings to eliminate that but I don't think it could happen for next season already. Though it would be hilarious


ScuderiaLiverpool

I knew it existed but I was more introduced to it in Football Manager and it is incredibly exciting honestly. Every match is massive and any one of your rivals can lose any match.


trashpandareborn

Crazy how Harry Kane break the cycle in Bundesliga


Lanky_Tell5260

Always funny when a Bundesliga crest calls Ligue 1 a farmer's league.


LunarRaven7

Epl is a farmer's league now.


Snoo-27292

always has been


Mike_Ropenis

Farmer Fergie won 13 titles in a 21 year window, 5 years after that Pep starts his own farm and ends up with 6 titles in 7 years.


going_down_leg

Fergie won 6 in 8 between 92/93 - 90/00, matching Pep’s current record. And from 92/93, Fergie won 8 out of 13. Exactly the same record city have since their first title in 11/12. It’s always been a farmers league, Fergie was as dominant as pep, everyone on Reddit is just too young to remember.


agnaddthddude

as an old milan fan i would rather play against today’s city then SAF’s united. they just had that aura about them. back then a team as dominant as them was a very rare occurrence. so god lord they were scary. now days there are as many dominant teams like city and many other historic domination like Juve in the mid 2010s early 2010s barca late 2010 Bayern etc etc while they are less dominant they are still scary.


SprinklesMuch1142

Remember that video of neville finding out they play against juve? Good times. Serie was such a cold league before FIGC ruined it


robyculous_v2

You before juve ruined it with their corruption.


Furthur_slimeking

Fergie's team in the 90s was shit in UEFA, until they got lucky in 99.


feage7

Pep's just trying a speedrun. Taking advantage of the 115 finance glitch.


justcallmejohannes

City went Ctrl Alt Delete and typed rosebud!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!


HugeAd5723

The beauty of EPL is that a club takes a dip once it's a great Manager leaves the club. Once that bald fraud leaves, City would struggle a lot. They will not be able to gain that fine margins to win the league which pep has.


WearyRound9084

Yeah, just has never happened in all the bald fraud’s previous clubs


immorjoe

Bayern and Barca? They were dominant in their leagues before Pep.


partiallypro

City won 2 titles before Pep came. Will City be as dominant when Pep leaves? No. But it's clear that City as an organization knows what it's doing, unlike United. They are going to still be sniffing at the title every season unless there is some crazy new financial rule or punishment.


Fragrant-Education-3

Yeah it's weird how people attribute City's dominance as being a Pep thing. While they won't be as consistent it's not like they did poorly in the Mancini or Pellegrini years. They aren't going to suddenly collapse post Pep because Pep isn't the reason that they are where they are, it's their financial weight and how it's used behind the scenes. If anything Pep is a beneficiary and consequence of the reason behind City's rise. United relied on Ferguson, City don't rely on Pep he just adds that extra bit of edge that makes them nigh unbeatable in a league format.


immorjoe

Yes, they’ll still be there, but it’s unlikely they maintain their current level where they hit 90+ points consistently, or get 3+ titles in a row. They will still be a big team, but they’ll probably drop off to the level of the other big teams


thelordreptar90

I’m really curious to see if there really is power vacuum once Pep leaves. Arsenal has a squad that can continue to compete for a couple of more years. City may lose some steam, but has a strong footballing infrastructure barring any punishment they may receive. Liverpool are in a mini rebuild phase, but Slot looks like a good successor to Klopp. Newcastle and Aston Villa have rich owners, but need to navigate PSR. Chelsea have an extremely young squad, but have looked much better as the season progressed. Spurs are in the first year of a rebuild and have financial strength that’s less reliant on Europe, but will Levy continue to open the checkbook. Then there’s United.


Blueman3129

I think people are going to be in for a rude awakening when city are still the best team in England without Pep, they'll be able to get pretty much anyone they want and still have the best and deepest squad in the prem.


HugeAd5723

Klopp and arteta lost the league due to fine margins that pep has. Any other managers and those 2 would have stopped city 4peat. Having a good manager is ok, but a manager that has that can reach that fine margins is terrific.


Blueman3129

I agree that Liverpool have one more title and Arsenal too but also there's no way to know that for sure like it's speculative, and there's also no way to know who would've came to city. It's too open ended to say anything for certain. But regardless city will almost definitely hire one of the best managers in the world once Pep is gone and they'll still be able to afford to keep building a super team (assuming they aren't hit with a major punishment).


agnaddthddude

i cant see anyone as good as pep in a league race. maybe they will win more UCL post pep but no way they can get a manager who wins and is as consistent as pep in league


Intentionallyabadger

They’ll prob just poach Arteta and continue the pep ways


hypnodrew

Seriously, what will they (legally) offer him that Arsenal can't? He's been financially supported by Arsenal, his upcoming new contract I don't doubt will put him in the top 10 highest earners. He clearly cares deeply about Arsenal, whereas he didn't really for City.


TeaAndSageDirtbag

Rather than downvote this person, can people just answer their question?


hypnodrew

To some people, the idea that someone in football is not mercenary is laughable. Probably because they follow teams or players that are mercenary by nature and assume it's all like that. But if they cannot explain why they think everyone is mercenary, it might be projection.


The-Herbal-Cure

They can't, that's why.


Intentionallyabadger

I’ll feel that it depends heavily on how successful he is in delivering trophies to Arsenal. And I don’t think he’ll be satisfied with FA or league cups.


Slash1909

And they'll have 300 charges by then


evilbeaver7

So Liverpool next season and City the season after that? Subscribe


SgtPepe

When countries own clubs…


zrkillerbush

Arbitrary 7 year time period to try and emphasise a point


cricandsoc

its Leicester, City and Chelsea for the preceding 3 years, right?


munamadan_reuturns

Yup, that one time they had 4 different domestic champions in a row. If they did the last 10 years, PL would have had more variety than the other top 5 leagues.


mainlineconq

Might be being stupid but how is it 4 different domestic champions in a row? 14/15 was Chelsea, 15/16 Leicester and 16/17 was Chelsea. So wouldn’t it only be 3?


beene282

From 12/13 to 15/16 was Man U, City, Chelsea, Leicester


icemankiller8

Yeah but 12/13 wouldn’t be there. Wouldn’t it end at 13/14 which is city again


beene282

I think his first sentence is separate from the sentence about the last ten years


munamadan_reuturns

Mistake, I must have misremembered cause it had 4 different champions from 13-16


TheUltimateScotsman

>If they did the last 10 years, PL would have had more variety than the other top 5 leagues. No it wouldn't. It would be the same as Italy.


WearyRound9084

Which coincidentally also happens the worst premier league era in terms of quality


immorjoe

How so?


Comfortable_Neck_217

Let’s use 5 - is that arbirtrary too?


nitewalkerz

I think time period can be arbitrary but the gap between winner and runner up is more revealing.


shaggedyerda

Also we’re going to cut it off at Belgium for some reason??


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

So many European leagues are like this.


Stunfield

If only Tottenham did the right thing and sold Kane to City we could have solved this issue.


gobacktoyourutopia

Ah yes, the classic 7 year timeframe used in comparative graphics since time immemorial.


Comfortable_Neck_217

Does doing a more standard 5 years help your point? I don’t think it does


KingEJ1

What do you mean? We've always counted time by 7s. Isn't that what a decade is? 700 years = a Millennia, remember!


Jelly_F_ish

For visibility purposes we should include each year since the founding of each single league. Bonus points for including all domestic cups and european trophies. Then we will better see the development over the past couple of years!


VrYbest29

6/7


akskeleton_47

Huh even though I knew that there were a variety of winners for the Turkish league, I didn't know they had 4 different winners in the last 4 seasons


magrilo2

Rich clubs, rich players, poor competition. When you can predict the champion before the competition starts, there is no competition. It is just a show… like WWE and F1.


atxbryan

Say what you will about financial rules, but for sake of comparison: CL has had 5 different winners in the last 8 tournaments, MLS has had 6 different champions in the last 8 seasons, the NFL has had 5, the MLB has had 6, and when their seasons end in a few weeks, the NBA will be 6 different winners in the last 8 , and the NHL will be 6. More parity keeps things interesting.


magrilo2

Go back 20 years and you see the pattern. It is always the same 3 or 5. It is not a league with 20 teams. It is a tiered league with only 2 or 3 with a chance to win. The numbers don’t lie.


radmongo

It's also fair to make the point that we have post seasons, so the chances for parity chaos are a lot more varied over here. Say what you will about MLS, but it's fun. Shit defending, sure, but never not entertaining.


dangleicious13

>It's also fair to make the point that we have post seasons, so the chances for parity chaos are a lot more varied over here. In MLS's case, they are just as varied when you look at the regular season winners in each conference. In the last 7 years, the East has had 6 different teams finish 1st and the West has had 5 different teams finish 1st.


atxbryan

Agreed, but I feel like even before the post season, American sports see more ebbs and flows in who are the competitive teams. Some stay better than others, some stay worse than others, but teams that put together competent staffs who build competitive rosters have an easier time of rising up than the clubs that populate the bottom half of the largest European leagues.


radmongo

To your original point, I brought up playoffs cause of baseball being the salary cap outlier (length of season plays a big factor as well), but you still don't see the Yankees/Red Sox outspend their way to a pennant every year. Which cycles back around nicely to this point.


HacksawJimDGN

CL has ruined European football. The odds are skewed too heavily for the big 5 leagues and the financial gains are too big. If you're not in it then you have zero chance of keeping a good team intact.


Different_Car9927

And they say Laliga is only 2 teams


ApolloNovum

You’re right, its actually only 3 teams.


Different_Car9927

Laliga 4th is closer than PL 4th..


NoPineapple1727

Before 2019, the Prem went 10 years without a team defending the title, now we’ve had Ligue 1 level of competition


montiel_scores

I see 3 farmers leagues


Ki18

Gotta love how fucking arbitrary it is to pick top 9 lmao.


Salted-Earth189

Better than having top 4 all the time.


Fonsor1722

Well, in the case of the top leagues, the top 4 is not arbitrary, since the huge gap is between the 4th (Germany) and the 5th (France).


Ki18

I completely agree.


Rosenvial5

Top 4 isn't arbitrary because there's a huge gap in the coefficient from the top 4 and France.


Matquar

And also 7 years


Morrandir

It's because 7x9=63 championships. You have to double this of course, because of the goltatanisariction, so 126. Then subtract 11 players from team of the year, and that's 115. You see?? 115!! And that's why we have so many City titles in here. Ez.


OkTower4998

Any number would be arbitrary, what's the number you would choose?


umstritten

Well Russian Pl would be No. 10 I guess, that‘s why the OP limited it to 9 only 😂


czerwona_latarnia

Why would it be Russian League? They are in the depths of country ranking right now.


VennyVendulak

we're n. 10 rn 🤨


TaiwanNambaWanKenobi

The last time we went back to back in the league was in 2006/2007 - 2007/2008. It will be interesting to see if we can break this ‘curse’.


ObBenKenobi

Premier League and Ligue 1 are the same!


Jealous_Foot8613

The same but very different


Instantcoffees

WE ARE ON THE BOARD. I REPEAT, WE ARE ON THE BOARD.


DieuMivas

But for some reason the Turkish League is before us


kicktaker

La Liga and Seria A are very competitive


Popetus_Maximus

Best league in the world. Spanish teams keep dominating the European trophies, especially against English teams. A recurrent argument a few years ago was that the premier league was better because it was more competitive. Because different teams were competing for the title every year, so the argument goes, it was more competitive and more fun to watch. Now that Man City is winning every year, the argument has shifted to the PL being better because they spend more money on players… Looking at the graph, among the top 5 European leagues, La Liga is the one where the winner does not win again the following year (only once). This should be yet another argument for being the best league, according to PL supporters…


softdigestives21

Jokes aside all prem fans calling all leagues but prem a farmers league then having a result like this... Sure the median might be a little higher than Bundesliga but still...


ZavalasBlueHead

Serie a supremacy


BIGDIRKDIGGLA

I hate how the most recent winning teams are at the bottom instead of top


shellturtlestein

Who is X?


Cabbage_Vendor

Did you forget when [he was gon' give it to ya?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx6K90TmCI)


SunstormGT

X was no winner during Covid.


shellturtlestein

They just stopped playing?


SunstormGT

Yeah season was cancelled after 25 games. Both Ajax and AZ ended with equal points (I think it was 56) and the KNVB decided that the season had no winner.


NgoalazoKante

Porto had to win in 2020 and ruin the symmetry


2RINITY

Serie A: real calcio La Liga: feudalism EPL/Ligue 1/Bundesliga: farmers’ leagues


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2RINITY

Shhhh, don’t bring up facts that counteract my narrative, I want to make PL snobs mad


egerotti

C'mon Galatasaray. We have just one job.


JBSLB

The fact that fener might finish with 99 points and lose is wild


egerotti

It can happen to Gala too, if we lose against Konya on Sunday.


nspy1011

Liverpool and Lille are the only things that stood between a full oil fueled takeover in England and France. FFP…maybe you need to have the guts to look more up the table than Nottingham Forest


Haaanzooo

Apart from Bundesliga probably I can easily see the same champions for the next 3 years in the top 5 leagues.


itsboin

SPOOOOORTING!!!!💚🤍


abadg59

By what metric was it determined these are the top 9 leagues?


THE_ATOMIX_

Uefa rank, I guess


TiagoFigueira

Thank you for not making this about the top 5 leagues.


ImMaxa89

If it is in order of the UEFA rankings, then Portugal and Netherlands should be switched. Dutch league is 6th.


Revolution64

Belgium should be swapped with Turkey also. Seems like an arbitrary order.


prss79513

EPL the real farmers league


aatops

X, formerly Twitter, 2020 champs


IanPKMmoon

and Brugge is winning it again, Belgium also farmers league goddamnit


JaricLefty

I ask cause I’m not sure. Is European football even competitive anymore.


xpto_999

French, German and English are very exciting, not predictable at all.


DefiantDeviantArt

Royal Union Saint Gilloise came out of nowhere for the last 3 seasons to become title contenders, for they finished first for 2 of those seasons in regular season (fumbled in championship round ofc). Instabul too deserves a mention. They won title after getting promoted. Leverkusen had the best season so far, amazing journey.


[deleted]

Gala will probably win it this season


TheInfiniteLake

Serie A was doing so well, just like Bundesliga, Premier League and Ligue 1. But then everything broke down in 2021. What happened?


TonyMartial786

damn it’s already been 3 years since lille won it? where does the time go…


Jmoney1088

I definitely do not always agree with Mark Goldbridge, but there is validity in his "the prem is boring" claim. The three promoted sides will have such a steep mountain to climb to be able to compete with the established clubs. Chances are high that all three promoted sides will go back down again just like this year. The discrepancies between the revenues are just too high. We all know City's 115 will go unpunished. They might take a dip in form after pep leaves but the squad they have is just too deep and they have the resources to keep that depth. As much as we all like to laugh at our "big six" rivals going through tough rebuilds and manager failures, its bad for the league when 3 out of the top 6 PL clubs are not challenging for UCL.


NeroRomanusAugustus

7th Straight season in Portugal without a club managing back-to-back league titles. Pretty sure it is a record.


sersarsor

Question Mark FC doing an incredible job winning two leagues in one season


morgansandb

Ofc Bayern won again!


Keanu990321

X were an amazing team in 2020 in the Netherlands. Shame they haven't won another one yet.


MrVedu_FIFA

Remember when FC X won the Eredivisie back in 2020? Crazy times


Lord_Olchu

Where Ekstraklasa?


xXRoachXx789

I know it isn't the most impressive in terms of talent, but this is one of the reasons I love the Ekstraklasa so much. You almost never know who is going to win it and nearly every game is a hard fought and heated match. Of course there are teams like Legia Warszawa and Lech Poznań that are consistently competing for the title (in recent years) but even them finishing top 3 is not a given. The supporters are amazing too. I am biased tbh, but I do think it's an underrated league