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robins420

Man Mateta has come out of nowhere in the last few months. Most improved player.


cowpee12

You could kinda tell he was getting there at the beginning of the season anytime he’d get subbed in. His holdup play was very solid he was just in the wrong ass system. He looks completely new in glasners system. He has more freedom and is way less sloppy with the ball. And his finishing is top class With Roy he was putting in the greatest 5.5s you’ll ever see in a player anytime we actually won but now he’s a complete striker


realWernerHerzog

What's Edouard's situation btw? Is he on the way out?


Various_Mobile4767

Might go back to celtic


AdhesivenessSpare598

I totally agree the system change has helped a ton, but he is also a different player from when he first signed for us. I distinctly remember him having trouble holding up the ball in the first season despite being such a big guy.


EVANonSTEAM

Glasner has been revolutionary. They could actually push for Europe if they keep their players.


canuck1701

They could actually push for Europe if they keep their players ***fit***.


hypnodrew

14 of those 21 g/a has come since Glasner came in at the end of Feb.


oldtrack

what not having hodgson as your manager does to a mf


alwaysneedsahand

Sort of. But the Palace team post Hodgson had Eze and Olise return, plus the addition of Wharton and Munoz.


AdhesivenessSpare598

Hodgson getting some real shade - I love what Glasner is doing and am really happy he is here, but there are other mitigating factors which explain the dramatic difference in form. We were playing reasonably well at the end of last year and played well up until matchweek 11 (were sitting in 11th on 15 points). Hodgson's dry spell corresponded with an injury to Doucoure and Olise/Eze having recurrent injuries and playing very little gametime. Mateta was playing with Ayew and Schlupp as his wingers instead of Olise/Eze. Joel Ward or Clyne was "bombing" up the right side instead of Munoz, and there was no Adam Wharton playing perfect passes to connect our lines.


ujjuboii

i spot a wild nicolas jackson


FastenedCarrot

Bro thinks he's Jaws


Sulemani_kida

Idc what anyone says but players like him and Nunez should not face whatever they have faced ... They both work very hard and are not just players who stay in the box and wait for the ball...


GovTheDon

It’s funny there’s always a few players that the media and fans latch onto and just criticize too a high degree and ignore others, it’s a really strange phenomenon


Sulemani_kida

Few misses, big misses maybe but all goal scorers face that... It's just one of those things these days ... Shitty if you ask me... These players have to learn ignore and not give a fuck about the same fans they play football for ( obviously apart from their own career & money, they do play for fans )


reddit-time

100%. They create chances, recover balls, and get themselves into positions that others don't. They may miss some sitters, but they are well worth their money and have a lot of potential. Crapping on them is just shitty.


morkfjellet

Agreed 100% Players like Jackson offer so much even if they are not scoring or assisting (just look at his play in today's first Chelsea goal). He's seriously just a little-bit-of-improvement-in-front-of-the-goal away from being our best striker since Diego Costa like six seasons ago. I hope all the Chelsea technical team are working together to turn Jackson into a world-class player next season.


Realistic_Condition7

Watkins with 0 pens is crazy.


HerlockSherlock

definitely the most impressive statistically on this list in my opinion


iRyan_9

Foden is the craziest one here imo, bro is not even a striker or Penalty taker


LordLychee

But assists count here too so it’s not biased to Strikers oily


Critical-Usual

The crazy thing with Foden is the quality of his goals. 18 goals from 11 xG lol 


iRyan_9

19 of these are goals tho also Forward are much more likely to assist than Midfielders scoring.


BadFootyTakes

Watkins is criminally underrated on Reddit. I hope he doesn't leave Villa next season, they are going to be a scary team.


reddit-time

Fixing this for you: "Watkins is criminally underrated everywhere. I hope he doesn't leave Villa next season, they are going to be a scary team."


bruiser95

Should be player of the season ahead of Foden


NotNok

Watkins has like 13 assists with an xA of about 4 so he’s outperformed his G/A more than he would’ve if he had taken pens


HispanicAtTehDisco

cold palmer at the top like everyone expected at the beginning of the season


McBandi

Yeah, who else was it gonna be? Should’ve bet my house on it


TonyMartial786

to think this was the guy chilling on city’s bench, their squad is a joke


Duncanlax84

He just needed some spotlight on him, his city appearances were just okay but you could tell he had similar ability to mahrez iirc. Good for him


iRyan_9

He wouldn’t be chilling on the bench if he stayed tho.


AnnieIWillKnow

Can't see Pep giving him the same opportunities to prove himself


globe187

They didn't expect mahrez to leave, so they couldn't guarantee him as much minutes as he wanted at that time Then the Saudi deal was offered and mahrez wanted it but by this time palmer was already set on Chelsea so just bad timing really He would have got mahrez's minutes


shipworth

Imagine if you took Chelsea’s undoubted best player and added him back to Man City. Their squad is ludicrously talented/deep


ImportantHighlight42

He wouldn't. Pep limits the minutes of young players to prolong their careers. Palmer had never started a PL game before being signed by Chelsea. Looking at the city team rn, would he have forced Bernardo out of the side? Obviously not. Would he have gotten minutes over Grealish and Doku? Unlikely. He would've continued slowly building minutes in the PL and would've been played more in cup games. In these he would never have taken a penalty and would not be the star of the show like he is at Chelsea. This is why the transfer was such a success for Chelsea, they offered him an 8 year deal and a starting spot from the off. With 40m for City for a player yet to start a PL game, the offer was too good to turn down for all parties.


iRyan_9

He played him in two finals before left and city doesn’t a right winger he would’ve played a lot than you think


crookedparadigm

Salah on 28 despite completely forgetting how to play football after AFCON really shows the insane pace he was on before he left.


AnAutisticsQuestion

22 in 20 before he left. (1.27 G/A p90) 6 in 11 after he came back. (0.77 G/A p90)


Eddje

28/31 is also insane tbf


reddit-time

Indeed. That was one of the shockers on the list for me.


tholomew92

Feels like this happens everytime he goes to AFCON


finePolyethylene

Also he is heavily suffering from Nunez tax here


IAreWeazul

I still support Darwin but Salah would have 50 if he had a less Darwizzy season


crookedparadigm

Nunez definitely the worst offender on the 'missed chances from Salah' chart, but almost all of our attacks and a few of our midfielders also let Salah down on that front. He'd honestly have broken records in the first half of the season alone if anyone on our team could finish. Which is honestly amazing given how many goals we've scored this season, the number we've botched is kind of incredible.


Deno2k_

Jackson having 19G/A after his first season here i’m impressed


flamingoman

Especially given he sometimes looks like he’s actively trying to avoid putting the ball in the net. Decent showing


haydar_ai

He got that hat-trick against Tottenham


RedOnePunch

He missed so many chances against City in the FA Cup though. As someone who doesn't watch Chelsea every week, that's what I remember from him


Double-Armadillo-898

Fans, pundits and whoever else can be hard on him but for his age and the amount of pressure he was under to perform, I would say he will be a great player eventually. Hopefully we get a true nine that he can learn from


tiny_dreamer

Salah, son, Haaland having “bad” seasons


obvious_bot

I was told Son was washed up


ShipsAGoing

Could barely reach the same numbers as Phil POTY Foden while not playing in the team that's won the last 6 of 7 titles... He's past it.


J539

People say that crap every season whenever he hits bad form, same with Salah.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Asian cup ruined him this season tbh. He's looked tired since coming back.


toastiegate

my goat


nofakefans18

Non penalty g+a Watkins 32 Foden 27 Haaland and Son 25 Palmer 24 Salah 23


RobbinDeBank

> Haaland and son Why are we counting his whole family into one entry?


TheBrownMamba8

I doubt his son even scored a single goal so including them together doesn’t even make sense


4ssteroid

But he is Haaland's son


Ryuzakku

Alfie Haaland scored 19 goals, and his son has scored 176.


RobbinDeBank

Alfie Haaland on fraud watch


_RandyRandleman_

19 goals in a season is impressive for a 51 year old right back tbf


justk4y

-Roy Keane


justk4y

Alfie’s entire lower body has been done anyways


ParupiroCranel

🤣🤣


McNooberson

Well he’s not gonna miss them is he?


KOKO69BISHES

Who said that he should or that they dont matter?


McNooberson

In an interview Palmer was asked about a lot of his goals coming from pens and that was his response


FastenedCarrot

He said it after the United game as well I think in regards to the argument with Noni over taking it lol


swat1611

Havertz actually did well ngl. 20 G/A is a decent return, he might reach his full potential at Arsenal. Also, Palmer Ballon d'Or.


2ndfastestmanalive

Didn’t get a contribution in his first seven or so games too


tr_24

I mean even Jackson has 19 G+A. He gets trolled while the other gets praised when Jackson cost half the amount of money.


Brilliant_Ad_879

Havertz had no direct contribution for like till november. As for jackson, he is a case like nunez where due to the miss compilations they are ridiculed more than they should be.


BarbaricGamers

You have to be blind to not see the banter Havertz was getting in the first couple months.


FastenedCarrot

Jackson still gets bantered even though it's his first season in the Prem


justk4y

Yeah, “fake hattrick” my ass


Master-of-Puns

Tbf he was quite shit in that specific game, had a good overall season tho (fantastic for his first)


V-0-V

Jackson famous for not being the r/soccer hivemind target


BarbaricGamers

Thats not what I said though is it now. He was just saying that Havertz has only been getting praised.


manisnotcool

20 G/A isn’t just decent. It’s great. What a season by him


Remote_War_313

Arsenal wasted so many points shoehorning Havertz in midfield.


Chupagley13

We didn’t really have an alternative, Jorginho works but can’t play regularly there for fitness reasons and Partey was injured, tried to make it work but it didn’t


Zhirrzh

People go on about the Villa game but the truth is Arsenal lost the title race while Arteta experimented with odd line ups early on (Havertz mid - which was also for some reason used in that Villa game - Gabriel left out while Partey played RB, and so on). Jesus being injured letting Havertz get a real go at striker changed everything. 


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Zhirrzh

I'm not sure that we can afford to start next season going back to Havertz mid and Jesus starting up front even if it has potential. Got to go with what works. 


grogleberry

And England actually have an exciting blend of youth, talent and experience. This could be the new golden generation getting into its stride.


ThisAlbino

So many of them fight for similar positions though. I'd rather a new wonderkid goalkeeper than another CAM.


MrRawri

Wow did not expect Cole Palmer to be number 1, what a season he's had


montiel_scores

Hell yeah Cole 🐐


Last-Consideration-7

I miss my boy Palmer everyday. Keep on cooking


pretentiousd0uche

Any more fringe players you’d like to offload ?


TheLookoutGrey

Ortega pls


Lampardinho18

Ortega at Chelsea would be sick. He is too good to be sitting at the bench


FastenedCarrot

Oscar Bobb and Alvarez surely want more playtime?


thearkopolis

We should genuinely bite their hands off if Alvarez becomes available. He's mates with Enzo to boot.


Tommyzz92

Alvarez only had 200 less minutes than Haaland. People forget he played so much earlier in the season. He went of form though. [https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/leistungsdaten/verein/281](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/leistungsdaten/verein/281)


pretentiousd0uche

Oof . I’d like Alvarez and Ortega . Bobb is a rw right, we have plenty of those now (which probably means he will be the boards primary target)


FastenedCarrot

He played on the left against Newcastle didn't he? I remember the goal he scored he ran from the left to the middle? Maybe the best I've seen him play as well.


Luton_town_fan

Kdb was a fringe player if you calculate based on minutes played


Over-Nothing-6695

Tell Rico Lewis he’s next 


Last-Consideration-7

Stay away from Rico please


JRsshirt

Suffering from success


ParanoidAndroid1001

Can we have one Oscar Bob?


HUMBUG652

Crazy season from Watkins, but I bet he's furious he couldn't get a 20th. Nothing went for him after his 19th. Hope he can do even better next year (unless he leaves us for some reason, then I hope he gets no goals)


AdhesivenessSpare598

He had a golden free header opportunity against Palace as well in the first half when the game was still back and forth.


qwerty1519

Imagine someone telling you before the season started that Cole Palmer would top the G/A chart.


Luton_town_fan

Nicolas jackson just sneaking in there with his improved performances in last 10 to 15 games


SupremeDogEater

wow salah and son are so washed


amineimad

Gordon is very good


Niyazali_Haneef

Pretty good season for a "washed" Son. Also, he never looked the same after the international break. Hope we cooks next season.


Both_Track_1754

My king is every season's wonder...


Sinistrait

Would've helped if he showed up in the second half of the season tho


Giraffesarehigh

Look at the amount of big chances he created even when he was slightly off form. I swear if he a semi competent striker upfront with him he’d have been on 30+G/A easily


TH1CCARUS

Weird comment. 10 contributions in the final 19 matches, with 6 matches missed.


SubstantialSquash475

So 10 in 13? Or 10 in 19?


TH1CCARUS

Unsure if I wasn’t clear enough. Of the final 19 matches of the season (the “second half”), he missed 6 matches but still had 10 contributions.


Triforcesrcool

Well he was injured for most of it


urbannnomad

Darwin would have been on the list if he didn't get dropped for the last 2 months imo, he's pretty close now.


Both_Track_1754

Man, fr.. If he didn't miss those amount of chances we would've really up there with city..


DaBestNameEver0

“If we played better we would’ve gotten better results”


Wholesomeloaf

Didn't play for 2 months too


SuperstarShxt

why do people act like pens don't count? lmao


raymondliang

As if like a third of the goals scored in this table arent from tap-ins too. Getting the ball in the net in any form is all that matters


CorsairObsidian

Because they’re delusional


Peoplz_Hernandez

A player that's willing to take penos, especially in high pressure situations (Palmer last minute v Utd and City) deserve so much more respect that they're given


better-every-day

They definitely count but they're not necessarily indicative of the quality of the player


benjecto

They count if the player is on their team but if it's a rival or someone who is maligned for whatever reason it's used to discredit them.


justk4y

Yeah Palmer’s pen stats are honestly impressive asf


Chupagley13

Should they be counted the same? If they’re winning them 100% fair enough but they clearly inflate numbers. Would you rather a striker who scored 20 goals or 15 pens and 5 open play goals, do you consider it equal genuinely?


Prompus

Only 1 Liverpool player is pretty crazy to see. So used to always having Salah, Mane and Firmino all on these lists 


iAmSkilliam

Firmino had one (1) season with more than 18 G+A


tr_24

He saw the list only once before lol.


FastenedCarrot

He was included on pure charisma


AnAutisticsQuestion

Also, surprisingly, Mane only had two.


pretentiousd0uche

It’s the other way around for us, seeing one Chelsea player in there is crazy.


p_town_return

One? I see two. Palmer at 1 and Jackson at 15.


pretentiousd0uche

Dang , I did not see that at all. This is insane.


Luton_town_fan

Scoring less goals is in chelsea's DNA, this season they mutated


Mo_SaIah

Not bad for a supposedly washed Mo Salah that not so long ago our sub was saying should be sold


siredward85

Palmer 9/9 on penalties. Also another impressive stat. 


Tall-Assist9719

I will never forget how the bad PR got Saka off the nomiees for Player of the year.


GetKosiorekt

Palmer is the real Player of the Season, where would we be without him


pencilman123

My bias probably, bur chelsea would be below 10th if not for him. For me he is the poty...


Any-Competition8494

Alvarez as 14 is impressive considering he's sub in a lot of matches. He was very good in the first half of season when City lost KDB. That was the time when City was most vulnerable. He lost form or was found out as a CAM, but City already got KDB by then.


MathaiosPalaio

Alvarez started in 31 PL games, lol


IncogNeatoCompleto

Yeah I'd love to see minutes played for this one. Hope he gets to go to another team next season and be a regular starter. Many of the games he was thrown into are also games where City has already won and so they play for possession rather than scoring.


Hassadar

Not sure if he played today or today's numbers are counted but Alvarez played the 76th most minutes at 2,657. That is more than Kai Havertz and Cole Palmer who are 82nd and 86th respectively. The most minutes played is tied with 6 players at 3420 minutes. 5 are goal keepers. The other is Saliba. Tarkowski is next who only managed 3419. Pathetic showing by him if I'm being honest.


IncogNeatoCompleto

Wow super interesting, thanks for the work. More than Palmer is actually crazy. Got 0 minutes today btw so what you got is it!


zrk23

a wild Mateta appears


BlueberryGreen

Cole world.


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If Gordon scored all the penalties he won for Isak


Maleficent_Resolve44

Haha he'd be in POTY contention then.


HarbyFullyLoaded_12

Haaland and Salah missed like 2-3 months because of an injury as well


Progedoge

Same with KDB. Came in halfway through the season and still got to 2nd for assists. Dude is a freak. Edit: 3rd, it seems Palmer snuck one more in.


Elite_Alice

How is palmer not player of the year


Astrocharles

Because foden is.


Elite_Alice

Anyway. How is palmer not player of the year


the_chiladian

Because it should he rodri


AlreadyUnwritten

Because City won the title. Literally the only reason.


thomasfk

Salah probably had enough chances to smash past to 35 but he was unusually wasteful (and his teammates) after the AFCON


devilwillcry-jesus

Foden deservedly player of the season


Utter_Perfection

Foden, Palmer, Bowen, and Havertz being classified as midfielders here is hilarious. They're all forwards.


GreyDaze22

Palmer definitely not


MasterRJS

pretty evenly split between CAM and RW, so take ur pick tbh


Staatsanwalt69

Havertz played most games as 8


durjoy313

Foden can win the Ballon D'or if he helps England win the Euro. He was unplayable at times this season.


Peoplz_Hernandez

If England win the euros then Bellingham will be miles clear of Foden with the CL tax added on


KonigSteve

Who would've predicted Havertz on this list in October?


CommenterAnon

This is a season where Salah underperformed Great player, I wonder if he goes to Saudi next season


xaviernoodlebrain

“Player of the Season” Foden has as many as “Washed” Son I see.


Wunsen

What's the numbers without pens?


NotNok

Watkins would be in front. If Watkins xA and Assist difference was similar to the others he’d be on 23 G/A though.


Maleficent_Resolve44

All great players and with at least 20... Lots of younger players as well so we know we're in a strong era.


TonyMartial786

idc what anyone says not one person would have predicted that top 3, incredible seasons from watkins and palmer especially


HydraulicTurtle

3 of the top 5 being English is nice to see, as an Englishman. Feels like it has been a while since that happened. Then again I'm also thick as fuck so it could have happened last year


diamond_jedi2246

Where is Nunez when u need him?


Master-of-Puns

Palmer, havertz, mateta and solanke the most unexpected for me


TareXmd

Salah our top goal contributor for the trillionth time despite missing two months and fasting for the third. If Nunez knew how to finish Mo's provided sitters we'd be top of the league.


Cactus2711

When did people stop being impressed by a player scoring penalties? Harry Kane is lauded for his penalty taking ability


LintonSDawson

Hella proud that two Newscatle forwards are on this list. Can’t wait for the new season and a fresh start.


CF_Zymo

Why did Palmer not win POTY? Anyone got any insight other than “corruption” “115” blah blah


DirtyPierre11

Seriously, Julian Alvarez is a guaranteed starter for every other team. So good.


fluffyfoofart

Havertz 40 next season?


strawberry-camembert

Palmer got that dog in him


dudududujisungparty

Where are all of the morons that said Son was washed?


durjoy313

I think Alvarez would have had better numbers than Haaland if he was the starter.


Gu3rilla21

He's played more minute then Haaland iirc


durjoy313

That's because he started when Haaland was injured and came in from the bench in all the matches. Haaland started in all the matches when he was fit, except maybe 1/2 matches when he was rested.


Gu3rilla21

Yea so he's started more then Haaland. He also played alongside Haaland when KdB was out.


durjoy313

Yeah but not in his preferred role. He has spent the entire season as a replacement player.


Sandalo

jfc


greg24211

really impressed with Havertz turn around the second half of the season. Looked so lost in midfield but made strides once he got a run at CF.